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Obama birth certificate fraud
billie
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. - XIV Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
One of the person's parents was a US citizen when the person in question was born;
The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth; and
At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
In addition, in 2000, Congress passed the Child Citizenship Act (CCA) which allows any child under the age of 18 who is adopted by a U.S. citizen and immigrates to the United States to acquire immediate citizenship.
link for a citizen to be 'naturalized' does not mean that they were 'naturally born' (i.e. born in the land.) It means that they went through a process of becoming a citizen, and is not to be confused with the term 'natural born' as used in the requirements for President or VP.
Barack Hussein Obama born 4 August 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii (became a state in Aug 1959,) to Barack Obama, Sr., a black Kenyan of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, a white American from Wichita, Kansas. Separating three years later (1963) then in 1966 Dunham married Lolo Soetoro a black Indonesian, and the family moved to Soetoro's home country of Indonesia in 1967, where Obama attended local schools in Jakarta until he was ten years old (1971.) Divorced again 1980.
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For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
One of the person's parents was a US citizen when the person in question was born;
The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth; and
At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
Expo facto
Its pretty damning for the campaign if its true. However, that part of the article doesn't really say anything at all about the issue.
An Isreali forensics investigator examined the document for forgery. Its security border had no known similiarities to specimens of the time period the document should have been printed. He also claims that the document shows obvious forgery marks like Photoshop aftermarks, and ink runoff.
So they're saying he isn't technically a US citizen?
The sauce thickens. After the thousands of liberal or libertarian conspiracy nuts, finally a conservative conspiracy nut.
Unfortunately, following that criteria, neither is John McCain, and neither was Barry Goldwater when he ran for President.
Also, in Billie's law cite, she states the year as 1986. Obama was born before 1986, there is no indication that the law was made retro-actice.
I gotta say, barak obama is the strangest guy i have ever heared of thats run for president.
that man would not be anywhere if it werent for his dynamite speech at the DNC in 04? but so goes the nature of politics, to move the crowd by any means neccessary.
-I will subtlety invade your psyche-
John McCain came over on the Mayflower, is he a 'legal' citizen?
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Obama is a result of immaculate conception don't you know? He is gonna save us all.
McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station[3] in the Panama Canal Zone to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). At that time, the Panama Canal was under American control, and the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone.
This makes McCain a natural born U.S citizen.
And the fact the law was made to read on or after the date in 1986 means anyone born before then would not qualify as a naturalized citizen. So I think Mr. Obama may be running into some trouble with this.
nvm didnt see Zorvans post.
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McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station[3] in the Panama Canal Zone to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). At that time, the Panama Canal was under American control, and the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone.
This makes McCain a natural born U.S citizen.
And the fact the law was made to read on or after the date in 1986 means anyone born before then would not qualify as a naturalized citizen. So I think Mr. Obama may be running into some trouble with this.
Send him back to Mexico!
damn illegals, doing jobs americans wont do...such as pissing on the soldiers he stabbed in the back not too long ago.
punk.
-I will subtlety invade your psyche-
McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station[3] in the Panama Canal Zone to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). At that time, the Panama Canal was under American control, and the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone.
This makes McCain a natural born U.S citizen.
And the fact the law was made to read on or after the date in 1986 means anyone born before then would not qualify as a naturalized citizen. So I think Mr. Obama may be running into some trouble with this.
Send him back to Mexico!
damn illegals, doing jobs americans wont do...such as pissing on the soldiers he stabbed in the back not too long ago.
punk.
Panama is not in Mexico, no more than Costa Rica or Columbia, which Panama borders.
I don`t know? how desperate are you , this is a joke right?. Go to the park or go and watch a movie ,plese this topic is way to pathetic.
Not pathetic at all. If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he cannot be President. Them's the rules, baby.
McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station[3] in the Panama Canal Zone to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). At that time, the Panama Canal was under American control, and the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone.
This makes McCain a natural born U.S citizen.
And the fact the law was made to read on or after the date in 1986 means anyone born before then would not qualify as a naturalized citizen. So I think Mr. Obama may be running into some trouble with this.
Incorrect. Laws take effect on the date they are passed and are retro-active only if specifically stated in the law.
For example, if Texas were to pass a law that states it is illegal to have sex with a minor, and a person has had sex with minors prior to the passage of the law, Child Protective Services could not take legal action against, say a religious cult, for having sex with minors before passage of the law. CPS could only take enforcement action for activities which would have occurred after the change in the law.
Also, the statute is very specific, McCain was not born in a State, and neither his father, nor his mother, would meet the 5 year test because he was deployed to a foreign country.
Barry Goldwater, likewise, was born in the Arizona Territory. Arizona did not become a State until after his birth.
McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station[3] in the Panama Canal Zone to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). At that time, the Panama Canal was under American control, and the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone.
This makes McCain a natural born U.S citizen.
And the fact the law was made to read on or after the date in 1986 means anyone born before then would not qualify as a naturalized citizen. So I think Mr. Obama may be running into some trouble with this.
Incorrect. Laws take effect on the date they are passed and are retro-active only if specifically stated in the law.
For example, if Texas were to pass a law that states it is illegal to have sex with a minor, and a person has had sex with minors prior to the passage of the law, Child Protective Services could not take legal action against, say a religious cult, for having sex with minors before passage of the law. CPS could only take enforcement action for activities which would have occurred after the change in the law.
Also, the statute is very specific, McCain was not born in a State, and neither his father, nor his mother, would meet the 5 year test because he was deployed to a foreign country.
Barry Goldwater, likewise, was born in the Arizona Territory. Arizona did not become a State until after his birth.
Last time I checked, children born on a U.S. military base were considered to be born on U.S. soil.
As for Obama, the law doesn't need to be retroactive. Before the law, he would not count as a natural born citizen, and after the law he STILL would not count as a natural born citizen. Naturalized, maybe. But naturalized citizens are inelligible for the Presidency.
McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station[3] in the Panama Canal Zone to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). At that time, the Panama Canal was under American control, and the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone.
This makes McCain a natural born U.S citizen.
And the fact the law was made to read on or after the date in 1986 means anyone born before then would not qualify as a naturalized citizen. So I think Mr. Obama may be running into some trouble with this.
Incorrect. Laws take effect on the date they are passed and are retro-active only if specifically stated in the law.
For example, if Texas were to pass a law that states it is illegal to have sex with a minor, and a person has had sex with minors prior to the passage of the law, Child Protective Services could not take legal action against, say a religious cult, for having sex with minors before passage of the law. CPS could only take enforcement action for activities which would have occurred after the change in the law.
Also, the statute is very specific, McCain was not born in a State, and neither his father, nor his mother, would meet the 5 year test because he was deployed to a foreign country.
Barry Goldwater, likewise, was born in the Arizona Territory. Arizona did not become a State until after his birth.
Last time I checked, children born on a U.S. military base were considered to be born on U.S. soil.
As for Obama, the law doesn't need to be retroactive. Before the law, he would not count as a natural born citizen, and after the law he STILL would not count as a natural born citizen. Naturalized, maybe. But naturalized citizens are inelligible for the Presidency.
Any child born to service personal overseas is considered a U.S. Citizen born abroad. It does not need to be on a base.
How do I know? I was born in Frankfurt Germany in 1968 to 2 Americans who were stationed overseas. I am a full citizen. My son was born in Germany in a German hospital. He is a full American with a birth certificate and US passport.
I am currently a US government employee who works for the US Army but enjoy full SOFA protections like any other service member. I also served many years in the US Army. US citizens being born abroad is very commonplace here, thousands a year at least in Germany alone. There are no US Army hospitals out here near us, only German. Soil or territory is irrelevant when the child of a US citizan is born in service of their government they are automatically without question, citizens.
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Obama's mother was an American therefore he is automatically an American.
Not pathetic at all. If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he cannot be President. Them's the rules, baby.
And you really think deep down that the people voting for him care? Do you really think if he gets in this will make a difference? come on listen to yourself/? it`s desperate and quite pathetic to think this will make a blind bit of difference other than to people like you and the "raspberry i don`t no what haze is" plus the op?
His mum is an American so what have you got to say about that? Ill say it again "this thread and the people falling for it are pathetic" You don`t like Obama for whatever reason(i could guess) so any little thing you can jump on you are all over it?
It`s getting embarrassing to say the least.
Dream on
Not pathetic at all. If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he cannot be President. Them's the rules, baby.
And you really think deep down that the people voting for him care? Do you really think if he gets in this will make a difference? come on listen to yourself/? it`s desperate and quite pathetic to think this will make a blind bit of difference other than to people like you and the "raspberry i don`t no what haze is" plus the op?
Dream on
His mother was American, that makes him an American. Conspiricy over.
OP may want to check his facts before he starts basic nonsense like this next time. The internet is a wonderful tool IF yo use it.
If it turns out to be true that his birth certificate is fraudulant and he is not a natural born citizen, it doesn't matter if those who vote for him care. He will automatically be disqualified. And as I've explained, to the best of my knowledge his mother being American does not make him automatically an American also.
Any child born to service personal overseas is considered a U.S. Citizen born abroad. It does not need to be on a base.
How do I know? I was born in Frankfurt Germany in 1968 to 2 Americans who were stationed overseas. I am a full citizen. My son was born in Germany in a German hospital. He is a full American with a birth certificate and US passport.
I am currently a US government employee who works for the US Army but enjoy full SOFA protections like any other service member. I also served many years in the US Army. US citizens being born abroad is very commonplace here, thousands a year at least in Germany alone. There are no US Army hospitals out here near us, only German. Soil or territory is irrelevant when the child of a US citizan is born in service of their government they are automatically without question, citizens.
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Obama's mother was an American therefore he is automatically an American.
The part regarding being born on a base was in regards to McCain. And yes, we are both correct in that he is an American citizen.
On the topic of Obama, his mnother being American does not automatically make him an American citizen. For one, she was living in Kenya with his father. He was born in Kenya, and grew up in Kenya until his early teens. For another, we can use the same example used to declare mcCain a citizen by being born on a U.S. military base to declare Obama not a citizen even though his mother is ( and that's assuming she didn't give up her U.S. citizenship ). Look at the Vietnam and Korean wars, for example. Hundreds of children were produced by U.S. soldiers taking up with locals. However, even though one parent was an American, the child was not. If one of your parents had not been American and neither had been in the military stationed there at the time, Torak, your citizenship would have been different as well.
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The requirements for citizenship and the very definition thereof have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."[8][9]
The Fourteenth Amendment mentions two types of citizenship: citizenship by birth and citizenship by law (naturalized citizens): "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401. There is some debate over whether persons who were born US citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under U.S. law should also be considered citizens "by birth," or whether they should all be considered to be "naturalized." There is also some debate over whether there is a meaningful legal distinction between citizens "at birth" and citizens "by birth" since U.S. law makes no such distinction, nor does the Fourteenth Amendment use the term "at birth." Current U.S. statutes define certain individuals born overseas as "citizens at birth."[10] One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. According to this view, in order to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States; otherwise, he is a citizen "by law" and is therefore "naturalized."[11] Current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."[12] However, this does not affect those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for citizenship at birth.[13S "
Now, if current State Department policy reflects the policy back then, even our assumptions of being born on a military base equaling citizenship are wrong. However, McCain had two U.S. citizens as parents, so he would be a U.S. citizen born abroad, the same as yourself, Torak. And according to the policy set forth by the 14th amendment even before current policy, the mother being a citizen would have had no effect. Both parents would have had to be American. Obama doesn't fit the bill.
You forgot a very important detail here: This is the rule for children born abroad to one US citizen.
Hawaii was part of the U. S. in 1961. Hence above rule does not apply.
Newborn children born in the U. S. gain automatically U. S. citizenship (only controversy on this is if the parents are illegal aliens).
You forgot a very important detail here: This is the rule for children born abroad to one US citizen.
Hawaii was part of the U. S. in 1961. Hence above rule does not apply.
Newborn children born in the U. S. gain automatically U. S. citizenship (only controversy on this is if the parents are illegal aliens).
Correct. And had Obama been born after November 14, 1986, it would have made him a citizen.
Unless you're meaning in regards to McCain, then you're correct that the rule wouldn't have effected him regardless, since both his parents were American citizens.
Don't you think someone, especially a political rival, would have come up with that if it where an issue? You are not going to honestly tell me that us rocket scientist here on mmorpg.com are the first ones to come up with this?
I seriously doubt that it is even remotely close to being an issue.
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I agree that it would or should have been picked up, and it still might. As I said earlier, it depends on whether the birth certificate is indeed fraudulant. I am only basing my argumaents on what the effects will be IF that is indeed proven true. I am not saying that it is true.
I agree that it would or should have been picked up, and it still might. As I said earlier, it depends on whether the birth certificate is indeed fraudulant. I am only basing my argumaents on what the effects will be IF that is indeed proven true. I am not saying that it is true.
You sound very desperate for this to be right..lol. Why don`t you write to your local paper or government official and see if he can look into it for you? sound dumb don`t it?
Get real man and listen to yourself? your hate is consuming you, it really is. Do you really think this has not been checked out? or is the all knowing zorvan the only person who can get to the bottom of this.
I would give up because you are just mugging yourself off.
You can find his Birth Certificate here-----> LINK
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