if theres only 40 character lvls in the game, wont some hardcore player reach 40 in like a weeks time? i mean theres some games out there that take a while to lvl but still ppl get to the cap way to fast. i hope this isnt the case with WAR. If it is its going to be quite lame since ppl with have like 20 max lvl alts within half a year
QFT Looks like many don`t get it...like many has stated previously this game is not about powerleveling the PvE content to then do endless PvE raiding.You will have to level your guild,level your city/realm.The way to city sieging will be very long and besides don`t expect to have sieges every day or every week as it will take a lot of coordinated work through alliances to achieve it.Both PvE and RvR-PvP will contribute to level your guild/realm and city.
Not a siege every week.... ))
So much like Conan you "work" hard every day to gather the ever returning quests to do the reconquering of the City you already conquered before ....
and then finally ... after weeks .... comes the final battle hopefully... you''ll win/loose in X minutes or even an hour.
And after this "final" hour of extreme orgasm... they push the button and everything is reset and you can all grind for weeks again and do exactly the same thing all over again.
How exciting.
I can have world PvP sieges and D-day invasions every day in WotLK. With air land sea and manned combat tanks btw.
Choices ... and FUN of different playing styles it's called.
Just one question: HOW many players in Conan still do these "hard and long" roads to the 1 Hour siege battle system?
A lot of Conan servers are even dead in this so called hard-working famous siege end game (just like that other RvR DAoC already was 3 years ago btw).
So much like WoW you "work" hard every day to gather the ever returning consumables to do the reconquering of the Instance you already conquered before .... and then finally ... after weeks .... comes the final battle hopefully... you''ll win/loose in X minutes or even an hour. And after this "final" hour of extreme orgasm... they push the button and everything is reset and you can all grind for weeks again and do exactly the same thing all over again. How exciting.
When arguing Vick - use arguments that are specific for your battle if you want to prove the point. As you can see above very statements you make 1) Grind, 2) Repetition and 3) Short ending is valid for most of WoW features as well.
I do not really know why I feed you since your posts (with regard to WAR): Are non-informed, illogical, trolling and hence, non-intelligent.
These days I think players racing to max level is a given. It seems tons of players would rather be the first to this and that than to sit back and actually enjoy the game. It's a shame but I think it is something that we will just have to live with in whatever game we will be playing.
That doesn't really make much sense. How do you know they aren't enjoying the game? Why would they be playing it, if they aren't enjoying it? The could be enjoying racing to the cap even more than you enjoy not racing to the cap.
QFT Looks like many don`t get it...like many has stated previously this game is not about powerleveling the PvE content to then do endless PvE raiding.You will have to level your guild,level your city/realm.The way to city sieging will be very long and besides don`t expect to have sieges every day or every week as it will take a lot of coordinated work through alliances to achieve it.Both PvE and RvR-PvP will contribute to level your guild/realm and city.
Not a siege every week.... ))
So much like Conan you "work" hard every day to gather the ever returning quests to do the reconquering of the City you already conquered before ....
and then finally ... after weeks .... comes the final battle hopefully... you''ll win/loose in X minutes or even an hour.
And after this "final" hour of extreme orgasm... they push the button and everything is reset and you can all grind for weeks again and do exactly the same thing all over again.
How exciting.
I can have world PvP sieges and D-day invasions every day in WotLK. With air land sea and manned combat tanks btw.
Choices ... and FUN of different playing styles it's called.
Just one question: HOW many players in Conan still do these "hard and long" roads to the 1 Hour siege battle system?
A lot of Conan servers are even dead in this so called hard-working famous siege end game (just like that other RvR DAoC already was 3 years ago btw).
All Blizzard attemp to bring open PvP to World of Warcraft have failed so far. Why do you think they will susseced this time?, with the addition of a single dedicated PvP zone, ( Lake Wintergas or something) to the open world. When Patch 1.12 hit, the Eastern Plaguelands and Silithus have special PvP related goals. But after a couple of weeks people got bored of this.
if theres only 40 character lvls in the game, wont some hardcore player reach 40 in like a weeks time? i mean theres some games out there that take a while to lvl but still ppl get to the cap way to fast. i hope this isnt the case with WAR. If it is its going to be quite lame since ppl with have like 20 max lvl alts within half a year
I doubt you've been following WAR too closely by the look of your post. There are 3 different ways to play WAR, RvR, PvP, and PvE. Not to mention the crafting element. All three levels will take a great deal of investment to truley max. Your number of level that you are talking about is not as signficant as you may feel it is, as seen in WoW, AoC, or EQ2.
Of course hardcore players will level fast. So what if they do, maybe they enjoy power playing, but that doesn't necessarily mean they hold a huge advantage over others, atleast in the sense of RvR. I understand your concern, but if you were currently involved in the beta or followed WAR a bit more closely you would see that it isn't as big of a concern as you feel it is. WAR isn't about levels, it's about fun. I can't do it justice by explaining so I guess you'll just have to see for yourself.
regarding 40 character levels, its not like thats permanant, look at EQ, EQ2, and WoW. They all added more levels later on wityh expansions and such, many other games have too. Also ive seen other posts on this topic about the time it'll take, yeah it'll take awhile to get to 40 anywho so no worries
I remeber Paul stated in a interview or podcast or something, that it would take a "average casual player" 4-6 months to get to lvl40. If we think a bit about what it means to be casual, my guess would be that its 1-2 hours a day. since most mmo players plays a bit more than that, i would guess its gonna take half the time - 2-3 months. thats not bad.. its not specially fast or slow. then you start getting renown ranks, gear, tome unlocks, getting stuff for t4 keep siege, and first then, the real rvr starts. and rvr... cant really be there if not enough ppl has done all that. i doubt that you will see any real sige befor 3-4 months, and at that point ppl are still trying to get gear and stuff for city siege, some ppl wants their guild to lvl, some might spend more time getting their maincity to a higher lvl etc etc etc....
I find it strange and sad to read that fans of an upcoming game are telling others to not play it ("stick with WoW") just because they have other motivations in a game than themselves. Do you not want the game to get as many players as possible so as to be more successful? Thank goodness the vast majority of people who'd consider playing WAR (and any other MMOG) doesn't read forums such as these.
I think it's a good guess that much of the delay of WAR through the development period is due to the need to add more PvE content to have a chance of attracting numbers that are acceptable for the investments done. PvP alone doesn't attract enough money - sorry. So please don't turn the PvEers away. Their money is the bigger part of the resources that goes into making the game you wait for.
As for the time to level, the "average player" plays about 20 hours per week. I'm guessing this is what they'd call an "average casual player" when speaking to the active/hardcore players (who actually bother with podcasts and such). The hardcore ones play 80+ hours per week (in stints - levelling, exploring new content, new PvP/ladder seasons; 100+ per week), so those 4-6 months will be less than 4-6 weeks for them. My guess is 15 days for the first level 40. And I'm being conservative now.
But that's just a novelty topic, really. If everybody will just focus on having fun - preferably so much they don't see me swinging my sword at their back - we'll all be much better off. ;-)
I won't discuss the actual leveling pace but having 40 levels doesn't really mean anything in the first place. 40 levels at EQ rates is much different than 40 levels at AOC rates, so the number itself is meaningless.
Generally speaking the more levels you release with the crappier the game is imo. Gear and abilities and mobs all naturally scale with levels so if you are blowing through a lot of levels quickly it just trivializes everything. In a game like AoC you could care less about gear or anything as you level up because it just gets replaced instantly anyway. In a game like EQ it actually was worth trying to keep your character powerful as you leveled.
I can have world PvP sieges and D-day invasions every day in WotLK. With air land sea and manned combat tanks btw.
Sorry for feeding the trolls but i have to comment on this sentence...
that is EXACTLY the point vick.. YOU will get to 80 in a month, then grind the same map for 2-3 more months... and then you'll go "um... i need something new"...
US on the other hand will spend 2-3 months enjoying a NEW GAME and getting to lvl 40 while getting some pvp ranks in the process, then we'll spend 2-3 more months getting the first siege ready... and in 4-6 months... we'll go "this is AWESOME!" and then we'll go back to enjoying a whole new world going PQ and scenarios that are different so we can do it again )
I just had to point that out... even tho you'll prolly disagree but you know what they say about arguing on the internet ^^
40 character lvls is only the tip of the iceberg. a lvl 40 is still nothing if they don't have a high renown rank. I figure if its anything like realm ranks in DaoC then it'll be a long time before we see RR80s
40 character lvls is only the tip of the iceberg. a lvl 40 is still nothing if they don't have a high renown rank. I figure if its anything like realm ranks in DaoC then it'll be a long time before we see RR80s
40 character lvls is only the tip of the iceberg. a lvl 40 is still nothing if they don't have a high renown rank. I figure if its anything like realm ranks in DaoC then it'll be a long time before we see RR80s
RR80s?
Renown Rank 80.
That's parallel XP that you get only through PvP... while regular XP is gained through both PvE and PvP.
While regular xp levels are supposed to go pretty fast, renown will take quite some time to max out.
if theres only 40 character lvls in the game, wont some hardcore player reach 40 in like a weeks time? i mean theres some games out there that take a while to lvl but still ppl get to the cap way to fast. i hope this isnt the case with WAR. If it is its going to be quite lame since ppl with have like 20 max lvl alts within half a year
There wont be anyone to do PQ's with if they rush like that.
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Not a siege every week....
))
So much like Conan you "work" hard every day to gather the ever returning quests to do the reconquering of the City you already conquered before ....
and then finally ... after weeks .... comes the final battle hopefully... you''ll win/loose in X minutes or even an hour.
And after this "final" hour of extreme orgasm... they push the button and everything is reset and you can all grind for weeks again and do exactly the same thing all over again.
How exciting.
I can have world PvP sieges and D-day invasions every day in WotLK. With air land sea and manned combat tanks btw.
Choices ... and FUN of different playing styles it's called.
Just one question: HOW many players in Conan still do these "hard and long" roads to the 1 Hour siege battle system?
A lot of Conan servers are even dead in this so called hard-working famous siege end game (just like that other RvR DAoC already was 3 years ago btw).
When arguing Vick - use arguments that are specific for your battle if you want to prove the point. As you can see above very statements you make 1) Grind, 2) Repetition and 3) Short ending is valid for most of WoW features as well.
I do not really know why I feed you since your posts (with regard to WAR): Are non-informed, illogical, trolling and hence, non-intelligent.
That doesn't really make much sense. How do you know they aren't enjoying the game? Why would they be playing it, if they aren't enjoying it? The could be enjoying racing to the cap even more than you enjoy not racing to the cap.
Doing BG's every day does not get repetative and that "OMFG" D-DAY BG THAT WILL BE THE GREASTEST THING EVER" won't get old in the first month.
Not a siege every week....
))
So much like Conan you "work" hard every day to gather the ever returning quests to do the reconquering of the City you already conquered before ....
and then finally ... after weeks .... comes the final battle hopefully... you''ll win/loose in X minutes or even an hour.
And after this "final" hour of extreme orgasm... they push the button and everything is reset and you can all grind for weeks again and do exactly the same thing all over again.
How exciting.
I can have world PvP sieges and D-day invasions every day in WotLK. With air land sea and manned combat tanks btw.
Choices ... and FUN of different playing styles it's called.
Just one question: HOW many players in Conan still do these "hard and long" roads to the 1 Hour siege battle system?
A lot of Conan servers are even dead in this so called hard-working famous siege end game (just like that other RvR DAoC already was 3 years ago btw).
All Blizzard attemp to bring open PvP to World of Warcraft have failed so far. Why do you think they will susseced this time?, with the addition of a single dedicated PvP zone, ( Lake Wintergas or something) to the open world. When Patch 1.12 hit, the Eastern Plaguelands and Silithus have special PvP related goals. But after a couple of weeks people got bored of this.
I doubt you've been following WAR too closely by the look of your post. There are 3 different ways to play WAR, RvR, PvP, and PvE. Not to mention the crafting element. All three levels will take a great deal of investment to truley max. Your number of level that you are talking about is not as signficant as you may feel it is, as seen in WoW, AoC, or EQ2.
Of course hardcore players will level fast. So what if they do, maybe they enjoy power playing, but that doesn't necessarily mean they hold a huge advantage over others, atleast in the sense of RvR. I understand your concern, but if you were currently involved in the beta or followed WAR a bit more closely you would see that it isn't as big of a concern as you feel it is. WAR isn't about levels, it's about fun. I can't do it justice by explaining so I guess you'll just have to see for yourself.
war was ment to be a pvp game from the start if you want raids and epix stick with wow you wont get that here
PvP != RvR.
regarding 40 character levels, its not like thats permanant, look at EQ, EQ2, and WoW. They all added more levels later on wityh expansions and such, many other games have too. Also ive seen other posts on this topic about the time it'll take, yeah it'll take awhile to get to 40 anywho so no worries
I remeber Paul stated in a interview or podcast or something, that it would take a "average casual player" 4-6 months to get to lvl40. If we think a bit about what it means to be casual, my guess would be that its 1-2 hours a day. since most mmo players plays a bit more than that, i would guess its gonna take half the time - 2-3 months. thats not bad.. its not specially fast or slow. then you start getting renown ranks, gear, tome unlocks, getting stuff for t4 keep siege, and first then, the real rvr starts. and rvr... cant really be there if not enough ppl has done all that. i doubt that you will see any real sige befor 3-4 months, and at that point ppl are still trying to get gear and stuff for city siege, some ppl wants their guild to lvl, some might spend more time getting their maincity to a higher lvl etc etc etc....
I find it strange and sad to read that fans of an upcoming game are telling others to not play it ("stick with WoW") just because they have other motivations in a game than themselves. Do you not want the game to get as many players as possible so as to be more successful? Thank goodness the vast majority of people who'd consider playing WAR (and any other MMOG) doesn't read forums such as these.
I think it's a good guess that much of the delay of WAR through the development period is due to the need to add more PvE content to have a chance of attracting numbers that are acceptable for the investments done. PvP alone doesn't attract enough money - sorry. So please don't turn the PvEers away. Their money is the bigger part of the resources that goes into making the game you wait for.
As for the time to level, the "average player" plays about 20 hours per week. I'm guessing this is what they'd call an "average casual player" when speaking to the active/hardcore players (who actually bother with podcasts and such). The hardcore ones play 80+ hours per week (in stints - levelling, exploring new content, new PvP/ladder seasons; 100+ per week), so those 4-6 months will be less than 4-6 weeks for them. My guess is 15 days for the first level 40. And I'm being conservative now.
But that's just a novelty topic, really. If everybody will just focus on having fun - preferably so much they don't see me swinging my sword at their back - we'll all be much better off. ;-)
I won't discuss the actual leveling pace but having 40 levels doesn't really mean anything in the first place. 40 levels at EQ rates is much different than 40 levels at AOC rates, so the number itself is meaningless.
Generally speaking the more levels you release with the crappier the game is imo. Gear and abilities and mobs all naturally scale with levels so if you are blowing through a lot of levels quickly it just trivializes everything. In a game like AoC you could care less about gear or anything as you level up because it just gets replaced instantly anyway. In a game like EQ it actually was worth trying to keep your character powerful as you leveled.
Sorry for feeding the trolls but i have to comment on this sentence...
that is EXACTLY the point vick.. YOU will get to 80 in a month, then grind the same map for 2-3 more months... and then you'll go "um... i need something new"...
US on the other hand will spend 2-3 months enjoying a NEW GAME and getting to lvl 40 while getting some pvp ranks in the process, then we'll spend 2-3 more months getting the first siege ready... and in 4-6 months... we'll go "this is AWESOME!" and then we'll go back to enjoying a whole new world going PQ and scenarios that are different so we can do it again
)
I just had to point that out... even tho you'll prolly disagree but you know what they say about arguing on the internet ^^
40 character lvls is only the tip of the iceberg. a lvl 40 is still nothing if they don't have a high renown rank. I figure if its anything like realm ranks in DaoC then it'll be a long time before we see RR80s
RR80s?
RR80s?
Renown Rank 80.
That's parallel XP that you get only through PvP... while regular XP is gained through both PvE and PvP.
While regular xp levels are supposed to go pretty fast, renown will take quite some time to max out.
There wont be anyone to do PQ's with if they rush like that.
another question i have unrelated is what is the day cycle in the game? real time?