Originally posted by BodyBuilder I have forgiven them. It's time to let SWG. People need to stop living in the past. You can't live in the past if you expect the world to move forward... We had our time, we have our memories, and that is what they will be... memories. Can't this poor dead horse be left alone already?! How many billions of threads must be made about the same topic??!?!?!
the only thing me and 250k of my friends believe is $OE owes us a pre-cu game and if they don't make it bioware better.
or we will kill kotor online just like we did to the nge.
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
I have forgiven them. It's time to let SWG. People need to stop living in the past.
You can't live in the past if you expect the world to move forward... We had our time, we have our memories, and that is what they will be... memories.
Can't this poor dead horse be left alone already?! How many billions of threads must be made about the same topic??!?!?!
NEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QFT! And quote just to keep on beating!!! YEEEEEEEHAW!
Originally posted by Obee Originally posted by Bane82
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Originally posted by darwa
Originally posted by Obee
Originally posted by darwa
/yawn Don't blame SOE for something LucasArts made them do.
LEC didn't force SOE to implement the NGE, they allowed them to do it. The NGE was concieved by the SOE development team, and LEC approved its implementation.
Wrong.
Sorry, the folks who were involved in creating the abortion known as the NGE have said who instigated it. It was SOE's baby. There was no directive from LEC that forced SOE to implement the NGE.
Yep, good ole Dan "OM NOM NOM NOM" Rubenfield admitted it already, sorry, but having him said that, he can't really go back and contradict himself.
For some reason, the leak by EA's CEO about Bioware's MMO has cause a large increase in the "LucasArts forced SOE to do it!" canard, and the lesser used, but just as false, "It was the players' fault!" explanations for the genisis of the NGE.
Well yeah, think about it, at this point, SOE's reputation has been tarnished so much, they're trying to save face as much as they can, especially considering that not only will they end up loosing the SW license, but also if they don't do something to save SOME of their reputation, then their upcoming MMO's (the Agencey and DC U and Free Realms) will obvisouly bomb, so at this point they're just trying to receover as much as they can so that they're upcoming games don't bomb as bad. Unfortunately for them though, it won't do a lick of good. Their tarnished reputation goes beyond what they did to SWG, it's also due to how they behave as a company, and I don't think enough people will end up buying their PR crap to try their games.
the only thing me and 250k of my friends believe is $OE owes us a pre-cu game and if they don't make it bioware better.
or we will kill kotor online just like we did to the nge.
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
you know obee i used to respect you and fisher
now the 2 of you are showing that you 2 are just fanbois who don't want pre-cu back and would rather talk about how to make the nge better or kotor online if it ends up being a level based borefest
if anyone wants pre-cu back now is the time to run the fanbois off the forums along with there fanbot masters. if you want cool pvp and jedi back then support us true vets in getting our game back.
The topic isn't really a dead horse, since all the dysfunction at SOE that caused the NGE is still present.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
the only thing me and 250k of my friends believe is $OE owes us a pre-cu game and if they don't make it bioware better.
or we will kill kotor online just like we did to the nge.
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
you know obee i used to respect you and fisher
now the 2 of you are showing that you 2 are just fanbois who don't want pre-cu back and would rather talk about how to make the nge better or kotor online if it ends up being a level based borefest
if anyone wants pre-cu back now is the time to run the fanbois off the forums along with there fanbot masters. if you want cool pvp and jedi back then support us true vets in getting our game back.
The NGE can't be made better (it is limited by thye horrible core game, it can't even be made 'not bad') and I wouldn't go back to an SOE ran pre-CU server since I won't pay for any product that SOE earns revenue from. I just realize that Bioware's game is going to resemble Bioware's other game much more than it resembles pre-CU SWG. Considering I enjoy Bioware's other games, I don't have much of a problem with it.
If Bioware does incorporate some sandbox elements I'll be pleasantly surprised. I just don't feel that Bioware has to make up for SOE's mistakes. Hell, most of the ex-SWG developers at Bioware left SOE because SOE was making those mistakes.
The topic isn't really a dead horse, since all the dysfunction at SOE that caused the NGE is still present.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
What else is there to do? DEAL!
The NGE was just the result of a larger problem with SOE. I don't view the discussion over what was done to SWG as the entire conversation.
the only thing me and 250k of my friends believe is $OE owes us a pre-cu game and if they don't make it bioware better.
or we will kill kotor online just like we did to the nge.
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
you know obee i used to respect you and fisher
now the 2 of you are showing that you 2 are just fanbois who don't want pre-cu back and would rather talk about how to make the nge better or kotor online if it ends up being a level based borefest
if anyone wants pre-cu back now is the time to run the fanbois off the forums along with there fanbot masters. if you want cool pvp and jedi back then support us true vets in getting our game back.
The NGE can't be made better (it is limited by thye horrible core game, it can't even be made 'not bad') and I wouldn't go back to an SOE ran pre-CU server since I won't pay for any product that SOE earns revenue from. I just realize that Bioware's game is going to resemble Bioware's other game much more than it resembles pre-CU SWG. Considering I enjoy Bioware's other games, I don't have much of a problem with it.
If Bioware does incorporate some sandbox elements I'll be pleasantly surprised. I just don't feel that Bioware has to make up for SOE's mistakes. Hell, most of the ex-SWG developers at Bioware left SOE because SOE was making those mistakes.
bioware has made some crappy games over the last few years
kotor needed a sandbox skill system not the level borefest that was in it same with jade empire. and mass effect was a lame fps game that was the nge of rpg titles. also coming out with it on a system like the lamebox 360 was a bad move as well.
bioware owes us la owes us and $OE owes us. this game should be pre-cu for those of us who got screwed by $OE.
Everyone should just stop trying to tell or post crap about bioware having to make up for SoE. Bioware is a different company and knows how to make a video game the only thing Soe and Bioware have in common is that they both have made a video game in the star wars universe. period. and anyone who wants to hold bioware somehow responsible for NGE should go and actually play swg and realize that the game still sucks and bioware didnt do that, SoE did.
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This probably is old news, but as of today you still have the mass of haters of SoE for SWG. Now lets just get everything straight here SoE created SWG an amazing game way back in pre CU and CU. Of course though every game has it's whinners and people whined about the game like why are jedi so powerful or we want to be jedi! or all that crap about jedi. So what did SoE do, they actually listened to their customers who were whinning and created the NGE right? well the people who worked hard as hell in swg pre CU and CU were screwed. Of course NGE wanted to give them something for their hard work l=so they gave them vet rewards, elder cloak and a title, but that wasn't enough for some of the elders, ya of course almost everyone missed pre CU and CU but there were some elders who were uterly pissed( do you blame them?) So now SoE has this game called SWG right? still full of bugs and on the other hand they have a huge mass of people quit the game, others just hating and hating on them and they have a choice to make, we either try and get those customers to come back by adding more content or we work on the bugs and risk losing even more people because they're busy working on the games bugs and not the content. Well they probably needed the money of the customers so they can continue the game so they went to the customers. They added content on the game and have been trying to increase they're player base ever since. Ya, they've gotten some the player base back but they still have a game full of bugs. So SoE is pretty much screwed. Now if it was up to me I would open up two types of servers, a CU and a current one. SoE has been working on SWG though and they have made it a little better but lots of people just aren't satisfied with what they have been doing. So how much people still aren't satisfied with what they are trying to do to help the gamers and actually tried looking at it from both sides of the story? Go ahead and post what you think about the subject or atleast vote on the poll. Now i'm not on anyone's side but I don't like the NGE and I prefer CU or pre NGE atleast. Also post what you think about what SoE is doing with swg today.
The NGE was what the players wanted .They showed this by leaving the game and depleting subs.Many players expressed there concern with game ideas and asked for some kind of change,especially one that made some things easier.
The few core players that started all the SOE hate from the NGE are the real ones to blame.The rest of the players that wanted the change can lay blame and wonder if they should ever forgive the others who mocked NGE.Those others started such a ruckus they drove the game further into obscurity by spreading rumours and flaming forums.Eventually there removed subs and BS in the forums had everyone wanting to leave.That kind of stuff would make any game community lose subs and ruin any chance of new players wanting to join such a ruckus.
SOE could have just left the game alone and let subs continue to fall.This way those same lamers could rant in the forums that SOE did nothing,so once again it would be there fault.
OR....they could have accepted changes realizing it was an attempt to reclaim a dwindling sub base and hope for the best.
This whole fiascal would be exactly like SOE now offering the complete game to returnees for free[EQ2].The vets who paid for all the expansions could whine and complain because others are getting it for free,but the reality is EQ2 is dying badly and it is best for the game.That is just common sense unless you would rather a game dies or the servers are empty,as long as you got your own way and the game is the way you wanted it to be.This the feeling i get from the NGE whiners,they would have rather had the game die or play on empty servers.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The topic isn't really a dead horse, since all the dysfunction at SOE that caused the NGE is still present.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
What else is there to do? DEAL!
The NGE was just the result of a larger problem with SOE. I don't view the discussion over what was done to SWG as the entire conversation.
oh i dealt with it long ago. i no longer play mmos. i refuse to give money to companies that make the same old sh*t. i do have hope that better days are on the horizon though in titles like fallen earth and earthrise.
This probably is old news, but as of today you still have the mass of haters of SoE for SWG. Now lets just get everything straight here SoE created SWG an amazing game way back in pre CU and CU. Of course though every game has it's whinners and people whined about the game like why are jedi so powerful or we want to be jedi! or all that crap about jedi. So what did SoE do, they actually listened to their customers who were whinning and created the NGE right? well the people who worked hard as hell in swg pre CU and CU were screwed. Of course NGE wanted to give them something for their hard work l=so they gave them vet rewards, elder cloak and a title, but that wasn't enough for some of the elders, ya of course almost everyone missed pre CU and CU but there were some elders who were uterly pissed( do you blame them?) So now SoE has this game called SWG right? still full of bugs and on the other hand they have a huge mass of people quit the game, others just hating and hating on them and they have a choice to make, we either try and get those customers to come back by adding more content or we work on the bugs and risk losing even more people because they're busy working on the games bugs and not the content. Well they probably needed the money of the customers so they can continue the game so they went to the customers. They added content on the game and have been trying to increase they're player base ever since. Ya, they've gotten some the player base back but they still have a game full of bugs. So SoE is pretty much screwed. Now if it was up to me I would open up two types of servers, a CU and a current one. SoE has been working on SWG though and they have made it a little better but lots of people just aren't satisfied with what they have been doing. So how much people still aren't satisfied with what they are trying to do to help the gamers and actually tried looking at it from both sides of the story? Go ahead and post what you think about the subject or atleast vote on the poll. Now i'm not on anyone's side but I don't like the NGE and I prefer CU or pre NGE atleast. Also post what you think about what SoE is doing with swg today.
The NGE was what the players wanted .They showed this by leaving the game and depleting subs.Many players expressed there concern with game ideas and asked for some kind of change,especially one that made some things easier.
The few core players that started all the SOE hate from the NGE are the real ones to blame.The rest of the players that wanted the change can lay blame and wonder if they should ever forgive the others who mocked NGE.Those others started such a ruckus they drove the game further into obscurity by spreading rumours and flaming forums.Eventually there removed subs and BS in the forums had everyone wanting to leave.That kind of stuff would make any game community lose subs and ruin any chance of new players wanting to join such a ruckus.
SOE could have just left the game alone and let subs continue to fall.This way those same lamers could rant in the forums that SOE did nothing,so once again it would be there fault.
OR....they could have accepted changes realizing it was an attempt to reclaim a dwindling sub base and hope for the best.
This whole fiascal would be exactly like SOE now offering the complete game to returnees for free[EQ2].The vets who paid for all the expansions could whine and complain because others are getting it for free,but the reality is EQ2 is dying badly and it is best for the game.That is just common sense unless you would rather a game dies or the servers are empty,as long as you got your own way and the game is the way you wanted it to be.This the feeling i get from the NGE whiners,they would have rather had the game die or play on empty servers.
I guess we can add 'The NGE made the game great and it would have succeeded if those awful players would have given it a chance!' to the list of NGE canards. It was hilarious when John Smedly used it in an interview after it had become clear that the NGE wasn't going to be a success. It is not as funny now A bit sad though...
SoE screwed over more than just the SWG crowd with their games, so no I will never trust them again. I think a lot of EQ vets got a little burned, and that is their shinning symbol of success.
Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.
The topic isn't really a dead horse, since all the dysfunction at SOE that caused the NGE is still present.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
What else is there to do? DEAL!
The NGE was just the result of a larger problem with SOE. I don't view the discussion over what was done to SWG as the entire conversation.
oh i dealt with it long ago. i no longer play mmos. i refuse to give money to companies that make the same old sh*t. i do have hope that better days are on the horizon though in titles like fallen earth and earthrise.
I don't mind the same old shit, as long as it is well done and fun for a bit. I avoid SOE related MMOs, but I have played many of the other MMOs on the market. I haven't stuck with any of them for more than three months, so I don't think it is a good thing that the market is being flooded with them. I hope Fallen Earth gets released and is good, since it looks really interesting and refreshing (although the FPS combat doesn't hold much appeal for me, since I don't like FPS combat in MMOs).
I have enjoyed pretty much every Bioware game I've played. Their MMO probably won't hold my interest for the long term, but I'm not upset by the fact that it is not going to be what SWG used to be.
No, some people will never forgive. It has become the meaning of their forum existence to harp on the failure of the NGE. Many would be willing to forgive and forget if servers of both types were opened, but some simply wouldn't be able to put it behind them. Human nature, I guess.
Considering the work involved in maintaining an MMOG, I think maintaining two versions of one would simply be too much. Best they can do from a business perspective is what they're doing; keep what they have afloat as much as possible. Sad, maybe, but I don't think they'll get a second chance - from investors or players.
I played SWG pre NGE and post NGE. I only play now when they offer free time and mainly for nostalgic reason. Both "games" are outdated specially the graphics and think even many free to play mmo's are far better.
Its unforgivable what they did. How could they completely redesign a game like that? Its so unfathomable its hilarious. They thought they could get WoW like numbers by betraying their customers, and now they have Matrix Online like numbers.
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NEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
NEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QFT! And quote just to keep on beating!!! YEEEEEEEHAW!
LEC didn't force SOE to implement the NGE, they allowed them to do it. The NGE was concieved by the SOE development team, and LEC approved its implementation.
Wrong.
Sorry, the folks who were involved in creating the abortion known as the NGE have said who instigated it. It was SOE's baby. There was no directive from LEC that forced SOE to implement the NGE.
Yep, good ole Dan "OM NOM NOM NOM" Rubenfield admitted it already, sorry, but having him said that, he can't really go back and contradict himself.
For some reason, the leak by EA's CEO about Bioware's MMO has cause a large increase in the "LucasArts forced SOE to do it!" canard, and the lesser used, but just as false, "It was the players' fault!" explanations for the genisis of the NGE.
Well yeah, think about it, at this point, SOE's reputation has been tarnished so much, they're trying to save face as much as they can, especially considering that not only will they end up loosing the SW license, but also if they don't do something to save SOME of their reputation, then their upcoming MMO's (the Agencey and DC U and Free Realms) will obvisouly bomb, so at this point they're just trying to receover as much as they can so that they're upcoming games don't bomb as bad. Unfortunately for them though, it won't do a lick of good. Their tarnished reputation goes beyond what they did to SWG, it's also due to how they behave as a company, and I don't think enough people will end up buying their PR crap to try their games.
The topic isn't really a dead horse, since all the dysfunction at SOE that caused the NGE is still present.
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
you know obee i used to respect you and fisher
now the 2 of you are showing that you 2 are just fanbois who don't want pre-cu back and would rather talk about how to make the nge better or kotor online if it ends up being a level based borefest
if anyone wants pre-cu back now is the time to run the fanbois off the forums along with there fanbot masters. if you want cool pvp and jedi back then support us true vets in getting our game back.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
What else is there to do? DEAL!
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
you know obee i used to respect you and fisher
now the 2 of you are showing that you 2 are just fanbois who don't want pre-cu back and would rather talk about how to make the nge better or kotor online if it ends up being a level based borefest
if anyone wants pre-cu back now is the time to run the fanbois off the forums along with there fanbot masters. if you want cool pvp and jedi back then support us true vets in getting our game back.
The NGE can't be made better (it is limited by thye horrible core game, it can't even be made 'not bad') and I wouldn't go back to an SOE ran pre-CU server since I won't pay for any product that SOE earns revenue from. I just realize that Bioware's game is going to resemble Bioware's other game much more than it resembles pre-CU SWG. Considering I enjoy Bioware's other games, I don't have much of a problem with it.
If Bioware does incorporate some sandbox elements I'll be pleasantly surprised. I just don't feel that Bioware has to make up for SOE's mistakes. Hell, most of the ex-SWG developers at Bioware left SOE because SOE was making those mistakes.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
What else is there to do? DEAL!
The NGE was just the result of a larger problem with SOE. I don't view the discussion over what was done to SWG as the entire conversation.
Whoa whoa whoa! calm yourself there boy. Look, I hate SOE just as much as you do, but in no way am I going to "kill KOTOR Online" because Bioware doesn't bow down to your demands. I'm sorry, but our fight is with SOE, not Bioware, Bioware doesn't owe us a damn thing, so please chill! Don't try and make all SWG vets here look as ignorant as your statement man.
Since I agree with you, I'd say the count is down to 249,998 of his 'friends'.
you know obee i used to respect you and fisher
now the 2 of you are showing that you 2 are just fanbois who don't want pre-cu back and would rather talk about how to make the nge better or kotor online if it ends up being a level based borefest
if anyone wants pre-cu back now is the time to run the fanbois off the forums along with there fanbot masters. if you want cool pvp and jedi back then support us true vets in getting our game back.
The NGE can't be made better (it is limited by thye horrible core game, it can't even be made 'not bad') and I wouldn't go back to an SOE ran pre-CU server since I won't pay for any product that SOE earns revenue from. I just realize that Bioware's game is going to resemble Bioware's other game much more than it resembles pre-CU SWG. Considering I enjoy Bioware's other games, I don't have much of a problem with it.
If Bioware does incorporate some sandbox elements I'll be pleasantly surprised. I just don't feel that Bioware has to make up for SOE's mistakes. Hell, most of the ex-SWG developers at Bioware left SOE because SOE was making those mistakes.
bioware has made some crappy games over the last few years
kotor needed a sandbox skill system not the level borefest that was in it same with jade empire. and mass effect was a lame fps game that was the nge of rpg titles. also coming out with it on a system like the lamebox 360 was a bad move as well.
bioware owes us la owes us and $OE owes us. this game should be pre-cu for those of us who got screwed by $OE.
Everyone should just stop trying to tell or post crap about bioware having to make up for SoE. Bioware is a different company and knows how to make a video game the only thing Soe and Bioware have in common is that they both have made a video game in the star wars universe. period. and anyone who wants to hold bioware somehow responsible for NGE should go and actually play swg and realize that the game still sucks and bioware didnt do that, SoE did.
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(names used in previous games)
-Desitre -Desiboy -Verra -Auroras Borealis -Scaven
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looking forward to...
Bioware's MMORPG
Stargate
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The NGE was what the players wanted .They showed this by leaving the game and depleting subs.Many players expressed there concern with game ideas and asked for some kind of change,especially one that made some things easier.
The few core players that started all the SOE hate from the NGE are the real ones to blame.The rest of the players that wanted the change can lay blame and wonder if they should ever forgive the others who mocked NGE.Those others started such a ruckus they drove the game further into obscurity by spreading rumours and flaming forums.Eventually there removed subs and BS in the forums had everyone wanting to leave.That kind of stuff would make any game community lose subs and ruin any chance of new players wanting to join such a ruckus.
SOE could have just left the game alone and let subs continue to fall.This way those same lamers could rant in the forums that SOE did nothing,so once again it would be there fault.
OR....they could have accepted changes realizing it was an attempt to reclaim a dwindling sub base and hope for the best.
This whole fiascal would be exactly like SOE now offering the complete game to returnees for free[EQ2].The vets who paid for all the expansions could whine and complain because others are getting it for free,but the reality is EQ2 is dying badly and it is best for the game.That is just common sense unless you would rather a game dies or the servers are empty,as long as you got your own way and the game is the way you wanted it to be.This the feeling i get from the NGE whiners,they would have rather had the game die or play on empty servers.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
What else is there to do? DEAL!
The NGE was just the result of a larger problem with SOE. I don't view the discussion over what was done to SWG as the entire conversation.
oh i dealt with it long ago. i no longer play mmos. i refuse to give money to companies that make the same old sh*t. i do have hope that better days are on the horizon though in titles like fallen earth and earthrise.
I won't forgive SOE until Smedley's head is on a stake.
The NGE was what the players wanted .They showed this by leaving the game and depleting subs.Many players expressed there concern with game ideas and asked for some kind of change,especially one that made some things easier.
The few core players that started all the SOE hate from the NGE are the real ones to blame.The rest of the players that wanted the change can lay blame and wonder if they should ever forgive the others who mocked NGE.Those others started such a ruckus they drove the game further into obscurity by spreading rumours and flaming forums.Eventually there removed subs and BS in the forums had everyone wanting to leave.That kind of stuff would make any game community lose subs and ruin any chance of new players wanting to join such a ruckus.
SOE could have just left the game alone and let subs continue to fall.This way those same lamers could rant in the forums that SOE did nothing,so once again it would be there fault.
OR....they could have accepted changes realizing it was an attempt to reclaim a dwindling sub base and hope for the best.
This whole fiascal would be exactly like SOE now offering the complete game to returnees for free[EQ2].The vets who paid for all the expansions could whine and complain because others are getting it for free,but the reality is EQ2 is dying badly and it is best for the game.That is just common sense unless you would rather a game dies or the servers are empty,as long as you got your own way and the game is the way you wanted it to be.This the feeling i get from the NGE whiners,they would have rather had the game die or play on empty servers.
I guess we can add 'The NGE made the game great and it would have succeeded if those awful players would have given it a chance!' to the list of NGE canards. It was hilarious when John Smedly used it in an interview after it had become clear that the NGE wasn't going to be a success. It is not as funny now A bit sad though...
No mercy for SOE!!!
It's not only SWG FFS it's EQ, it's EQ2, it's Vanguard, it's PoTBS, it's F everything they touch!!!
SoE screwed over more than just the SWG crowd with their games, so no I will never trust them again. I think a lot of EQ vets got a little burned, and that is their shinning symbol of success.
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Forgive and forget but this blunder has bit them in the ass so hard they haven't and probably never will recover.
Last reply in this topic, then it's dead for me.
How isn't this a dead horse? How many times are people going to cry about their beloved SWG? I loved it, played it, it got butchered... I moaned, I moved on.
What else is there to do? DEAL!
The NGE was just the result of a larger problem with SOE. I don't view the discussion over what was done to SWG as the entire conversation.
oh i dealt with it long ago. i no longer play mmos. i refuse to give money to companies that make the same old sh*t. i do have hope that better days are on the horizon though in titles like fallen earth and earthrise.
I don't mind the same old shit, as long as it is well done and fun for a bit. I avoid SOE related MMOs, but I have played many of the other MMOs on the market. I haven't stuck with any of them for more than three months, so I don't think it is a good thing that the market is being flooded with them. I hope Fallen Earth gets released and is good, since it looks really interesting and refreshing (although the FPS combat doesn't hold much appeal for me, since I don't like FPS combat in MMOs).
I have enjoyed pretty much every Bioware game I've played. Their MMO probably won't hold my interest for the long term, but I'm not upset by the fact that it is not going to be what SWG used to be.
No, some people will never forgive. It has become the meaning of their forum existence to harp on the failure of the NGE. Many would be willing to forgive and forget if servers of both types were opened, but some simply wouldn't be able to put it behind them. Human nature, I guess.
Considering the work involved in maintaining an MMOG, I think maintaining two versions of one would simply be too much. Best they can do from a business perspective is what they're doing; keep what they have afloat as much as possible. Sad, maybe, but I don't think they'll get a second chance - from investors or players.
Sure..
I'll forgive them once they admit they fucked up
Make a public aplogy to everyone in the industry and their former playerbase
and make admends
until then.
No.
I played SWG from the start and was angry when they changed the game.
I really liked EQ2 when it first came out. Then they went and dumbed it down.
I just don't trust them any more.
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I played SWG pre NGE and post NGE. I only play now when they offer free time and mainly for nostalgic reason.
Both "games" are outdated specially the graphics and think even many free to play mmo's are far better.
I never played SWG before NGE.
Its unforgivable what they did. How could they completely redesign a game like that? Its so unfathomable its hilarious. They thought they could get WoW like numbers by betraying their customers, and now they have Matrix Online like numbers.