Why the hell would they go microtansaction so they can produce crappy games and say hey there free
How the heck should I know?
Have you been following SOE? Freerealms...a free to play that will have microtransactions.
The Agency, not sure if you will need to buy a box but it will also have microtransactions.
SOE isn't the only company going this route in the future. Traditional monthly sub MMO's will become fewer and fewer. Bioware has even voice support for the model.
Besides. SOE's MMO lineup is completely to the last game sub-par junk, I'm surprised they haven't abandon the genre altogether.
Bye SOE games. I'm not playing any micro transaction games, so SOE just dropped off my radar. If they are successful with this model, then good for them, but I'll be looking elsewhere for MMO's.
Really to bad. I would love to see an EQ3.
"I want to make this very clear", said lead designer Hal Milton. "This is not a microtransaction system within The Agency to allow players to buy weapons, outfits, or operatives to be effective within the game world. That's something that we're absolutely not planning on doing".
Instead, Live Gamer will be implemented as it is in EQII, allowing players to sell their own goods to other players. Milton did add that allowing players to recruit more operatives through a one-time out of game payment was still a possibility
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Item mall MMOs are the clear evolution of the MMORPG.
They aren't. Only PART of the player base likes item shops.
Asia started to use more and more item shops but a significant part of the players there don't want item shop games there anymore.
People want to know what they're getting. With item shops you don't know. They can change the game as much as they want.
In asia it became a common theme to change the cash shop items and make them more powerfull after release. That pissed off a good deal of players who don't want cash shop anymore.
It is simple, as long as Smedley is at the helm of SOE the company will continue to produce mediocre games. Until Sony wakes up and fires him, it will not get better, it will get worse.
It is simple, as long as Smedley is at the helm of SOE the company will continue to produce mediocre games. Until Sony wakes up and fires him, it will not get better, it will get worse.
That may be so. Just be thankful some Korean company hasn't tried to hire and get Smedley, McQuaid, and Godager together into one room to design a MMORPG.
I need to get on my knees and pray that the KOTOR MMO isn't a microtransaction game.
As for EQ3...I don't really know or care. EQ2 was much less popular than the first one because it did not evolve the genre enough, and it did not refine enough of what was already there...If they were to make an EQ3 they would have to get with the times, because I think that that was the ultimate failing of EQ2
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
This medium of MMO is dead but most players haven't accepted that small fact. We gamers don't need another game of the same thing thats been played out since EQ1. The story and mechanics of the game is way past dated. The simple play format of most games like EQ2 and WOW and the rest are dated. The only real game from a PVP perspective other then DAOC which had promise but is worn out as well was Shadowbane and though it had the best format ever it was underfunded and horribly executed
The only game where players truly built their world of play. Guilds and guild politics actually were crucial. Crafting as well was awsome. Bottom line is people don't want more of the same. We want the WOW thats something i've never seen done before. WOW somebody had a fresh thought , concept or idea. The smart developers have already caught on I'm sure. I'm hoping its going to be Warhammer but tbh i have serious doubts that it will be much more then we already have available to us now.
As to microtransations? It will never work large scale and the money is in the large scale game.
Item mall MMOs are the clear evolution of the MMORPG.
They aren't. Only PART of the player base likes item shops.
Asia started to use more and more item shops but a significant part of the players there don't want item shop games there anymore.
People want to know what they're getting. With item shops you don't know. They can change the game as much as they want.
In asia it became a common theme to change the cash shop items and make them more powerfull after release. That pissed off a good deal of players who don't want cash shop anymore.
I won't buy SoE games if they're cash shop.
Can you provide an article detailing this exodus away from cash shop MMOs in Asia? Can you explain your conclusions in any way?
Nearly every MMO in Asia is a cash shop MMO. The9 even tried to turn WoW China into a cash shop because they would make a lot more money that way, however Blizzard didn't allow it.
The monthly fee payment plan is becoming too rigid for new MMO gamers, the recent string of flops does not help matters at all either. Casual gamers do not want to be locked into a monthly payment plan for a video game. You hardcore gamers can scoff all you want but MMO publishers no longer care about the hardcore that comprises maybe 10% of their consumers.
Cash shop MMOs are flexible. If the game sucks then you didn't pay anything which means all you was time and not money. If you like it you can buy as much from the cash shop as possible. If you want to take a break from the game at the beginning of the month its fine because you didn't already pay your fee because there wasnt one.
Waterlily - I doubt you would buy any SOE game, monthly fee or cash shop, judging by your signature.
would be interesting to see an Everquest 3 would be like... It would have a problem with Everquest and Everquest 2 being different games that it may possibly alienate one of the crowds.. It would probably not be able to rely on sit 'n' grind which is Everquest 1, as with the trend with every mmo now it probably will have instances.., rehashing the same old classes might be pretty dull.. It could potentially be good but it hope it would take a long look at Everquest 1 and draw some inspiration from it's diverse world and it's dungeons and also hire the right artists. Perhaps part of the original charm of Everquest was it's environments and some of it's character models like it's frogloks, kobalds, orcs, gnolls- they all were distinctive and had character.
you dont have to look very far, Vanguard is basically the EQ3. They've implemented alot of stuff from EQ 1 and 2.
'Sequels are the antithesis of persistent worlds.'
QFT
And I tried EQ2 (Up to level 52) and just never really liked it... too derivitive of the original: all about reclaiming what we (players) knew/did in the original. Just a bad idea, IMO.
I'd rather see a different kind of micro-transaction. Why can't I just decide to pay 50 cents to play game X, today? Just today... If I want to play tomorrow, I'll cough up another 50 cents. If I like it enough, I'll shell out $5 for a week, or $15 for a month.
There are lots of MMO's I used to play that I'd be happy to pay a few dollars to play again, but I know I wouldn't do so for very long. Likewise, if my schedule only lets me play irregularly, paying 50 cents here and there would let me enjoy it as much as I can, without feeling like I'm wasting money.
The world of EQ is a great IP. I wish they'd sell it to Blizzard and let some pros turn it into a fantastic game. Imagine an EQ3 with Blizzard's polish and care.
They quit spinning off the EQ IP years ago. It has a bad reputation with players and medieval fantasy IPs are a dime a dozen.
I wouldn't put it past SOE to announce EQ3 at some point but I think that company will go belly up before they could ever finish it.
If they do it won't be called Everquest 3. They regret using Everquest 2 for the last one apparently.
It split the EQ community between two games, while adding only a nominal number of new players..
I would rather see a ground up revamp of EQ, all new character models, no zonelines, etc, while maintaining the same feel / gameplay. It will never happen though.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. Benjamin Franklin
The world of EQ is a great IP. I wish they'd sell it to Blizzard and let some pros turn it into a fantastic game. Imagine an EQ3 with Blizzard's polish and care.
No thanks...Blizz has their hands full with the next WOW expansion.
Besides the original pro's created EQ one of the pilars this whole MMO thing was built upon.
With regards to the F2P model with cash shops discussion.
I see there are people for and against this model, but I am deffinately against it. I think it's bad for the vast majority of people that play MMO's.
Lets take your hardcore players, that just want to max their character out and make it as good as it can be for PVE, PVP whatever. These players are now going to be forced to pay for items at the mall, they will be spending way more than a monthly fee would ever be. To them their fun is being able to compete, imagine making the raid sets in WoW and just offering them up to buy. As some players buy these the others will have to follow to compete.
Now lets look at middle of the road (me) I play for fun, I'm not on all the time but also I like to be decent in PVE and PVP, I'm not going to have fun getting annhialated all the time. I can't not care that everyone else is more powerful than me because they have bought a few items, and I can't not care that loads of people can do content I can't. Again I'm pushed towards this item mall and before I know it, I'm way over 20$ a month.
Finally, the totally apathetic players that just play purely for fun, not caring if they can't do content, can't compete. How many of these players are there? Also you can bet that all these item malls will not just sell things to help people in combat. Your looking at clothes, decorations, transport, inventory increases, you name it.
This Free Realms of SOE's is a little evil in my oppinion. Imagine you are the parent of this child that buys this game. Instead of paying a flat monthly fee with all the content available to work for in game youll get a game that has a whole host of items for sale thruogh micro transactions. So now instead of just real world "Tommy has better shoes than me" "I want this toy because Andy has one" we get online "Rubyxxx has a pink dress with white spots I want one!" Making the game with microtransactions is another business example of trying to exploit the child/parent relationship.
I think, while it may seem appealing at first, F2P models wont last, as the players slowly realise that they are either spending way more than they would like, or they aren't having as much fun as they thought they would.
Thinking about it, has any F2P models been successful in Europe?
Do you think they will ever make it? I mean I think it could be semi secessful espcially if they fixed somethings they did wrong with EQII
I certianly hope not! Why should they bother? The world of Norrath is a gay place anyway. I used to like EQ but EQ2 just wrecked it. I would much prefer to see someone come up with a decent fantasy world rather than just rehash an old and boring one. Maybe if they did EQ3 they could go all the way this time and say that the whole world has been blown up again and now all the races love each other and live in one big city that is shaped like a mushroom because the world is now ruled over by a giant pink fairy and her cute pet puppy. Wouldnt that be nice!
Everquest 3 isn't going to compete with WoW people. Everquest its self can't compete. Everquest if for the Hard-Core when it boils down to it and WoW is for the new gamer the casual let everything be super duper easy gamer. So Easy will alwasy trump Hard. Everquest 3 will be made when SOE feels the Everquest comunity wants a new EQ. It will be playble on the PC and PS3 hopefully same servers.
I believe they will not use the Everquest name again. But i believe they will definately keep a lookout at Bioware and the next Blizz mmo and try to copy their success ( if they are successful) and may come out with another fantasy mmo in future...
But before that i believe they will start to close down those smaller mmo under their belt now...
What are you talking about? Everquest was a sucess and still is. It provides plenty of revenue for SOE. Just because they dont have 9 million subcribers doesn't make there palette a failure. You people need to stop looking at WOW as a EPIC sucess and other mmos are failing because they dont have 9 Million subs. 50-100K subs on a game is more then sucessful and profitable. Try to remember 400K subs was top dog in EQ's day and they were only charging 10 bucks and piling up the money. And try to remember if SOE wasn't making money on the current MMO's they have the servers would most certainly not be up and running now. EQ and EQ2 have a good number of servers. Even though it kills me to say it Vanguard is making SOE money. So try to rethink your logic people.
PS Sony will get someone who loves Everquest series to help develop and produce Everquest 3. It will be a combination of Everquest 1,2, and Vanguard into one to create Everquest 3 the ultimate Hard-core,Casual gaming experiance anyone can handle. And this game will not compete with any WOW game it will just co-exsist just like all the other SOE games.
Everquest 3 isn't going to compete with WoW people. Everquest its self can't compete. Everquest if for the Hard-Core when it boils down to it and WoW is for the new gamer the casual let everything be super duper easy gamer. So Easy will alwasy trump Hard. Everquest 3 will be made when SOE feels the Everquest comunity wants a new EQ. It will be playble on the PC and PS3 hopefully same servers.
What a load of bollocks! The only difference is that WoW looks cartoony and EQ2 doesnt. Other than their graphical appearance they both play the same way.
Whats hardcore about EQ2? Its so bloody childish & fluffy its ridiculous! Oh no Tilda Wigglewizzy has lost her spoon which she needs to help her bake fairy cakes! Oh gosh! Please go to the evil nasty goblins hut and bash him over the head until he drops it. Then Tilda Wigglewizzy will give you a yummy cake as a reward. Yay!
Yeah thats really hardcore lol
WoW isnt much different except it doesnt pretend to be grown up by using more realistic graphics.
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How the heck should I know?
Have you been following SOE? Freerealms...a free to play that will have microtransactions.
The Agency, not sure if you will need to buy a box but it will also have microtransactions.
SOE isn't the only company going this route in the future. Traditional monthly sub MMO's will become fewer and fewer. Bioware has even voice support for the model.
Besides. SOE's MMO lineup is completely to the last game sub-par junk, I'm surprised they haven't abandon the genre altogether.
Bye SOE games. I'm not playing any micro transaction games, so SOE just dropped off my radar. If they are successful with this model, then good for them, but I'll be looking elsewhere for MMO's.
Really to bad. I would love to see an EQ3.
Instead, Live Gamer will be implemented as it is in EQII, allowing players to sell their own goods to other players. Milton did add that allowing players to recruit more operatives through a one-time out of game payment was still a possibility
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
They aren't. Only PART of the player base likes item shops.
Asia started to use more and more item shops but a significant part of the players there don't want item shop games there anymore.
People want to know what they're getting. With item shops you don't know. They can change the game as much as they want.
In asia it became a common theme to change the cash shop items and make them more powerfull after release. That pissed off a good deal of players who don't want cash shop anymore.
I won't buy SoE games if they're cash shop.
It is simple, as long as Smedley is at the helm of SOE the company will continue to produce mediocre games. Until Sony wakes up and fires him, it will not get better, it will get worse.
That may be so. Just be thankful some Korean company hasn't tried to hire and get Smedley, McQuaid, and Godager together into one room to design a MMORPG.
I need to get on my knees and pray that the KOTOR MMO isn't a microtransaction game.
As for EQ3...I don't really know or care. EQ2 was much less popular than the first one because it did not evolve the genre enough, and it did not refine enough of what was already there...If they were to make an EQ3 they would have to get with the times, because I think that that was the ultimate failing of EQ2
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
This medium of MMO is dead but most players haven't accepted that small fact. We gamers don't need another game of the same thing thats been played out since EQ1. The story and mechanics of the game is way past dated. The simple play format of most games like EQ2 and WOW and the rest are dated. The only real game from a PVP perspective other then DAOC which had promise but is worn out as well was Shadowbane and though it had the best format ever it was underfunded and horribly executed
The only game where players truly built their world of play. Guilds and guild politics actually were crucial. Crafting as well was awsome. Bottom line is people don't want more of the same. We want the WOW thats something i've never seen done before. WOW somebody had a fresh thought , concept or idea. The smart developers have already caught on I'm sure. I'm hoping its going to be Warhammer but tbh i have serious doubts that it will be much more then we already have available to us now.
As to microtransations? It will never work large scale and the money is in the large scale game.
Sequels are the antithesis of persistent worlds.
RMT won't prevent me from trying a game but I dont care for it
EQ2 fan sites
almost all MMO companies will be going this route in the future
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
They aren't. Only PART of the player base likes item shops.
Asia started to use more and more item shops but a significant part of the players there don't want item shop games there anymore.
People want to know what they're getting. With item shops you don't know. They can change the game as much as they want.
In asia it became a common theme to change the cash shop items and make them more powerfull after release. That pissed off a good deal of players who don't want cash shop anymore.
I won't buy SoE games if they're cash shop.
Can you provide an article detailing this exodus away from cash shop MMOs in Asia? Can you explain your conclusions in any way?
Nearly every MMO in Asia is a cash shop MMO. The9 even tried to turn WoW China into a cash shop because they would make a lot more money that way, however Blizzard didn't allow it.
The monthly fee payment plan is becoming too rigid for new MMO gamers, the recent string of flops does not help matters at all either. Casual gamers do not want to be locked into a monthly payment plan for a video game. You hardcore gamers can scoff all you want but MMO publishers no longer care about the hardcore that comprises maybe 10% of their consumers.
Cash shop MMOs are flexible. If the game sucks then you didn't pay anything which means all you was time and not money. If you like it you can buy as much from the cash shop as possible. If you want to take a break from the game at the beginning of the month its fine because you didn't already pay your fee because there wasnt one.
Waterlily - I doubt you would buy any SOE game, monthly fee or cash shop, judging by your signature.
you dont have to look very far, Vanguard is basically the EQ3. They've implemented alot of stuff from EQ 1 and 2.
'Sequels are the antithesis of persistent worlds.'
QFT
And I tried EQ2 (Up to level 52) and just never really liked it... too derivitive of the original: all about reclaiming what we (players) knew/did in the original. Just a bad idea, IMO.
I'd rather see a different kind of micro-transaction. Why can't I just decide to pay 50 cents to play game X, today? Just today... If I want to play tomorrow, I'll cough up another 50 cents. If I like it enough, I'll shell out $5 for a week, or $15 for a month.
There are lots of MMO's I used to play that I'd be happy to pay a few dollars to play again, but I know I wouldn't do so for very long. Likewise, if my schedule only lets me play irregularly, paying 50 cents here and there would let me enjoy it as much as I can, without feeling like I'm wasting money.
One of the most profound statments I have seen in a very long time. I must admit I never really thought of it like that, but well said.
They quit spinning off the EQ IP years ago. It has a bad reputation with players and medieval fantasy IPs are a dime a dozen.
I wouldn't put it past SOE to announce EQ3 at some point but I think that company will go belly up before they could ever finish it.
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It split the EQ community between two games, while adding only a nominal number of new players..
I would rather see a ground up revamp of EQ, all new character models, no zonelines, etc, while maintaining the same feel / gameplay. It will never happen though.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
No thanks...Blizz has their hands full with the next WOW expansion.
Besides the original pro's created EQ one of the pilars this whole MMO thing was built upon.
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With regards to the F2P model with cash shops discussion.
I see there are people for and against this model, but I am deffinately against it. I think it's bad for the vast majority of people that play MMO's.
Lets take your hardcore players, that just want to max their character out and make it as good as it can be for PVE, PVP whatever. These players are now going to be forced to pay for items at the mall, they will be spending way more than a monthly fee would ever be. To them their fun is being able to compete, imagine making the raid sets in WoW and just offering them up to buy. As some players buy these the others will have to follow to compete.
Now lets look at middle of the road (me) I play for fun, I'm not on all the time but also I like to be decent in PVE and PVP, I'm not going to have fun getting annhialated all the time. I can't not care that everyone else is more powerful than me because they have bought a few items, and I can't not care that loads of people can do content I can't. Again I'm pushed towards this item mall and before I know it, I'm way over 20$ a month.
Finally, the totally apathetic players that just play purely for fun, not caring if they can't do content, can't compete. How many of these players are there? Also you can bet that all these item malls will not just sell things to help people in combat. Your looking at clothes, decorations, transport, inventory increases, you name it.
This Free Realms of SOE's is a little evil in my oppinion. Imagine you are the parent of this child that buys this game. Instead of paying a flat monthly fee with all the content available to work for in game youll get a game that has a whole host of items for sale thruogh micro transactions. So now instead of just real world "Tommy has better shoes than me" "I want this toy because Andy has one" we get online "Rubyxxx has a pink dress with white spots I want one!" Making the game with microtransactions is another business example of trying to exploit the child/parent relationship.
I think, while it may seem appealing at first, F2P models wont last, as the players slowly realise that they are either spending way more than they would like, or they aren't having as much fun as they thought they would.
Thinking about it, has any F2P models been successful in Europe?
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I could have predicted that.
I certianly hope not! Why should they bother? The world of Norrath is a gay place anyway. I used to like EQ but EQ2 just wrecked it. I would much prefer to see someone come up with a decent fantasy world rather than just rehash an old and boring one. Maybe if they did EQ3 they could go all the way this time and say that the whole world has been blown up again and now all the races love each other and live in one big city that is shaped like a mushroom because the world is now ruled over by a giant pink fairy and her cute pet puppy. Wouldnt that be nice!
I personally believe that MMO's shouldnt have sequals, they should just have a graphics upgrade and continue for years.
Oh and about the micro transaction topic i would never.... ever buy a MMO that made me pay RL cash for items.
It could be the greatest sandbox/skill system with the most revolutionary pvp and i would stay away.
If MMO's are going that way, ill be going the other way.
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There already is a EQ3. It's called Vanguard!
Everquest 3 isn't going to compete with WoW people. Everquest its self can't compete. Everquest if for the Hard-Core when it boils down to it and WoW is for the new gamer the casual let everything be super duper easy gamer. So Easy will alwasy trump Hard. Everquest 3 will be made when SOE feels the Everquest comunity wants a new EQ. It will be playble on the PC and PS3 hopefully same servers.
What are you talking about? Everquest was a sucess and still is. It provides plenty of revenue for SOE. Just because they dont have 9 million subcribers doesn't make there palette a failure. You people need to stop looking at WOW as a EPIC sucess and other mmos are failing because they dont have 9 Million subs. 50-100K subs on a game is more then sucessful and profitable. Try to remember 400K subs was top dog in EQ's day and they were only charging 10 bucks and piling up the money. And try to remember if SOE wasn't making money on the current MMO's they have the servers would most certainly not be up and running now. EQ and EQ2 have a good number of servers. Even though it kills me to say it Vanguard is making SOE money. So try to rethink your logic people.
PS Sony will get someone who loves Everquest series to help develop and produce Everquest 3. It will be a combination of Everquest 1,2, and Vanguard into one to create Everquest 3 the ultimate Hard-core,Casual gaming experiance anyone can handle. And this game will not compete with any WOW game it will just co-exsist just like all the other SOE games.
What a load of bollocks! The only difference is that WoW looks cartoony and EQ2 doesnt. Other than their graphical appearance they both play the same way.
Whats hardcore about EQ2? Its so bloody childish & fluffy its ridiculous! Oh no Tilda Wigglewizzy has lost her spoon which she needs to help her bake fairy cakes! Oh gosh! Please go to the evil nasty goblins hut and bash him over the head until he drops it. Then Tilda Wigglewizzy will give you a yummy cake as a reward. Yay!
Yeah thats really hardcore lol
WoW isnt much different except it doesnt pretend to be grown up by using more realistic graphics.