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Thoughts on the Presidency of The United States

I am writing this using our country simply as it makes things easier and more fluent. Sorry if it is an akward read for none US citizens.

Let us be frank here people. For, approaching, the last 8 years our country has been run by a buffoon. This early primate resembling fellow being none other than George W. Bush, the second leader of our country in the Bush lineage.  Our current leader is none short of incompetent, and sadly nothing has been done about it. The man can in fact barely form a coherent sentence, and all one has to do to see this is watch a video on you tube, read one of thousands of "Bushisms" or tune into any late night talk show. He is so ill equiped to lead i doubt he could lead a group of lemmings off a cliff let alone should he be aloud to lead the, at the moment, juggernaut country of the world...

The true question remains though... What kind of country is it where we would re-elect a man after he so obviously was failing at his job? What would drive people to vote in this slack-jawed Crawford native? Why would more people not be able to break the mold and reach out for something new and well for lack of a more fitting word... Better. The state of peoples awarness on issues and ignorance as to actual national importance of some issues as opposed to silly issues that people worry about  *cough* *cough* Gun-Reblicans and the Religous Right. People and now i speak of all kinds, so afraid to vote in somebody who is different simply because they are afraid or simply cannot give up on an issue. A single bloody issue. Why would you base who you vote for on a single issue? This simply makes no sense. It is equivalent to saying "The only way i will buy a car is if it has 12 cupholders because i simply can live with no less". Silly. At best. The presidency has thus been shamed and made a mockery of (although it has been this way forever) by those who would simply seek to gratify their own needs without a thought to what could be accomplished through some small degree of cooperation. Isnt that the point of a government like ours? People coming together and sacrificing for the greater good, giving up on some points to advance the state of things as a whole.

The presidency is a sad state of affairs. The upcoming elections i suppose hold some hope, but both candidates still draw essentially large groups of single issue voters swarming to get their voices heard in the grand scheme of things. There just isnt much hope in sight. What will it take to make people realize what must be done, nay what has to be done.

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  • WolfenprideWolfenpride Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,988

    Ill never understand how bush got elected twice either

    If people want to elect someone to lead the country to the ground, then so be it :)

  • VehuelVehuel Member Posts: 112

     

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  • Varlok91Varlok91 Member Posts: 396
    Originally posted by ghostofspuds


    I am writing this using our country simply as it makes things easier and more fluent. Sorry if it is an akward read for none US citizens.
    Let us be frank here people. For, approaching, the last 8 years our country has been run by a buffoon. This early primate resembling fellow being none other than George W. Bush, the second leader of our country in the Bush lineage.  Our current leader is none short of incompetent, and sadly nothing has been done about it. The man can in fact barely form a coherent sentence, and all one has to do to see this is watch a video on you tube, read one of thousands of "Bushisms" or tune into any late night talk show. He is so ill equiped to lead i doubt he could lead a group of lemmings off a cliff let alone should he be aloud to lead the, at the moment, juggernaut country of the world...
    While Bush has not been anywhere near the most successful president, he is hardly to blame for everything. I mean look at how "incompetent" the current Democratic Congress is...
    The true question remains though... What kind of country is it where we would re-elect a man after he so obviously was failing at his job? What would drive people to vote in this slack-jawed Crawford native? Why would more people not be able to break the mold and reach out for something new and well for lack of a more fitting word... Better. John Kerry can hardly be considered better. And you want to know how the election was over before it even started? Americans has never jumped horses in the middle of the race (changed presidents during the middle of a war). The state of peoples awarness on issues and ignorance as to actual national importance of some issues as opposed to silly issues that people worry about  *cough* *cough* Gun-Reblicans and the Religous Right. People and now i speak of all kinds, so afraid to vote in somebody who is different simply because they are afraid or simply cannot give up on an issue.  A single bloody issue. Why would you base who you vote for on a single issue? This simply makes no sense. It is equivalent to saying "The only way i will buy a car is if it has 12 cupholders because i simply can live with no less". Silly. At best. It is there right to vote. Sometimes one issue is enough to make a candidate seem completely unvoteable. For example, many people have strong views on abortion. I think it's logical for pro-life people to want to save millions of babies from abortion and for that sole issue to guide their vote. Your analogy is way off as you can see. 12 cupholders means little, saving millions of lives means a s*** ton. The presidency has thus been shamed and made a mockery of (although it has been this way forever) by those who would simply seek to gratify their own needs without a thought to what could be accomplished through some small degree of cooperation. Isnt that the point of a government like ours? People coming together and sacrificing for the greater good, giving up on some points to advance the state of things as a whole. Depends on what sacrifices you are asking people to make. Not all people see getting taxed heavily to support National Health Care as an advancement. It's all about perspective.
    The presidency is a sad state of affairs. The upcoming elections i suppose hold some hope, but both candidates still draw essentially large groups of single issue voters swarming to get their voices heard in the grand scheme of things. There just isnt much hope in sight. What will it take to make people realize what must be done, nay what has to be done.
    You mean there isn't much hope with Obama running!?!? What about all his speeches and all the press?!?!?!?

     

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  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    Hey OP, you realize your Democratically run congress has an approval rating that is one third of Dubbya's, right?

    Seriously, Republicans and Democrats crack me up.  You have your choice between incompetents and non-sensical morons.  Both wipe their ass with the Constitution. 

    I really hoped this would be the year one of the major parties would split or disintegrate....

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  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze Member Posts: 1,702

    yes OP. you emphasized hussein which of course is a NO NO. you should have put more emphasis on other substance. than lastly, for good measure,point out his middle name being a muslim name of hussein.

    arent presidents of the USA announced by all three names when formerly announced, such as the state of the Union? i wonder if barack hussein obama will still want his middle name off limits once elected?

    interesting, i know.

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  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586
    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    yes OP. you emphasized hussein which of course is a NO NO. you should have put more emphasis on other substance. than lastly, for good measure,point out his middle name being a muslim name of hussein.
    arent presidents of the USA announced by all three names when formerly announced, such as the state of the Union? i wonder if barack hussein obama will still want his middle name off limits once elected?
    interesting, i know.

     

    The way some people I know talk about Obama you would think his name is

    Barack Osama Mohammad Hussein Obama Bin Laden.

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • ghostofspudsghostofspuds Member Posts: 47

    Well i pretty much got the response i figured i would get with this post. To the man with the hussein beef thingy. WHAT THE HELL MAN... What you just sad was so sad and backwards, it has nothing to do with who he is or what he stands. Sometimes i wonder about people... Natural selection has very obviously died in the human race. Next in line is you who says that congress has an approval rating of 1/3 that of our most illustrious leader. Would you or anyone else be interested in posting these results? Because with bush at like 20-30% this just doesnt seem likely.

    The bottom line is there are a lot of stupid people out there... Look how the infaltrated the presidency.

    By the way i am neither a Democrat nor am i a Republican

  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    Its true, this congress is the least popular congress in history.  However, I think your issues are one-sighted and show a general portrayal of the media hyped world we live in.  We will probably never have a popular president again when a slip up they make is replayed 1000 times that hour.  We all make slip-ups, and I am sure in the course of 8 years we make thousands of slip-ups.  The only difference is each one is scrutinized by the press who cannot cover a real story.

    I think its best to ignore all the people calling Bush a buffon and simply look what the man accomplished and failed.  When you look at it that way then look at the underlying cause.  Most of his answers were shot down by congress on his failures.  Social Security, and the economy.  His only notable digressions are the War in Iraq, and his tax cuts that resulted in a higher percentage of low income families and a 0.2% increase in the unemployed.  The increase in 2002 by 3% is really the result of the echo boom generation with the biggest flood of them entering or attempting to enter the workforce in 2002.  Things like the housing market crash, oil prices, and the recessions are things that have been years in the making and were predicted before Bushs' presidency.

    However, when you think about the pointlessness of fighting a war on terror; he has actually been successful.  He even took on something as big of a mess as the middle-east.  A week ago reporters were starting to announce efforts in Iraq have actually been a success.  He has also been the best president for the environment and humanitarian effort.  He has also been successful on education.

    Lastly his approval rating has been the highest of any president as well as being low.  So like I said its good not to get dragged into the hype and look at whats really happening.  The news would rather publish a story of Bush eating a banana, then him helping save 3 million lives by sending food and water sources to starving places in Africa.

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  • SoulSurferSoulSurfer Member UncommonPosts: 1,024
    Originally posted by Briansho

    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    yes OP. you emphasized hussein which of course is a NO NO. you should have put more emphasis on other substance. than lastly, for good measure,point out his middle name being a muslim name of hussein.
    arent presidents of the USA announced by all three names when formerly announced, such as the state of the Union? i wonder if barack hussein obama will still want his middle name off limits once elected?
    interesting, i know.

     

    The way some people I know talk about Obama you would think his name is

    Barack Osama Mohammad Hussein Obama Bin Laden.



     

    I died a little inside.

  • ghostofspudsghostofspuds Member Posts: 47

    Well done cleffy, sort of... Bush only claimed such a high approaval rating due to the tragic circumstances of his presidency. Post 9/11 he took the logical actions that anyone in his boots would have taken, america demanded retribution and he gave it in the form of invasion. That is the reason for his high ratings. Now however he boasts the lowest in history. Worse than Nixon with Watergate, which is saying something because he was basically considered the biggest scum by many. George Bush is not only one of the Worst Presidents he is the Worst President. Worse than Buccanon, Pierce, and Harding. Those three often being considered the worst. Bush also goes far beyond the normal level of mistakes or slip ups whatever you want to call it. Besides he is the president isn't he? I think its fair to hold the single man with the most power in the country and perhaps the world to a higher standard. I do however agree that the media sucks. I myself refuse to watch more than the weather and that only if i am not nearby to a computer. The media sensationalizes and sells news that is sometimes so twisted it is impossible to discern the truth. Bush still is just not cut out to be a leader. That is a fact plain and simple.

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  • SoulSurferSoulSurfer Member UncommonPosts: 1,024
    Originally posted by ghostofspuds


    Well done cleffy, sort of... Bush only claimed such a high approaval rating due to the tragic circumstances of his presidency. Post 9/11 he took the logical actions that anyone in his boots would have taken, america demanded retribution and he gave it in the form of invasion. That is the reason for his high ratings. Now however he boasts the lowest in history. Worse than Nixon with Watergate, which is saying something because he was basically considered the biggest scum by many. George Bush is not only one of the Worst Presidents he is the Worst President. Worse than Buccanon, Pierce, and Harding. Those three often being considered the worst. Bush also goes far beyond the normal level of mistakes or slip ups whatever you want to call it. Besides he is the president isn't he? I think its fair to hold the single man with the most power in the country and perhaps the world to a higher standard. I do however agree that the media sucks. I myself refuse to watch more than the weather and that only if i am not nearby to a computer. The media sensationalizes and sells news that is sometimes so twisted it is impossible to discern the truth. Bush still is just not cut out to be a leader. That is a fact plain and simple.
    "She's a south Texas girl, Just like me"
    -The Illustrious Leader of The United States GWB



     

    Wrong.  The worst President was Carter.  Bush has nothing on Carter.  In fact if Carter wasn't such a Pussy, Bush probably wouldn't have had to deal with all the bullshit in the middle East today. 

  • ghostofspudsghostofspuds Member Posts: 47

    Oh i see so you are one of those "Dont be a pussy go kick some middle eastern ass and fuck around in other countries business. Alright i can concede that carter sucks, i forgot to add him to the list. Still though i would imagine that you still believe that there really was WMDs in Iraq and that Elvis owns a dry cleaners in Cleveland. I just cant comprehend how you can say Bush is a better president than anyone else in the hsitory of the United States, he has done little if anything right and hell he isnt even charismatic, half the time what comes out is nonesensical and he just doesnt even give the impression that he believes or knows what he is talking about.

  • xDarcxDarc Member Posts: 211

    I dont think the approval rating of congress means much.  Most people in such polls said they would vote to re-elect their own states congressmen...  so if everyone's individual congressmen ain't so bad...  you see where this is going.

  • SoulSurferSoulSurfer Member UncommonPosts: 1,024
    Originally posted by ghostofspuds


    Oh i see so you are one of those "Dont be a pussy go kick some middle eastern ass and fuck around in other countries business. Alright i can concede that carter sucks, i forgot to add him to the list. Still though i would imagine that you still believe that there really was WMDs in Iraq and that Elvis owns a dry cleaners in Cleveland. I just cant comprehend how you can say Bush is a better president than anyone else in the hsitory of the United States, he has done little if anything right and hell he isnt even charismatic, half the time what comes out is nonesensical and he just doesnt even give the impression that he believes or knows what he is talking about.



     

    Oh I see, so you are one of those bleeding-heart liberals.  Isn't it fun to judge people? 

  • ghostofspudsghostofspuds Member Posts: 47

    Bleeding Heart Liberal eh? No not so much as just a person with a decent brain in my head. I rarely go for the good of the world causes and in fact i hate welfare, but that doesnt mean i automatically am a warhawk looking to go kill everyone that looks crossways at me. Sometimes i wonder if theres any sense left in the common man.

  • Tuor7Tuor7 Member RarePosts: 982

    Bush is a worse president than Carter, and Carter wasn't a good president. Yes, Carter may not have been respected by some countries and people, but people didn't hold him in the same sort of contempt/feverish hatred that is held by many towards Bush.

    Carter had little to do with the economic conditions that occurred during his presidency, though he didn't do much to fix them. OTOH, IMO, Carter's worst actions were giving away the Panama Canal and the Iran Hostage Conflict.

    I don't think Carter would look so bad -- Ford wasn't exactly spectacular, either -- if Reagan didn't look so good after him.

    All in all, I think Carter tried to be a good president and do what was right for people, but was mistaken about how to go about it. Bush, OTOH, I think could care less about doing what is best for the country or for anyone in it besides his wealthy/powerful "friends". I think Bush will ultimately be seen as having done far more harm to this country than Carter in his 4 years of office ever did.

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

    Wow, you guys are far ahead of me in thinking about this. I am still stuck trying to figure out how Berliners are going to vote in the November elections, and how many votes the Dali Llama's endorsement translates into. Unless of course, someone is seeking to add the Dali Llama to the ticket as his vice presidential choice. Do the Berlin precinct results come in before those in Tibet? Will they reflect Obama taking an early lead on election day? Or is McCain's lead in Tibet more important?

    My head is still spinning over the possibilities of both the candidates latest political moves........

    Brilliant Pinky, absolutely brilliant.

     

  • ghostofspudsghostofspuds Member Posts: 47

    Ya Carter was no angel but Bush is by far an inferior president. Especially when he follows up someone as awesome as Clinton (If anyone reads this it should get exciting), granted Clinton wasnt perfect. But for the most part if you ask someone about Clinton the first thing they got to is Slick Willy's well ahhh.... Slick Willy in the Oval Office. So basically most people have no reason to hate him other than saying that he is a liberal and because of things that happened in his personal life. I mean i am all for holding the president to high moral standards but its not like he comitted murder or killed thousands of americans by sending them to fight for the pocket books of his rich friends. Besides to people really think that Clinton was the first president to have a mistress. I mean seriously? We had Kennedy... Not to mention most men of power around the world do have mistresses a number of them quite openly. But i digress a little bit. Bush still sucks, for the most part always had always will.

  • BodyBuilderBodyBuilder Member Posts: 176

    Politics and religion.

    Two things that shouldn't be brought up in a public forum.  Just a thought.

    How did Bush get re-elected one asked?  Usually when there is a war going on, the same President is re-elected.

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306

    Congress (all of them) has been lingering on a single digit approval rating for some few months now. This is for several reasons, most specifically because they haven't gotten shit accomplished. The democrats (specifically) in congress receive disapproval because they haven't drafted and sent legislation up and forced the hand of Bush. We all know that the republicans aren't going to allow any serious changes in current policy, but the democrats could have passed bills by narrow margin and forced a veto or Bush's now infamous 'signing statements'. They chose not to do such a thing and for that they should be scorned. Taking the easy way out and giving up is no solution. We are all counting down the days until W boot scoots back to Texas. However, it is not acceptable for congress to throw their hands in the air during the interim.

     

    If congress really wanted to lift their approval rating they would move forward with impeachment proceedings. I won't be satisfied until these criminals, that have hijacked our nation, have been brought to justice.

  • BushMonkeyBushMonkey Member Posts: 1,406
    Originally posted by ghostofspuds


    I am writing this using our country simply as it makes things easier and more fluent. Sorry if it is an akward read for none US citizens.
    Let us be frank here people. For, approaching, the last 8 years our country has been run by a buffoon. This early primate resembling fellow being none other than George W. Bush, the second leader of our country in the Bush lineage.  Our current leader is none short of incompetent, and sadly nothing has been done about it. The man can in fact barely form a coherent sentence, and all one has to do to see this is watch a video on you tube, read one of thousands of "Bushisms" or tune into any late night talk show. He is so ill equiped to lead i doubt he could lead a group of lemmings off a cliff let alone should he be aloud to lead the, at the moment, juggernaut country of the world...
    The true question remains though... What kind of country is it where we would re-elect a man after he so obviously was failing at his job? What would drive people to vote in this slack-jawed Crawford native? Why would more people not be able to break the mold and reach out for something new and well for lack of a more fitting word... Better. The state of peoples awarness on issues and ignorance as to actual national importance of some issues as opposed to silly issues that people worry about  *cough* *cough* Gun-Reblicans and the Religous Right. People and now i speak of all kinds, so afraid to vote in somebody who is different simply because they are afraid or simply cannot give up on an issue. A single bloody issue. Why would you base who you vote for on a single issue? This simply makes no sense. It is equivalent to saying "The only way i will buy a car is if it has 12 cupholders because i simply can live with no less". Silly. At best. The presidency has thus been shamed and made a mockery of (although it has been this way forever) by those who would simply seek to gratify their own needs without a thought to what could be accomplished through some small degree of cooperation. Isnt that the point of a government like ours? People coming together and sacrificing for the greater good, giving up on some points to advance the state of things as a whole.
    The presidency is a sad state of affairs. The upcoming elections i suppose hold some hope, but both candidates still draw essentially large groups of single issue voters swarming to get their voices heard in the grand scheme of things. There just isnt much hope in sight. What will it take to make people realize what must be done, nay what has to be done.

     I am curious, what has to be done? Just asking for your honest opinion on the matter? How do you see it.



     

  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662
    Originally posted by Wolfenpride


    Ill never understand how bush got elected twice either
    If people want to elect someone to lead the country to the ground, then so be it :)



     

    You want to know how Bush got elected twice?  Just look at who his opponents were.  That should clear things up a little bit.

  • ghostofspudsghostofspuds Member Posts: 47
    Originally posted by BushMonkey


     I am curious, what has to be done? Just asking for your honest opinion on the matter? How do you see it.



     



     

    OK now i admittedly dont have all the answers, probably dont have many answers at all, but as to what has to be done... I am not entirely sure, but it has to be something to the tune of a large overhaul of the way things are done; probably not actual legal movements but rather something more in the hands of the people, legislatures, and government officials of all types, a sort of cooperation that tends to create more harmonious outcomes and less waste on a number of levels. Soooo much time is wasted in the government due to the inability of the people there to ever look past silly differences and get things done.

    NOW... I realize that this is highly idealistic and the fact that i just wrote it scares me a little bit, but i do believe that what the US needs is a large overhaul of the system. Change in peoples attitudes and a change in the way so called public servants operate. So i guess i hope i can answer the question best by saying that as a country we need to stop screwing around and get moving before we fall to pieces and lose any cohesivness. The division in the US is striking, always has been and sadly most likely always will be (see Civil War, which if you think was about slavery then you probably should find something else to read because you probably dont have the education to comprehend this).

    I know im rambling and still being vague but like i said i dont really have answers just trying to incite new thought and the potential for new ideas. Sorry if i failed to answer

     

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    It's true that Carter was the single worst president in the history of this nation.  Carter makes Bush II look like T.R..

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  • ghostofspudsghostofspuds Member Posts: 47

    Wow lol Bush look like TR... Wow ummm... No is about all i can say to that one man. Carter was probably in the bottom five but to make bush look like one of the top five, now that is overstepping boundries. Foolish statements by foolish people, nothing more.

     

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    -GWB

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