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New York Game Rating Legislation
kazryn
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http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/new-york-game-law-unconstitutional-/1232102
Like I need to stake a claim for any support in these forums.. but man does this shit piss me off beyond belief.
I turned on the TV the other day, on regular cable television and happened to turn on CSI: Miami. I became witness to 6-7 young kids with their hands bound behind their backs, gagged and blindfolded, being executed via gunshot to the back of the head. One by one, crying and screaming. I flicked the channel and I was watching an 'infomercial' about a fabulous weight loss supplement, for a low low price of 19.95, plus Shipping and Handling.
Then you can walk into any normal movie rental store and rent some of the sickest, twisted and vilest crap ever to be seen by human eyes, via so-called film.. and there are many of those. Yet, these fools must crusade against video games, for reasons yet unknown to me.
This is unconstitutional, main reason being that its on the backs of those who pay tax. This shoddy crap of a ruling suggests a new forced rating system on top of the already existing one. One that works quite well in my humble opinion. So why do they do this? Why do these crusaders continually try to disrupt my hobby, one that I enjoy, one that allows me to experience some of the most beautifully rich stories and adventures that I will never find in any book, or in any movie? I don't know, so I would like you to discuss.
/rant
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Well, the law just tries to enforce parental controls.
-Age ratings on all games.
-Parental locks on consoles.
-Research on the effects of minors exposed to violence.
Unless there is more legislation I didn't read about, I see nothing wrong with this really.
I'm getting tired of people pointing to the constitution as the holy grail of wisdom and as an excuse to let their kids watch murders / horror / rapes, w/e in the name of freedom. GTA is a good example of this.
I'm sorry but I see nothing wrong with this legislation.
My point of all this is fairly simple. Wasted time, wasted money and meaningless blame.
We're talking people trying to lay blame on video games for violent crime. If anyone is willing to believe this, then I present you with this:
The crusades. Mass suicide. Child sacrifice. Genocide. In the name of, religion. More people have been killed in the name of God and the Bible (Insert any religious text) than any other medium ever conceived in the history of man.
Ahh, so the answer must be that these people are simply crazy and delusional. So their actions are limited to their inherent disability.. religion has no effect on them. No, sir.. golly gee whiz, it surely don't have any effect.
^ So to believe that, you have to believe it to be true for any medium. Book, movie, game or sport, etc.
Games don't cause violence, people cause violence. The only thing that forces your hand, is your own self, nothing more.
"I'm getting tired of people pointing to the constitution as the holy grail of wisdom and as an excuse to let their kids watch murders / horror / rapes, w/e in the name of freedom. GTA is a good example of this."
I'm also quite sick of people pointing out GTA as the sole representative of all games. "A good example of this.." A good example of what? The game is rated mature, it should be treated as such. Also, last time I checked, I was pretty sure that Censoring rights and free speech was abusing the constitution. How do you call GTA an abuse of the consitution when it is you who abuses your own rights, blindly.
Ok, this is where you loose me and where people are going overboard.
It's an age limit on explicit sexual and violent content.
Tell me what is wrong with this from a pragmatic standpoint. Nothing as far as this legislation goes.
People using the constitution for arguments sake to overule any legislation every single time in the name of 'their freedom' while it's firstly not about personal freedom but about the welbeing of their children is something that I don't agree with.
The game ratings are in place. The only thing this is going to do is waste time and money. It will just burden the game companies and you the consumer as developers get the shackles.
I definitely agree with you that children should not be playing games like GTA and the like. Well, thats not anyone's fault other than the parents. Every store I go to checked my ID for mature games when I was younger, so it does work and it works just fine. We certainly don't need to attach a ball and chain to game studios because some people can't take the responsibility to monitor their children's lives.
these kinds of "laws" have been proposed and shot down all over the U.S. thus far and i dont think they'll ever hold water in a true court.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
That there are more pressing issues where one could devote time on than this I agree on.
I don't agree with every point you made, but I do understand where you're coming from.
Crusading against video game serves as much purpose as the fight against gay marriage.
Blaming video games for anything in society makes as much sense as blaming movies. If kids want to learn violence they just need to turn on CNN, unless people have actually forgotten that this world rolls from one war to another. The fact that it is the video games fualt your kid is violent in school, or your kid knows how to use a gun, or your kid is a sociopath who hog ties kids who call him "gay" and anally rapes them with the nuzzle of a shotgun before he kills them. God forbid it has something to do with the fact that this kid has psychological issues, and access to a rifle because of your piss poor parenting, no, it was that mission in grand theft auto 4 that gave him the inspiration and the tools to carry out his act of mental depravity. Damn those sick bastards at Rockstar games for damaging todays youth.
Seriously, if you are a parent reading articles like this and nodding your head in agreement, that video games are too violent and are to blame for the downfall of youths today, not only blamed, but taken to the extent that the government, and not YOU should be taking steps to raise your kid you need to be euthanized, or at the very least castrated, because people who think like that shouldnt be allowed to breed.
We have violent movies, violent video games, violent music. And if your kid isn't smart enough to know, what is just for entertainment, what is just words, what is just something to experience and not act out, then you fucked up and haven't given this kid enough parental input to help him develop a morale compus. Do you know what i would fight for instead of Ratings, Censorships and bans on video games.. equal charges for parents and kids when their kid walks into their school with berretta and blows away have his class room because dad thought the best place for the gun was under the kitchen sink. This is one of the few topics that actually piss me off just hearing it discussed.
Another I still find it ridiculous the way people rank things these days. These ESRB ratings have devolpers afraid to push the envelope. Look at age of conan as the prime example, first game to promise nudity, and sex and when the time came to deliver they back down, not only that they started patching the little nudity they did include.
It is amazing that people will accept rampant death, and wanton murder (that is what most grinding in mmo are, randomly killing animals and people for any minor reason given) but the idea of nudity and sex offends them. This stigma on sex in society is ridiculous, on the hierarchy of bad things, Sex trumps violence. Whether or not you want to see nudity and sex in a game is not the argument, but the fact that people are so morale against it, just shows what our values are today, procreation bad.. ending life, not good, but acceptable as long as we don't have to witness procreation. You may not agree with that last statement but if you look at how people get riled up at the thought of seeing sex or nudity in a game you will see there is subtle truth in the statement.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Ok, this is where you loose me and where people are going overboard.
It's an age limit on explicit sexual and violent content.
Tell me what is wrong with this from a pragmatic standpoint. Nothing as far as this legislation goes.
People using the constitution for arguments sake to overule any legislation every single time in the name of 'their freedom' while it's firstly not about personal freedom but about the welbeing of their children is something that I don't agree with.
Last time i checked, anyone who doesnt meet the age requirement to see sexual content or violence usually cant afford to buy it themselves. If you personally feel a game is to violent, then dont buy it for them. These age limits just further allow for parents to distance themselves from their primary duties of being proactive in their kids lives by letting the goverment do it for them.
And if they are downloading the games, make an effort to find out what they are interested in, what they are playing, if you dont know what your kids are playing, what your kids are doing or what your kids enjoy doing, it is not societies job to find out for you, nor is it societies job to protect them for you.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Personally? I think the government a'la the Law should primarily butt out of the whole video game spectrum. If you're not going to let your child watch a violent action movie. DON'T let them play Grand Theft auto.
I personally think that the government should hold parents responsible. If the kid breaks the law.. not only does the kid pay.. but the parent too. After all, who raised the kid? The parent.
It's not the stores fault or the game developer's fault when a kid gets his hand on Leisure suit Larry or Grand Theft Auto. It's the parent's fault. Who bought the game and gave it to the child? Certainly not the store shop keep. I've heard "Well my child gave the money to an older friend and he bought it for him."
Okay, two things. 1) Maybe you should check and see who your child is hanging out with. If Timmy is 13 and the kid who bought it is 18... that doesn't seem right. 2) It's not Electronic Art's fault that your OWN child went behind your back, defying you completely and still obtained the game. It's YOURS.
Parents need to take more effort into their child's raising. I don't mean total dictarian control.. but I mean actually caring and watching what your child see's and interacts with. You wouldn't let your child play with a glock, so why give him a video game that exhibits shooting? If they're not old enough to grasp the concept, it's not for them.
If you don't respect the fact that your child has to go out into the world and interact with it based on what YOU taught him, then you should be punished. Not just your child.
and with that, I think the current ESRB rating is just dandy. I get IDed whenever I go into a game store and purchase an M/16+ game.. I'm old enough, and it can be a hassle.. but you know what? So be it. I can still play the game, and all I have to do is flash my ID for it. No extra cash, and no more than 5 extra secons.
Everquest - 2000 - '02
Anarchy Online - '01-'02
Earth and Beyond - '02-'04
Star Wars Galaxies - '03-'06('07)
World of Warcraft - '04-'07
Age of Conan - '08 - shelved.
-Waiting on-
Star Trek Online
SW: The Old Republic
New York became the latest state to enact legislation enforcing video game age ratings with the signing of a new bill by the state's governor
New York is a state, not a church. The governor signed it, not a bishop.
@OP, that article had nothing to do with religion! So please, take your anti-religious bashing elsewhere.
If you're going to have an argument or debate or whatever, at least try to stick to the main article and what's being reported.
If people are so vehemently against this, guess what, start your own protests and try to stop it. Coming here complaining, and going off on a rant, sure isn't helping.
Makes me glad i am not american to be honest. There are so many reason to be against this, and very few to be for it, but you kind of choose to say nothing, because posting on a forum, revolving around gaming is a form of protesting.
Unless you meant that picketting nonsense, and doesnt put food ont eh table. The only people who have time to to do that are the same people who have time to make petitions to start stupid laws like this. Cant tell my boss im taking days off to protest...
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Things like this are all about getting and keeping power. The political parties need a subject to way in front of the people and say " this is bad , we need to do something about it". Most of the time they just keep on waying it infront of people and never do anything about it , just to keep the problem so they can keep waying it around to say they are the ones to fix it. It is a typical political tactic , owning the problem and keeping it a problem so that you can say that your party is the right one to fix it .
Personally I think anyone who uses "to protect my children" argument should have their children instantly taken away from them, because if you are unable, or unwilling, to protect your own children yourself then you do not deserve them.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Gotta love it when politicians pass laws for their own political benefit, to "force" companies to do what they are already doing.
You know, I think we really need legislation that makes it legally mandatory to breathe, at least once every minute. We need to protect our children from the insidious scourge of breath-holding.
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Politicians in this country have become a joke and the blight of this country. No longer a country for the brave and the free, but a nation of the incompetent and whiers (especially a lot of the parents nowadays who can't seem to do their jobs right and force everything on everybody else so no one will point the fingers at them)
New York is dominated by Democrats.
Democrats believe in government having a larger hand in guiding our lives.
When government has a hand in something, government will try to control and restrict.
Just wait until they have a hand in your healthcare and tell you your benefits will be restricted unless you stop smoking, stop drinking, and lose some weight.
It's all very simple and predictable, really.
Your healthcare should be restricted, whats the point of wasting funds ona person actively poisoning themselves.
Seperating democrat from the other goverment factions is just a method of deluding yourself, they all plan on doing exactly the same thing, the only difference is, the democrats will tell you in advance they plan on doing it.
The republicans will do it, and if they get caught, then they will try to explain it.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Ok, this is where you loose me and where people are going overboard.
It's an age limit on explicit sexual and violent content.
Tell me what is wrong with this from a pragmatic standpoint. Nothing as far as this legislation goes.
People using the constitution for arguments sake to overule any legislation every single time in the name of 'their freedom' while it's firstly not about personal freedom but about the welbeing of their children is something that I don't agree with.
Last time i checked, anyone who doesnt meet the age requirement to see sexual content or violence usually cant afford to buy it themselves. If you personally feel a game is to violent, then dont buy it for them. These age limits just further allow for parents to distance themselves from their primary duties of being proactive in their kids lives by letting the goverment do it for them.
And if they are downloading the games, make an effort to find out what they are interested in, what they are playing, if you dont know what your kids are playing, what your kids are doing or what your kids enjoy doing, it is not societies job to find out for you, nor is it societies job to protect them for you.
Generally I agree that laws like this allow parents to distance themselves. However there is a very good argument that say, "It takes a whole society to raise a child. If the parent is not doing their job then the state must step in and do it for them. How many people here believe that parents are doing their job when it comes to regulating what their children see, watch, play until they have shown the maturity to and intelligence to be able to look at it somewhat rationally.
Venge Sunsoar
The reason I brought up religion is because I was trying to prove a point. I am not anti-religious and I do sincerely apologize that it did seem like I was doing just that.
However, what I was trying to do was show an example of how people take video games way out of context and saying it influences people to do bad things. When in fact, religion has acted as that medium more than anything I can think of. Religion does not influence people to do these things, nor do video games, it is the person themselves and their obvious mental stability.
Though, it is okay for the government supported media to get on the TV and tell me who I should hate, and tell me who my enemies are. All in the name of some politician's interest? There are greater problems at hand.
I don't see what all the fuss is about. I was playing GTA III at the age of 10 and I haven't gone crazy or tried to kill anybody. I've seen far more violence on television and movies than anything else.
First off, when constructing a debate or argument, you take premises (article in question here) and form them in a logical progression as to paint a picture (the picture you're trying to express).
Second, you may or may not use analogies, as the OP did, to reinforce one or more of the aforementioned premises stated to 'cement' the point of view. All of this to bring it to conclusion.
Religion in those days had ultimate say in what transpired in society, it only got extricated from rule less than one hundred years ago. Sorry, but it's fact, but it doesn't make the OP or you wrong in being religious, it just was.
As for the discussion about the article...I am for and against it. I hate seeing the powers that be decide for us what is 'good' for all, yet I also see too many people not choosing for themselves, or their children, the proper choices (of course each's definition of what is moral or right notwithstanding) that they do need 'guidance' .
Though, I've rarely seen a kid not wanting something more when it's not 'allowed' or restricted.
Look its like this, It takes a village is just a saying, and us other villagers don't like being involuntarily deputized to take care of other peoples children, what happened to parents telling kids somethings are for children and somethings are not? Is it so much of a stretch that instead of taking over for parents we feel are doing a poor job that we actually take those parents and make it mandatory that they take a class or something along those lines before you superimpose your moral objections on to society as a whole.
And by the way, when do we decide a parent isn't doing their job, is letting kids playing violent video games and seeing nudity considered bad parenting, or is it more of a morale objection different for every person based on their belief. When my kid gets old enough to tell the difference i don't plan on sheltering him from the violence and the nudity found on tv and video games, why because that is life, We don't live in a no violent world so trying to keep our kids from seeing it for the first 18 years of their life is just an asinine parade of delusion that will eventually damage the kid more then it helps in the long run. Id prefer to explain it to him myself then let him experience it on his own for the first time with know actually way of putting it together and understanding what he is seeing.
I will have to stay away from the religious comments in this thread as that is another storm in itself... i personally believe religion is the biggest, and most elaborate farce orchestrated and maintained by mankind since the begining of modern civilization. And the single greatest driving factor behind every major conflict known to date, from racial beliefs too most, if not all major wars. ~ but thats another topic.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I'm not just taking about "religion in those days". I'm talking about right now, when someone goes off the wire and kills in the name of god. Did god have him do this? Of course not. Yet, this happens on almost a daily basis, people using it as a medium. Like I said before.. it is only the person at fault, it has nothing to do with any 'medium', be it games, movies, books, religion or peer influence.
I was merely trying to cite an example of why it is ludicrous to assume games, or anything for that matter, can cause someone to "grow up violent". It is nonsense.