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WoW is more enjoyable than EQ2
delete5230
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To start with I'm not a major fan of World of Warcraft, but in the past few years I find myself referring back to it after giving other MMO's a good shot. I've played most all the popular ones and found D&D Online believe it or not to be my next choice as I love dungeon crawling and it's the most fun aspect of any mmo.
Last year I played EQ2 for just one month, it was ok but my server was dead and soloing was hard so this game found it's way on my shelf of other bad games. With Sony giving two months of free play for June and July I decided to give the game another shot, this time I went in with a positive and very social attitude and this worked for most all of the free two months. but then I had to go out of town for a few days and just can't seem to log back in for the last few days.
So anyway I'll give my reasons why EQ2 is not as user friendly as WoW.
Population on all servers is much lower on all servers in EQ2, I live on the east coast and most all players begin to log on around 8 or 9 PM. My large guild schedules all their events for 9 pm thats just too late to start for me. I sometimes like to play in the morning but the game has a very low population and servers go down every morning for maintenance, some would say this is better than all day on Tuesday but for morning players you can kiss grouping goodbye. WoW I can rally a party at any time from 5 am to midnight at all levels.
WoW has way more dungeons, at any level I would have a choice of at least 3 at any given time, EQ2 has for the most part 1, and for me I get tired of doing the same one for 5 or 6 levels. I could give facts on this issue but it would make this post even longer.
Maps in EQ2........ Like come on ! I have to use 3 or 4 web sites to put together a half decent map, and same with dungeons. I have the Echoes of Faydwer pack, and it only comes with a topo map of this area alone, YES that's all I got with this game !, also not even a game manual, I had to go to the web site to get that. WoW is BY FAR BETTER FOR MAPS and it's hard to explain why. It just is, and if you played both you would have to agree.
Solo and leveling....If you sometimes play by your self, your for the most part screwed. I played a templar ( healer ) and only lasted 10 levels and everyone in game told me it's way to hard to solo. Maybe if you had alts. and a lot of starter gold it could be better.
My Level 36 Bruiser was much much better, I was able to make some good money in Dungeons and I was packing with good armor and weapons, but soloing was still hard, here is an example: Level 30 you can do Enchanted lands but from 30 to 35 you can't get very far from the beach as you get randomly attacked by 6 or 7 mobs and you just can't do anything about it. To me this is not about fun or skill. Zek is no better, and it's the same for every zone this is only an example. WoW lets you have a large area to quest at a single level. WoW gives you 3 or more choices than just 2 for each level.
Graphics........WoW better world without zoning. EQ2 better characters and mobs but more zoning and loading, I would take world graphics over characters any day as i don't care what I look like. so I would put my money on WoW.
Chat ....... I like WoW's point and click method over EQ2's typing full name method. It's just easier.
PvP..... EQ2 only has one server and it's dead so forget PvP. WoW is well designed for both open world and battle grounds, I just love WoW's battle grounds !
WoW I'll have to give it a 9
EQ2 gets a 5
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I do and I agree with him.
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All though I do like EQ2 over WoW.
Alpha testing Ultima Online was my first MMORPG.
To the OP, thank you for your OPINION. You do know it is only your opinion not some universal truth, and not even really a majority opinion. Thank you for sharing, I'm sure you can find the cancilation button to EQ2 and the subscrib buttont to WoW on your on.
Geeash just wasted another 5 mins of my life that I'll never get back. Still I have no one to blame but myself for reading these posts.
I played EQ2 for quite a while (6-9 months), and have been playing WoW for about 2 months now.
As of right now WoW beats the crap out of EQ2 for fun - for me. EQ2 is good, but something about it just annoyed me, possibly the forced teaming at later levels. I dunno, but I find EQ2 as one of the very few mmos I could not see myself EVER going back to.
After 7-12 months I might be saying the same thing about WoW, but only time will tell that. As of right now I'm having a ball.
And no EQ2 was not my first game, not by a long shot. I've been playing mmos since ~2001. So please don't say I just like WoW because I'm new :P
My god has horns.... nah, I don't think he is real either.
Actually, given the subscription numbers I would say that it *is* a majority opinion.
Personally I think both games have their positive points. But then I'm neither a fan boi nor a basher.
Actually, given the subscription numbers I would say that it *is* a majority opinion.
Personally I think both games have their positive points. But then I'm neither a fan boi nor a basher.
I think we just need to remember that the EQ series attract different type of gamers than WoW. Enjoyable to WoW players is everything handed to them on a plate, whereas in EQ1 and 2, they like to work for their rewards/accomplishments. Thats my opinion anyway.
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Actually, given the subscription numbers I would say that it *is* a majority opinion.
Personally I think both games have their positive points. But then I'm neither a fan boi nor a basher.
I think we just need to remember that the EQ series attract different type of gamers than WoW. Enjoyable to WoW players is everything handed to them on a plate, whereas in EQ1 and 2, they like to work for their rewards/accomplishments. Thats my opinion anyway.
Yes. I agree, they are two different games and thus the people that would pick one over the other would pick them for different reasons. Seems obvious to me.
I won't go so far as to say why people pick one MMO over the other as there are a LARGE number of factors that figure into someone's choice such as social circles, population, immersion, difficulty, role playing, PvP, etc., etc., etc. And if I did I certainly wouldn't try to slant it with a tone of superiority.
But that aside, I agree, it's clearly different reasons and the majority of people prefer the reasons that WoW gives them. So my point stands.
Personally, I have played both and then some and see positive aspects in each, none of which are the reasons you gave.
But, for what is clearly a baiting post anyway... meh. I just had to jump in and correct a mistatement because sometimes my feeling of correction from being a Dad and an ass kicks in
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
Actually, given the subscription numbers I would say that it *is* a majority opinion.
Personally I think both games have their positive points. But then I'm neither a fan boi nor a basher.
I think we just need to remember that the EQ series attract different type of gamers than WoW. Enjoyable to WoW players is everything handed to them on a plate, whereas in EQ1 and 2, they like to work for their rewards/accomplishments. Thats my opinion anyway.
So your opinion is that WoW players seek instant gratification while EQ2 players are manly men who work for a living. If you had some balls, you'd actually come out and say that you think EQ2 players are simply better people than WoW players, which is your actual opinion.
Actually, nah. Lets use your definition of work here. In WoW, there is plenty of the monotonous, mind-numbing grind that people like you call work. Killing hundreds or thousands of mobs for rep grind once quests run out. Spending several nights each week doing the same dungeons over and over, just in the faint hope that some piece of gear on a 10% drop rate finally drops, and you finally win the roll. Each chance at that piece of gear takes a few hours to reach, but meh, easy peasy.
Here's a hint. WoW took a page from the original Everquest. The endgame is mostly endless dungeon/raid grinding. Most guilds never really complete it because the ante is always upped before they have the latest and greatest on full clear. The number of guilds that stays ahead of the game on any one server can usually be counted on one hand. I guess you think they are the only ones to queue up in the line to get their free rewards handed to them, rather than the only ones who put in the time and effort to get that stuff.
Anyway, since you will hide behind the reflex defense I know you are typing up right now ( Stupid WoW fanboi, lolololol ), I'll lower myself to actually sharing my opinion with you.
I like both games.
Both games have many options for casual players who just want a fun game.
Both games have many options for obsessive-compulsive endgame grinders who value virtual achievements over fun, no matter how much real time it takes to get them.
That's my opinion, anyway. Woot, now I can't be called on my outright insults, since I said that.
I've played wow and eq2 both quite extensively. Generally I find eq2 more fun to play. I'm not big on the pvp scene so that doesn't matter to me much. eq2 has more areas, more dungeons and more to do then wow and with the ability to mentor the game is kinda level independent for grouping. As opposed to wow where every dungeon is done by a high lvl person that just powers you through it. The quests in eq2 are generally better as well. Especially in some of the newer starting zones.
I'd say that I prefer eq2 to wow pretty much across the board. In looking through the points above I'd also disagree with just about every point you made. So it seems to me like maybe you went into it biased by I can't see why someone would lvl to 36 if they weren't interested in the game. Seems like you missed the whole feydark area also since you don't mention it.
I don't know, I just gotta say I disagree....
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i agree with you.
EQ2 has always had, and still has some extremly big irritations..
these is my main irritations, that made me switch to wow as my main mmo in 2005.
1. the avatar looking at people automaticly.
2. cant take the weapons out when out of combat.
3. To mutch light effects.
4. All classes feels the same.
5. Extremly bad UI
And im not defending wow, i dont play eather of these games.. have played 3 chars in wow to 70 and 2 chars in eq2 to 80.. and if i whas forced to play one of these games again, i would pick WOW, and the reason for that is the PVP..
LOL, good post /thumbsup
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
Yes. I agree, they are two different games and thus the people that would pick one over the other would pick them for different reasons. Seems obvious to me.
I won't go so far as to say why people pick one MMO over the other as there are a LARGE number of factors that figure into someone's choice such as social circles, population, immersion, difficulty, role playing, PvP, etc., etc., etc. And if I did I certainly wouldn't try to slant it with a tone of superiority.
But that aside, I agree, it's clearly different reasons and the majority of people prefer the reasons that WoW gives them. So my point stands.
Personally, I have played both and then some and see positive aspects in each, none of which are the reasons you gave.
But, for what is clearly a baiting post anyway... meh. I just had to jump in and correct a mistatement because sometimes my feeling of correction from being a Dad and an ass kicks in
No you are wrong, sorry I wasn't trying to bait anyone. I played WoW about 2 years ago got a Warrior to level 60. It was fun, I got my moneys worth,however the end game of nothing but raiding wasn't for me (IMO). I also play EQ2. I prefer EQ2 but then I don't go posting that "EQ2 is more enjoyable the WoW" Its all OPINIONs and as such is subjective. I'm sorry to see you believe that people should post their OPINION's as some kind of ultmate truth/fact, and that you as a "Dad" felt you had to defend such stances, and yes as soon as I posted I knew someone would have to jump in to defend WoW with its higher subscription numbers. Weird thing was I didn't say anything negative about WoW, (we could go round and round about lower system requirements, or subscription prices in the asian countries but thats not really the point.) but hell if it makes you feel better as a "Dad" you go tiger!
Tell you what if it makes you happy, and stops you from saying I'm baiting you or some other such sillyness I'll say the OP is totally correct. I'm a minority and WoW is just totally so much better then EQ2. there is that better?
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"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
Yes. I agree, they are two different games and thus the people that would pick one over the other would pick them for different reasons. Seems obvious to me.
I won't go so far as to say why people pick one MMO over the other as there are a LARGE number of factors that figure into someone's choice such as social circles, population, immersion, difficulty, role playing, PvP, etc., etc., etc. And if I did I certainly wouldn't try to slant it with a tone of superiority.
But that aside, I agree, it's clearly different reasons and the majority of people prefer the reasons that WoW gives them. So my point stands.
Personally, I have played both and then some and see positive aspects in each, none of which are the reasons you gave.
But, for what is clearly a baiting post anyway... meh. I just had to jump in and correct a mistatement because sometimes my feeling of correction from being a Dad and an ass kicks in
No you are wrong, sorry I wasn't trying to bait anyone. I played WoW about 2 years ago got a Warrior to level 60. It was fun, I got my moneys worth,however the end game of nothing but raiding wasn't for me (IMO). I also play EQ2. I prefer EQ2 but then I don't go posting that "EQ2 is more enjoyable the WoW" Its all OPINIONs and as such is subjective. I'm sorry to see you believe that people should post their OPINION's as some kind of ultmate truth/fact, and that you as a "Dad" felt you had to defend such stances, and yes as soon as I posted I knew someone would have to jump in to defend WoW with its higher subscription numbers. Weird thing was I didn't say anything negative about WoW, (we could go round and round about lower system requirements, or subscription prices in the asian countries but thats not really the point.) but hell if it makes you feel better as a "Dad" you go tiger!
Tell you what if it makes you happy, and stops you from saying I'm baiting you or some other such sillyness I'll say the OP is totally correct. I'm a minority and WoW is just totally so much better then EQ2. there is that better?
Actually, I was saying the OP was baiting. I also never implied that anyone's opinion was a truth or fact, just that a statement you made was incorrect. Nor did I defend either side. I also didn't say that you said anything negative about WoW. Actually, you had a negative tone about the people that played WoW... or at least that was the impression I (and others) got. As I do in this post. But, hey, condencending attitudes are cool. Keep at it and I'm sure you'll ding in that forum skill soon.
All very good points which is why i think many people say WoW is easier. Some players don't want to setup their UI, or mess with learning how to play classes that aren't as clear cut or even figure out what keys do simple things like draw weapons. This is all well and good as there is room in this world for many different play styles, including those that just want to start and play. (go zerg Go!)
Its just my main dislike when these players come and start posting incorrect information / opinions as fact / truth because they never bothered to ask, or read the manual / online help.
Actually, I was saying the OP was baiting. I also never implied that anyone's opinion was a truth or fact, just that a statement you made was incorrect. Nor did I defend either side. I also didn't say that you said anything negative about WoW. Actually, you had a negative tone about the people that played WoW... or at least that was the impression I (and others) got. As I do in this post. But, hey, condencending attitudes are cool. Keep at it and I'm sure you'll ding in that forum skill soon.
Ok, thought you were saying i was baiting the OP or some such. As to posting anything negative about the people playing WoW I think you had better go back and read my post again. I believe you are mixing me up with someone else. Only thing I did say in referance to WoW in my first post was that i was sure he'd be able to find the "EQ2 cancill button and the WoW subscrib button". Don't see how this would be offensive to players of WoW but if it was my apologies, as i'm m not here to get into a WoW flame feast.
Lastly we seem to see things in a different light. When someone says their posting to make sure something is corrected as they are a Dad. I see that as somewhat condencending, (I am 41 and have my own dad thatnk you.) I guess you don't see it that way in which case i must apologise once again for dropping to a level i had precieved you had started with.
In any case I'm off topic here
My apologies all.
How does EQ2 have any less hand holding than WoW? Eq2 is basically WoW with a minigame added to crafting and attack upgrades that can be looted or crafted.
EQ2 is the only SOE game that isn't complete crap, but it doesn't require any more skill or congnative thought to play than WoW. Why do so many EQ2 players suffer from the delusion that their game somehow is more advanced than WoW?
This game has slowly been NGE-ified over the last few years. It's pretty much solo till you raid now. The PvP server is about the only fun thing in this game anymore. Otherwise it is very very boring. Of course the PvP is fatally flawed with there being zones everywhere... but I digress...
If you look at it like a game such as Oblivion (offline RPG) it can keep you entertained for a while.
It's a close toss up to which game sucks more WoW or EQ2. I would have to say EQ2 because at least WoW does the raiding halfway decent.
This is a lie.
Everquest 2 has more dungeons than WoW ( or any game ), between 3-5 ( sometimes 6 ) per tier.
Can you tell me why you gave such wrong information about the game? Again, the number of dungeons is a reality, not just an opinion and if you really played EQ2 you know you just lied.
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Actually, given the subscription numbers I would say that it *is* a majority opinion.
Personally I think both games have their positive points. But then I'm neither a fan boi nor a basher.
I think we just need to remember that the EQ series attract different type of gamers than WoW. Enjoyable to WoW players is everything handed to them on a plate, whereas in EQ1 and 2, they like to work for their rewards/accomplishments. Thats my opinion anyway.
So your opinion is that WoW players seek instant gratification while EQ2 players are manly men who work for a living. If you had some balls, you'd actually come out and say that you think EQ2 players are simply better people than WoW players, which is your actual opinion.
Had some balls? are you thick? my opinion is what i posted. Did i upset you saying WoW players want everything handed to them on a plate? aww. You not read those general chat channels recently? its full of players asking for free gear, gold, boosts in dungeons, boosts in arena... thats why i think WoW players like everything handed to them on a plate. You need to think more before you get yourself all worked up and post.
Actually, nah. Lets use your definition of work here. In WoW, there is plenty of the monotonous, mind-numbing grind that people like you call work. Killing hundreds or thousands of mobs for rep grind once quests run out. Spending several nights each week doing the same dungeons over and over, just in the faint hope that some piece of gear on a 10% drop rate finally drops, and you finally win the roll. Each chance at that piece of gear takes a few hours to reach, but meh, easy peasy.
Here's a hint. WoW took a page from the original Everquest. The endgame is mostly endless dungeon/raid grinding. Most guilds never really complete it because the ante is always upped before they have the latest and greatest on full clear. The number of guilds that stays ahead of the game on any one server can usually be counted on one hand. I guess you think they are the only ones to queue up in the line to get their free rewards handed to them, rather than the only ones who put in the time and effort to get that stuff.
Time and effort? See this is my point. The majority of WoW players think that the game is a 2nd job. If its so much time and effort, maybe you need to be reminded what a game is all about. You get players that want it all handed to them on a plate and obviously you get those that like to play a lot to earn their equipment but like you said, the people who play a lot for their equipment can be counted on 1 hand. The majority of WoW players want it all from the very start. Why do you think theres thousands of accounts for sale? loads of private servers where people start with the best gear? Because the majority of the people in this game can not be bothered earning it themselves the proper way.
Anyway, since you will hide behind the reflex defense I know you are typing up right now ( Stupid WoW fanboi, lolololol ), I'll lower myself to actually sharing my opinion with you.
You assume a lot don't you. But again, your wrong. I was in bed, not typing, sorry to disappoint you. I don't think your a WoW fanboi either, i just think my post hit a nerve and you saw your ass. Have a tissue,
I like both games.
Me too.
Both games have many options for casual players who just want a fun game.
Correct.
Both games have many options for obsessive-compulsive endgame grinders who value virtual achievements over fun, no matter how much real time it takes to get them.
They do.
That's my opinion, anyway. Woot, now I can't be called on my outright insults, since I said that.
Ok then...
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page, and I find myself coming back to EQ2. WoW sucks. Go away. If you like WoW so much, go play it and leave the rest of the mature crowd to play a mature game.
Best post you've ever made on these forums, Cmobog. Keep it up.
Wow.
Uhm. . . I mean, not "Wow", but just Wow!
As in: "I can't believe he baited you all and you fed him!"
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