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Ryzom going F2P ?
Lobotomist
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basically they are going to allow players who where subbed before the game went down early ascess to the game for free untill the billing systems are in place, then the game will go back to being subscription.
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Scorpius is probably right and I agree with his/her interpretation, but the post isn't clear enough for 100% certainty.
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Are you a professional journalist? Cos the way you singled out small phrases out of a whole sentence to give what they said a completely different meaning is quite impressive :P
Our next step in the coming days will be to re-open the servers for free - a VIP access to all our former Homins to thank them for their patience (to be specific, all the players who had a paid account at the time of the closure of servers).
Reopening the servers for free is the VIP special access for former subscribers and it's one step in the reopening process.
Though personally I think there's something to be said for extending the existing free-to-play element of the game - maybe allow free-trial'ers to leave Silan and skill up to 100 before they need to subscribe. That scheme seemed to work quite well for Anarchy Online.
Lol err read the article ....
Are you a professional journalist? Cos the way you singled out small phrases out of a whole sentence to give what they said a completely different meaning is quite impressive :P
Our next step in the coming days will be to re-open the servers for free - a VIP access to all our former Homins to thank them for their patience (to be specific, all the players who had a paid account at the time of the closure of servers).
Reopening the servers for free is the VIP special access for former subscribers and it's one step in the reopening process.
Though personally I think there's something to be said for extending the existing free-to-play element of the game - maybe allow free-trial'ers to leave Silan and skill up to 100 before they need to subscribe. That scheme seemed to work quite well for Anarchy Online.
I didnt single out anything. I just didnt bother to copy and paste the whole text.
I have no idea what are new plans for Ryzom. And going with alternative payment model would not be
unlikely , since there is no way they can even hope to hold more than 1000 - 2000 subscription world wide.
Not unless they invest in game development. And i doubt they will do that
It's exactly what you've done, which is pretty plain to see.
There's absolutely nothing unclear about the original statement and certainly nothing to lend credence to your interpretation of those two singled out snippets which you've applied to the subscription scheme for the re-opened Ryzom - which they don't talk about all in their statement.
This is crystal ball territory.
Considering we don't even know who the new owners are we can't say anything about further development, new business model or anything. The only accurate info we have is that there's free time for people who were still subbed at the end, and the billing systems are coming back up some time after that.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's already free to download, why wouldn't they keep their monthly sub? They do have to make money somehow unless all they want to do is put up servers as is keep them stable and that's it. I sure hope not.
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I seriously doubt any further development will be put into Ryzom.
It is a great game, but it is way to late. Best we can all hope for is a company that keeps the servers and the game stable and running.
Too late?
Have you been following the mmo market lately?
Or maybe I should be asking - have you been keeping your crystal ball polished enough? :P
What I've seen, both from trying games when they're released and from reading other gamers' impressions at forums like these, is that they've all been pretty disappointing. They've all claimed to be "next gen" and tried to be different to lure players away from the monster we know as WoW. And they've all failed.
Ryzom is different now. There's nothing else like it on the market. A relatively small amount of strategic development ("polish" and developing the Ring) could seriously broaden this game's appeal.
And it's never been well advertised. It's essentially new to a lot of gamers.
Spiderweb International got a bargain when they picked up Ryzom. They'd be insane to do what you suggest.
In fact , i have been following MMO market lately
Ryzom in peticular - a great game that it is. Is also a game that had a planned set of functionalities , that were planed as original set of features. These features could arguably seen as crucial to the game . Still in all time with original development team they were never implemented. The company that took over Ryzom , didnt implement them aswell.
Now 4 years after original release, when game is slowly walking into area of OUTDATED, after two cancells, after most of players were estranged - do you really think investors will consider investing into renewed development ?
Most likely the game will be presented "As is" , perhaps some bug fixes will be made. But i wouldnt hold my breath for Kitin invasions.
Such game. Hardly justifies monthly fee.
Perhaps couple of thousand subs of most loyal players can net some profit to keep the game afloat...but thats it.
At this point , only smart thing to do will be going "Anarchy Online" way. Giving big part of the game for free.
And , i have good feeling that this is exactly what new owners will do.
- Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted.
- This is the first time Ryzom is free of debts and an overinflated development team.
- With people from Nevrax involved in Spiderweb, the new team will (hopefully) have learned from past mistakes and have a very good grasp of what Ryzom is and how it should be nurtured.
The above points are why I think you're being pessimistic, Lobotomist. You may think you're being realistic but a true realist considers all factors and weighs them relevantly.
I have considered negative factors as well - the age of the game, the effects of a bad release, poor management, and two liquidations, the way a typical investor would see Ryzom, the small playerbase, and the fact that for all their crying for "something different," most MMO players can't handle Ryzom's degree of difference.
But in this particular situation, the positive factors have a good chance to outweigh the negative ones and result in an outcome that would be favourable for Ryzom fans and the new team. Istaria and its team, Virtrium, have shown it to be possible and Istaria is an older, more dated-looking game than Ryzom with more major problems.
That said, it's going to take a lot of skill and care on Spiderweb's part. There is a chance of failure, potentially spectacular failure. I won't begin to guess which way this whole thing will actually go until I've seen them in action for about 3-6 months after the game servers go up.
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on August 13, 2008.
I am just pessimistic because i did follow MMO market for long time now. I dont believe in miracles anymore.
Ryzom is a good enough game , that sadly could have been awesome , but it fell somewhere in the middle of that process.
I think its to late now, to try an lift it up from that hole.
The time will tell
*Takes out her crystal ball*
I predict Ryzom will be one of the most popular games of 2009.
I predict Ryzom will be one the top PvE games in the market.
I predict Ryzoms next expansion will rock the gaming industry.
I predict the Rz will be improved and offer in-game rewards to participants.
I predict that I predict my return to Ryzom.
I believe that Ryzom is strong enough to stand on its own for the players who -are- looking for something different (and lets be honest, the game will never appeal to them if they aren't), especially with all the disappointments from releases in the past year or so, and the lack of any even remotely sandbox games coming down the pipeline.
The fact that the game has been shut down should be enough of a wake up call to the die-hard fans that they will take a much more proactive role this time around to advertise, educate, and encourage new players to join the game - particularly in overcoming any learning curve that will be experienced going from Silan to the mainland, which can be a pretty heavy one.
As long as the new owners are able to provide support (and hopefully get into the advertising game), I do think Ryzom has the potential to make a healthy recovery, but there is no mistaking that for the first months, possibly the first year, it will rely heavily on community activism.
I predict Ryzom will have a snowball effect and rapidly become the 2nd most popular MMORPG, caused by Ryzom players having had to play other games while Ryzom was down and when they return to Ryzom they bring their new friends with them, then their new friends bring their friends, etc....
Outdated?
Is AoC outdated?
I do not see AoC chars breathing. Ryzom mobs look and act much more lifelike than what I saw in AoC.
Ryzom was designed for much more computer than what was available when it first came out. I do not think anyone could come close to using full graphic settings back then.
The last time ryzom was working was pay to play based and the company went to bankrupt, so the new one better change something about the economic model or they will probably go the same way. I think it could probably work as a free to play with item mall or just with a low sub.
I don't think you've ever followed Ryzom before? Because those are some very simplistic conclusions...
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I hope Ryzom never becomes free to play. The monthly subscription is just fine as is. They could consider lowering it from $15 per month to say $12 per month but I do not see that making a difference. Either Ryzom is worth your time to play or it isn't
What it means is those who had active subcriptions before the servers where shot down can be the first to return to Ryzom, see what changes (if any where made), and play for free before the official game re-opens to the general public.
Lord I hope not. Besides item mall in ryzom isn't possible because all of the in-game items are made by the players and not PvM. Plus the monthly sub isn't the problem. What they need to learn is know which demographics Ryzom is attracting and advertize it. This game isn't for everyone but I know that if more gamers were aware of Ryzom they'd have more paying subs.
Clear.
If the fans dont want the game to go free to play , and strongly believe that game has no appeal outside selected few followers.
Than, perhaps it should not.
Anarchy Online subscription model would revive the game , and bring it into the limelight.
But perhaps this is not what you want.
Perhaps similar model to Horisons , with handfull of subscription players - but loyal ones , is best way for Ryzom to go ... until even the most loyal fans lose interest
What? You think I believe that!
No way, I believe Ryzom has wide appeal to millions of current MMORPG players.
Just what is your motivation for such a blatantly misrepresentation of Ryzom "fans" beliefs?
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on August 13, 2008.
He's playing a strange game of misdirection. Only one person in this thread has said that they don't want Ryzom free to play and none (other than himself) have said it has limited appeal.
Lobotomist made the "Ryzom is going free to play" leap from two isolated phrases in a media release which in fact said nothing about Ryzom's future subscription scheme.
Then he's gone on to suggest that going free to play is Ryzom's "only hope" because it is, in his view "outdated".
He is of course wrong, and that's what folk have been pointing out. To recap what's been said:
Right now, at this moment in time, a largely unknown four year old mmo of Ryzom's calibre has the potential to capture a sizeable share of the market.
Easy, he wants to play for free. That's the first thing that came to mind, because to be perfectly honest, and I always try to be, I thought about this too when I couldn't make up my mind to stay or try another new hotness (which turned out to be way boring). I'd play if it were free.... But that's not fair to the game and it deserves much better.
See my sig, in hindsight I would never had had such a though had I been a more experienced MMO player. Or at least come to the conclusion that nothing beats freedom in a gorgeous world.
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