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Honesty..it's great and all...but still....
mike470
General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396
I see all this praise to Mythic for being honest about the cutting of cities and classes. Don't get me wrong, it's great Mythic is telling the truth and all, but it's STILL AN INCOMPLETE GAME.
Being honest doesn't replace the fact that there are four cities and classes that will be missing from the game. And then saying they will be out in "post launch"...well how long is post launch? days, weeks, months, without four cities?
WEll, I'm sure there will be people saying "Butz Mikey, tehy will ahve everythin else in teh gaem!!" Well, isn't that what Funcom said? People weren't prepared for everything that wasn't in AOC...how do we expect WAR to be any different? Just because they said there won't be four cities in at launch doesn't mean everything else will be completed.
Being honest is great, and it is important in a company...but how many times will we hear this before release? What else might be cut that we don't know about? These are worries that flood my head as releaase comes closer and closer.
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WoW cut shit from its launch and added them later, case and point.
I would like to provide you facts and opinions to make you not worry, but i remember you being the same guy who argued that returning Vanguard players only got 5 free days of play time, when the Vanguard website said it was over a month.This tells me you do absolutely no research.
So ill give you some advice:
1) Read the Warhammer Alliance Forums
2) Watch the latest Developer videos on TenTonHammer
3) Read what Mark jacobs has said numerous times as to why the classes and cities were cut **from launch*
4) please update this post when you have finally seen the light
kthxbye.
WoW cut shit from its launch and added them later, case and point.
And someone else doing it makes it okay how....?
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Huh?
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Complete or incomplete is really defined by what a company originally claimed would be in the game. If they had never told anyone there would be 6 cities and 24 classes, then 2 and 20 wouldn't be a problem. This is not a question of the game being incomplete so much as not all the content ready yet. Incomplete would be like in AoC when feats did nothing, and there was no point to strength and stamina because it wasn't doing anything yet. There is a difference in my opinion.
Mythic just raised your expectations, and then lowered them and thats what this is all about. I wouldn't worry about it so much. If you trust mythic and they think that the game will be in a fun playable state with 2 cities, and they are going to make 4 of the classes much funner to play, then I would just enjoy the game and be excited for the NEW content that they will release. Up to you though....
Relax and take a deeeeep breathe.
Think about how much bigger they made the war in WAR if alot of people dont want to pick it up on launch day.
You're right, and all WAR fans (save the blind fanbois) agree that it sucks they are cutting the content. its just that after AoC it was really nice to see some honesty. and I personally think the cuts are a little different than the AoC cuts. Its more like leaving all 6 cities ingame, but not having any PvE content or sieges, just NPCs for buying/selling ect.
But yeah, no one LIKES the cuts, we all hate it, but I think I speak for most of us when I say we are still giving it a try because we think despite the cuts its still going to be a really nice game.
Hell, it seems the cities aren't the cut most people are crying about, the choppa seems like it had a bigger following.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I am worried, and I would love WAR to be all it's cracked up to be.
And you're correct, if Mythic never said there was six citites this wouldn't be a problem..but wouldn't this go for any game?
I won't be pre-ordering...I never do. But if WAR releases with everything else it promises, and can get the cities in within a month from release, I'll be playing
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Huh?
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187183
*hahaha*
WoW cut shit from its launch and added them later, case and point.
And someone else doing it makes it okay how....?
The thing is , one of your points is that "oh hey they did this and looked what happend" , Well the most successful MMO did it and did fine. What you are trying to do is define complete in a game genera that knows nothing of this word.
What you consider complete and what someone else is , is different.
For me its that the game is full of content from 1 - # and has fun end game. Your definition is delivering everything they have said they would have at launch.
We will hear this with every MMO untill money is not a factor in human society, so prob communisim would stop it .
Your making assumptions like the rest of us, some of us have more of a educated guess by where we look and the info we have found out and have based our opinion on that, from what i have heard is only good news beyond some bugs.
Huh?
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187183
A small error.
It happens
It was a month and five days, I probably read wrong.
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MMO's are huge man. These cuts are for the sake of the original vision becoming even greater. There's a lot to look forward to and the game is looking better everyday.
WoW cut shit from its launch and added them later, case and point.
And someone else doing it makes it okay how....?
The thing is , one of your points is that "oh hey they did this and looked what happend" , Well the most successful MMO did it and did fine. What you are trying to do is define complete in a game genera that knows nothing of this word.
What you consider complete and what someone else is , is different.
For me its that the game is full of content from 1 - # and has fun end game. Your definition is delivering everything they have said they would have at launch.
We will hear this with every MMO untill money is not a factor in human society, so prob communisim would stop it .
Your making assumptions like the rest of us, some of us have more of a educated guess by where we look and the info we have found out and have based our opinion on that, from what i have heard is only good news beyond some bugs.
I can't expect it to be prefect, you're correct.
I'm hearing mixed replies...some good some bad. more good than bad, actually.
It's just the one thing that gets me is: If they can't complete four cities at launch, what else can't they finish? You understand what I mean?
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The only difference i see is that instead of going to your race's home city to do stuff, your going to go to one city.
its not like people are going to be seiging capital cities at launch. Lets get used too how one city works and seige it to learn the ropes.
They will be lifting the NDA pretty soon I'm sure and then the beta testers can tell you what is up.
The cities being cut is pretty much a complete non issue from a gameplay standpoint, it is a lore thing. Do not expect those to be put in within a month though, there is no way they get added in under 3 months in my opinion.
The classes being cut stinks, especially the extra tanks. They stated they are working around the issue and you still have 20 classes to choose from so it isn't the end of the world or anything.
There is a beta, I'm in the beta, I played AOC and know what you are worried about, I pre-ordered WAR CE. That should all sum it up without breaking the NDA.
WoW cut shit from its launch and added them later, case and point.
And someone else doing it makes it okay how....?
The thing is , one of your points is that "oh hey they did this and looked what happend" , Well the most successful MMO did it and did fine. What you are trying to do is define complete in a game genera that knows nothing of this word.
What you consider complete and what someone else is , is different.
For me its that the game is full of content from 1 - # and has fun end game. Your definition is delivering everything they have said they would have at launch.
We will hear this with every MMO untill money is not a factor in human society, so prob communisim would stop it .
Your making assumptions like the rest of us, some of us have more of a educated guess by where we look and the info we have found out and have based our opinion on that, from what i have heard is only good news beyond some bugs.
I can't expect it to be prefect, you're correct.
I'm hearing mixed replies...some good some bad. more good than bad, actually.
It's just the one thing that gets me is: If they can't complete four cities at launch, what else can't they finish? You understand what I mean?
i understand what you mean, but on the same note you have to understand what a city in WAR means. IF you dont understand the massiveness of the city and what it has in it, the fact that its bigger then any city you have scene , it has to have 4 stages to take it down, it has to grow as more things are done, and all the other crap, also have 3 dungeons and a king..................... Its alot of content in the city.
On that same note, having 2 cities with this, is ALOT when ya think about it, and missing 4 others, will give us time to have fun with the first 2. Point is cities take alot of work from my understanding of them.
So you can look at it two ways,
1- It shows clearly didnt have enough time if it takes this much work put in to them
2- That the two cities we do have are infact even bigger then this and the rest will follow in suit.
Them not having cities is like WoW not having BWL at launch, not like ya didnt have to go through MC first anyway, would it bother you if it wasnt there. For this, People got to get to 40 and can have fun with these cities first.
This hits the subject SPOT ON. I completely agree with this. And so complaining about something that practically doesn't exist, i.e. the 4 other main cities is like complaining about not being able to spend monopoly money in RL. You will see them eventually, the current game is going to be so good you won't even notice them not being there, so buy the game and just enjoy what is complete and ready and fun.
I'm not in beta, but I did get a chance to play a small portion of the game here recently at one of its many public displays and this game is going to be AWESOME! I can't wait for it. I actually had a dream about it the same night, which rarely happens to me except on really good games.
After talking to one of the guys at the Comic-Con booth, he said something along the lines of the cities will still be in the game, but they will not be available for capture. He said that my wording "the cities will not be in the game" was not technically correct. But he didn't really seem to know anything at all so I don't know how true this actually is.
First of all, every MMORPG is incomplete by the very nature of the genre. I am not even talking about the additional content that is added post-launch, but the literally thousands of small tweaks made to virtually every aspect of the game. Just as things are subject to change during development, the game itself is subject to change when it goes live.
Secondly, no content was cut - planned content was cut, which is something entirely different. They did not take a single thing away from us that we already had. I do not think many games have ever been made in any genre for any system where the design document matched the end result perfectly. And, in this day in age, game companies are practically obligated to release plans and details throughout the development process, especially in the MMORPG genre, so these days we get to see the changes and we automatically yell, "Cuts! Cuts! OMFG cutzzzzzzzz!"
The alternative is Darkfall. Anyone want that sort of information flow? I doubt it.
At any rate, I am obviously not thrilled that my chosen career (KotBS) was removed from launch plans, and the 4 capital cities also being removed from launch is not great, either (though not nearly as bad as the careers, in my opinion). Still, I recognize game development is organic and things change. Ultimately, we get to decide with our money whether we are happy enough or not, so express it at the register. If the "cuts" bother you, do not buy it at launch, but rather wait the year or so it will likely take to get the content in that you want. If they do not bother you, buy it and be happy with the plethora of other content that is there.
Frankly, and my experience as a beta tester skews my perspective, this has not changed my mind regarding purchasing the game one bit.
Why do those additional classes and cities make the game complete?
Just because they were originally going to put them in?
Hmm..maybe they cut some things to polish the rest up better? Failcom not only left stuff out of their game, they didn't even have what was there in decent shape.
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Why do those additional classes and cities make the game complete?
Just because they were originally going to put them in?
Yeah, and until expansions come out for mmo's with new areas and classes they're incomplete too.
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You don't know what six cities would be like so how can you complain about two? What if these two are more than you'll ever want? Mythic aimed high but they landed a little lower. That's no problem. Practically every game does that, devs are humans too. Mythic never "promised" anything, they advertised them but people should have remembered that it was always beta and things could always change. You're right, Mythic has the decency to tell us so early, and that's important.
In your eyes it won't be complete at launch and that's fine. If Mythic never mentioned the four cut cities and classes you'd have a much different tone, like "20 classes! Damn, that's alot." If you're skeptical about the content coming in post-launch, by all means wait! No one is forcing you to miss out on the fun
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It's not like it was an easy decision, they were kind of in a rock and a hard place. They said one delay wouldn't be enough to make all six cities polished, it'd have to be two or more. That's practically another year. Can they really wait that long? No, not really. They have massive fortresses as placeholders where the cities used to be so the Elf and Greenskin campaigns aren't worthless.
It's up to you whether you expect the game to be like AoC or not. Honestly, no one will ever again pull a Funcom...if they want to remain a respected company. What's that little thing about learning from other people's mistakes...whaaat?
You do know that WAR was originally aiming for a June release, shortly after AoC, but they waited. Now they've had time to look at AoC's fail and learn from it.
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"Honesty..it's great and all...but still...."
"Honestly... is such a lonely word, but probably what you meant to say....
Honestly, is hardly ever heard...."
Sorry, couldn't help myself.