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No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Expecting a "perfect launch" and expecting what was advertised and paid for are too different things.
i'm sorry but the patches and performance/coding of Aoc has been horrific from the start, and it is sliding downhill fast. Patches are supposed to fix/balance/update the game more than creating more bugs, stealth nerfs and glitches. AoC was acutally ALOT better in the beginning then it is now.
No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Bash it or claim its's good, we both seem to be in the same boat, eh?
So by your reasoning the engineers who built my car may have got it all right but if the brakes fail because of design I should just be patient because they will get around to fixing them sooner or later, right?
You speak like the people on these forums, or just me, are morons and we don't think about things, just mash buttons and post things. Are you the all knowing one spoke of in the prophecies that was said would come and cure all the aoc haters of there rage and hate towards a pay to play beta?
Please, I look forward to your posts. And by the way, are you named Luskey on the aoc forums?
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If you are insulted by being called a fanboi it's a good bet that you are one
1. Using profanity is a shortcut to thinking.
2. People that use CAPS to get their point across, annoy the living hell out of me.
3. You're off to a great start. Keep it up!!
Gamer Plus+
Amazing.
I get bashed because i'm to politicly correct, and not trying to bash Funcom.
Then I get bashed back because i'm using the same tone that everybody has been using towards me.
I thought I left this drama when I left high school.
actually i thought most of the posters are writing pretty well written posts................
No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Bash it or claim its's good, we both seem to be in the same boat, eh?
So by your reasoning the engineers who built my car may have got it all right but if the brakes fail because of design I should just be patient because they will get around to fixing them sooner or later, right?
You speak like the people on these forums, or just me, are morons and we don't think about things, just mash buttons and post things. Are you the all knowing one spoke of in the prophecies that was said would come and cure all the aoc haters of there rage and hate towards a pay to play beta?
Please, I look forward to your posts. And by the way, are you named Luskey on the aoc forums?
Well lets look at this from your point of view.
You pay an engineer a 6 digit salary to do his job.
Game programers get maybe 50 - 80?
Cars have been being made for, oh I don't know, 100 years or so?
MMOs are maybe what... 10? 15 years old?
You pay 30,000 dollars for a car.
You pay 49.99 for a game.
You get what you pay for much?
actually i thought most of the posters are writing pretty well written posts................
And they are - its the one or two that are personal attacks on me, even though I've done nothing to anybody and they just use me to take out their anger on because I'm a volunteer for the game that they loathe.
I think if someone is going to take on the role of liason between company and community; even one that is on a volunteer basis, they'd do well to remember something one of the better community manager/director/liason's (Sanya-Tweety) learned early on:
[Excerpt]
I could watch some forum turd call me a three bagger all day, because… um, it’s a moron on a forum. Who cares? If you do care, if your ego is wrapped up in the drama, you are in the wrong job. It’s that simple.
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If Dom is going to be of any use to Funcom or to the community, they would do well to understand and apply the aforementioned wisdom from someone who took on several games and their communities with relative ease, without:
1. Resorting to name calling
2. Insulting the player base they state they're going to liason for and to.
3. Resorting to swearing as a means to try communicate their point of view to said player base.
That being said, it's not all learned in a day, weeks or months; if ever at all. Good luck in your new role and we'll see how long Famine's project lasts. If nothing else, it should be entertaining.
"half of you 32 year old living at home with their parents"
I don't see why anyone would bash you. You're off to a fantastic start!!
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"half of you 32 year old living at home with their parents"
I don't see why anyone would bash you. You're off to a fantastic start!!
They started flaming me before I made any negative posts.
So whats your point?
No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Bash it or claim its's good, we both seem to be in the same boat, eh?
So by your reasoning the engineers who built my car may have got it all right but if the brakes fail because of design I should just be patient because they will get around to fixing them sooner or later, right?
You speak like the people on these forums, or just me, are morons and we don't think about things, just mash buttons and post things. Are you the all knowing one spoke of in the prophecies that was said would come and cure all the aoc haters of there rage and hate towards a pay to play beta?
Please, I look forward to your posts. And by the way, are you named Luskey on the aoc forums?
Well lets look at this from your point of view.
You pay an engineer a 6 digit salary to do his job.
Game programers get maybe 50 - 80?
Cars have been being made for, oh I don't know, 100 years or so?
MMOs are maybe what... 10? 15 years old?
You pay 30,000 dollars for a car.
You pay 49.99 for a game.
You get what you pay for much?
then by your logic it should be simpler, since it takes less time and money to develope a mmorpg
or if you divide 50/30000 (cost of each) = 1/600 ratio
salary 80000/100000 = 4/5
hence logic proclaims....in the rule of ratios, that the are making more money than an engineer in respect to its product sale price...so they should be making a better product?
(sorry i dont see where you are going with this)
Someone throw up a link. I wanna see.
Wow, this guy posts this, flames all the posters on this thread for not learning to read in high school, and I get a warning for calling him a fan#$%( can't post it, i really don't want to get baned for this).
Wow, just wow. He insulted me and I call him something I can find on 100's of threads here and I get a mod edit and warning?
WOW
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If you are insulted by being called a fanboi it's a good bet that you are one
No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Bash it or claim its's good, we both seem to be in the same boat, eh?
So by your reasoning the engineers who built my car may have got it all right but if the brakes fail because of design I should just be patient because they will get around to fixing them sooner or later, right?
You speak like the people on these forums, or just me, are morons and we don't think about things, just mash buttons and post things. Are you the all knowing one spoke of in the prophecies that was said would come and cure all the aoc haters of there rage and hate towards a pay to play beta?
Please, I look forward to your posts. And by the way, are you named Luskey on the aoc forums?
Well lets look at this from your point of view.
You pay an engineer a 6 digit salary to do his job.
Game programers get maybe 50 - 80?
Cars have been being made for, oh I don't know, 100 years or so?
MMOs are maybe what... 10? 15 years old?
You pay 30,000 dollars for a car.
You pay 49.99 for a game.
You get what you pay for much?
then by your logic it should be simpler, since it takes less time and money to develope a mmorpg
or if you divide 50/30000 (cost of each) = 1/600 ratio
salary 80000/100000 = 4/5
hence logic proclaims....in the rule of ratios, that the are making more money than an engineer in respect to its product sale price...so they should be making a better product?
(sorry i dont see where you are going with this)
Well your comparing apples and oranges. You hire a group of engineers to make you a 30,000 dollar game, if it doesn't work the way you want it to, i'm sure they'll fix it, or givey ou your money back.
No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Bash it or claim its's good, we both seem to be in the same boat, eh?
So by your reasoning the engineers who built my car may have got it all right but if the brakes fail because of design I should just be patient because they will get around to fixing them sooner or later, right?
You speak like the people on these forums, or just me, are morons and we don't think about things, just mash buttons and post things. Are you the all knowing one spoke of in the prophecies that was said would come and cure all the aoc haters of there rage and hate towards a pay to play beta?
Please, I look forward to your posts. And by the way, are you named Luskey on the aoc forums?
Well lets look at this from your point of view.
You pay an engineer a 6 digit salary to do his job.
Game programers get maybe 50 - 80?
Cars have been being made for, oh I don't know, 100 years or so?
MMOs are maybe what... 10? 15 years old?
You pay 30,000 dollars for a car.
You pay 49.99 for a game.
You get what you pay for much?
That is the dumbest analogy i ve seen. AOC is an MMO that has been built on bullshit and lies. Name one car that has as much missing as advertised as this crapfest of a game. Then lie about it even more. I feel sorry for anyone supporting this game, that is so blinded by their fanboism or well stupidity.
Wow, this guy posts this, flames all the posters on this thread for not learning to read in high school, and I get a warning for calling him a fan#$%( can't post it, i really don't want to get baned for this).
Wow, just wow. He insulted me and I call him something I can find on 100's of threads here and I get a mod edit and warning?
WOW
My post was defending myself against the personal attacks that people like you, and some other posters, have been throwing my direction. A battle that you started. So why should I be punished for defending myself?
"half of you 32 year old living at home with their parents"
I don't see why anyone would bash you. You're off to a fantastic start!!
They started flaming me before I made any negative posts.
So whats your point?
Point is mmorpg.com decided to give you the correspondent "job" and Famine came over and "endorsed" you on Funcoms side. So guess what? You now represent mmorpg.com AND Funcom, and you screwed up. Obviously, you are not ready or capable of dealing with a forum community in a professional manner.
No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Bash it or claim its's good, we both seem to be in the same boat, eh?
So by your reasoning the engineers who built my car may have got it all right but if the brakes fail because of design I should just be patient because they will get around to fixing them sooner or later, right?
You speak like the people on these forums, or just me, are morons and we don't think about things, just mash buttons and post things. Are you the all knowing one spoke of in the prophecies that was said would come and cure all the aoc haters of there rage and hate towards a pay to play beta?
Please, I look forward to your posts. And by the way, are you named Luskey on the aoc forums?
Well lets look at this from your point of view.
You pay an engineer a 6 digit salary to do his job.
Game programers get maybe 50 - 80?
Cars have been being made for, oh I don't know, 100 years or so?
MMOs are maybe what... 10? 15 years old?
You pay 30,000 dollars for a car.
You pay 49.99 for a game.
You get what you pay for much?
then by your logic it should be simpler, since it takes less time and money to develope a mmorpg
or if you divide 50/30000 (cost of each) = 1/600 ratio
salary 80000/100000 = 4/5
hence logic proclaims....in the rule of ratios, that the are making more money than an engineer in respect to its product sale price...so they should be making a better product?
(sorry i dont see where you are going with this)
Well your comparing apples and oranges. You hire a group of engineers to make you a 30,000 dollar game, if it doesn't work the way you want it to, i'm sure they'll fix it, or givey ou your money back.
wait a second here....i have not been flaming you or anything...but you were the one who used the price/cost/salary analogy...i just expanded on it to understand where you were heading with it.
No I'm saying that everybody expects a magical perfect launch with zero bugs - they expect perfect patches that only add content and no nerfs, just positive. The expect a eutopia of perfectness within every pixel.
They don't realize that people go to school for years to become programers, then work on several titles before they get on a big one, and you think its so easy, they can just say poof and deliver you a perfect game.
Instead of learning patience and realize that good things take time, we have ex-fanbois like you who hype the hell out of a game, and when its not perfect, or close to, you bash it relentlesly because you have nothing better to do with your life.
Bash it or claim its's good, we both seem to be in the same boat, eh?
So by your reasoning the engineers who built my car may have got it all right but if the brakes fail because of design I should just be patient because they will get around to fixing them sooner or later, right?
You speak like the people on these forums, or just me, are morons and we don't think about things, just mash buttons and post things. Are you the all knowing one spoke of in the prophecies that was said would come and cure all the aoc haters of there rage and hate towards a pay to play beta?
Please, I look forward to your posts. And by the way, are you named Luskey on the aoc forums?
Well lets look at this from your point of view.
You pay an engineer a 6 digit salary to do his job.
Game programers get maybe 50 - 80?
Cars have been being made for, oh I don't know, 100 years or so?
MMOs are maybe what... 10? 15 years old?
You pay 30,000 dollars for a car.
You pay 49.99 for a game.
You get what you pay for much?
That is the dumbest analogy i ve seen. AOC is an MMO that has been built on bullshit and lies. Name one car that has as much missing as advertised as this crapfest of a game. Then lie about it even more. I feel sorry for anyone supporting this game, that is so blinded by their fanboism or well stupidity.
I guess you didn't read the part where I was trying to defeate the posters analogy of comparing a car to an MMO. You can't compare them. Oh, and I can name one car make that was like that Yugo's
"half of you 32 year old living at home with their parents"
I don't see why anyone would bash you. You're off to a fantastic start!!
They started flaming me before I made any negative posts.
So whats your point?
My point is, you're trying to fight fire with fire and losing horribly. You're already letting people get under your skin and you seriously think you can be a correspondent?
You know you can flame back with intelligence right? Instead of, "you live in your parents basement" crap.
Gamer Plus+
Dom,
Conflicting yourself with Funcom throughout this volunteered position is one of the worst moves you could have made. You are suppose to be an author that tells it in his/her own words. When you have evil mouths telling you what to say that takes away the logic behind the position. I don't see you lasting long at all as a volunteer here for mmorpg.com as the AoC Correspondent because of the actions you have pulled. You are no longer a onlooker you are a marketing monkey that Funcom will fall behind to make everything smell like roses and tulips.
Good luck. Hopefully the community doesn't chew you up and spit you out too many times.
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If you feel that you have received a warning that was not justified, you can always mail Kunou, our Community Manager, and he will sort the issue.
Yeah, ok. I need to jump in here.
First: Dom does NOT work for Funcom and I honestly believe that some people are deliberately taking what he is saying here out of context. Dom is a volunteer writer for MMORPG.com, as such, a developer from the game that he is assigned to jumped onto the forums to show that this guy was for real and that Funcom would work with him if need be. When you're writing about a game, it's often helpful to have access to the people making it. It's part of his job as a volunteer correspondent here.
Second: I think some folks are a little fuzzy on what a correspondent is. As a news site, we are bringing in news correspondents. News correspondents are generally assigned to different areas of the world to report the news. Well, since we deal with virtual worlds, we're using reporters who report from "inside the game", meaning (by definition) that they are people who play the game.
Thinik of it like this: reporters are often embedded within military units to report on a war. These are correspondents. While they might be with the military, it doesn't mean they work for them.
As to a professionalism issue: That is an internal issue here. And frankly, while I don't condone what was said or the manner in which it as said, I can fully understand why someone might feel the desire to fight back against flaming posts that aren't even based in fact (ie: the insinuation that he works for Funcom).
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com