While 2/3 is a gross exaggeration for wars cuts, saying its less then 10% is denial. Anyway, once you guys get into beta you guys can get the grand list of mythic promises and line them up with the reality of the game.
Dont rely on fanboys circulating the forums to give you a clear view of the state of the game, just test it for yourself. Getting an open beta code is pretty easy.
guess thats an opinion. cutting 4 out of 24 classes and 4 out of 6 cities might look disheartening,but reality is far from that.since the classes play very differently,20 is an awesome number...for example if you think abut it carefully, WoW doesnt have more than 9 classes due to exact mirror clones. in each race
cities are just there for gorgeous look but you will barely notice the living part until servers go for months, and by then you'll have the other 4.
the only thing i might think that will be noticed is not raiding the other 4 kings...which i couldnt care less since im not a lore nerd,and if anything,i can wait a few months for them.
about the rest,and considering the term "content" to the fullest extend,i say that there are so many things to do besides laying around the cities that noone would complain "ok,without my racial city theres nothing to do...where is the content?".
it'd be like saying that WoW lost most of its content becuz it didnt have hero classes on release,and you have nothing to do....nonsensical.
but of course,people that dont like WAR/cant afford it will use this as ammunition against the game for no real reason. well,since they wont be able to play WAR,guess i should let them enjoy talking trash to feel better...
You obviously didnt think about WoWs class system carefully, since the talents make each classs play very differently, unless you believe a shadow priest is exactly the same as a holy priest, or a defence warrior is the same as a fury warrior, or a feral druid is teh same as a restoration druid, those are jsut 3 examples.
Why the hell are you quoting me and talking about WoW anyway. I already bought war in full, colelctors edition back in may, i am also in the beta. My unwillingness to buy the game in its current state is based off experience not lore, cuts, or fanboi love for gamesworkshop and mythic butchering the games lore
And its not the same, i dont recall World of warcraft advertising hero classes for launch. You know what it would be like, if WoW cut stormwind, darnassus, and the other cites and just left ironforge and orgammer and said well, we will ad the rest in later. Oh and by the way, we are removing the fury tree from warriors, the beastmaster tree from hunters, the subtelty tree from rogues and feral tree from druids, BUT DONT WORRY, we will add them back post launch..
Like i said, i dont know why you quoted me, all i said was, get into open beta, and gauge for yourself whether or not WAR state is acceptable.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
The only point I'm trying to make is that Warhammer is about endgame RvR. There will be NO open testing of that feature. The average joe player will have no idea if it 'works' until after they have bought the box since beta players won't even know. The biggest selling point of this game is something nobody can talk about until after launch.
WOW and LotRO were different. the major focus of those games was pve questing, which players could completely experience in their open beta.
I'm looking forward to Warhammer, but I won't be buying the box until a month after the launch. When people can actually openly judge the biggest feature of the game.
Yes i agree with Vesavius im sick of the solo friendly quest based mmorpg's of today where you solo or do 5000 quests till you max level , we need a real group based sandbox pvp mmorpg , Something like a combo of old school Eq and old school UO.
Yeah you can add me to the list of those who are sick of questing.......LoTRO/EQ2/WoW absolutely wore me out for doing quests in any other MMO again......
Originally posted by Azrile The only point I'm trying to make is that Warhammer is about endgame RvR. There will be NO open testing of that feature. The average joe player will have no idea if it 'works' until after they have bought the box since beta players won't even know. The biggest selling point of this game is something nobody can talk about until after launch. WOW and LotRO were different. the major focus of those games was pve questing, which players could completely experience in their open beta. I'm looking forward to Warhammer, but I won't be buying the box until a month after the launch. When people can actually openly judge the biggest feature of the game.
Dude, there is RvR starting at level 1. People have already tested city sieges in the game during closed beta unlike Funcom who didn't test sieges at all.
The only point I'm trying to make is that Warhammer is about endgame RvR. There will be NO open testing of that feature. The average joe player will have no idea if it 'works' until after they have bought the box since beta players won't even know. The biggest selling point of this game is something nobody can talk about until after launch.
WOW and LotRO were different. the major focus of those games was pve questing, which players could completely experience in their open beta.
I'm looking forward to Warhammer, but I won't be buying the box until a month after the launch. When people can actually openly judge the biggest feature of the game.
Dude, there is RvR starting at level 1. People have already tested city sieges in the game during closed beta unlike Funcom who didn't test sieges at all.
That actually doesn't mean much , You're comparing a controlled testing environment to the results of thousands of people using a system at the same time . The results will be unpredictable at launch , Due to them not stressing those systems , I'll wait and see .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The only point I'm trying to make is that Warhammer is about endgame RvR. There will be NO open testing of that feature. The average joe player will have no idea if it 'works' until after they have bought the box since beta players won't even know. The biggest selling point of this game is something nobody can talk about until after launch.
WOW and LotRO were different. the major focus of those games was pve questing, which players could completely experience in their open beta.
I'm looking forward to Warhammer, but I won't be buying the box until a month after the launch. When people can actually openly judge the biggest feature of the game.
Dude, there is RvR starting at level 1. People have already tested city sieges in the game during closed beta unlike Funcom who didn't test sieges at all.
Closed Beta that nobody can talk about yet? If they want to be secretive about it and not let players talk about the game in advance, then they are going to have to deal with the fact that many people will have funcom flashbacks and won't buy the game at launch.
Warhammer is going to sell a million boxes, it makes no sense that they wouldn't allow 10,000 players test the game and TALK ABOUT IT being finished. How many players are going to have a 'tortage' cringe when they hit lvl 21... having no clue if tier 2 was the end of the 'finished' game.
And for every person saying 'I'm in closed beta, it is fun", I can link you to a thread started by a AoC closed beta tester saying the same thing.
Dude, Wrath is most definitely NOT a new MMO. It's most probably gonna be the "same old same old, but looks little different" stuff. I pretty much KNOW right now what we'll get, it's just annoying that Blizzard took 2 years to give us "more of the same"....
There are no good mmorpgs coming out in the close future(08-early 09)
i tried warhammer and Wotlk - and they r pretty nice and fun. why don't u think u would have fun in any of them?
He and many others these days are not realy waiting for themepark mmo's anymore, so no good mmo's this year:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
There are no good mmorpgs coming out in the close future(08-early 09)
Actually there should be two. Warhammer and Darkfall.
actually there is only one good mmo comming Darkfall.
WAR is themepark mmo so cant be anygood also to much similar to wow.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
The only point I'm trying to make is that Warhammer is about endgame RvR. There will be NO open testing of that feature. The average joe player will have no idea if it 'works' until after they have bought the box since beta players won't even know. The biggest selling point of this game is something nobody can talk about until after launch. WOW and LotRO were different. the major focus of those games was pve questing, which players could completely experience in their open beta. I'm looking forward to Warhammer, but I won't be buying the box until a month after the launch. When people can actually openly judge the biggest feature of the game.
Not gonna break the NDA but this is not anywhere near correct, details to follow when NDA is removed.
Don't worry, I dont' feel bad for AoC or FunCom... well maybe a little for FunCom because I have had many years of fun playing AO. I learned many years ago not to buy into any prerelease hype for any MMOG. I took one look at AoC during beta and knew it wasn't for me, and knew it probably wouldn't do as well as everyone thought it would. It's just like every other amusement park MMOG out there with a couple of gimmicks to make it look "different" from the rest. I am not sure that the registered community of mmorpg.com is a true cross-section of the MMOG gamer/hobbyist population, but what I see here, and in many other general MMOG online communities is a thirst for a true sandbox MMOG... the same thing that I am after.
Unfortunately every developer out there wants a piece of big pie that Blizzard is gorging on, but I don't think anything in the sandbox MMOG category would ever come out of the "niche" category these days. Because to be honest the face of the mainstream gamer is completely different than it was back in the late '90s. MMOGs like Mortal Online, Darkfall and Earthrise might fit the bill, but whether a game like that actually hits the market, and actually dellivers, remains to be seen.
------------------------- "Searchers after horror haunt strange, far places..." ~ H.P.Lovecraft, "From Beyond"
"in a world full of new mmorpgs coming out every day, it seems. yet another hyped up game is about to be released. will it plummel to the ground as failcom's Age of Conan did or will it rise up as the new 'WoW'? One feature, realm vs realm, could decide the fate of...
*movie man voice gets louder*
WARHAMMER: Age Of Reckoning"
*end movie man voice*
*end commercial*
...ill sit back and eat my popcorn and see if this game does well or not, my prediction, not as good as everyone thinks, not as bad as AoC ended up becoming.
Closed Beta that nobody can talk about yet? If they want to be secretive about it and not let players talk about the game in advance, then they are going to have to deal with the fact that many people will have funcom flashbacks and won't buy the game at launch.
Warhammer is going to sell a million boxes, it makes no sense that they wouldn't allow 10,000 players test the game and TALK ABOUT IT being finished. How many players are going to have a 'tortage' cringe when they hit lvl 21... having no clue if tier 2 was the end of the 'finished' game.
And for every person saying 'I'm in closed beta, it is fun", I can link you to a thread started by a AoC closed beta tester saying the same thing.
All of us will be able to talk about it once the NDA is drop BEFORE the game launch, unlike AoC...
"Good New MMO's" or rehashed clones that suck? I'm going with what has been correct since my search for a New MMORPGs started on November 15, 2005. Rehashed clones that suck.
Almost 3 years have passed and all the New MMORPGs were basically over hyped garbage.
WaR isnt over hyped,its a well put together mmo that will give PvP fans a good home for some time to come,no game launches without bugs and 100% content.
WaR and WoW look and play quite similar to one another where they differ dramaticaly is the RvR PvP the way they are doing it is without a doubt the best ive seen.I play both I like both,WoW is my quest driven item whoring grinder,and WaR is my stress relieving all out havock open a can whoppass on a high elf fun game.
If your a PvPr youll love WaR if ya don't ya may learn to love it,OB is only 5 days away and alot of you can judge for yourselves.
The only point I'm trying to make is that Warhammer is about endgame RvR. There will be NO open testing of that feature. The average joe player will have no idea if it 'works' until after they have bought the box since beta players won't even know. The biggest selling point of this game is something nobody can talk about until after launch. WOW and LotRO were different. the major focus of those games was pve questing, which players could completely experience in their open beta. I'm looking forward to Warhammer, but I won't be buying the box until a month after the launch. When people can actually openly judge the biggest feature of the game.
Not gonna break the NDA but this is not anywhere near correct, details to follow when NDA is removed.
I agree with Ender4. I have been in beta since september of last year. Azrile you assume too much in your post, and honestly it has been stated time and time again by the devs that they will be releasing the NDA soon.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
I am done relying on beta testers/beta tests for info on new MMO's Case in point... friends told me AoC was GREAT in beta....(see how that worked out?) I played Vanguard since beta 2, and I was PUMPED!!! for launch.... only to be let down due to poor direction of the game as it stands right now.... the ONLY thing I am relying on (providing I am even interested in a certain game) is the reputation of the MMO company. and on that basis alone.... I will try WARHAMMER out.
Yeah, beta testers often get blinded by optimism. I've been there multiple times.
Beta testers often see holes in content and bugs and assume they'll be fixed before launch. One thing I've noticed is that we always believe there's plenty of time left in the beta test if a lot of content hasn't been tested, and based on that, we give optimistic assessments to other people. We figure they'll get the polish work out of the way. That's such a huge mistake.
People who don't test a lot have no idea how many MMORPG's recently have spent almost no time testing the last HALF of their content. Like in a game with a level cap of 50, only the 1-30 stuff will be live on the server. Then suddenly you get notice that there will be a wipe followed by the opening of the rest of the content. Then, at the end of the announcement. "Oh, by the way. We're launching in a month." The beta testers are just like . . . what the fuck. It's the exact same games that either fail or have serious polish issues. Oh well.
Anyway, for this reason, I have a "I'll believe it when I see it" policy. I'm giving WAR the benefit of the doubt, but I'll still jump into the open beta to get an idea of how the game plays before I make my final decision.
I love people who see the glass as half full than the glass thrown out the window and cars puncturing their tires and crashing into houses creating destruction for all those associated with the area.
I like that outlook. Keep up the good work, but even the big companies have faults, and we can only see how EA handles the Mythic release Warhammer.
Yes i agree with Vesavius im sick of the solo friendly quest based mmorpg's of today where you solo or do 5000 quests till you max level , we need a real group based sandbox pvp mmorpg , Something like a combo of old school Eq and old school UO.
Those are tried and behind the times. Solo-friendly quest based MMORPG is the future. In fact, a lot of the new MMOs (Stargate Worlds, KOTOR ...) are moving in the direction of more stories, more content, less unguided gameplay.
I know of one IP that will most likely be turned into an MMORPG after WAR is settled. It is another fantasy IP but the world-setup is entirely different from anything we have seen so far. Already has a mega fan base, and a lot of people with even more money have an interest in making it. I've said elsewhere that I think WAR is supposed to serve the additional purposes of data and experience gathering for EA and/or Mythic to help create it.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
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guess thats an opinion. cutting 4 out of 24 classes and 4 out of 6 cities might look disheartening,but reality is far from that.since the classes play very differently,20 is an awesome number...for example if you think abut it carefully, WoW doesnt have more than 9 classes due to exact mirror clones. in each race
cities are just there for gorgeous look but you will barely notice the living part until servers go for months, and by then you'll have the other 4.
the only thing i might think that will be noticed is not raiding the other 4 kings...which i couldnt care less since im not a lore nerd,and if anything,i can wait a few months for them.
about the rest,and considering the term "content" to the fullest extend,i say that there are so many things to do besides laying around the cities that noone would complain "ok,without my racial city theres nothing to do...where is the content?".
it'd be like saying that WoW lost most of its content becuz it didnt have hero classes on release,and you have nothing to do....nonsensical.
but of course,people that dont like WAR/cant afford it will use this as ammunition against the game for no real reason. well,since they wont be able to play WAR,guess i should let them enjoy talking trash to feel better...
You obviously didnt think about WoWs class system carefully, since the talents make each classs play very differently, unless you believe a shadow priest is exactly the same as a holy priest, or a defence warrior is the same as a fury warrior, or a feral druid is teh same as a restoration druid, those are jsut 3 examples.
Why the hell are you quoting me and talking about WoW anyway. I already bought war in full, colelctors edition back in may, i am also in the beta. My unwillingness to buy the game in its current state is based off experience not lore, cuts, or fanboi love for gamesworkshop and mythic butchering the games lore
And its not the same, i dont recall World of warcraft advertising hero classes for launch. You know what it would be like, if WoW cut stormwind, darnassus, and the other cites and just left ironforge and orgammer and said well, we will ad the rest in later. Oh and by the way, we are removing the fury tree from warriors, the beastmaster tree from hunters, the subtelty tree from rogues and feral tree from druids, BUT DONT WORRY, we will add them back post launch..
Like i said, i dont know why you quoted me, all i said was, get into open beta, and gauge for yourself whether or not WAR state is acceptable.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
The only point I'm trying to make is that Warhammer is about endgame RvR. There will be NO open testing of that feature. The average joe player will have no idea if it 'works' until after they have bought the box since beta players won't even know. The biggest selling point of this game is something nobody can talk about until after launch.
WOW and LotRO were different. the major focus of those games was pve questing, which players could completely experience in their open beta.
I'm looking forward to Warhammer, but I won't be buying the box until a month after the launch. When people can actually openly judge the biggest feature of the game.
Yeah you can add me to the list of those who are sick of questing.......LoTRO/EQ2/WoW absolutely wore me out for doing quests in any other MMO again......
Dude, there is RvR starting at level 1. People have already tested city sieges in the game during closed beta unlike Funcom who didn't test sieges at all.
Dude, there is RvR starting at level 1. People have already tested city sieges in the game during closed beta unlike Funcom who didn't test sieges at all.
That actually doesn't mean much , You're comparing a controlled testing environment to the results of thousands of people using a system at the same time . The results will be unpredictable at launch , Due to them not stressing those systems , I'll wait and see .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Actually there should be two. Warhammer and Darkfall.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Dude, there is RvR starting at level 1. People have already tested city sieges in the game during closed beta unlike Funcom who didn't test sieges at all.
Closed Beta that nobody can talk about yet? If they want to be secretive about it and not let players talk about the game in advance, then they are going to have to deal with the fact that many people will have funcom flashbacks and won't buy the game at launch.
Warhammer is going to sell a million boxes, it makes no sense that they wouldn't allow 10,000 players test the game and TALK ABOUT IT being finished. How many players are going to have a 'tortage' cringe when they hit lvl 21... having no clue if tier 2 was the end of the 'finished' game.
And for every person saying 'I'm in closed beta, it is fun", I can link you to a thread started by a AoC closed beta tester saying the same thing.
Dude, Wrath is most definitely NOT a new MMO. It's most probably gonna be the "same old same old, but looks little different" stuff. I pretty much KNOW right now what we'll get, it's just annoying that Blizzard took 2 years to give us "more of the same"....
i tried warhammer and Wotlk - and they r pretty nice and fun. why don't u think u would have fun in any of them?
He and many others these days are not realy waiting for themepark mmo's anymore, so no good mmo's this year:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Actually there should be two. Warhammer and Darkfall.
actually there is only one good mmo comming Darkfall.
WAR is themepark mmo so cant be anygood also to much similar to wow.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Not gonna break the NDA but this is not anywhere near correct, details to follow when NDA is removed.
Don't worry, I dont' feel bad for AoC or FunCom... well maybe a little for FunCom because I have had many years of fun playing AO. I learned many years ago not to buy into any prerelease hype for any MMOG. I took one look at AoC during beta and knew it wasn't for me, and knew it probably wouldn't do as well as everyone thought it would. It's just like every other amusement park MMOG out there with a couple of gimmicks to make it look "different" from the rest. I am not sure that the registered community of mmorpg.com is a true cross-section of the MMOG gamer/hobbyist population, but what I see here, and in many other general MMOG online communities is a thirst for a true sandbox MMOG... the same thing that I am after.
Unfortunately every developer out there wants a piece of big pie that Blizzard is gorging on, but I don't think anything in the sandbox MMOG category would ever come out of the "niche" category these days. Because to be honest the face of the mainstream gamer is completely different than it was back in the late '90s. MMOGs like Mortal Online, Darkfall and Earthrise might fit the bill, but whether a game like that actually hits the market, and actually dellivers, remains to be seen.
-------------------------
"Searchers after horror haunt strange, far places..." ~ H.P.Lovecraft, "From Beyond"
Member Since March 2004
/popcorn
*commercial*
*movie man voice*
"in a world full of new mmorpgs coming out every day, it seems. yet another hyped up game is about to be released. will it plummel to the ground as failcom's Age of Conan did or will it rise up as the new 'WoW'? One feature, realm vs realm, could decide the fate of...
*movie man voice gets louder*
WARHAMMER: Age Of Reckoning"
*end movie man voice*
*end commercial*
...ill sit back and eat my popcorn and see if this game does well or not, my prediction, not as good as everyone thinks, not as bad as AoC ended up becoming.
Warhammer is going to sell a million boxes, it makes no sense that they wouldn't allow 10,000 players test the game and TALK ABOUT IT being finished. How many players are going to have a 'tortage' cringe when they hit lvl 21... having no clue if tier 2 was the end of the 'finished' game.
And for every person saying 'I'm in closed beta, it is fun", I can link you to a thread started by a AoC closed beta tester saying the same thing.
All of us will be able to talk about it once the NDA is drop BEFORE the game launch, unlike AoC...
RIP Orc Choppa
"Good New MMO's" or rehashed clones that suck? I'm going with what has been correct since my search for a New MMORPGs started on November 15, 2005. Rehashed clones that suck.
Almost 3 years have passed and all the New MMORPGs were basically over hyped garbage.
WaR isnt over hyped,its a well put together mmo that will give PvP fans a good home for some time to come,no game launches without bugs and 100% content.
WaR and WoW look and play quite similar to one another where they differ dramaticaly is the RvR PvP the way they are doing it is without a doubt the best ive seen.I play both I like both,WoW is my quest driven item whoring grinder,and WaR is my stress relieving all out havock open a can whoppass on a high elf fun game.
If your a PvPr youll love WaR if ya don't ya may learn to love it,OB is only 5 days away and alot of you can judge for yourselves.
Not gonna break the NDA but this is not anywhere near correct, details to follow when NDA is removed.
I agree with Ender4. I have been in beta since september of last year. Azrile you assume too much in your post, and honestly it has been stated time and time again by the devs that they will be releasing the NDA soon.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Yeah, beta testers often get blinded by optimism. I've been there multiple times.
Beta testers often see holes in content and bugs and assume they'll be fixed before launch. One thing I've noticed is that we always believe there's plenty of time left in the beta test if a lot of content hasn't been tested, and based on that, we give optimistic assessments to other people. We figure they'll get the polish work out of the way. That's such a huge mistake.
People who don't test a lot have no idea how many MMORPG's recently have spent almost no time testing the last HALF of their content. Like in a game with a level cap of 50, only the 1-30 stuff will be live on the server. Then suddenly you get notice that there will be a wipe followed by the opening of the rest of the content. Then, at the end of the announcement. "Oh, by the way. We're launching in a month." The beta testers are just like . . . what the fuck. It's the exact same games that either fail or have serious polish issues. Oh well.
Anyway, for this reason, I have a "I'll believe it when I see it" policy. I'm giving WAR the benefit of the doubt, but I'll still jump into the open beta to get an idea of how the game plays before I make my final decision.
I love people who see the glass as half full than the glass thrown out the window and cars puncturing their tires and crashing into houses creating destruction for all those associated with the area.
I like that outlook. Keep up the good work, but even the big companies have faults, and we can only see how EA handles the Mythic release Warhammer.
Those are tried and behind the times. Solo-friendly quest based MMORPG is the future. In fact, a lot of the new MMOs (Stargate Worlds, KOTOR ...) are moving in the direction of more stories, more content, less unguided gameplay.
I know of one IP that will most likely be turned into an MMORPG after WAR is settled. It is another fantasy IP but the world-setup is entirely different from anything we have seen so far. Already has a mega fan base, and a lot of people with even more money have an interest in making it. I've said elsewhere that I think WAR is supposed to serve the additional purposes of data and experience gathering for EA and/or Mythic to help create it.
___________________
Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
I have a really hard time putting Good MMO and New MMO together. That hasnt happened in a long time.
WAR will be solid, but it won't offer anything revolutionary.
It's like a PvP oriented WoW in my opinion, which to me is a good thing.
Beyond that, I think it'll be at least 2 or 3 years until a new, really promising MMO comes along (unless Darkfall kicks ass)