From what I read about this game the PvP seems quite scripted. I.E there are pre-defined zones with pre-defined sides and pre-defined starting locations and the objective is to take over some place (kinda like capure-the-flag) and then you defend that place until the other side takes it over. Is that the case or will there be actual open war? By that I mean player created guilds who can fight other guilds and not over pre-defined "flags" but rather over whatever area they want (like a good leveling spot or quest area)?
I would hope that the questing/leveling areas were filled with battle, being that XP is gained by killing other players.
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Originally posted by Palebane Originally posted by Yamota From what I read about this game the PvP seems quite scripted. I.E there are pre-defined zones with pre-defined sides and pre-defined starting locations and the objective is to take over some place (kinda like capure-the-flag) and then you defend that place until the other side takes it over. Is that the case or will there be actual open war? By that I mean player created guilds who can fight other guilds and not over pre-defined "flags" but rather over whatever area they want (like a good leveling spot or quest area)?
I would hope that the questing/leveling areas were filled with battle, being that XP is gained by killing other players.
Leveling through rvr (pvp) was one of the first things mentioned about this game,
the exact quote went something like, 'players can make a character and jump straight into rvr from level 1' and level up, etc. Gear/money etc are also gained through rvr (according to the quote im thinking of)
If I remember correctly DAoC had an FFA PvP server but it seems you guys are quite convinced there wont be one at launch so I guess I will have to wait then as I personally cant stand when the devs tell me who I can fight and where and for what. Anyway thanks for the info.
Yeah I don't think this game is for you, sorry.
This game's emphasis is on Realm versus Realm as others have pointed out. Think of it as real war, it's not you versus joe blow, it's Country versus Country, and everything that operates under that is directly related to that fact. If you are crafting, you are crafting to fight the opposing side, if you are questing you are questing to fight the opposing side, if you sneeze, you are sneezing to fight the opposing side, etc.
If you want to fight anyone anywhere at any time for any reason, EVE would be the game for you. Just...expect everyone else to have the same attitude.
From what I read about this game the PvP seems quite scripted. I.E there are pre-defined zones with pre-defined sides and pre-defined starting locations and the objective is to take over some place (kinda like capure-the-flag) and then you defend that place until the other side takes it over. Is that the case or will there be actual open war? By that I mean player created guilds who can fight other guilds and not over pre-defined "flags" but rather over whatever area they want (like a good leveling spot or quest area)?
Scripted like when Japan did a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor?
If I remember correctly DAoC had an FFA PvP server but it seems you guys are quite convinced there wont be one at launch so I guess I will have to wait then as I personally cant stand when the devs tell me who I can fight and where and for what. Anyway thanks for the info.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
Scripted like when Japan did a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor?
Heh. That's not what I mean with scripted, that was a planned attack, by one side choosing to attack another. By scripted I mean that some unseen third party (devs in this case) before the battle takes place, decides what sides there will be, what they will fight over and what the victory prize will be.
Kinda like an athletic event as opposed to a war with multiple factions who can attack any other side, at any time.
Of course they have some restrictions i would seriously quit the game if i was a new player who just joined, and there were lvl fourtys spawn-camping me at the starting zone.
If I remember correctly DAoC had an FFA PvP server but it seems you guys are quite convinced there wont be one at launch so I guess I will have to wait then as I personally cant stand when the devs tell me who I can fight and where and for what. Anyway thanks for the info.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
Well if you're an orc, humans are NOT on your side... it would go against the lore of the world... so they can't do that for obvious reasons... and when i'm at war with another country why would i want to attack my ally?
And attacking low level players is not possible for obvious reasons... level 40 players would go into a lvl 1-10 zone, capture the objective and ruin the game for all the low level players. Soon only lvl 40s would be able to do open world pvp.
Sometimes in order to give freedom you have to take it away. It's the same with laws. Would you want a world with no rules? where everyone is free to kill and steal? no... you wouldn't want that... and it's the same in games, killing someone who's in your "team" and a lot lower level then you makes no sense so they don't let you...
So... if you think it's not "FFA" because it's "fair" and follows the lore then no... the game is not for you )
Scripted like when Japan did a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor?
Heh. That's not what I mean with scripted, that was a planned attack, by one side choosing to attack another. By scripted I mean that some unseen third party (devs in this case) before the battle takes place, decides what sides there will be, what they will fight over and what the victory prize will be.
Kinda like an athletic event as opposed to a war with multiple factions who can attack any other side, at any time.
Athletic events are set up like they are to properly guage the skill of the participants. Like the olympics or any sport. Structure and rules are in place to ensure a level playing field and as a result, meaningful victories. When people earn trophies in such events, they deserve them.
If they just let everyone run amuck, ala 'multiple factions that can attack any other side at any time', victories would mean nothing. Victory shifts from the skilled to the lucky. Stumbling on the right place at the right time. Or playing the coward until someone turns their back. In so doing, victories become meaningless. Nothing worthy of admiration or respect. Just bs. How many respected events have a setup like this? I can't think of any. Although... maybe reality tv shows like survivor. But even that is really structured and follows clear rules of what you can and can't do. Not to mention in the literal sense, it is scripted.
Competition without structure is nothing more than a bunch of kids on a playground running amuck. There comes a time in every man's life when he has to grow beyond playing 'tag' and start playing football
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If I remember correctly DAoC had an FFA PvP server but it seems you guys are quite convinced there wont be one at launch so I guess I will have to wait then as I personally cant stand when the devs tell me who I can fight and where and for what. Anyway thanks for the info.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
There are already dozens of games that let you do this..most of them suck but why dont you play those and leave our game alone. Obviously you know nothing about Warhammer or you wouldn't be pissed off or discouraged by the type of gameplay thats being offered here. Warhammer is not about Order Killing order its about Order vs Destruction. Its about the Empire's eternal struggle against the Chaos etc etc. If this wasn't an IP game I could see why you would think your version works better but this is an IP game...there must be sides. Tehy must be determined in order for it to be a Warhammer game. Thats just how it is.
FFA PvP where the players choose the sides doesn't work out and its usually NOT a community based game. Sure EvE managed to work but honestly ask yourself how fun it is to lose Everything in the blink of an eye? Some people enjoy this type of game play and they never participate in anything else but alot of us don't. We want a community because thats what MMOs are a community. We want to kill each othe rsure but we want it to be fun not completely scare off all the players. Games were your afraid to PvP just don't work for the type of mechanics that WAR is offering. No one would want to show up to fight for a capital except those that can afford to lose or those that simply don't care...thats not a fun environment.
PvP isn't about scaring people or controlling people who can't defend themselves. Thats ganking and personally Ganking is only fun for the ganker. Since you obviously dont like WAR's direction go play EvE or some other game like AoC that caters too you. RvR for the win...I'll take it any day over FFA.
You guys are not getting it. It is not about attacking your ally, it is about choosing who is your ally and who is not.
As for leaving your game alone. Not sure why you think it is your game but I have no interest in changing anything. Devs will develop whatever game they see fit the market, I was just wondering if there would be an FFA server, since that is the play style I like and it is not because I like ganking or whatever, and I got the understanding that there wont be. No need to get worked up for nothing.
You guys are not getting it. It is not about attacking your ally, it is about choosing who is your ally and who is not. As for leaving your game alone. Not sure why you think it is your game but I have no interest in changing anything. Devs will develop whatever game they see fit the market, I was just wondering if there would be an FFA server, since that is the play style I like and it is not because I like ganking or whatever, and I got the understanding that there wont be. No need to get worked up for nothing.
Welcome in RvR game.. Yes, it's not FFA from desing..you don't like? Don't play it.. It's easy. But accept that there are many people who preffer RvR action. And scripted? What you mean scripted? That Devs placed Keeps and battlefield objectives? If yes, than you are very shord minded person.
If I remember correctly DAoC had an FFA PvP server but it seems you guys are quite convinced there wont be one at launch so I guess I will have to wait then as I personally cant stand when the devs tell me who I can fight and where and for what. Anyway thanks for the info.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
Makes me want to vomit. We the players interested in this game do NOT want your FFA crap. MMO's are about community and ffa ruleset make that community stupid. You hate everyone and everyone hates you , outside of your little gang.
And you got it backward , you don't decide who you fight. DEV makes the game the way they want , it's for you to like it or not . Try AoC if you want boring ffa.
The setting is a war. Like WW2 , as a british you might not liked fighting with americans ( just an exemple) but you sure don't shoot them in the back because you feel like it.You are allied and have a common ennemy. As country politics goes out the windows in said scenario , so does your "guild politics" small scale crap. The ennemy is invading our cities. FFA is completly retarded with the design of this game.
Mythic will never give you FFA. So just stop , it's not happening . move along to another game.
If I remember correctly DAoC had an FFA PvP server but it seems you guys are quite convinced there wont be one at launch so I guess I will have to wait then as I personally cant stand when the devs tell me who I can fight and where and for what. Anyway thanks for the info.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
Makes me want to vomit. We the players interested in this game do NOT want your FFA crap. MMO's are about community and ffa ruleset make that community stupid. You hate everyone and everyone hates you , outside of your little gang.
And you got it backward , you don't decide who you fight. DEV makes the game the way they want , it's for you to like it or not . Try AoC if you want boring ffa.
The setting is a war. Like WW2 , as a british you might not liked fighting with americans ( just an exemple) but you sure don't shoot them in the back because you feel like it.You are allied and have a common ennemy. As country politics goes out the windows in said scenario , so does your "guild politics" small scale crap. The ennemy is invading our cities. FFA is completly retarded with the design of this game.
Mythic will never give you FFA. So just stop , it's not happening . move along to another game.
We dont serve your kind here.
That last sentence kind of scared me...
but anywho...yah, there won't be FFA servers. Just stop bashing the dude for liking FFA. THis is obviously not the game for him, so let this thread die and we can move on with our lives.
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FFA is good in concept and would fit better in a world with a steampunk or futuristic setting because that's what you have today - gangs have territory and they can betray each other, but they choose who they want to ally with and for how long. If they do stab someone in the back they better be prepared for some retribution. But WAR is a different type of game.
I honestly think there's some FFA PvP games around the corner, or at least games with FFA servers. WAR would do something like that if it weren't for the fact that it goes 100% against their lore. If you're fighting for your survival, why would you kill your allied soldier? Just because he called your momma fat? No, it's a different type of thinking.
Though, the best thing I would like about FFA PvP is if someone annoyed you too much...
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Mark has said there will not be an FFA server. The game isn't designed for it. If you are wanting FFA go play an FFA game, this game was never advertised as FFA. In fact they never said PvP, they always call it RvR. PvP detontes 1 on 1. RvR is how they balance and tweak the game.
FFA (ala choose your own allies) is a flawed mechanic at best and tends to only work in games that are designed specifically for it or games who's IP revolves around it. Warhammer has never let players make up their own 'sides' it wouldnt' be Warhammer if the dev's allowed this I don't understand your grounds here OP.
This is Warhammer your either for the Empire, Chaos, Greenskins, Dwarves, Tomb Kings, etc etc there is no "I'm for the RedMorons Clan".
This constant stance by certain types of people make no damn sense if you want a game that plays that way don't bother coming to forum boards for IP based games. Go complain on D&D online where you SHOULD be able to do this, Anarchy Online, EQ2, etc etc games that are more 'freeform' where the world isn't already 'designed' to its fullest extent.
I'm just waiting for complaints on Star Trek to start "How come I can't have a federation ship but be aligned with the Klingons and the Borg instead?" stupid remarks.
Honestly some of you guys are getting worked up over nothing. All he said was he enjoys FFA type game play over faction based game play. He was asking a simple question if this game will have something FFA or if it's only faction based. I don't see why you guys have to bash him and say "You're kind isn't welcome in our game." That was just immature and rude, I don't think he ever once said "Hey, WAR should have FFA PVP where I can kill everyone because I want to." He just asked if there was a designated server type.
Mark has said there will not be an FFA server. The game isn't designed for it. If you are wanting FFA go play an FFA game, this game was never advertised as FFA. In fact they never said PvP, they always call it RvR. PvP detontes 1 on 1. RvR is how they balance and tweak the game.
I assume Mark is a dev and he said there wont be an FFA server? Thank you, thats what I needed to know. Not start some kind of flamewar about which is better and what fits the lore or not.
I guess I could have used a better title as subject but didnt expect people to be so sensetive about a game.
Mark has said there will not be an FFA server. The game isn't designed for it. If you are wanting FFA go play an FFA game, this game was never advertised as FFA. In fact they never said PvP, they always call it RvR. PvP detontes 1 on 1. RvR is how they balance and tweak the game.
I assume Mark is a dev and he said there wont be an FFA server? Thank you, thats what I needed to know. Not start some kind of flamewar about which is better and what fits the lore or not.
I guess I could have used a better title as subject but didnt expect people to be so sensetive about a game.
Expect a little sensitivity. There is a lot of emotion that goes into MMOs
He got answare in a frist page but was repeating same thing again and again
I was not, I was trying to explain what I mean when I said the PvP in this game seems scripted (an impression I got after watching some vids about the PvP or RvR) and also what I mean with FFA because people were saying stuff like: Why would you want to kill your allies? This is not a ganking game and so on.
But really, I got the information I want and I promise I will never, ever post here again (until they wise up and implement FFA PvP servers ).
That was a joke, turn off the gas on your flamethrowers people...
He got answare in a frist page but was repeating same thing again and again
I was not, I was trying to explain what I mean when I said the PvP in this game seems scripted (an impression I got after watching some vids about the PvP or RvR) and also what I mean with FFA because people were saying stuff like: Why would you want to kill your allies? This is not a ganking game and so on.
But really, I got the information I want and I promise I will never, ever post here again (until they wise up and implement FFA PvP servers ).
That was a joke, turn off the gas on your flamethrowers people...
but really...you should check out Mortal Online or Darkfall. I really think you would enjoy those games.
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someone on VN stated the 3 types of servers avaialble at release...
core RvR- basically having to flag yourself in a non rvr zone
rp server- for the role players.
open RvR- always flagged for RvR
I'm looking forward to making a chosen on an open RvR server. twisting ftw.
I would hope that the questing/leveling areas were filled with battle, being that XP is gained by killing other players.
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I would hope that the questing/leveling areas were filled with battle, being that XP is gained by killing other players.
Leveling through rvr (pvp) was one of the first things mentioned about this game,
the exact quote went something like, 'players can make a character and jump straight into rvr from level 1' and level up, etc. Gear/money etc are also gained through rvr (according to the quote im thinking of)
Yeah I don't think this game is for you, sorry.
This game's emphasis is on Realm versus Realm as others have pointed out. Think of it as real war, it's not you versus joe blow, it's Country versus Country, and everything that operates under that is directly related to that fact. If you are crafting, you are crafting to fight the opposing side, if you are questing you are questing to fight the opposing side, if you sneeze, you are sneezing to fight the opposing side, etc.
If you want to fight anyone anywhere at any time for any reason, EVE would be the game for you. Just...expect everyone else to have the same attitude.
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Scripted like when Japan did a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor?
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Check those two games out. They should be more to your liking.
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Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
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Heh. That's not what I mean with scripted, that was a planned attack, by one side choosing to attack another. By scripted I mean that some unseen third party (devs in this case) before the battle takes place, decides what sides there will be, what they will fight over and what the victory prize will be.
Kinda like an athletic event as opposed to a war with multiple factions who can attack any other side, at any time.
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Of course they have some restrictions i would seriously quit the game if i was a new player who just joined, and there were lvl fourtys spawn-camping me at the starting zone.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
Well if you're an orc, humans are NOT on your side... it would go against the lore of the world... so they can't do that for obvious reasons... and when i'm at war with another country why would i want to attack my ally?
And attacking low level players is not possible for obvious reasons... level 40 players would go into a lvl 1-10 zone, capture the objective and ruin the game for all the low level players. Soon only lvl 40s would be able to do open world pvp.
Sometimes in order to give freedom you have to take it away. It's the same with laws. Would you want a world with no rules? where everyone is free to kill and steal? no... you wouldn't want that... and it's the same in games, killing someone who's in your "team" and a lot lower level then you makes no sense so they don't let you...
So... if you think it's not "FFA" because it's "fair" and follows the lore then no... the game is not for you
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Heh. That's not what I mean with scripted, that was a planned attack, by one side choosing to attack another. By scripted I mean that some unseen third party (devs in this case) before the battle takes place, decides what sides there will be, what they will fight over and what the victory prize will be.
Kinda like an athletic event as opposed to a war with multiple factions who can attack any other side, at any time.
Athletic events are set up like they are to properly guage the skill of the participants. Like the olympics or any sport. Structure and rules are in place to ensure a level playing field and as a result, meaningful victories. When people earn trophies in such events, they deserve them.
If they just let everyone run amuck, ala 'multiple factions that can attack any other side at any time', victories would mean nothing. Victory shifts from the skilled to the lucky. Stumbling on the right place at the right time. Or playing the coward until someone turns their back. In so doing, victories become meaningless. Nothing worthy of admiration or respect. Just bs. How many respected events have a setup like this? I can't think of any. Although... maybe reality tv shows like survivor. But even that is really structured and follows clear rules of what you can and can't do. Not to mention in the literal sense, it is scripted.
Competition without structure is nothing more than a bunch of kids on a playground running amuck. There comes a time in every man's life when he has to grow beyond playing 'tag' and start playing football
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
There are already dozens of games that let you do this..most of them suck but why dont you play those and leave our game alone. Obviously you know nothing about Warhammer or you wouldn't be pissed off or discouraged by the type of gameplay thats being offered here. Warhammer is not about Order Killing order its about Order vs Destruction. Its about the Empire's eternal struggle against the Chaos etc etc. If this wasn't an IP game I could see why you would think your version works better but this is an IP game...there must be sides. Tehy must be determined in order for it to be a Warhammer game. Thats just how it is.
FFA PvP where the players choose the sides doesn't work out and its usually NOT a community based game. Sure EvE managed to work but honestly ask yourself how fun it is to lose Everything in the blink of an eye? Some people enjoy this type of game play and they never participate in anything else but alot of us don't. We want a community because thats what MMOs are a community. We want to kill each othe rsure but we want it to be fun not completely scare off all the players. Games were your afraid to PvP just don't work for the type of mechanics that WAR is offering. No one would want to show up to fight for a capital except those that can afford to lose or those that simply don't care...thats not a fun environment.
PvP isn't about scaring people or controlling people who can't defend themselves. Thats ganking and personally Ganking is only fun for the ganker. Since you obviously dont like WAR's direction go play EvE or some other game like AoC that caters too you. RvR for the win...I'll take it any day over FFA.
You guys are not getting it. It is not about attacking your ally, it is about choosing who is your ally and who is not.
As for leaving your game alone. Not sure why you think it is your game but I have no interest in changing anything. Devs will develop whatever game they see fit the market, I was just wondering if there would be an FFA server, since that is the play style I like and it is not because I like ganking or whatever, and I got the understanding that there wont be. No need to get worked up for nothing.
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Welcome in RvR game.. Yes, it's not FFA from desing..you don't like? Don't play it.. It's easy. But accept that there are many people who preffer RvR action. And scripted? What you mean scripted? That Devs placed Keeps and battlefield objectives? If yes, than you are very shord minded person.
Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
Makes me want to vomit. We the players interested in this game do NOT want your FFA crap. MMO's are about community and ffa ruleset make that community stupid. You hate everyone and everyone hates you , outside of your little gang.
And you got it backward , you don't decide who you fight. DEV makes the game the way they want , it's for you to like it or not . Try AoC if you want boring ffa.
The setting is a war. Like WW2 , as a british you might not liked fighting with americans ( just an exemple) but you sure don't shoot them in the back because you feel like it.You are allied and have a common ennemy. As country politics goes out the windows in said scenario , so does your "guild politics" small scale crap. The ennemy is invading our cities. FFA is completly retarded with the design of this game.
Mythic will never give you FFA. So just stop , it's not happening . move along to another game.
We dont serve your kind here.
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Well there will be FFA... with 2 exceptions... you cant attack your own side, meaning order or destruction... and you cant go into a lower level tier to gank... so no killing lvl 10s with lvl 25...
And why would you want to kill low level players or your own side anyway?
There are no exceptions to FFA, it is either FFA or it is not. Any exceptions will make it cease to be FFA by definition.
And the reason why you would want to kill low level players is because that is the only way to control an area. If you cant kill or scare people who are trespassing on an area you have claimed then you cant have real territorial control and real guild politics. As for them being on "my" side, as I said before, I want to decide who is on my side, not the devs.
Anyway it can be hard to understand because it is a different way of looking at PvP. Not worse or better, just different.
Makes me want to vomit. We the players interested in this game do NOT want your FFA crap. MMO's are about community and ffa ruleset make that community stupid. You hate everyone and everyone hates you , outside of your little gang.
And you got it backward , you don't decide who you fight. DEV makes the game the way they want , it's for you to like it or not . Try AoC if you want boring ffa.
The setting is a war. Like WW2 , as a british you might not liked fighting with americans ( just an exemple) but you sure don't shoot them in the back because you feel like it.You are allied and have a common ennemy. As country politics goes out the windows in said scenario , so does your "guild politics" small scale crap. The ennemy is invading our cities. FFA is completly retarded with the design of this game.
Mythic will never give you FFA. So just stop , it's not happening . move along to another game.
We dont serve your kind here.
That last sentence kind of scared me...
but anywho...yah, there won't be FFA servers. Just stop bashing the dude for liking FFA. THis is obviously not the game for him, so let this thread die and we can move on with our lives.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
FFA is good in concept and would fit better in a world with a steampunk or futuristic setting because that's what you have today - gangs have territory and they can betray each other, but they choose who they want to ally with and for how long. If they do stab someone in the back they better be prepared for some retribution. But WAR is a different type of game.
I honestly think there's some FFA PvP games around the corner, or at least games with FFA servers. WAR would do something like that if it weren't for the fact that it goes 100% against their lore. If you're fighting for your survival, why would you kill your allied soldier? Just because he called your momma fat? No, it's a different type of thinking.
Though, the best thing I would like about FFA PvP is if someone annoyed you too much...
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Mark has said there will not be an FFA server. The game isn't designed for it. If you are wanting FFA go play an FFA game, this game was never advertised as FFA. In fact they never said PvP, they always call it RvR. PvP detontes 1 on 1. RvR is how they balance and tweak the game.
FFA (ala choose your own allies) is a flawed mechanic at best and tends to only work in games that are designed specifically for it or games who's IP revolves around it. Warhammer has never let players make up their own 'sides' it wouldnt' be Warhammer if the dev's allowed this I don't understand your grounds here OP.
This is Warhammer your either for the Empire, Chaos, Greenskins, Dwarves, Tomb Kings, etc etc there is no "I'm for the RedMorons Clan".
This constant stance by certain types of people make no damn sense if you want a game that plays that way don't bother coming to forum boards for IP based games. Go complain on D&D online where you SHOULD be able to do this, Anarchy Online, EQ2, etc etc games that are more 'freeform' where the world isn't already 'designed' to its fullest extent.
I'm just waiting for complaints on Star Trek to start "How come I can't have a federation ship but be aligned with the Klingons and the Borg instead?" stupid remarks.
Honestly some of you guys are getting worked up over nothing. All he said was he enjoys FFA type game play over faction based game play. He was asking a simple question if this game will have something FFA or if it's only faction based. I don't see why you guys have to bash him and say "You're kind isn't welcome in our game." That was just immature and rude, I don't think he ever once said "Hey, WAR should have FFA PVP where I can kill everyone because I want to." He just asked if there was a designated server type.
I assume Mark is a dev and he said there wont be an FFA server? Thank you, thats what I needed to know. Not start some kind of flamewar about which is better and what fits the lore or not.
I guess I could have used a better title as subject but didnt expect people to be so sensetive about a game.
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I assume Mark is a dev and he said there wont be an FFA server? Thank you, thats what I needed to know. Not start some kind of flamewar about which is better and what fits the lore or not.
I guess I could have used a better title as subject but didnt expect people to be so sensetive about a game.
Expect a little sensitivity. There is a lot of emotion that goes into MMOs
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I was not, I was trying to explain what I mean when I said the PvP in this game seems scripted (an impression I got after watching some vids about the PvP or RvR) and also what I mean with FFA because people were saying stuff like: Why would you want to kill your allies? This is not a ganking game and so on.
But really, I got the information I want and I promise I will never, ever post here again (until they wise up and implement FFA PvP servers
).
That was a joke, turn off the gas on your flamethrowers people...
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I was not, I was trying to explain what I mean when I said the PvP in this game seems scripted (an impression I got after watching some vids about the PvP or RvR) and also what I mean with FFA because people were saying stuff like: Why would you want to kill your allies? This is not a ganking game and so on.
But really, I got the information I want and I promise I will never, ever post here again (until they wise up and implement FFA PvP servers
).
That was a joke, turn off the gas on your flamethrowers people...
but really...you should check out Mortal Online or Darkfall. I really think you would enjoy those games.
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Meow