It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Having played the game in all versions including the current. Gear dosent matter, hell level hardly matters sometimes.
I will show you guys a video when NDA drops. A moron in good gear mashing 1 button (ala warrior mashing mortal strike) getting flattened by a runepriest in basics.
you can earn 40% of your stats by gear or whatever... but 100% of your stats dont = your damage.
There are too many buttons to push in this game for gear to be the rule all factor like it was in wow.
and kids, eventually there will be a stat cap at the endgame.... its MYTHIC they balance EVERYTHING
Please define skill in MMORPG's.. Nobody could answer me this in the last 10 years.
Knowing your strenghts, and building upon them. Letting your enemy not take advantage of your weaknesses. Knowing your opponent(pve or pvp) and exploiting their weaknesses.
There are the "unskilled", the "skilled", and then you have the "OMFG he rules". Of course, people are stuck in between those stages also. A lot of it has to do with experience or lack thereof. To get the be a master I'd imagine you have to be pretty darn smart, too. Just look at Ortofon's videos from DAoC. This guy was without a doubt the most skilled player in DAoC. He made everyone look like a newb.
Your question is like asking a boxing what makes him skilled. "You just throw punches, dude! How does that make you any good?" He's trained to box, he's knows how to exploit people's weaknesses, he knows his weaknesses, and keeps his opponent from them. If he doesn't he loses.
The problem with gear is not whether it adds a lot to your character's power in pvp, but how easily acessible that gear is, and how much differfence there is between easily attainable, and rare gear. In DAOC you could get cheap player made gear that was very close to the effectiveness of the best gear. If WAR does the same thing, ie, gear you can get through public quests, is near as good the best gear in the game, then gear will not be a huge factor in pvp.
I predict the thing that will make people overpowered in pvp, more than gear, is skill unlocks, like extra moral abilites and stuff from teh TOK, and skills gained from renown ranks.
Having played the game in all versions including the current. Gear dosent matter, hell level hardly matters sometimes.
I will show you guys a video when NDA drops. A moron in good gear mashing 1 button (ala warrior mashing mortal strike) getting flattened by a runepriest in basics.
you can earn 40% of your stats by gear or whatever... but 100% of your stats dont = your damage.
There are too many buttons to push in this game for gear to be the rule all factor like it was in wow.
and kids, eventually there will be a stat cap at the endgame.... its MYTHIC they balance EVERYTHING
Calm down Kraiden, I remember being your guild leader in WoW for a while a couple of years ago. Bill & Ape & Kraiden. I guess you didnt change much if you still hang around games like WoW/WAR.
did you make a new account just to troll? here's a few things that matter when it comes to pvp(in no particular order): -player skill Myth -tactics Hype -morale Myth -renown achievements Hype -gear True -group Myth -communication Hype
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs.
All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read.
The reason some people may refer to you as a Troll is not because you are speaking some kind of truth and giving a valid observation of the mechanics and dynamics of the game. It is because you are comming to this board and naysaying and denigrating any aspect of the game that someone else may view as positive. If you are pre-disposed to dislike a particular kind of game or product, then it is not the product for you to enjoy. Letting everyone know your are in disagreement with the majority of posters here about what you like in a game does not prove the game is bad, it only proves you are not the intended audience for the product. That being the case, please feel free to wisely spend your money on products you do enjoy, and leave those people who plan to enjoy playing WAR to our discussion of the relative merits of the product we do plan to buy and play.
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Indeed it does, but that's part of the gear thing right? We're comparing an actual player skill (ability combinations + reactions) with the game mechanics.
Using a word guarantee almost always makes people look like a fool especially on forums. Guarantee is a wrong verbal use. Guaranty is an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or an official assurance for the fullfilment of a condition. So Im asking again if you were serious. How much are you gonna pay me if I prove you wrong.
After the AOC debacle that had people in CB telling us the truths about it s state, i m going to go with what people in CB for WAR are saying. So it sounds like it s not entirely gear based which is good. I have tried the game out and i m under no NDA and from what i tried it didn t seem to matter much on gear, it really seemed who knew their class more mattered.
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Indeed it does, but that's part of the gear thing right? We're comparing an actual player skill (ability combinations + reactions) with the game mechanics.
Using a word guarantee almost always makes people look like a fool especially on forums. Guarantee is a wrong verbal use. Guaranty is an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or an official assurance for the fullfilment of a condition. So Im asking again if you were serious. How much are you gonna pay me if I prove you wrong.
you're still trying to make me think you might actually be in beta after you refer tactics and morale to being "part of the gear thing?"
I ain't giving money but i will apologize for sticking my foot in my mouth.
so the question is are you in CB and basing your opinions on actual in-game experience
edit: well its been about 30-45 minutes since i called you out and wanted you to post on CB forums. this leads me to believe you don't have access to the forums or looking for someone that does and can help you out by C&P the post.
you're still trying to make me think you might actually be in beta after you refer tactics and morale to being "part of the gear thing?"
I ain't giving money but i will apologize for sticking my foot in my mouth. so the question is are you in CB and basing your opinions on actual in-game experience
No, the question is, why do you guarantee things when you're not gonna pay if you're proved wrong. .. Or did you just guarantee to say sorry if you're wrong? That's a bit radicilous.
you're still trying to make me think you might actually be in beta after you refer tactics and morale to being "part of the gear thing?"
I ain't giving money but i will apologize for sticking my foot in my mouth. so the question is are you in CB and basing your opinions on actual in-game experience
No, the question is, why are you guarantee things when you're not gonna pay if you're proved wrong. .. Or did you just guarantee to say sorry if you're wrong? That's a bit radicilous.
Good god, mellow out. If you re in CB say if you re not say. It s an easy question. As far as guaranteeing goes sure maybe not a good idea, but i ll take his word for it over yours, who s agenda seems to be bash whatever he can, whenever he can.
I would say skill in an MMORPG = How well you use the long list of abilities your class has against other classes in the midst of large battles and individual battles. How well you design your guys skill tree along, set up your hotbar, and apply the right gear combination to accent the build. Positioning and knowing the map or area plays a part.. which you can say also is true with other type of games.
Reaction time, dodging, bunny hopping is for First Person Shooters. If that's what you want for skill, then that is your game, why post here?
Well, I don't think anyone here is looking for dodging, bunny hopping, or pinpoint accuracy for headshots.
Personally, I just want a game that requires some thought on the user's end, instead of gear being the only factor. Yes, I'm exaggerating... but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask WAR to have PvP more reliant on the user's skill rather than the user's gear.
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given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Having played the game in all versions including the current. Gear dosent matter, hell level hardly matters sometimes.
I will show you guys a video when NDA drops. A moron in good gear mashing 1 button (ala warrior mashing mortal strike) getting flattened by a runepriest in basics.
you can earn 40% of your stats by gear or whatever... but 100% of your stats dont = your damage.
There are too many buttons to push in this game for gear to be the rule all factor like it was in wow.
and kids, eventually there will be a stat cap at the endgame.... its MYTHIC they balance EVERYTHING
Knowing your strenghts, and building upon them. Letting your enemy not take advantage of your weaknesses. Knowing your opponent(pve or pvp) and exploiting their weaknesses.
There are the "unskilled", the "skilled", and then you have the "OMFG he rules". Of course, people are stuck in between those stages also. A lot of it has to do with experience or lack thereof. To get the be a master I'd imagine you have to be pretty darn smart, too. Just look at Ortofon's videos from DAoC. This guy was without a doubt the most skilled player in DAoC. He made everyone look like a newb.
Your question is like asking a boxing what makes him skilled. "You just throw punches, dude! How does that make you any good?" He's trained to box, he's knows how to exploit people's weaknesses, he knows his weaknesses, and keeps his opponent from them. If he doesn't he loses.
The problem with gear is not whether it adds a lot to your character's power in pvp, but how easily acessible that gear is, and how much differfence there is between easily attainable, and rare gear. In DAOC you could get cheap player made gear that was very close to the effectiveness of the best gear. If WAR does the same thing, ie, gear you can get through public quests, is near as good the best gear in the game, then gear will not be a huge factor in pvp.
I predict the thing that will make people overpowered in pvp, more than gear, is skill unlocks, like extra moral abilites and stuff from teh TOK, and skills gained from renown ranks.
Calm down Kraiden, I remember being your guild leader in WoW for a while a couple of years ago. Bill & Ape & Kraiden. I guess you didnt change much if you still hang around games like WoW/WAR.
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs.
All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read.
The reason some people may refer to you as a Troll is not because you are speaking some kind of truth and giving a valid observation of the mechanics and dynamics of the game. It is because you are comming to this board and naysaying and denigrating any aspect of the game that someone else may view as positive. If you are pre-disposed to dislike a particular kind of game or product, then it is not the product for you to enjoy. Letting everyone know your are in disagreement with the majority of posters here about what you like in a game does not prove the game is bad, it only proves you are not the intended audience for the product. That being the case, please feel free to wisely spend your money on products you do enjoy, and leave those people who plan to enjoy playing WAR to our discussion of the relative merits of the product we do plan to buy and play.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Indeed it does, but that's part of the gear thing right? We're comparing an actual player skill (ability combinations + reactions) with the game mechanics.
Using a word guarantee almost always makes people look like a fool especially on forums. Guarantee is a wrong verbal use. Guaranty is an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or an official assurance for the fullfilment of a condition. So Im asking again if you were serious. How much are you gonna pay me if I prove you wrong.
After the AOC debacle that had people in CB telling us the truths about it s state, i m going to go with what people in CB for WAR are saying. So it sounds like it s not entirely gear based which is good. I have tried the game out and i m under no NDA and from what i tried it didn t seem to matter much on gear, it really seemed who knew their class more mattered.
nah, i called him a troll cause of 2 things
1) brand new account
2) all posts have nothing constructive to say
this leads me to believe he made the account to troll and get attention.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Indeed it does, but that's part of the gear thing right? We're comparing an actual player skill (ability combinations + reactions) with the game mechanics.
Using a word guarantee almost always makes people look like a fool especially on forums. Guarantee is a wrong verbal use. Guaranty is an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or an official assurance for the fullfilment of a condition. So Im asking again if you were serious. How much are you gonna pay me if I prove you wrong.
you're still trying to make me think you might actually be in beta after you refer tactics and morale to being "part of the gear thing?"
I ain't giving money but i will apologize for sticking my foot in my mouth.
so the question is are you in CB and basing your opinions on actual in-game experience
edit: well its been about 30-45 minutes since i called you out and wanted you to post on CB forums. this leads me to believe you don't have access to the forums or looking for someone that does and can help you out by C&P the post.
No, the question is, why do you guarantee things when you're not gonna pay if you're proved wrong. .. Or did you just guarantee to say sorry if you're wrong? That's a bit radicilous.
No, the question is, why are you guarantee things when you're not gonna pay if you're proved wrong. .. Or did you just guarantee to say sorry if you're wrong? That's a bit radicilous.
Good god, mellow out. If you re in CB say if you re not say. It s an easy question. As far as guaranteeing goes sure maybe not a good idea, but i ll take his word for it over yours, who s agenda seems to be bash whatever he can, whenever he can.
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I would say skill in an MMORPG =
How well you use the long list of abilities your class has against other classes in the midst of large battles and individual battles.
How well you design your guys skill tree along, set up your hotbar, and apply the right gear combination to accent the build.
Positioning and knowing the map or area plays a part.. which you can say also is true with other type of games.
Reaction time, dodging, bunny hopping is for First Person Shooters. If that's what you want for skill, then that is your game, why post here?
Well, I don't think anyone here is looking for dodging, bunny hopping, or pinpoint accuracy for headshots.
Personally, I just want a game that requires some thought on the user's end, instead of gear being the only factor. Yes, I'm exaggerating... but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask WAR to have PvP more reliant on the user's skill rather than the user's gear.