There has also been a writeup in PC Master of greece also. Nothing much just the same sht from the conference.
And considering everything from the conference was the same shit everyone saw and new already over a year ago it makes all of this completely USELESS as usual.
Anyone surprised?
Nope, but it looks like they might be coming out of their shell again in late august early sept. So at least things will be interesting in the coming months
Nice translation. The Neocron stuff is wrong, Tasos have said that on the official forum.He also said that the magazine got him wrong in many things. The magazine says they did not!
he he.
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
Nice translation. The Neocron stuff is wrong, Tasos have said that on the official forum.He also said that the magazine got him wrong in many things. The magazine says they did not!
he he.
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Is it only me, or do you think that Tasos Flam. looks like he got beaten to death ?
Nice article btw... 3M followers.... only 50k joined his forums yea sure..
Rumours about Ubisoft publishing for them, it looks as if AVE killed the lights here ... Release of the game has been moved to end of 2008 and now got the status: "Maybe" .. ROFL
There has also been a writeup in PC Master of greece also. Nothing much just the same sht from the conference.
And considering everything from the conference was the same shit everyone saw and new already over a year ago it makes all of this completely USELESS as usual.
Anyone surprised?
There is no new information because those writeups were not about Darkfall specifically, but about the Greek Game Developers Conference.
The purpose for which Aventurine went to the conference in the first place was not to announce beta or anything, but to present Darkfall to the greek game developer community and greek computer game media. And as has been confirmed from gameworld.gr, PC Master and Games magazine this has been done flawlessly.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Nice translation. The Neocron stuff is wrong, Tasos have said that on the official forum.He also said that the magazine got him wrong in many things. The magazine says they did not!
he he.
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Not being on any credit list doesnt count? lol. Ok.
Nice translation. The Neocron stuff is wrong, Tasos have said that on the official forum.He also said that the magazine got him wrong in many things. The magazine says they did not!
he he.
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Not being on any credit list doesnt count? lol. Ok.
actully they dont list everyone
and i think the translation is messed up because I know he used to play AC
like i said just drop it no point in argueing about something like that
Nice translation. The Neocron stuff is wrong, Tasos have said that on the official forum.He also said that the magazine got him wrong in many things. The magazine says they did not!
he he.
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Not being on any credit list doesnt count? lol. Ok.
actully they dont list everyone
and i think the translation is messed up because I know he used to play AC
like i said just drop it no point in argueing about something like that
You really dont have a clue do you?
The even list people who dont even do anything but make the coffee in the " Special Thanks " category. Tasos didnt even make that list. Not listed in any of them. None. Nada. Zero. Full credit lists have been posted here so go ahead and keep on trying to spin it but you are wasting your time as its already been proven through numerous sources.
Its clear he didnt work with ANY of those companies / projects / games. It is also clear how much they can get away with in Greece considering how they believed that one of the videos shown at GGDC were never shown to anyone but eveyone here can see that was a lie.
What was the list again? AC , MSN Gaming Zone , Age of Empires? I even heard mention of him saying he worked on Dark Age of Camelot and know for a fact that is not true.
he didnt say doac We have already people asking these companys They wont even say no. if he didnt they should be able to say no. if he did they couldnt answer you anyways because its personal info.
They would not even waste their time in replying if they didn't know what the hell you were talking about. Especially for some nobody who mails them from some hotmail email
he didnt say doac We have already people asking these companys They wont even say no. if he didnt they should be able to say no. if he did they couldnt answer you anyways because its personal info.
They would not even waste their time in replying if they didn't know what the hell you were talking about. Especially for some nobody who mails them from some hotmail email
I dont care if it comes out or not but I have to say the game has generated some of the best threads and posts of all time. Who knows maybe Tasos and the crew are so smart they are using all this mystery as free advertising and lets face it the game almost has mass appeal due to the rumours and counter rumours. Really cracks me up and if it does come out I am going to play on day one just to see all the trolls spew the stuff in general chat.
On a more serious note there is only two scenarios here. The developers are running the gaming worlds biggest scam and ripping off their investors or they are working on a game which will launch regardless and it will be a POC or the next big leap in MMO's.
On a more serious note there is only two scenarios here. The developers are running the gaming worlds biggest scam and ripping off their investors or they are working on a game which will launch regardless and it will be a POC or the next big leap in MMO's.
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
On a more serious note there is only two scenarios here. The developers are running the gaming worlds biggest scam and ripping off their investors or they are working on a game which will launch regardless and it will be a POC or the next big leap in MMO's.
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
There is a reason for that.... It leads to a flop just like Archlord , Shadowbane .. ect.
Ultima Online wasnt a flop...not until EA began tinkering with it i would call EVE a success too - thats the route that Darkfall needs to take, make a good game and stick with it... ...i only hope that is the reason they are taking so long and showing nothing. but it's hard not to wonder other things...
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
Is this the first time Neocron has been mentioned in relation to Darkfall? After seven years? Maybe it was supposed to remain secret. Actually, it probably does give the game's release more credibility in a way. It makes it more likely this group of inexperienced developers could come up with something in seven years. I thought that previously the impression was given that they were building Darkfall from scratch?
It's complete bullshit. Darkfall was started by 3-4 guys in Norway in an apartment. They had nothing to do with Neocron.
Ultima Online wasnt a flop...not until EA began tinkering with it i would call EVE a success too - thats the route that Darkfall needs to take, make a good game and stick with it... ...i only hope that is the reason they are taking so long and showing nothing. but it's hard not to wonder other things...
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
bull, it wasn't a flop because it was an excellent game
it did not get "demolished" by EQ until EA changed it to be similar to EQ
Ultima Online wasnt a flop...not until EA began tinkering with it i would call EVE a success too - thats the route that Darkfall needs to take, make a good game and stick with it... ...i only hope that is the reason they are taking so long and showing nothing. but it's hard not to wonder other things...
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
bull, it wasn't a flop because it was an excellent game
it did not get "demolished" by EQ until EA changed it to be similar to EQ
You're being a revisionist. UO was the only commercial quality MMO back then, if you wanted to play an MMO you had to play UO, this forced the PKers (not exactly what I'd call PvP enthusiasts, since PvP enthusiasts don't really care about the oft mentioned and lauded risk/reward system, where satisfaction is derived and dependant on not simply besting your opponent in similar conditions, but punishing him for losing in any conditions as well.) and people who played the game for social and adventuring opportunities to play the same game together. When EQ came out to give the latter, the vast majority, refuge, UO started losing subscribers like a sinking ship, and Trammel was devised to stop the drain. If it hadn't been for Trammel UO wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. There's a reason why after Trammel was added Felucca was barren wastelands and all the PKers were crying about it.
On a more serious note there is only two scenarios here. The developers are running the gaming worlds biggest scam and ripping off their investors or they are working on a game which will launch regardless and it will be a POC or the next big leap in MMO's.
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
There is a reason for that.... It leads to a flop just like Archlord , Shadowbane .. ect.
Just to clarify guys, Archlord's concepts are not based on "1999 games" and actually had a couple unique ideas of its own. Shadowbane flopped because of a major game bug known as "SB.exe" that would CTD people constanrtly. However, Shadowbane's concepts were some of the best that sadly many did not see due to poor programming.
On a more serious note there is only two scenarios here. The developers are running the gaming worlds biggest scam and ripping off their investors or they are working on a game which will launch regardless and it will be a POC or the next big leap in MMO's.
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
There is a reason for that.... It leads to a flop just like Archlord , Shadowbane .. ect.
Just to clarify guys, Archlord's concepts are not based on "1999 games" and actually had a couple unique ideas of its own. Shadowbane flopped because of a major game bug known as "SB.exe" that would CTD people constanrtly. However, Shadowbane's concepts were some of the best that sadly many did not see due to poor programming.
Point to click movement as the only option was also not a good idea.
The main point being that PvP as the main draw leads to flops.
Ultima Online wasnt a flop...not until EA began tinkering with it i would call EVE a success too - thats the route that Darkfall needs to take, make a good game and stick with it... ...i only hope that is the reason they are taking so long and showing nothing. but it's hard not to wonder other things...
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
EQ did in no way demolish UO.
What demolished UO was the introduction of item based PvP (carebear) with Age of Shadows february 2003.
It made UO something totally different from what it used to be - a skillbased MMORPG PvP game.
The introduction of trammel (carebear also) didnt save UO at all. UO would have had way more subs without trammel.
UO was at it top subscription wise february 2003 and from there its been all downhill. Age of Shadows (itembased PvP and carebear) was introduced february 2003 and isnt it strange that from that point UO lost subscribers.=)
From this we can learn that introducing carebearism to a PvP game like UO was what REALLY destroyed the game. Dont listen to the carebears trying to convince you there version of what happened.
Right. Let's use that chart. Do you see the growth of the game before 2000? Do you see the spike during/after 2000? Do you know what happened to UO in 2000? Trammel happened.
If Trammel was so bad and EQ was so inferior and not the average player's choice, why, after Trammel, was Felucca a barren wasteland no one ever went to anymore, even with increased subs and why did EQ's sub numbers rocketed past UO's in no time. That time there was only a certain amount of new people a game could draw into the market, and if that's what happened and assuming EQ did not take subs from UO, then EQ did and UO couldn't.
Pissing contest aside their is a market for full loot open FFA pvp. The rise of UO freeshards and the success of eve online make that pretty obvious. Too be honest i think darkfall should of done what eve did, have differing levels of FFA. IN the more carebear areas people will be able to mine, do quests, but if you really want loot and the best materials to gather you have to risk it in a FFA full loot area.
Plus things might not be as bad as people seem to make them out too be. Given the lack of radar it is going to be pretty easy to sneak away. Also the alignment system seems like it will be like UO, very few places to spawn. Given the size of the world this is gonna suck more then it did in UO.
Being FFA and full loot though is not going to make darkfall crip the bucket. There is a big enough market for it.
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And considering everything from the conference was the same shit everyone saw and new already over a year ago it makes all of this completely USELESS as usual.
Anyone surprised?
Nope, but it looks like they might be coming out of their shell again in late august early sept. So at least things will be interesting in the coming months
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Is it only me, or do you think that Tasos Flam. looks like he got beaten to death ?
Nice article btw... 3M followers.... only 50k joined his forums
yea sure..
Rumours about Ubisoft publishing for them, it looks as if AVE killed the lights here
... Release of the game has been moved to end of 2008 and now got the status: "Maybe" 
.. ROFL
And considering everything from the conference was the same shit everyone saw and new already over a year ago it makes all of this completely USELESS as usual.
Anyone surprised?
There is no new information because those writeups were not about Darkfall specifically, but about the Greek Game Developers Conference.
The purpose for which Aventurine went to the conference in the first place was not to announce beta or anything, but to present Darkfall to the greek game developer community and greek computer game media. And as has been confirmed from gameworld.gr, PC Master and Games magazine this has been done flawlessly.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
hmm maybe i should go and take a peek again and look at their amazing java made game (that doesnt even run)
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Not being on any credit list doesnt count? lol. Ok.
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Not being on any credit list doesnt count? lol. Ok.
actully they dont list everyone
and i think the translation is messed up because I know he used to play AC
like i said just drop it no point in argueing about something like that
Yeah, still waiting for him to correct them on his work history. Guess he "forgot" that part.
That may or may not be right. theres no proof either way
Not being on any credit list doesnt count? lol. Ok.
actully they dont list everyone
and i think the translation is messed up because I know he used to play AC
like i said just drop it no point in argueing about something like that
You really dont have a clue do you?
The even list people who dont even do anything but make the coffee in the " Special Thanks " category. Tasos didnt even make that list. Not listed in any of them. None. Nada. Zero. Full credit lists have been posted here so go ahead and keep on trying to spin it but you are wasting your time as its already been proven through numerous sources.
Its clear he didnt work with ANY of those companies / projects / games. It is also clear how much they can get away with in Greece considering how they believed that one of the videos shown at GGDC were never shown to anyone but eveyone here can see that was a lie.
What was the list again? AC , MSN Gaming Zone , Age of Empires? I even heard mention of him saying he worked on Dark Age of Camelot and know for a fact that is not true.
he didnt say doac
We have already people asking these companys
They wont even say no. if he didnt they should be able to say no. if he did they couldnt answer you anyways because its personal info.
but hey keep thinking the way you do.
They would not even waste their time in replying if they didn't know what the hell you were talking about. Especially for some nobody who mails them from some hotmail email
They would not even waste their time in replying if they didn't know what the hell you were talking about. Especially for some nobody who mails them from some hotmail email
whatever dude
I dont care if it comes out or not but I have to say the game has generated some of the best threads and posts of all time. Who knows maybe Tasos and the crew are so smart they are using all this mystery as free advertising and lets face it the game almost has mass appeal due to the rumours and counter rumours. Really cracks me up and if it does come out I am going to play on day one just to see all the trolls spew the stuff in general chat.
On a more serious note there is only two scenarios here. The developers are running the gaming worlds biggest scam and ripping off their investors or they are working on a game which will launch regardless and it will be a POC or the next big leap in MMO's.
Whatever happens its been great value so far
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
There is a reason for that.... It leads to a flop just like Archlord , Shadowbane .. ect.
Ultima Online wasnt a flop...not until EA began tinkering with it
i would call EVE a success too - thats the route that Darkfall needs to take, make a good game and stick with it...
...i only hope that is the reason they are taking so long and showing nothing.
but it's hard not to wonder other things...
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
It's complete bullshit. Darkfall was started by 3-4 guys in Norway in an apartment. They had nothing to do with Neocron.
Neocron was built by Reakktor from Germany.
yea taso said that part was a misquote
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
bull, it wasn't a flop because it was an excellent game
it did not get "demolished" by EQ until EA changed it to be similar to EQ
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
bull, it wasn't a flop because it was an excellent game
it did not get "demolished" by EQ until EA changed it to be similar to EQ
You're being a revisionist. UO was the only commercial quality MMO back then, if you wanted to play an MMO you had to play UO, this forced the PKers (not exactly what I'd call PvP enthusiasts, since PvP enthusiasts don't really care about the oft mentioned and lauded risk/reward system, where satisfaction is derived and dependant on not simply besting your opponent in similar conditions, but punishing him for losing in any conditions as well.) and people who played the game for social and adventuring opportunities to play the same game together. When EQ came out to give the latter, the vast majority, refuge, UO started losing subscribers like a sinking ship, and Trammel was devised to stop the drain. If it hadn't been for Trammel UO wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. There's a reason why after Trammel was added Felucca was barren wastelands and all the PKers were crying about it.
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
There is a reason for that.... It leads to a flop just like Archlord , Shadowbane .. ect.
Just to clarify guys, Archlord's concepts are not based on "1999 games" and actually had a couple unique ideas of its own. Shadowbane flopped because of a major game bug known as "SB.exe" that would CTD people constanrtly. However, Shadowbane's concepts were some of the best that sadly many did not see due to poor programming.
Next leap in MMO's? Darkfall is nothing more than a generic PvP MMORPG built off of ideas from 1999 games.
shame there isn't more "generic pvp mmoprgs built off of ideas from 1999 games"
There is a reason for that.... It leads to a flop just like Archlord , Shadowbane .. ect.
Just to clarify guys, Archlord's concepts are not based on "1999 games" and actually had a couple unique ideas of its own. Shadowbane flopped because of a major game bug known as "SB.exe" that would CTD people constanrtly. However, Shadowbane's concepts were some of the best that sadly many did not see due to poor programming.
Point to click movement as the only option was also not a good idea.
The main point being that PvP as the main draw leads to flops.
UO wasnt a flop because it was one of the first big scale MMOs.. If the game were re released today.. it would be a flop. It got demolished by EQ then and would be demolished by WoW , WAR , EQ2 , LOTRO ect. now.
The history of MMOs shows what the majority wants and what they do not want. The flops of PvP games show that MMO gamers do not want or care about gankfests. Hence how Trammel kept UO afloat.
EQ did in no way demolish UO.
What demolished UO was the introduction of item based PvP (carebear) with Age of Shadows february 2003.
It made UO something totally different from what it used to be - a skillbased MMORPG PvP game.
http://www.uo.com/ageofshadows/faq.html
The introduction of trammel (carebear also) didnt save UO at all. UO would have had way more subs without trammel.
UO was at it top subscription wise february 2003 and from there its been all downhill. Age of Shadows (itembased PvP and carebear) was introduced february 2003 and isnt it strange that from that point UO lost subscribers.=)
From this we can learn that introducing carebearism to a PvP game like UO was what REALLY destroyed the game. Dont listen to the carebears trying to convince you there version of what happened.
http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html
Right. Let's use that chart. Do you see the growth of the game before 2000? Do you see the spike during/after 2000? Do you know what happened to UO in 2000? Trammel happened.
If Trammel was so bad and EQ was so inferior and not the average player's choice, why, after Trammel, was Felucca a barren wasteland no one ever went to anymore, even with increased subs and why did EQ's sub numbers rocketed past UO's in no time. That time there was only a certain amount of new people a game could draw into the market, and if that's what happened and assuming EQ did not take subs from UO, then EQ did and UO couldn't.
Pissing contest aside their is a market for full loot open FFA pvp. The rise of UO freeshards and the success of eve online make that pretty obvious. Too be honest i think darkfall should of done what eve did, have differing levels of FFA. IN the more carebear areas people will be able to mine, do quests, but if you really want loot and the best materials to gather you have to risk it in a FFA full loot area.
Plus things might not be as bad as people seem to make them out too be. Given the lack of radar it is going to be pretty easy to sneak away. Also the alignment system seems like it will be like UO, very few places to spawn. Given the size of the world this is gonna suck more then it did in UO.
Being FFA and full loot though is not going to make darkfall crip the bucket. There is a big enough market for it.