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I hate NDA Boy Scouts
jiveturkey12
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I hate it when someone says something like "I was playing the closed beta for a game and I didnt like the way the water looked"
and then the next post is from some Guy that has to be a boy scout about it and go "Reported for breaking the NDA! Have a nice time in bansville!"
Why do people care so much about the NDA? Seriously if someone is going to state what they feel is in the game let them. If a moderator finds that it break NDA let them take it off. Posting sometihng that breaks the NDA doesnt make a person less credible then someone who waits till the day a game comes out to post how much they like or dislike a game.
Think of this way, lets say everyone is a law abiding citizen. Some people run some stop signs, go a couple miles over, or go a bit over the lines that are drawn on the road that you are supposed to stop at.
Does that make them a criminal? Does that make them an untrust worthy person? NO!
-Jive
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Not being an outlaw site, I think mmorpg.com is in a tough place. Trying to retain friendly relations with both the industry, and with its own subscribers. But I have a certain distaste for the Boy Scouts, as you call them, too. Let the mods do their job. In my opinion NDAs are not in the interest of the forum members here. They are now largely being used, in the last couple of weeks before a release anyway, as a tool to try and rip us off with.
In a related vein, I'd also like to see the censorship lifted here on a certain Star Wars Galaxies project. Pre-CU SWG is abandonware, plain and simple. And free speech is free speech. But this is just a peeve. I do still enjoy this site with its current level of moderation (which is generally fairly lax).
NDA's are only in the interest of the company, never the players.
yes i hate people like that too.
I totally agree. The most annoying seem to be the ones that are unsure as to the criteria that even warrant a NDA breach and start screaming at any mention of the Beta whatsoever.
It's the job of the mods to keep things under check, not a bunch of NDA vigilantes.
Look, when people agreed to test the game for a company, they agreed to play by their rules.
They made them a promise.
If they then come here and spill their guts, then they broke that promise.
This makes them untrustworthy and a liar.
Why the hell should I trust what they have to say on that basis? What makes them suddenly a reliable source of information. By definition they are a liar already.
Now, I dont ever call people out or any of that on this, but do I trust what people say as a NDA breakers or take them seriously?
No.
Because they are liars.
I hate them to death.
Perhaps because it gives us a reason to use that nifty "report" tool, which has "NDA" as a choice. If they didn't want it reported, it wouldn't be an option. So, complain to mmorpg.com, not us. I'm sure they'll have sympathy for you and change it right away.
I agree, when you enter a game's a NDA, then you should damn well have the common sense to be able to follow their rules, as they are allowing you to play their game. Don't piss and moan about it, as it makes people like you seem like an asshole period. Someone may say something that might cause another person not to play that particular game, sadly because people are superficial like that. That is why the NDA is set up in the first place.
I hate the NDA too but its just so all the flaws of the game cant damage the hype before release.
bad or not...NDA is important. Sure a beta has alot of flaws and if ppl talk about them it could ruin the release, but if a games is in beta it should be flawed. The whole point is to find flaws so devs can start fixing or balancing things out prior to release. Even when the game is released its expected to be flawed and having alot of patches is to be expected. This is just signs that the devs are doing the best they can to improve the game for everyone.
gamers that break NDA deserve a ban. If you agree to NDA so you get a chance to play beta then you should be man enough to honor that agreement. Testers can praise/flame all they want once the NDA is lifted
The problem is when the game has so many flaws just before release that you know arn't going to be fixed within 6 months.
Quoted for Truth
It is an agreement between you and the gaming company. You can play their game as long as you do not report about it.
Go ahead and spend millions of dollars on a project, you are nowhere near finished and all of a sudden you get people calling you up and asking why is your game vaporware, why you lied about your game features, do you really have no idea to make a game, etc..
Scratch your head and ask where people could have any idea that they came up with these problems, all because some putz that you let in to your game is spreading lies about it. The reason the lies have legs, because he tags himself as a alpha/beta tester..
So while I can understand from a fans perspective that you want to know more about a game NOW, you can get the picture why a company needs to keep things under control. While little things will leak out just like anything else in the world, if everyone ignores NDA policies, companies will be less likely to create MMOs we all enjoy. Why invest millions in such projects when it can be destroyed by a few people that were asked to test their game out?
Isnt HATE related topics reportable on mmorpg.com ?
playing eq2 and two worlds
so...do you want your badge now?
j/k mate!
I see both sides of the coin here:
I do agree that people should try and refrain from breaking NDAs, but giving your opinion of whether you like the game or not is just that...an opinion. As long as you do not give details about the game, then I dont see a problem.
People who have to report and then post about them reporting you just seems a little too much like attention grabbing to me. If you are going to report someone, just do it and move on. Don't go and post that you did it with some smartqzz comment about it.
But what do I know eh, just my opinions anyways!
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
I have to agree. I'm a strong proponent of the rights of copyright holders. I don't support hacking and illegal downloading of games, and I don't support things like EQ emulators.
It's stealing, no matter how you slice it.
But breaking an NDA? Today with the internets, anyone can put up a site and spread beta info. The NDA, well sure you can keep it up so that sites like this one won't spread Beta info, but I just don't care when someone breaks and NDA.
You can go somewhere like Beta Leaks and get all the info you want on any beta.
Why is the western culture so tolerant? Drives me CRAZY. I'm all for policing a policy and an agreement that you AGREED to. If you AGREED to the NDA, then don't break it. If you are going to spill your thoughts, then you should either keep your mouth shut, or do not play.
+1 to NDA police
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Hate Related:
"Hate related content based on nationality, race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc is not tolerated on the MMORPG.com forums."
I think it's fairly obvious, that this thread does not fall under that category at all.
On the topic of NDA violations.
A public witch hunt for nda breakers is something we do not want to see and will warn for . Nonetheless, someone who agrees to a NDA is supposed to respect it. If someone breaks the NDA for a game on mmorpg.com, it is best to report him/her for it, and leave the thread/post alone so a mod can look at it without several pages of discussing how the poster broke the nda.
Uh, because we live in Democracies which promote freedom of the individual?
Uh, because we live in Democracies which promote freedom of the individual?
If that 'freedom of the individual' translates into lying and contract breaking, and seeing nothing wrong with either, then Im not so sure of why you are proud about living in a democracy...
Of course, thats assuming I even agree with your simplistic and naive statement.
Uh, because we live in Democracies which promote freedom of the individual?
Bow your knee to "national security" and watch those freedoms slip through your fingers while you sleep.
To the OP, I've always thought that giving the opinion on something in-game that is under NDA isn't really breaking it. I don't know the specifics so I'm probably wrong, but the example you gave wouldn't really be breaking the NDA. You say you like the water in the game, but you don't explain why. "Oh, the ripple effects are very realistic, and I love the way it interacts with the land..." Now, that would probably be breaking NDA because it gives specific details that the devs don't want the public to know about yet.
I'm not saying the "boy scouts" are wrong, they should just make sure it's truly breaking NDA. It's the person in beta who has the responsibility - the mindset of "OOH I'm TELLING!" is annoying though. Let the mods handle it, but we need to report that post if it truly is breaking NDA. We don't have to scream it out to the whole world so we can get a badge though.
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If a company didnt have an NDA they wouldnt be able to lie about their game and have a huge marketing machine behind that lie. The NDA is used to deceive future players.
I do understand ndas, but i prefer the humorous aproach
This is one of those things where there is a grayline and that line is measured by each mod.
Saying: "damn I was in *insert game title* beta and the graphics for the bushes where dull." that is what I have to say the weakest NDA breach ever. This didn't leak anything, no 'AVOID' in it, just stating something.
now...
"OMG AVOID AVOID TERRIBLE GAME" on the forum is fucking dumb, AoC spawned so many anti-AoC trolls it sad. Yes the game evetually flopped but it was fun for the free month before the pvp servers got more carebear amd the lack of end-game content(never hit 80 had to much fun ganking while grinding).
NDA breachs are aginst the law, you sign a contract. If you come here to smear a game before NDAs are lifted that is your own fault and what the mods decide to do when they browse your post is up to them.
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just get your brother or something to get into the beta. Get him to log in to the game, then take over. You can spill your guts about anything you see in the game because you never singed a NDA.
I wonder if mmorpg.com would still ban you though
Oh wait so breaking a NDA to tell people how things are is 'evil' but game companies selling POS with 30% of content promised on the FINAL BOX is ok?
Sorry moral police. I think NDA breaking is a good thing especially if the game is close to release and still in a very bad state because people are sick of buying overhyped/advertised crap.
Get of your high horses. Thanks.