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Straight to the point: Potential WoW killer here?
Malvolentia
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It'd be silly to try and ignore the fact these two franchises are going to be competing for the same customers. So let's not.
I fell for the hype on AoC. Ya I got owned. AoC was pretty boring.
I don't expect Warhammer to come out perfect and without bugs. I know it's going to be rocky at the start. Every MMO is.
My question is to the long time DAOC and Mythic players and those who have been beta testing.
Does this game have potential to beat WoW in an overall better gaming experience?
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
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Well the only game which will be a WOW killer is WOW 2 and I can't see that happening for aslong as WOW is still popular and selling and you know Blizzard fans never quit. Also WAR will have far less content and far more bugs and the average mmo player will feel like why play WAR when you can play the much better and more polished WOW? WAR is really only going to be for the niche market and will never be popular like WOW, maybe in sales at first but we'll see the AOC effect shortly after.
Another problem WAR has is releasing before the WOW expansion so alot of people will leave and go back to WOW and also if the expansion fixes alot of problems people have with PVP like the crap battlegrounds then I can expect the WOW expansions PVP to outshine WAR's.
I can see WAR being popular amoung the best of the rest like EVE and EQ2 etc etc but never get to WOW's standard.
No... only WoW can kill itself.
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I think this game has more potential than most other competitors. AoC pales in comparison.
If the pvp is half as good as they claim it will be (all the RvR, instanced "bg's", and open pvp), then WoW will lose everyone from their pvp servers. The pve players will stay, but no pvper in their right mind can call themselves one and not play Warhammer.
We all know that the only game that will kill World of Warcraft will be a World of Starcraft
"Will WAR have a better overall gaming experience?"
Well your question would seem to be based upon personal preference. The answer is different for everyone.
Now if we are talking about a "WoW Killer" in terms of population. Honestly, probably not. I'd be extremely surprised to see another mmo hit WoW like world wide populations anytime soon.
WoW's release was extremely well timed, imo. The older mmos were getting stale or dated, EQ2 didn't seem very appealing and anything else was extremely niche. WoW not only cashed in on having mass appeal, but the fact that so many bought the game for the Blizzard and Warcraft names alone. WoW brought many new mmorpg gamers into the genre, more so than any other mmorpg. I guess WoW is to MMORPGs as FFVII was to North American RPGs, it just brought a ton of new blood into the genre with a mass appeal.
WoW still continues to have that mass appeal too, with the sheer amount of carrot-on-a-stick content to be had, there's always better loot, unique mount, rep to be ground, arena ratings, to be attained. WoW is also PvE centric, which means that folks who are not confrontational by nature will gravitate towards it.
Where WAR has the potential to hurt WoW is the pvp population. WoW's pvp is an utter joke. Battlegrounds and World PvP have taken a severe backseat to their overhyped and underdeveloped Arena E-Peen/Sport. Gear and resilience rating play such a vital role in PvP now that any fresh 70, or hell alt in lower tiers, gets completely stomped by folks who have already spent tons of time and money into the system. There isn't a way for a casual player to truly compete in such a system, or even break into the system with any chance for immediate success.
It seems Mythic's RvR system was the way to have a "mass" appeal to pvp, as DAoC was the first successful mmorpg to focus on a pvp aspect as endgame. WAR will hopefully continue to cash in on the uniqueness of the RvR system and bring a lot of fun and tactics into pvp again
My expectations for WAR is not hype or disappointment, since i already know what to expect since i've been following this closely for years now. When i finally got into beta, i was very very ....sorry can't say due to NDA!
If you're playing new MMOs to see if it's a WoW killer, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Play the MMO because you want to, not because you have to.
Well I'm trying to establish whether it's worth giving up one to play the other. Trying to find out if Warhammer has any edge over other MMOs especially WoW
So far everyone has been saying indirectly it's not going to compare to WoW except for the fact it's pvp might be better
I'm just trying to get a feel as to how Warhammer stacks up so far from a bera standpoint.
What types of things does Warhammer have that the others don't?
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
For WoW to die you need
a) a stake
b) an exorcist
c) someone who tells it that it died. It won't notice otherwise.
and finally d) someone who actually believes that it's dead.
In all seriousness, WoW is like frankensteins mmo. You won't kill it that easily.
What people should ask themselves: Does it have to? Does it matter?
War looks primising. It can be a very good mmo, better than wow, and probably be a success. And that's all that matters.
I can answer this, WAR is a true WoW killer. The only people left in WoW will be people that build such deep ties to thier character and just can't let go. They will come eventually becuase all the cool people will be playing WAR.
Indeed. Definitely think WAR has the potential of taking a huge chunk out of WoW's playerbase. But realistically the only game which will kill WoW is another Blizzard MMO.
WoW's reached mainstream appeal, whereas I cant see WAR getting that, but I can see it taking a lot of "MMO aware" WoW players away from the game.
Only time will tell.
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Honestly, I just hope it has good numbers ( like 1 million ) and just is a good game.
I am playing Ryzom right now, and really loving it, and I really don't care that it has less numbers then WoW.
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Ok I'll bite, why is it so important to you that WAR kill WoW? Is there not enough players for both games? is it a case that if WAR is fun but doesn't kill WoW you won't play it. I mean really I don't understand what your trying for here. Is it some kinda bragging rights ie "My MMO can beat your MMO"?
These theads are kinda sad to me as its not about weither eithetr game is fun, but simply about which MMO can get the most players playing by hook or crook.
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Honestly, I just hope it has good numbers ( like 1 million ) and just is a good game.
I am playing Ryzom right now, and really loving it, and I really don't care that it has less numbers then WoW.
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I really want to play Ryzom. It seems like a really clever, unique addition to the MMO genre and I'm disappointed I missed it before.
I play on a pvp server in wow. Though I am going to be buying and trying war I am not quiting wow. Many of the people I now that play on my pvp server don't talk as if they are going to leave either. There is around 100 in my guild most don't want full fledge pvp and actually only chose the sever to make questing a bit more interesting. I do like RvR in War and looking to play but does not mean I am leaving Wow or the PvP server I am on. As far as it being a Wow killer no. From what it sounds like War is not something you have to dedicate half your life to play and can come and go.
So when I want to raid with my guild buddies I go raid. When I want to kill greenskins I will go to WAR. Most likely wow will loose a little of its population whiel War and Wow might actually share its subscribers. Several in my guild were playing Aoc till they got bored and just went back to playing full time in Wow. Same thing looks like it will happen with War. To be honest never understood the concept why one has to quit playing a game for another.
Better gaming experience -> Yes of corse, not a big problem
More players -> No, there're not enough paying MMOers in the world, and wowers only play wow.
wowers are a perfect breed of players for blizzard. blizzard doesnt need wotlk, they could just put in another copy of their already existing dungeons, give out another of their tier sets with a new color and all wowers would shout "yeah, blizzard did it again, this is the best game experience ever!".
This game is a lot of fun. WoW is bland, AoC is broke and WAR will find a niche, but most definitely not a WoW killer.
Here's why. People may buy the game, do the free trial and realize its very similar to what they already have with a level 70 class in WoW. Rather than level a toon in WAR, they go back to WoW and wait for WOTLK.
WoW may have 10 million players but that does not make it the best MMO. Not by a longshot. A typical server holds 10k or so players on most any game....I'm sure WAR will have pretty much the same level of immature players that WOW has and if it does that will kill it for me. A games community makes all the difference in the world for me at least. But must admit I am curious as to how WAR launches and plays out.
For the diehard PvP'ers of WoW it will be I think. I have always been a solid lover of MMO PvP and for some reason WoW PvP grew stale very very fast I coulndt stomach more then 3-4 hours of it. Im just now getting ready for work after logging out of an epic 17 hour RvR session from Sunday lol. Was so flamming engrossed with zerging and keep battles that when I turned around to look at the clock it was 6am Monday morning.
WoW PvE fans, although its flushed out as the developers said, need not apply. Why raid a flamming dungeon for the 1748947038914783 time when you can roast Git's an Orcs for 17 hours and have a blast doing it and not even realize that much time has slipped you by. Warhammer has PvP locked down, WoW holds not a candle to the sight of 75+ Destro peeking over a hill and charging at you... WoW PvP doesnt hold a candle... even close.
Hehe trust me, the RvR in WAR will consume your soul its that addictive and this is comming from a 3 year PvP veteran of Warsong in WoW. Wrath of the Lich King can burn in hell for all I care... RvR and more RvR is my new crack. I cant tell you why... NDA... but there have been numerous times that I have felt like I was in the most intense Fantasy Battle ever... Talking Lord of the Rings opening battle epicness... bodies flying everywhere... anyway Im dancing the NDA line :P Which might not be a bad thing if I lose my Beta Access I can sleep again after 3 months of solid RvR.
No.. it won't kill WoW.... in fact... read this:... by the time the wow expansion is out, MANY people who will have started WAR will be bored and return to WoW...
The game is fun for a bit.. then gets boring...
All this ... "yes it's a wow-killer" talk really reminds me of why people become misanthropists... it's because of the ignorance and the idiocy....
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why wow 2? eventually some game not made by blizzard will do better than wow. i dont think there will even be a wow2. warhammer will take about half wow's subscribers. all the wow pvp'ers will go to war and the last time i checked the pvp servers on wow are the most heavly populated.
Yea hope it is all you say it will be, but I will not stop playing WoW. Not like I can't do both and work and have a girlfriend and a life lol. But still I like Wow and I have no doubt I will like War Just don't know why there is a mind set that it has to be one or the other is all. Now then again my Wow time might get cut back if I find War more addictive and a few of my friends in my guild come over and play, but still don't see myself abandoning wow just to play war. I play both and still have fun just might have to ditch the having a life thing. lol
you're so caught up in your love for wow, that when someone says a game might kill wow you call them ignorant. wow is not a religion maybe a cult but its not a religion. warhammer is going to seriously hurt wow, you can see blizzard are already running scared by introducing siege warfare...warhammer has the backing of the biggest gaming studio in the world, if EA want to kill wow they have the money to do so.
It certainly wont beat WoW, but I have a feeling WAR will produce some bigger numbers than all the MMORPGs following WoW's release. WAR will hopefully go over 1-2 million subs.
People have to realize though that WoW, has over 11 million. Its internationally popular, more popular than the WARHAMMER franchise internationally (due to products like Warcraft 1-3 and StarCraft). WAR focuses more on PVP where as WoW has more PvE content with PvP backing it. WoW reaches a wider audience than WAR.
WAR will be good, but the way its designed, it attracts more players that like PVP only. Sadly there is a large population of PvE players out there that are absolutely scared to death of PvP and think of it as a greater form of evil, WAR will alienate quite a few of these people regardless of its PvE content.
Trust me on this, the only game that will top and kill WoW will be Blizzards next MMORPG which they have been working on for awhile now.