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My impressions on the most OP or UP classes in both factions
Xtort
Member Posts: 392
Ok I have been testing the game for quite a while.
I want to give feedback on the the 3 most overpowered classes and 3 underpowered classes from both factions. Please note that these are my PERSONAL thoughts, and it is based on the CURRENT state of the game (changes can be made).
Order most OP:
1. Ironbreaker: I think it is the best tank in the game. Give them a healer and they just wont die even when 3-4 people are attacking him. It's DPS also shines. I had heard that they have an OP skill called Earthshatter or something which increases their DPS a lot (which would be looked at I guess). Consider heavy balancing on this class imo.
2. Warrior Priest: Much better than it's counter class DoK. Has better survivability and also a great healer for duo-crushing with another tank.
3. Bright Wizard: This class is really nasty if it is behind the lines. Solo? Meh, he can not do much, but put a few BW behind the lines and he will destroy the whole destruction army or will force them to stay back. Much more powerful compared to the Sorceress in Destruction.
Order below average: (I won't go into details, these are just my experiences)
1. Engineer (not so bad in a group)
2. White Lion
3. Shadow Warrior
Destruction most OP:
1. Shaman: Very good DPS, very good healing, very good debuff/buffs (stealing intelligence, stealing action points), but squishy. They have slightly less healing compared to Zealots, however they have about triple the damage, or maybe more. They have the coolest tools in their arsenal to eliminate opponents (debuffs etc.). Very fun ranged healer/DPS hybrid (if you are on the same side of course).
2. (?) Black Orcs: Very good tanks, good DPS.
3. (?) Chosen: Same with Black Orcs. I guess Chosen is more DPS oriented compared to Black Orcs and has slightly less survivability, but I might be wrong. I have played one upto level 15, most of your team mates will be Chosen if you go Destruction (probably because of the looks+armor).
Destruction below average:
1. Disciple of Khaine: The problem with this class is that he has to stand in the frontlines to do the job. But when he is upfront, he gets killed very quickly because he is not a tank at all. Yes DoKs have HOTs, but they won't just save your ass when you are getting nuked by 2-3 players.
2. Magus: Well, I haven't played one, but everyone says they suck, so it must be true 
3. Sorceress: I just couldn't do with this class. Got one at lvl 13 and I just get killed by a melee under 5 seconds or blow myself up! Yes, she has AoE like the BW but I guess the damage is not scaled correctly on this one. Squishy, 3 sec long spells getting disrupted by any kind of damage, no real CCs (her CCs are more than likely to break on damage). Don't know, they would be useful in a 40 men raid though, I guess.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
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Swordmaster with the ensorcelled agony tactic. Gives a spammable attack (no c.d 40 AP) a dot that does 135/5sec at level 19, and it stacks. I can take down champions by using that alone. I highly doubt it's intended, just a little glitch I found by mistake.
How can you put a Brightwizard in above average, and a soceress below average? First off, soceresses have MUCH better single target nuking powers (1v1, sorceresses kick BW butt) and secondly, just because they are slightly under played, doesn't mean they are below average!
Swordmaster with the ensorcelled agony tactic. Gives a spammable attack (no c.d 40 AP) a dot that does 135/5sec at level 19, and it stacks. I can take down champions by using that alone. I highly doubt it's intended, just a little glitch I found by mistake.
Well, then report it. Press Esc and Report Feedback is your friend
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
I did, many a time
I would pretty much agree, although I don tthink the Black Orc or Chosen are OP. Without a healer behind them they can go down just as fast as other classes(well perhaps a little slower) but the damage survival ratio is pretty much the same. Sure you last longer but you do less damage and in the end you do about as much as a melee would.
Now put a healer behind them and they are unstoppable killing machines who can completely disrupt a 10-20 man offense. I have single handedly experienced this on my Chosen with a Zealot or two backing me up on heals I can simply wade through the lines and go straight for the healers/casters completely and effecitvely shutting them down and allowing the melees and our ranged to thrash Order offense. However I will also say that alot of healers dont understand that and still feel their nukes are more constructive...
what makes SW underpowered??
I am not talking about 1v1 sorceress vs. BW which will happen maybe once in a week.
Ranged caster DPSs shine in big groups. BW has better AoE. They make much more damage compared to Sorceress, and it's what matters in RvR.
Why do you think people do not play Sorceress and tons of people play BW then? Also Sorceress looks much more cooler if you are taking that into account (dark elf chick vs. a clown looking thing).
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
I think they don't have very very good DPS. I am not sure. When I played Destruction I did not have any difficulty killing SWs 1 on 1 with ANY class except the Sorceress and Magus. But then again, I haven't seen too many SWs at level 30+ so maybe I am wrong.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
compare classes at low level is waste of time.
Did you know that the basic spells/skills you get below level 10 are scaled (increased) proportionally when you level up? So if you have a skill that does 30 damage at lvl 1, it would make 150 damage at lvl 20. If you have a skill that does 80 damage at lvl 1, it would make 400 damage at lvl 20. Same for the healing.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
The DoK is generally seen as superior at higher tiers of gameplay compared to WP. Plus all the DoK I see usually have damn good survivability.
Next the BW bit. They do a ton of damage but they lack survivability if they are by themselves. with so little hp and defenses a BW can potentially get creamed quickly. Also just to let you know, but Sorc is actually superior to BW in terms of DD and AoE at the moment. Plus they have a silence and disarm spell whereas BW only has a silence and no disarm. This doesn't mean BW sucks because they don't, it just means Sorc is better slightly.
I was playing hide and seek with my Sorceress. Because if I don't hide, if I don't use the terrain or something, all the melee and their mother were coming after me, the reason is that I am a free kill when they get close to me. Yes, BW has exactly the same survivability (which sucks for both) but don't tell me the Sorceress AoE is much better than a BW because it's not.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
I kind of agree and I would go so far as to say comparing at release is a waste of time too. Some classes take a while for everyone to figure out to use well since they take a combination of things done right.
Except of course for obvious overpowered stuff and glitches.
1. This is my personal list, of course everyone has a different kind of list. But this is how I see the game at the moment.
2. I think the classes are fairly balanced. Balance is not the issue in Warhammer. However, some classes will have better roles in group play (which happens more) and/or solo play.
3. There are no dramatical changes after level 15. You get somehow new skills and abilities, but basic gear, armor, ratios stays constant. Your spell/skill damage/healing increases stays constant. You still use the 4-5 abilities at lvl 40 you will be using at level 15, with an exception of 1 or 2.
4. I have played most of the classes, some to a higher level. I have seen the opponents to differentiate the weak and the strong. I have played my opponents as well. My role and power in the battlefield did not change when I was lvl 5 or lvl15 or lvl 25.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
By the way, the ironbreaker just tanked 8 people in front of me by more than 45 seconds.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
I played a Shaman extensively and loved it. I have to add one thing: They are always the 1st target in RvR. If 2 groups begin a fight, the shaman is almost always targeted first and dropped within a second.
As for Ironbreaker...I have no idea how that slipped past the balance team. I've seen 10 guys pound on one for a minute without a healer before going down.
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I don't play as order, but I do fight them. I have not problem taking on any order tank or warrior priest. I love taking on warrior priest, I see a look of shock in their face as my chosen beats the life out of them.
Now bright wizard I have a problem with. Mostly because destruction doesn't know how to fight them.
Shaman are not OP at all. Good healers bad damage. Their damage does not even compare to range DPS classes.
I'll will give you that destruction has good tanks, but order has better healing and range. You nerf descto tanks, we will have nothing.
An Iron Breaker is a a pure tank class, the only one in the game right now since Dark Elfs dont have a tank. They do crap damage, but since they are able to surivie alot with a healer they do steady damage. With my friend healing me we can pretty much go though a whole battle with me dieing an an Iron Breaker unless i get focused fire.
Their is nothing forcing u to attack the Ironbreaker when u could easily walk past them and just got for the healers or ranged DPS.
Your pretty much saying a class is OP for the one thing its good at, taking the most damage possible without dieing.
I don't play as order, but I do fight them. I have not problem taking on any order tank or warrior priest. I love taking on warrior priest, I see a look of shock in their face as my chosen beats the life out of them.
Now bright wizard I have a problem with. Mostly because destruction doesn't know how to fight them.
Shaman are not OP at all. Good healers bad damage. Their damage does not even compare to range DPS classes.
I'll will give you that destruction has good tanks, but order has better healing and range. You nerf descto tanks, we will have nothing.
My main in the betas is a Shaman. Their damage is triple the amount of Zealots. Their healing is slightly below Zealot. If you think a DPS specced Shaman's DPS sucks, then it's because you haven't fought against them yet.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
I was playing hide and seek with my Sorceress. Because if I don't hide, if I don't use the terrain or something, all the melee and their mother were coming after me, the reason is that I am a free kill when they get close to me. Yes, BW has exactly the same survivability (which sucks for both) but don't tell me the Sorceress AoE is much better than a BW because it's not.
What rank are we talking here because I'm mainly referencing Rank 40 BW and Sorc. Plus the +50 crit damage tactic for Sorc is one huge factor why they do more damage then BW.
For the most part this review is incorrect. I have been playing at 31 for the past few weeks and have experienced nothing like the OP. Magus and Shadow Warrior do feel a bit weak but everything else is fine. Oh, and Chosen definitely is not more DPS than Black Orc...
why do white lions stink?
i have to disagree with the OP on white lion and shadow warrior, for the white lion i have seen them snare a tank down then killed the healer or engage the tank and have the war lion kill the heal and they seem to be very effective in RvR but that is what i have seen.
now player my girlfriends shadow warrior lvl 4 as to compare to my swordmaster at lvl 11 in kaine's embrace sceanrio the SW preforms better to me, example: lvl 11 SM fully geared highest ever total damage dealt: 5400, lvl 4 SW noob gear: 12,680
final blows: SM 2, SW 6
deaths: SM 12, SW 8
i have seen SW play thier class VERY badly, my girlfriends goes around the mountain up the hill near Kaine's alter and just rain down shots, and never makes anyone (or try not to) get close to her unless they are below 25% health where she can kill them off with her sword skills. She always use the 100 feet range they have.
yea, that has a name, is called "ranged farming". is the "right" but boring way to play a rvr game with chockepoints.
The IB ability the OP references is called earth shatter it is in the brotherhood spec line.
This move does damage based on how many grudges you have when you use it. I think it hits for around 700 dmg at 100 grudge and does a 40% snare.
This ability was bugged 2 weeks ago and was damaging people several times instead of once.
They fixed earthshatter a week ago.
IB is definately the hardest to kill when using a shield