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WOW sub numbers may be in deep trouble

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  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Originally posted by scribe331


    But what happens in 2 weeks when everyone is 40? What happens after 2 more months of RvR? Do people get tired of it the game seems so shallow to me even the producer wants to rush people to cap lvl to pvp.  Even the most hardcore PvPers want to do other things besides PvP dont they?>
    Not flaming honest questions here folks



     

    Same deal with WotLK.  Ever wonder why Blizzard made XP gain faster in Azeroth, and soon BC, and then the new Recruit a Friend Zhevra promotion?  Because they want everyone at end game raiding.

    Same old story for the MMO genre, end-game content will always be an issue.

  • StellosStellos Member UncommonPosts: 1,491

    I don't believe there will really be a WoW killer, because people will always be playing WoW.  However, WAR is an amazing game, even at this stage in beta and I'm sure it will be stealing some subs from WoW.  However, from my experience, most people in beta now that are WAR lovers are not coming directly from WoW, but instead had played WoW in the past and were unsatisfied with the PvP aspect.   WAR is the answer to those players.

  • synnsynn Member UncommonPosts: 563
    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    When eleven million people unsubscribe WoWs numbers will be in trouble. Short of that they're still going to be a 1200 pound gorilla in a cage full of monkeys.

    get over it fanboys...those numbers are misleading. its like me telling ppl I work 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year. Its the truth since everyone serving in the military is a soldier, airman, marine etc..24/7 but in reality we do get our time off unless deployed or in the field.  This is tha same concept..blizzard does have about 10.5 million subscribers.  A majority are in asia and they(China) pay for time used not the conventional monthly fee that NA and EU have. That and blizzard only recieves royalties not the full fee sice the game itself is run by The9.

     

    so with that being said if WoW were to lose even 1 or 2 million subscribers between NA and EU they would feel the pain.

  • brostynbrostyn Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,092

    I'm a WAR fanboi, and it will not take down WoW. The core of the games are different. WoW focuses on PvE, where WAR will not. WoW focuses on always updating your gear, where WAR focuses on advancing through ranks via PVP. The two games are very different at their core. People in NA have always enjoyed the gear based PvE games far more than the non-gear based PVP games.

  • kazamxkazamx Member UncommonPosts: 166

    Well the in game trailer looks pretty good to me

  • King-KongKing-Kong Member Posts: 95

    give me a break!

    whats the deal with all these Warhammer posters in every forum?

    the answer is quite simple

    EA = warhammer sucks

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  • mrroboto40mrroboto40 Member UncommonPosts: 657
    Originally posted by King-Kong


    give me a break!
    whats the deal with all these Warhammer posters in every forum?
    the answer is quite simple
    EA = warhammer sucks

     

    What does that have to do with anything? They really don't have much to do with the game itself.

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  • TofkeTofke Member UncommonPosts: 342

    Ah well doomsayers are an indication the game is still going strong and a threat for new mmo's...

    Hope warcraft will finally be a release of a decent game after WoW. I'm currently in wotlk beta and must say in al those years of beta testing the only company that keeps on delivering high quality is Blizzard. You can hate it as much as you want but every sane person would hope for beta's and released versions of their game like Blizzard.

    And no I don't think their will ever be a game that will get wow in trouble, do mind an mmo that has 200k subscribers can still go on nicely and have profit. A game does not need millions of players to be good either, plenty of examples out there.

    Then again it's "cool" to hate wow now it became a mass product, so hate on ;p

     (For the typo's... It's late and I'm a dumb foreigner so you should excuse me :p)

  • XennithXennith Member Posts: 1,244
    Originally posted by King-Kong

    the answer is quite simple
    EA = warhammer sucks

     

    im glad you're here, i was worried there may be some nuance to it. now i know better.

  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,301
    Originally posted by Zayne3145

    Originally posted by Recant


    People have been saying WoW's sub numbers are in trouble since DAY ONE.   Actually no, since before beta, people exactly like the OP have been saying that WoW is doomed to imminent failure.
    We heard it with Age of Conan (lol),  Tabula Rasa (rofl),  LOTRO (lmao), Vanguard... (roflmao),  and god knows how many other times with so many other hyped of pieces garbage.  Even Vanguard beta testers in the god awful state that game was in, told us their game was going to be amazing.
    Do you know what WAR is?  It isn't a game, not until it's released.  Right now, it's a marketing campaign and until the game is release you cannot possibly hope to speculate that it will cause WoW to be in "deep trouble".  How many times have we heard this and seen it not to be true?
    How many times does this need to happen?  Do you want me to tell you what's really going to happen this year?  WOTLK is going to break sales records, again, it's going to get huge positive reviews.. again... and WAR?   WAR is going to be another in a long list of failures. 
    WAR is an instanced piece of hyped up crap.  Its not even going to scratch WoW.  Nothing can possibly touch it, and you can quote me here and in 6 months time when all is said and done, you can point out this post to me and show me how wrong I was.  But that's not going to happen.
    All of you people clinging onto the hope that WAR will save you from the big bad evil Blizzard are in for huge dissapointment, and you will join the legion of disgruntled MMORPG hopefulls while the vast majority of the online gaming community are having a blast in WOTLK.
    Not... a.... scratch.
    You don't need to align yourself with Blizzard to know this is going to happen, it's simple maths.   Review scores (both online and magazine),  Advertising dollars,  sheer number of people playing will ensure success no matter what.   And personally, I put my faith into Blizzard delivering a quality product than any of these pretenders to the throne.
    Now if you can give me reasonable arguments to the contrary instead of calling me a blind fanboy I'll be happy to debate the issue, my experience of the huge anti-WoW community on these forums leads me to suspect otherwise.

     

    /agree

    You don't have to be a fanboy to realise it's going to take some doing to take down WoW. I wish people would stop setting themselves up for a fall by declaring <insert game here> is going to topple WoW from its throne. All you end up doing is make yourself look foolish when your nice warm slice of humble pie arrives. Call me a cynic but I'd much rather wait until a few weeks post-release before I jump in. AoC was the first and last time I fall for hype and fanboy rantings and buy on the release day.

    I just dont play WoW because of the graphics, too old, too little for me. But yeah, the game is good, the game is going well, and it will continue going well. no matter what we want or wish. This have nothing to do with War, the game maybe good and may gain a good fan base. I dont understand why people insist on finding the next Wow or the final WoW killer. It's plainly a silly thing.



  • King-KongKing-Kong Member Posts: 95
    Originally posted by mrroboto40

    Originally posted by King-Kong


    give me a break!
    whats the deal with all these Warhammer posters in every forum?
    the answer is quite simple
    EA = warhammer sucks

     What does that have to do with anything? They really don't have much to do with the game itself.

    EA has everything to do with it and their past history proves it

    every company they have ever bought out they have taken over, told what to do, and then eventually shut down when a disagreement comes up

    the title of this thread is complete crap - WoWs numbers will never be threatened as long as EA continues to churn out crummy generic MMOs and its ridiculous to even speculate that WoWs numbers are in "deep trouble"

    this thread must have been created by an EA shill

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  • Originally posted by longabow

    Originally posted by woody1974


    I got a chance to play the weekend preview of WAR and so far I am very very impressed with this game. I thought for sure this game was gonna suck, but I was wrong. This game is still in BETA and everything ran smoothly, not even a hint of lag, for me anyways and it was fun, the graphics aren't 1/2 bad, pretty much like WOW graphics, but maybe a notch or 2 better.
    The combat system pretty much mirrors that of WOW and the PVP definately outdoes WOW in many aspects, but mainly for me it was about the balance in PVP and there was definately balance and it was fun.
    I payed close attention to chat and what others were saying and I can't even remember seeing 1 bad comment about this game.

     

    the game is unfinshed, terrible mob pathing, awkward combat, at least 6 months away from being in good shape

     

    Sounds like how WoW started out on the game play. Lets just hope it doesn't have constant server crashes and lines to log in like WoW and we're good to go.

  • KabbaxKabbax Member Posts: 278
    Originally posted by namelessbob

    Originally posted by longabow

    Originally posted by woody1974


    I got a chance to play the weekend preview of WAR and so far I am very very impressed with this game. I thought for sure this game was gonna suck, but I was wrong. This game is still in BETA and everything ran smoothly, not even a hint of lag, for me anyways and it was fun, the graphics aren't 1/2 bad, pretty much like WOW graphics, but maybe a notch or 2 better.
    The combat system pretty much mirrors that of WOW and the PVP definately outdoes WOW in many aspects, but mainly for me it was about the balance in PVP and there was definately balance and it was fun.
    I payed close attention to chat and what others were saying and I can't even remember seeing 1 bad comment about this game.

     

    the game is unfinshed, terrible mob pathing, awkward combat, at least 6 months away from being in good shape

     

    Sounds like how WoW started out on the game play. Lets just hope it doesn't have constant server crashes and lines to log in like WoW and we're good to go.

     

    I'm hearing that open RvR is causing lots of crashes right now in Warhammer. Anyone less then 256mb video memory has no chance at all of running in the open pvp areas. That info comes from an Elder Tester.

    So, based on your connection, Warhammer is well on its way to being #1 in North America!

    "The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius."
    -Oscar Wilde

  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Member UncommonPosts: 2,964

    I invested a lot of time in WoW and I still wont let it go, but I do agree, the PvP / RvR is so much better than we got in WoW right now. With WoW's expansion on the way also, I will not under estimate the power of Blizzard.

    I will pickup the expansion when it comes out and play it, but hands down so far, WAR owns in these BG's and RvR skirmishes (this is just my personal playing experience).

    on the other hand...

    I still believe WoW will rule the PvE scripting scenario for grinding for gear in dungeons, at least for now.

    Warhammer End Game review http://www.massively.com/2008/06/05/massively-goes-to-war-is-there-any-pve-in-warhammers-endgame/

  • rznkainrznkain Member Posts: 539

      WoW will still be on top but really doesn't matter to me I like BOTH games but one thing I will tell you is this Blizzards guy came out and told ppl they seen a drop and lose of ppl when AoC came out if WoW lost enough subs and ppl when that piece of crap AoC Came out to take note of it WAR is gonna be like a cyclone compared to what they lost to AoC.Say if they lost 500k WoW subs due to WAR not saying it will but tbh it would not surprise me WAR is a fun game and will be easy to get into for WoW ppl  and some definetly want something new and excited even for a few months till lich king comes out.

     

       Now for the average fanboi 500k subs not a big deal when you have 10 million subs right? I am sure Blizzard begs to differ do the math 500k subsX14.99 a month means they would lose almost 7.5 million dollars not something blizzard or any company would want.

  • WolfkroneWolfkrone Member Posts: 116

    Reasons why WoW will not be hurt by WAR.

    1. Asia. South Korea and China are the biggest subscriber base in WoW. WAR will not be in those areas.

    2. ... as stated above: The Peoples Republic of Fuckin China.

    3. Computer Specs: WoW requires Windows 3.1 and a 5MB graphics card. WAR requires Windows 95 and an 8MB graphics card. Why upgrade your old fossil?

    4. WAR is essentially the same as WoW. Except for the focus on PvP. We both know that PvE players are the majority in MMORPG's... why would a WoW copy that is focusing on a minority kill it?

    5. WoW's pimple-faced legions of retards are far more numerally superior to WAR's legion of nerd-raged fanboi's.

    6. Instant gratification. WoW's gameplay revolves around doing something which is rather easy and doing it for good rewards, they don't want a challenge, they want to win. In WAR you have to PvP to succeed and PvP is a different beast all together and is not easy for the majority of players.

    7. Friends. The average MMO player is a clueless dweeb who will listen to one loud person. Because WoW's legions are larger, the average MMO player will listen to the larger amount of high-pitched yells and not move from his/her current game (which is WoW, all average MMO gamers are playing WoW).

    8. Children don't like change.

    9. The 40-something fat greasy over 9000 pound WoW gamers that vote Conservative don't like change.

    10. They didn't make a South Park episode about Warhammer.

     

    To be honest, World of Ultima: Asheron's Everquest of Camelot (also known by it's shorter name, World of Warcraft) and Dark Age of Warcraft (a.k.a Warhammer Online) are the same damn game the main difference is which crowd the game is trying to cater too (12 year old carebears with ancient pc's or sexually abused uberest pvpers with shitty pc's).

    Nothing is going to kill World of Ultima: Asheron's Everquest of Camelot until they make World of Ultima: Asheron's Everquest of Camelot II, which won't happen because the smart guys (yes, they're very smart) over at Blizzard can keep milking money by keeping to re-release expansions (face it, it's the same damn thing again!).

    BTW, I dislike both games which is why you can tell I am unbiased.

    Tried: WoW
    Played: EQ, EQII, AO, SWG, NGE-SWG, LoTRO, WAR, Vanguard, Eve, WWIIOL, Guild Wars, Darkfall, AoC.
    Playing: DAoC.
    Waiting For: SW:TOR.

  • NogginNoggin Member Posts: 808
    Originally posted by Wolfkrone


    Reasons why WoW will not be hurt by WAR.
    1. Asia. South Korea and China are the biggest subscriber base in WoW. WAR will not be in those areas.
    2. ... as stated above: The Peoples Republic of Fuckin China.

     

    Asia

    EA Asia Online will be launching and operating servers in Asian territories, including China, Japan, and Korea. Additionally, Gigamedia will be servicing players in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. No release date has been announced for these servers.

     

    Source: warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Servers#Asia

  • WolfkroneWolfkrone Member Posts: 116
    Originally posted by Noggin

    Originally posted by Wolfkrone


    Reasons why WoW will not be hurt by WAR.
    1. Asia. South Korea and China are the biggest subscriber base in WoW. WAR will not be in those areas.
    2. ... as stated above: The Peoples Republic of Fuckin China.

     

    Asia

    EA Asia Online will be launching and operating servers in Asian territories, including China, Japan, and Korea. Additionally, Gigamedia will be servicing players in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. No release date has been announced for these servers.

     

    Source: warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Servers#Asia

     

    Can't make money off something unreleased!

    Also, will it advertise like WoW has in those areas?

    There is also 8 other reasons you forgot to answer my friend... en guarde!

    Tried: WoW
    Played: EQ, EQII, AO, SWG, NGE-SWG, LoTRO, WAR, Vanguard, Eve, WWIIOL, Guild Wars, Darkfall, AoC.
    Playing: DAoC.
    Waiting For: SW:TOR.

  • NogginNoggin Member Posts: 808
    Originally posted by Wolfkrone

    Originally posted by Noggin

    Originally posted by Wolfkrone


    Reasons why WoW will not be hurt by WAR.
    1. Asia. South Korea and China are the biggest subscriber base in WoW. WAR will not be in those areas.
    2. ... as stated above: The Peoples Republic of Fuckin China.

     

    Asia

    EA Asia Online will be launching and operating servers in Asian territories, including China, Japan, and Korea. Additionally, Gigamedia will be servicing players in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. No release date has been announced for these servers.

     

    Source: warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Servers#Asia

     

    Can't make money off something unreleased!

    Also, will it advertise like WoW has in those areas?

    There is also 8 other reasons you forgot to answer my friend... en guarde!

     

    I stopped reading after 1 and 2....

     

    *edit* I also happen to agree with you, I don't think that Warhammer will have a very big effect on World of Warcraft's subscriber base, I just don't like to see people posting misinformation.

  • feacfeac Member UncommonPosts: 127

    will be the same old story, the one when a new game comes out wow subs will dip a bit some will stay in the new game some will return to wow (or other game they left).

    i hope war is very succesful as good competition between game companys is good and hopefully encourages them to improve thier games = end result is more quality for us gamers and more choice when you suffer those burn out times in any game you play :)

  • CoirCoir Member Posts: 97
    Originally posted by Recant


    People have been saying WoW's sub numbers are in trouble since DAY ONE.   Actually no, since before beta, people exactly like the OP have been saying that WoW is doomed to imminent failure.
    We heard it with Age of Conan (lol),  Tabula Rasa (rofl),  LOTRO (lmao), Vanguard... (roflmao),  and god knows how many other times with so many other hyped of pieces garbage.  Even Vanguard beta testers in the god awful state that game was in, told us their game was going to be amazing.
    Do you know what WAR is?  It isn't a game, not until it's released.  Right now, it's a marketing campaign and until the game is release you cannot possibly hope to speculate that it will cause WoW to be in "deep trouble".  How many times have we heard this and seen it not to be true?
    How many times does this need to happen?  Do you want me to tell you what's really going to happen this year?  WOTLK is going to break sales records, again, it's going to get huge positive reviews.. again... and WAR?   WAR is going to be another in a long list of failures. 
    WAR is an instanced piece of hyped up crap.  Its not even going to scratch WoW.  Nothing can possibly touch it, and you can quote me here and in 6 months time when all is said and done, you can point out this post to me and show me how wrong I was.  But that's not going to happen.
    All of you people clinging onto the hope that WAR will save you from the big bad evil Blizzard are in for huge dissapointment, and you will join the legion of disgruntled MMORPG hopefulls while the vast majority of the online gaming community are having a blast in WOTLK.
    Not... a.... scratch.
    You don't need to align yourself with Blizzard to know this is going to happen, it's simple maths.   Review scores (both online and magazine),  Advertising dollars,  sheer number of people playing will ensure success no matter what.   And personally, I put my faith into Blizzard delivering a quality product than any of these pretenders to the throne.
    Now if you can give me reasonable arguments to the contrary instead of calling me a blind fanboy I'll be happy to debate the issue, my experience of the huge anti-WoW community on these forums leads me to suspect otherwise.

     

    You mean like the arguments you threw up for everyone. Don't bother answering that it was rhetorical.

     

    WAR will compete favourably with WoW and could cause problems for one simple fact. It is the ONLY western MMO that is competing with WoW in the Asian Market.

    Blizzard are so concerned with what could happen in that sector they are opening up previously ventured markets in the hope of maintaining profits so they can cover their Asian losses.

    Go look into the real business and economics behind it all then come back and ask to be called more then a fanboi.

    Simple fact is you post like a fanboi, whine like a fanboi, obviously must be a fanboi...

  • faefrostfaefrost Member Posts: 199
    Originally posted by woody1974


    I got a chance to play the weekend preview of WAR and so far I am very very impressed with this game. I thought for sure this game was gonna suck, but I was wrong. This game is still in BETA and everything ran smoothly, not even a hint of lag, for me anyways and it was fun, the graphics aren't 1/2 bad, pretty much like WOW graphics, but maybe a notch or 2 better.
    The combat system pretty much mirrors that of WOW and the PVP definately outdoes WOW in many aspects, but mainly for me it was about the balance in PVP and there was definately balance and it was fun.
    I payed close attention to chat and what others were saying and I can't even remember seeing 1 bad comment about this game.
    Im not going to call this a WOW killer, not yet anyways, but it is off to a very very good start and I think it will def snatch up some subs from many of the other mmo's.



     

    Yeah I thought it was great for the first weekend I played it too. Just because it was something new and exciting to see.  As far as it still being in Beta, its less thena month from release, if it isn't stable now they've completely failed.

    I agree it's off to a good start. And no you will not see any negatives in chat on the preview weekend. But at least in my opinion after experiencing it for a bit, WAR does not really have the long lasting interest or depth that will keep alot around much past a few months. Just my 2c on it.

  • BLeeDzACiDBLeeDzACiD Member Posts: 55

    Why this title. Im not a WoW player all I have to say is WoW already surpassed its expectations so there is no stopping it. The only thing stopping WoW is age, and it will Bow out gracefully and WoW players will move on to something else. there is not going to be some game to come out to whoop on WoW Why BECAUSE ITS TO LATE TO DO THAT! Thats like saying Floyd mayweather is gonna whoop on muhammed ali geez.

     

     

    WAR FTW

  • Oph8Oph8 Member Posts: 177

    I can't wait until they start asking for SSN's for age verification. that'll be the day.

    "Everything is mine and your woman too"

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by King-Kong

    Originally posted by mrroboto40

    Originally posted by King-Kong


    give me a break!
    whats the deal with all these Warhammer posters in every forum?
    the answer is quite simple
    EA = warhammer sucks

     What does that have to do with anything? They really don't have much to do with the game itself.

    EA has everything to do with it and their past history proves it

    every company they have ever bought out they have taken over, told what to do, and then eventually shut down when a disagreement comes up

    the title of this thread is complete crap - WoWs numbers will never be threatened as long as EA continues to churn out crummy generic MMOs and its ridiculous to even speculate that WoWs numbers are in "deep trouble"

    this thread must have been created by an EA shill

    A couple Prozac should take care of that problem you got there. . .some Thorazine may help with your delusions too.

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