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  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454
    Originally posted by altairzq


    Just one objection to your theory.
    Do you think inverstors are dumb? Do you think they will happily give milions of dolars without at least making sure there is a game being developed? I mean.. one of them just bringing his son to play would be enough.

     

    I was going to say that exact thing but then I remembered the dot com bubble and the current financial crisis. 

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,078

    Darkfall defies all explaination.  You either believe or you don't.

    We'll see what happens in about a month and a half.

     

     

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  • _Shadowmage_Shadowmage Member Posts: 1,459


    Originally posted by altairzq
    Just one objection to your theory.
    Do you think inverstors are dumb? Do you think they will happily give milions of dolars without at least making sure there is a game being developed? I mean.. one of them just bringing his son to play would be enough.

    Microsoft did it with Vanguard - So yes we do think some investors are dumb and give millions of dollars with no idea.

  • flakmonkyflakmonky Member Posts: 210
    Originally posted by _Shadowmage


     

    Originally posted by altairzq

    Just one objection to your theory.

    Do you think inverstors are dumb? Do you think they will happily give milions of dolars without at least making sure there is a game being developed? I mean.. one of them just bringing his son to play would be enough.

     

    Microsoft did it with Vanguard - So yes we do think some investors are dumb and give millions of dollars with no idea.

     

    Ok, now explain how you get people to join the scam as it reaches the point where it gets found out. If this were a scam, then, with such a critical time fast approaching where it could easily fall apart, they would not be able to "hire" new people. Especially when you are trying to scam the local government.

    I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.

  • TenSpottingTenSpotting Member Posts: 367
    Originally posted by Aragon100

    Originally posted by SgtFrog


    no matter what you say df fanboys wont listen....no matter how mush evidence you have


    eh...let them belive what ever...
     
    i told someone the smae thing this morning on another topic...but he still belives its true



     

    ROFL - evidence? What evidence?

    How bout the total lack of evidence 6 weeks before commercial launch?

    Some made up story created of someone with way to much fantasy.

    Sounds like what Tasos does everytime he types!!

    Hey Aragon we missed you buddy. How's Beta going?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Aragon100

    Originally posted by SgtFrog


    no matter what you say df fanboys wont listen....no matter how mush evidence you have


    eh...let them belive what ever...
     
    i told someone the smae thing this morning on another topic...but he still belives its true



     

    ROFL - evidence? What evidence?

    Some made up story created of someone with way to much fantasy.

    Yeah that "surreeeeee" is some real hardcore evidence if i ever saw one. =)



     

    evidence?

     

    like a beta tester stating he's ONLY getting 60-90 fps in debug mode, and that he hopes it'll be a lot better after optimization?

     

    um...

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by altairzq


    Just one objection to your theory.
    Do you think inverstors are dumb? Do you think they will happily give milions of dolars without at least making sure there is a game being developed? I mean.. one of them just bringing his son to play would be enough.



     

    like someone else said - microsfot/vanguard.

     

    but... did one of the investors bring his son to play?

     

     

    and yes, in regards to online gaming, most investors seem to be rather uniformed/uneducated.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • safwdsafwd Member Posts: 879

    OP has a definite point. No or very little info could certainly mean it is crap.

    But then AOC and Vanguard had tons of info before launch and they both = Crap.

    So basically what he is saying is that anything good or bad could = Crap.

    So yes, he is right.

    However they do have real players in the game.

    And why should they post tons of stuff about the game prior to it releasing? When did this become something that a company has to do. All it does it build up super mega hype (AOC/Vanguard) and then when the game launches you have waves and waves of people bashing it to death because it didnt live up to what they said.

    I have said it before and i will say it again, BETA is crap. Most people who want into BETA dont want in to test a game, they want in to play a game for free. Then they get pissed and break NDA bashing said game because it isnt actually complete in BETA. Who would have thunk it. True there are still some REAL Beta testers out there but the large majority who apply are just looking for something for nothing.

  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,005
    Originally posted by safwd


    OP has a definite point. No or very little info could certainly mean it is crap.
    But then AOC and Vanguard had tons of info before launch and they both = Crap.
    So basically what he is saying is that anything good or bad could = Crap.
    So yes, he is right.
    However they do have real players in the game.
    And why should they post tons of stuff about the game prior to it releasing? When did this become something that a company has to do. All it does it build up super mega hype (AOC/Vanguard) and then when the game launches you have waves and waves of people bashing it to death because it didnt live up to what they said.
    I have said it before and i will say it again, BETA is crap. Most people who want into BETA dont want in to test a game, they want in to play a game for free. Then they get pissed and break NDA bashing said game because it isnt actually complete in BETA. Who would have thunk it. True there are still some REAL Beta testers out there but the large majority who apply are just looking for something for nothing.

     

    So you do know for a FACT that they have real players in game, how?

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  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Why do I get the feeling that these testers are really staff members of the company !

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  • TenSpottingTenSpotting Member Posts: 367
    Originally posted by stayontarget


    Why do I get the feeling that these testers are really staff members of the company !



     

    Because they probably are.

  • Zayne3145Zayne3145 Member Posts: 1,448
    Originally posted by TenSpotting

    Originally posted by stayontarget


    Why do I get the feeling that these testers are really staff members of the company !



     

    Because they are.

     

    Corrected.

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  • mackdawg19mackdawg19 Member UncommonPosts: 842

     Sadly, developers think leaks are what ruins games. Yet they fail to realize that its really not the leaks. Its the dam GAME. The leak only shows faults. Shoot, I remember watching horrid videos of World of Warcraft before launch and thinking, "I will never step foot inot that game!". Then I go and buy it and play it for almost 3 years of my life. I think its just an easy way to put the blame on something. OMG THE LEAKS RUINED OUR GAME. NDA!NDA! It's like a president. "Hey you screwed up our economy! Your such a horrible president!". But have you ever taken a look at how the government really works? 

    Leaks dont ruin games, the game ruins itself. If your game is crap in beta 2 months before release, its going to be crap when released. Hiding this is only deceiving the consumer. And that is what an NDA is exactly. Don't beleive me, ask any street lawyer and he will say the exact thing. Want to hide away your mileage from your car when it's sold, what do you do? Now this isn't to say all NDA's are for deceiving the players. BUt when you creating something that cost millions of dollars to create and it still doesn't work right. What would you do? Trash it? HAHAHAHA, and money grows on trees right? 

    This world is full of people out there to score a quick buck. It's up to the consumer to know where to place hsi precious cash. Be a smart shopper and don't be easily fooled. Things that sound to unbeleiveable are usually the opposite. Now this is just a generalization. As for Darkfall, you be the judge. Do you have your facts lined up. Have they showed you enough evidence to know for sure your money will not be wasted. Is what you see for real? And will it hurt if your wrong? 

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    staff members are not haters nor trolls, testers maybe but not that. And there is nothing wrong with having staff test out the game.

    Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...

  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,301

    If they were going to scam investors, they will probably announcing the best WoW clone in the market, in fact better than WoW. So you can tell investors: WoW has 11 million, we will have 20 million players.

    Why try to scam investors with a niche type game?



  • LughsanLughsan Member Posts: 312
    Originally posted by alakram


    If they were going to scam investors, they will probably announcing the best WoW clone in the market, in fact better than WoW. So you can tell investors: WoW has 11 million, we will have 20 million players.
    Why try to scam investors with a niche type game?

     

    Apathy. Despair. Lack of true ambition.

     

     

  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by radlin


    I just figured it out.
    Why they are having such a tough time giving us some actual player perspective in-game video....
    Why they still haven't had an actual beta with real live players....
    Why nobody that we have even ever heard of has actually played this game...
    Why the videos they have released look so cinema like and not like actual real live game play...
     
     
     
     

    I really hope you're being funny, considering I personally know 2 people who played the game before it hit beta, and in the past few weeks, know even more... And if you think the gameplay videos and the 30 minute gameplay trailer were cinematic, it begs the question, have you ever seen a movie? Look at the AoC pre beta movies if you want fabricated gameplay. 

  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,005
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by radlin


    I just figured it out.
    Why they are having such a tough time giving us some actual player perspective in-game video....
    Why they still haven't had an actual beta with real live players....
    Why nobody that we have even ever heard of has actually played this game...
    Why the videos they have released look so cinema like and not like actual real live game play...
     
     
     
     

    I really hope you're being funny, considering I personally know 2 people who played the game before it hit beta, and in the past few weeks, know even more... And if you think the gameplay videos and the 30 minute gameplay trailer were cinematic, it begs the question, have you ever seen a movie? Look at the AoC pre beta movies if you want fabricated gameplay. 

     

    It's the old "I know a guy", seriously did you even think before replying, Can you present any proof to backup your claims?

    The OP did not say Cinematic this is you trying to twist his words in your favor,he said cinema like which can also mean that it does not feel interactive but on the other hand scripted.

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  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by rav3n2

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by radlin


    I just figured it out.
    Why they are having such a tough time giving us some actual player perspective in-game video....
    Why they still haven't had an actual beta with real live players....
    Why nobody that we have even ever heard of has actually played this game...
    Why the videos they have released look so cinema like and not like actual real live game play...
     
     
     
     

    I really hope you're being funny, considering I personally know 2 people who played the game before it hit beta, and in the past few weeks, know even more... And if you think the gameplay videos and the 30 minute gameplay trailer were cinematic, it begs the question, have you ever seen a movie? Look at the AoC pre beta movies if you want fabricated gameplay. 

     

    It's the old "I know a guy", seriously did you even think before replying, Can you present any proof to backup your claims?

    The OP did not say Cinematic this is you trying to twist his words in your favor,he said cinema like which can also mean that it does not feel interactive but on the other hand scripted.

    Well..I've known Yellowbeard for many years, and he went to Aventurine and played the game, as did Asp from LoD, who is only a casual aquantence. 

    As for me twisting words "so cinema like and not like actual real live game play..."

    Nope, sounds like he was saying the gameplay footage was cinematic footage and showed no real gameplay. And my response still stands, he needs his head examined. No twisting of words here. If that 30 minute gameplay video from Athens was scripted... 

     

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