aye the tanks classes are nice in war , just wished healers didnt work so much with melee to be effective , specially when you cant get close enough to melee and get some healing power to oyur heals and such .
well anyhow i'll still go with the warrior priest at launch had quite some fun with him in the scenarios
Oh and another thing theyll be plenty to start, but when people catch on that healers /tanks get crummy scores in pqs, i expect less people to play them.
i dont know....I won a LOT of first place as a chosen. A lot.
i also think i will still stick with my decision to go with the warrior priest! there just a fun overall class and they do pretty well all around i think!
Oh and another thing theyll be plenty to start, but when people catch on that healers /tanks get crummy scores in pqs, i expect less people to play them.
i dont know....I won a LOT of first place as a chosen. A lot.
You sir played with alot of noobies then.
lol no i didnt
Played with others wearing tier 2 RvR gear.
I just know how to play my tank.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
My insight comes from playing the last few weeks of closed beta and also the preview weekend. I played on Tyrion and Pits of Zardak(sp?). First I would like to state that their was WAY more destruction players then order players. That being said, here is what I saw:
Chosen: Not only the most popular tanking class, but probably the most popular class in the game. They have been overpowered in the past, received some nerfs, and, imo, are still slightly overpowered. They have auras that have aoe effects, so they are very useful in rvr.
Black Orc: Probably the third most popular tanking class, even though there are probably a lot more black orcs then swordmasters or ironbreakers. They are brutes that (like all tanks) last so damn long, they are a huge pain. They are VERY good at keeping their target locked down. The last thing I wanted to see while on my archmage was a black orc coming at me.
Swordmaster: They are probably the second most popular tanking class, but not the most popular elf class, and definitely not the most popular order class. They are similiar to black orcs and lock targets down well.
Ironbreaker: The least popular tanking class. They build grudge points (up to 100) that are used to perform certain abilities. They are short, angry, and I did not see many of them. Probably one of the least played order classes.
Tanks are very useful in rvr. A good player, with a 2hander, can do some pretty good damage, but the best tanks I have seen are the ones that pick up the sword and board and protect their allys. Tanks can mitigate damage so well that NOT protecting their allys is kind of a waste of potential.
My insight comes from playing the last few weeks of closed beta and also the preview weekend. I played on Tyrion and Pits of Zardak(sp?). First I would like to state that their was WAY more destruction players then order players. That being said, here is what I saw: Chosen: Not only the most popular tanking class, but probably the most popular class in the game. They have been overpowered in the past, received some nerfs, and, imo, are still slightly overpowered. They have auras that have aoe effects, so they are very useful in rvr. Black Orc: Probably the third most popular tanking class, even though there are probably a lot more black orcs then swordmasters or ironbreakers. They are brutes that (like all tanks) last so damn long, they are a huge pain. They are VERY good at keeping their target locked down. The last thing I wanted to see while on my archmage was a black orc coming at me. Swordmaster: They are probably the second most popular tanking class, but not the most popular elf class, and definitely not the most popular order class. They are similiar to black orcs and lock targets down well. Ironbreaker: The least popular tanking class. They build grudge points (up to 100) that are used to perform certain abilities. They are short, angry, and I did not see many of them. Probably one of the least played order classes.
Tanks are very useful in rvr. A good player, with a 2hander, can do some pretty good damage, but the best tanks I have seen are the ones that pick up the sword and board and protect their allys. Tanks can mitigate damage so well that NOT protecting their allys is kind of a waste of potential.
Correction : grudge isnt like warrior rage in WoW all it does is increase the damage you do with white damage and increase all effect from your atack , The only atack that cost grudge was the knockback ( maybe something else at higher lvl )
people are so worried about not being in the top score list , that all i hear about how about team work people personal stats mean squat if you dont win the event .
people are so worried about not being in the top score list , that all i hear about how about team work people personal stats mean squat if you dont win the event . seriously
I see a lot of posts asking "How is this class"? or "Is this class good in RvR"?
You nailed it here and the question these people are really asking is (sadly) if I roll this character, will I top the score list?
Quite a few "tanks are weak in RvR" posts in the thread.
Well, if you played PW and had the feeling tanks are a bit lacking in RvR, you are basically right, BUT keep one thing in mind:
At higher levels balance really shifts towards tanks. In T4 tanks are very strong in RvR, especially if backed up by a good healer. They can wreak a lot of havoc in the enemy lines.
Your survavibility advantage compared to other archetypes gets a lot bigger and you get a lot of very useful abilities. (buffs / debuffs / snares / knockdowns / knockbacks / AE damage and so on)
Also, with squishies getting relatively "even squishier" at higher ranks (kills getting a bit quicker), a tank that helps his casters/healers stay alive gets more important.
And, there are only a few things more fun than standing in the front row, totally blocking off a keep entrance with a few of your tank buddies while getting healed from behind, watching 40+ enemies charge your defense-line
Empire suffers in PQs very early on due to the lack of a tank, I imagine Dark Elves have a similar issue (can't speak from experience being somewhat of an Elf hater), but people tend to migrate fairly quickly. I've seen a Swordmaster taking part in the very first Empire PQ for example.
I don't think a lack of tanks will be a problem seeing as 'warriors' are the most played class in RPGs.
The Empire and Dark Elves have what i would call "health Tanks" which as you would know are DoKs and WPs. Have you ever seen a Warrior Priest and a Black Orc go at it? Its amazing. I was actually the warrior priest in this situation, i got his life to about half until a ******* zealot came along. We were at it for about 3 minutes before the stupid zealot decided to step in and save his buddy.......stupid zealot.
You nailed it here and the question these people are really asking is (sadly) if I roll this character, will I top the score list?
And those are the exact people that my guild uses as fodder. Let them run in first like idiots and then our well balanced group of players that know their character's roles come in and mop up the enemy while they are distracted. Then have all of "those" people wonder why a RP and IB beat their uber BW. (Of course... our BW will be at the top of the list... hehe)
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Does anyone think that a Warrior Priest could be a back up tank??
No. My Chosen tank took out Warrior Priests ALL the time.....and pretty fast I may add.
Those warrior priests must have been pretty lame because no single Chosen or Black Orc could put me down easily on his own except if he was 2 lvls higher than me.
I am going to downright disagree with some of the opinions here. However, it won't be on tank functionality in WAR. I've been a member of CB for quite some time, and I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that the biggest issue with Order is the lack of tanks.
I am quite understanding of why Mythic decided to cut back on some classes. We all know what happens when you try to do too much too fast(cough...AoC), but the lack of an Empire tank has created a bit of a problem when it comes to open RvR balance.
Destruction has more tanks, and alot more, and IMO, it's purely due to asthetics.
Without tanks, you can kiss winning open RvR engagements goodbye. Tanks in WAR are meant to hold lines and push them. A tank with a good backup group of healers and a competent set of assisting DPS can run right through an enemy line if they aren't challenged. Our guild ran the assist train all weekend, and it's powerful when all of the elements are working as they should.
Having played all of the tank classes extensively, I am going to also disagree that BOs are the best tank. IBs, no doubt, if played competently(using guard and oath friend correctly), are the hardest tank in Warhammer. A SM can spec into nasty 2 handed damage with survivability, but for pure tank and CC, nothing compares with an IB. However, despite IBs being so powerful in holding lines and pushing through enemy lines, the truth of the matter is, not alot of people are going to gravitate to this class. Let's face is, no one wants to play a stuntie ( or many for that matter).
Additionally, another issue surrounding Order tanks, is that tanks, by design, are a class that absolutely has to be supported by healers. Without healers, they drop quickly if FFed.
So what we are seeing, at least in most CB situations, is a class that is absolutely necessary, however, aren't the most asthetically pleasing and don't have the same "cool" factor as Destro tanks.
This could create a problem in the first few weeks of live. Destro, with BOs and Chosen , rocking right through enemy lines... Not because they are better, but because they have no front line opposition.
Oh and another thing theyll be plenty to start, but when people catch on that healers /tanks get crummy scores in pqs, i expect less people to play them.
and those people miss the point of RvR... it's a team effort. My first character will be a Shadow Warrior, Second a Swordmaster and third an Archmage (Yes I like Elves)... I'll probably roll Witch Hunter and Engineer also to reserve the names - may never paly them though...
With each side down to two tanks, how necessary are tanks for PvE? If only 2 out of 10 classes on each side are tanks, will there be enough tanks for PvE activities? Can melee dps and support classes act as passable tanks in PvE?
ha, there will be no shortage of tanks on either side.
I'm not playing chosen tank specifically for the reason there will be too many of them, similarly for black orc.
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also, please wash your mind of WoW! Just because tanks were boring in WoW, doesn't mean that tanks in other games are boring! And yes, i have a 70 war and yes, it's boring to play.
tanks in WAR are FUN!
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I personally think that chain heals are just as useful as a pure tank.. I have seen BO's try and force themseves into a group of Order and get their as ripped open without a healer.. Tanks may be able to mitigate damage but I think as in most mmo's the healer will have a VITAL role in survival.. So I think the importance will start with healers then tanks, if the healers cannot do their jobs and actually heal the tank, he will get ganked and be dead soon enough.. White Lion has a skill that can ignore a percentage of armor ratings too, which would make a tank pretty squishy pretty fast..
people are so worried about not being in the top score list , that all i hear about how about team work people personal stats mean squat if you dont win the event . seriously
I see a lot of posts asking "How is this class"? or "Is this class good in RvR"?
You nailed it here and the question these people are really asking is (sadly) if I roll this character, will I top the score list?
I agree a lot with this. I don't care where I place on the scores, all I care about is if my side wins.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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What I love the most about tanks is that it seems like I am the last person the enemy goes after no matter what equipment I wear. Many people just run from me I guess since they feel like it's too much effort to bring me down. If I get a nice greatsword and put as much towards strength and dps as I can it can be a whole lot of fun.
They aren't necessary, but they are fun to play. Every archetype has a very important role in the game so it just comes down to preference. There will definitely be enough tanks to go around. They are some of the most popular classes next to Shaman.
Tanks will be a issue for Order, it has been that way in CB and I dont see that changing much come release. There are going to be sooooo many scrubs rolling witchunters, white lions, playing their warrior priest as a melee dps, and the worst : melee dps IB's and SM's that guilds will not have much to recruit when it comes to tanks. With that said, any guild worth a shit knows this and has plans in place to make sure their core players are rolling IB's and a few SM's.
Tanks are NOT an issue. Any guild worth a penny will create tank(s) in the races that can have them and simply move them over to the lands where they are needed. My SM will spend about 1 hour in the elven lands before moving over to the Empire lands. It costs 50 copper pieces to fly over (which you can afford effortlessly) to any other land and you can do so at level 1.
Does anyone think that a Warrior Priest could be a back up tank??
No.
While no is right, in low lvls they are just fine. With my DOK i tanked with him till higher up stuff. Tier 1 doesnt really require tanks, just more or less a healer. In tier 2 you will definetly need a tank, and at this point people start intermixing alot more.
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I've played an Ironbreaker from level 1 to around 24 and from 31 to 35ish.
It's a fun class and it's the class I'll play as my main. So long as you've got some healing you can cause a lot of havoc.
aye the tanks classes are nice in war , just wished healers didnt work so much with melee to be effective , specially when you cant get close enough to melee and get some healing power to oyur heals and such .
well anyhow i'll still go with the warrior priest at launch had quite some fun with him in the scenarios
i dont know....I won a LOT of first place as a chosen. A lot.
You sir played with alot of noobies then.
i also think i will still stick with my decision to go with the warrior priest! there just a fun overall class and they do pretty well all around i think!
i dont know....I won a LOT of first place as a chosen. A lot.
You sir played with alot of noobies then.
lol no i didnt
Played with others wearing tier 2 RvR gear.
I just know how to play my tank.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
My insight comes from playing the last few weeks of closed beta and also the preview weekend. I played on Tyrion and Pits of Zardak(sp?). First I would like to state that their was WAY more destruction players then order players. That being said, here is what I saw:
Chosen: Not only the most popular tanking class, but probably the most popular class in the game. They have been overpowered in the past, received some nerfs, and, imo, are still slightly overpowered. They have auras that have aoe effects, so they are very useful in rvr.
Black Orc: Probably the third most popular tanking class, even though there are probably a lot more black orcs then swordmasters or ironbreakers. They are brutes that (like all tanks) last so damn long, they are a huge pain. They are VERY good at keeping their target locked down. The last thing I wanted to see while on my archmage was a black orc coming at me.
Swordmaster: They are probably the second most popular tanking class, but not the most popular elf class, and definitely not the most popular order class. They are similiar to black orcs and lock targets down well.
Ironbreaker: The least popular tanking class. They build grudge points (up to 100) that are used to perform certain abilities. They are short, angry, and I did not see many of them. Probably one of the least played order classes.
Tanks are very useful in rvr. A good player, with a 2hander, can do some pretty good damage, but the best tanks I have seen are the ones that pick up the sword and board and protect their allys. Tanks can mitigate damage so well that NOT protecting their allys is kind of a waste of potential.
Correction : grudge isnt like warrior rage in WoW all it does is increase the damage you do with white damage and increase all effect from your atack , The only atack that cost grudge was the knockback ( maybe something else at higher lvl )
people are so worried about not being in the top score list , that all i hear about how about team work people personal stats mean squat if you dont win the event .
seriously
I see a lot of posts asking "How is this class"? or "Is this class good in RvR"?
You nailed it here and the question these people are really asking is (sadly) if I roll this character, will I top the score list?
Quite a few "tanks are weak in RvR" posts in the thread.
Well, if you played PW and had the feeling tanks are a bit lacking in RvR, you are basically right, BUT keep one thing in mind:
At higher levels balance really shifts towards tanks. In T4 tanks are very strong in RvR, especially if backed up by a good healer. They can wreak a lot of havoc in the enemy lines.
Your survavibility advantage compared to other archetypes gets a lot bigger and you get a lot of very useful abilities. (buffs / debuffs / snares / knockdowns / knockbacks / AE damage and so on)
Also, with squishies getting relatively "even squishier" at higher ranks (kills getting a bit quicker), a tank that helps his casters/healers stay alive gets more important.
And, there are only a few things more fun than standing in the front row, totally blocking off a keep entrance with a few of your tank buddies while getting healed from behind, watching 40+ enemies charge your defense-line
The Empire and Dark Elves have what i would call "health Tanks" which as you would know are DoKs and WPs. Have you ever seen a Warrior Priest and a Black Orc go at it? Its amazing. I was actually the warrior priest in this situation, i got his life to about half until a ******* zealot came along. We were at it for about 3 minutes before the stupid zealot decided to step in and save his buddy.......stupid zealot.
This is not a game.
And those are the exact people that my guild uses as fodder. Let them run in first like idiots and then our well balanced group of players that know their character's roles come in and mop up the enemy while they are distracted. Then have all of "those" people wonder why a RP and IB beat their uber BW. (Of course... our BW will be at the top of the list... hehe)
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
No. My Chosen tank took out Warrior Priests ALL the time.....and pretty fast I may add.
Those warrior priests must have been pretty lame because no single Chosen or Black Orc could put me down easily on his own except if he was 2 lvls higher than me.
This is not a game.
I am going to downright disagree with some of the opinions here. However, it won't be on tank functionality in WAR. I've been a member of CB for quite some time, and I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that the biggest issue with Order is the lack of tanks.
I am quite understanding of why Mythic decided to cut back on some classes. We all know what happens when you try to do too much too fast(cough...AoC), but the lack of an Empire tank has created a bit of a problem when it comes to open RvR balance.
Destruction has more tanks, and alot more, and IMO, it's purely due to asthetics.
Without tanks, you can kiss winning open RvR engagements goodbye. Tanks in WAR are meant to hold lines and push them. A tank with a good backup group of healers and a competent set of assisting DPS can run right through an enemy line if they aren't challenged. Our guild ran the assist train all weekend, and it's powerful when all of the elements are working as they should.
Having played all of the tank classes extensively, I am going to also disagree that BOs are the best tank. IBs, no doubt, if played competently(using guard and oath friend correctly), are the hardest tank in Warhammer. A SM can spec into nasty 2 handed damage with survivability, but for pure tank and CC, nothing compares with an IB. However, despite IBs being so powerful in holding lines and pushing through enemy lines, the truth of the matter is, not alot of people are going to gravitate to this class. Let's face is, no one wants to play a stuntie ( or many for that matter).
Additionally, another issue surrounding Order tanks, is that tanks, by design, are a class that absolutely has to be supported by healers. Without healers, they drop quickly if FFed.
So what we are seeing, at least in most CB situations, is a class that is absolutely necessary, however, aren't the most asthetically pleasing and don't have the same "cool" factor as Destro tanks.
This could create a problem in the first few weeks of live. Destro, with BOs and Chosen , rocking right through enemy lines... Not because they are better, but because they have no front line opposition.
and those people miss the point of RvR... it's a team effort. My first character will be a Shadow Warrior, Second a Swordmaster and third an Archmage (Yes I like Elves)... I'll probably roll Witch Hunter and Engineer also to reserve the names - may never paly them though...
Freak.
j/k
ha, there will be no shortage of tanks on either side.
I'm not playing chosen tank specifically for the reason there will be too many of them, similarly for black orc.
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Playing: EVE
Played: EQ (+all expansions too), Asheron''s Call 2, Anarchy Online, Planet Side, EQ2, WoW (+TBC), EVE
also, please wash your mind of WoW! Just because tanks were boring in WoW, doesn't mean that tanks in other games are boring! And yes, i have a 70 war and yes, it's boring to play.
tanks in WAR are FUN!
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Playing: EVE
Played: EQ (+all expansions too), Asheron''s Call 2, Anarchy Online, Planet Side, EQ2, WoW (+TBC), EVE
I personally think that chain heals are just as useful as a pure tank.. I have seen BO's try and force themseves into a group of Order and get their as ripped open without a healer.. Tanks may be able to mitigate damage but I think as in most mmo's the healer will have a VITAL role in survival.. So I think the importance will start with healers then tanks, if the healers cannot do their jobs and actually heal the tank, he will get ganked and be dead soon enough.. White Lion has a skill that can ignore a percentage of armor ratings too, which would make a tank pretty squishy pretty fast..
We need people who are dedicated healers..
I see a lot of posts asking "How is this class"? or "Is this class good in RvR"?
You nailed it here and the question these people are really asking is (sadly) if I roll this character, will I top the score list?
I agree a lot with this. I don't care where I place on the scores, all I care about is if my side wins.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
What I love the most about tanks is that it seems like I am the last person the enemy goes after no matter what equipment I wear. Many people just run from me I guess since they feel like it's too much effort to bring me down. If I get a nice greatsword and put as much towards strength and dps as I can it can be a whole lot of fun.
They aren't necessary, but they are fun to play. Every archetype has a very important role in the game so it just comes down to preference. There will definitely be enough tanks to go around. They are some of the most popular classes next to Shaman.
Tanks will be a issue for Order, it has been that way in CB and I dont see that changing much come release. There are going to be sooooo many scrubs rolling witchunters, white lions, playing their warrior priest as a melee dps, and the worst : melee dps IB's and SM's that guilds will not have much to recruit when it comes to tanks. With that said, any guild worth a shit knows this and has plans in place to make sure their core players are rolling IB's and a few SM's.
Tanks are NOT an issue. Any guild worth a penny will create tank(s) in the races that can have them and simply move them over to the lands where they are needed. My SM will spend about 1 hour in the elven lands before moving over to the Empire lands. It costs 50 copper pieces to fly over (which you can afford effortlessly) to any other land and you can do so at level 1.
No.
While no is right, in low lvls they are just fine. With my DOK i tanked with him till higher up stuff. Tier 1 doesnt really require tanks, just more or less a healer. In tier 2 you will definetly need a tank, and at this point people start intermixing alot more.