this might sound wrong to the republicans but...

Thrakk

I think that that the people who choose McSame over Obama are generally pessimists and have no hope in the world and are supportive of 9/11 being an inside job.

Discuss. I know I'm gonna get a thousand people who disagree because most of the politcal people in this off topic forum are McSame fans...but.... their disregard of any optimistic hope that Obama might bring is starling in how much of a cynic these people are

Thrakk

no matter what you say or how many facts you spew, obama has just as many in return...

Thrakk

I guess this has to do with the strong republican bias in this forum that comes from who knows where?

Maybe the republicans were raised in the south... and their parents hate black people?? how many of you republicans were raised in the south?

CactusmanX

What makes McCain supporters pessimistic or supportive of 911 inside job theories?

I don't support McCain by the way, I just don't get where you are coming from.

Thrakk

its the extremely fighting mood that every republic in mmorpg puts out. like they are fighting for their life... and they believe they are fighting for their life... must be the fight in their blood?

Unknown

Well, I'm politically unaffiliated. Tell me why I should vote for Obama.

Laserwolf

People will vote for McCain over Obama not because they think everything is fine as it is. Neither do they think Obama would make it worse. Hell, a few of them might even believe he could make things better. The primary reason is that when they close their eyes they see a tree-hugging, filthy, lazy, good-for-nothing hippy. You don't want to give that person any satisfaction. You don't want to hand them the keys to your country. Deep down people vote on their mental image of the other side. Not really the individual candidate, but rather the type of people who support that candidate.

As for me, I admit I feel the same way. I see the the reporters on Fox, or the Right-Wing Radio hosts with their ken-doll un-parted hair, and their glinting eyes as they always look like they are staring off into some majestic American Landscape. I see the other side as mean spirited, cold, rigid, and dangerous. I see them as close-minded and proudly ignorant about politics. People who are proud to vote, but would rather watch Big Brother or American Idol than their own convention. When it comes to humor they can certainly make a joke, but they get a dangerous glint in their idea when it's time to take one.

For the most part both sides believe in the same things. The only issues that divide the 2 parties are the small ones. A republican and a democrate can look at the same purple car and the republican will say it is red while the democrat would say it was blue. Both will agree it is a car, but they'll argue against the color just because they don't want the other side to win.

Here is another example. We all know that the show 24 is popular among Republicans. I am a liberal Democrat and I love it too. However, I think Jack Bauer(Not Kiefer Sutherland) would be a Democrat. I know as much about the character as anyone else who has seen every episode of every season and still think that what has been shown of him so far would make him a democrat. Any Republican out there would look at the same character and say he is clearly a Republican.

Thrakk

resaons why I support Obama over McCain: anti-war, economic growth, more brain power than mccain - more likely to get rid of the old (pork belly politics and republican war conspiracys) and on with the new less biased politics.

 "The primary reason is that when they close their eyes they see a tree-hugging, filthy, lazy, good-for-nothing hippy."  - quoting the above poster

- I have no idea who raised you to believe this so strongly. the cynicism and what seems like racism is startling. Its like the old proverb "judge not less you be judged" except you are disobeying it completely because of bias ingrained in your brain from your family and friends. that is exactly what all this strong anti-obama stuff sounds like because a bunch of republicans start spewing hate out of their ass even when politics isn't the subject...

 

sorry if I sound rude but it's  because the republicans sound extremely rude and what kind of fight would be fair without negative campaigning which is extremely typical of the republicans - if you believe to see this or not.

and the only way to fight fire is with fire

Cabe2323

I won't vote for Obama for one specific issue.  Obama is agains't personal Responsibility.  No matter what he says, no matter what anyone tells me, it is the truth. 

Anyone the supports Universal Healthcare, Strong Welfare programs, and other social programs similar to this believe that Personal Responsibility is a bad thing. 

 

To the OP.  If you want to support someone that will get rid of Pork Barrel spending then Obama is not the guy to support.  Pork Barrel spending is the trademark of Social Programs.  That is what they are all about. 

bluberryhaze

"You may or may not agree with Obama's policy prescriptions, but they are, by and large, serious attempts to deal with the biggest issues we face: a failing health care system, oil dependency, income stagnation, and climate change. To the rest of the world, a rejection of the promise he represents wouldn't just be an odd choice by the United States. It would be taken for what it would be: sign and symptom of a nation's historical decline."

 

Thrakk

by now, I couldn't believe a single thing a republican says because of the bias and insanity that comes out of their mouths every day.

 

sorry but I'm not the negative type (although I have to be to make my point clear in this topic) and republicans ARE the negative type. Every counterargument Iv'e read is just some clever politcial jargon against the truth.

some subtle incorrect invasion of the truth basically

Falice

Op, just look at my sig and avatar, it'll tell you where I stand.

//\//\oo

They're both nothing to write home about and neither really has any achievements that qualify them for the position. It seems like presidential candidates are required to be unqualified and oblivious to relevant issues, or else we'd see some economics PhD's running.

People are too obtuse to look for a candidate that is intelligent, because they're so hung up on enforcing their individual moralities when that isn't even the responsibility of the president: The president's duty is to hold congress in check to ensure that it is working in the favor of the people, not enforce a particular view on an issue; it was intended that issues like abortion be managed by the individual state that best represents the particular people that live in the state.

I'm sick and tired of the "what is your stance" and "do you accept the lord Jesus Christ" questions that merely enforce the bigoted voter's superficial beliefs about the candidate. The freak show we call an election is nothing more than an expensive popularity contest.

Yeah, I'll probably be voting for McCain, but not for the candidate himself, but because of Obama's insane capital gains increase and other economic disasters that he is promulgating. It's sad though, because both candidates are spewing whatever they are told to spew by their respective parties and I doubt that neither one of them has the faculties to even understand the ramifications of the policies that they promise to implement.

Also.. I'm independent for the record and this might be the first time I am voting Republican and no it's not a race issue: If Condoleezza were to run she'd get my vote, because she's more qualified than both candidates combined.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Laserwolf

In the last election Democrats were said to be voting against Bush instead of for Kerry. Now it seems to be the other way around. That speaks poorly of our political system I think.

Precusor

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Cabe2323

Originally posted by Laserwolf


In the last election Democrats were said to be voting against Bush instead of for Kerry. Now it seems to be the other way around. That speaks poorly of our political system I think.

 

I voted for Ron Paul in the Primary.  I was one of about 60K Floridians that voted for Ron Paul.  I have never voted for a Republican candidate for President (never voted for a Democrat either though) and since Ron Paul didn't get the nomination I wasn't going to this time either, but Obama is just that bad of a candidate in my opinion that I may vote for McCain (instead of leaning towards Barr). 

Enigma

Im not voting for Obama because of a few things:

1. No experience. A few years in the senate doesn't cut it for me
2. His affiations with people (his childhood mentors)in the communist party during his time in Hawaii and in other places.
3. The sheer fact that he thinks Socialized medicine will work.
4. His very poor choice of words when he does speeches (these poor people still cling to guns and religion; you wanna help out our oil crises? Inflate your tires more!...eerily reminiscient of Jimmy Carter)
5. He's the most left winged politician in US Congress. Which means he is just as bad as the most right winged politician in US Congress.
6. I just don't trust him. Anyone can have great speeches. Not everyone can run a country

Does that mean Im voting for McCain? No. Not necessarily. McCain has some issues too. This political year sucks.

With that said, if the Dems wanted to win they should have chosen Hillary. She has some bad policies too but the fact she isn't as far left as Obama is would have made her a shoe in.

 

Tyres100

Originally posted by Enigma


Im not voting for Obama because of a few things:

No experience. A few years in the senate doesn't cut it for me Obama is 47 Bill Clinton was 45 (took office) when they said he was to young with little experience, and look what he did for the country.
His affiations with people (his childhood mentors)in the communist party during his time in Hawaii and in other places. Look how young he was, people change. If they don't they are not human.
The sheer fact that he thinks Socialized medicine will work. It works for Canada and other countries, except we have higher standards here, why shouldn't it?
His very poor choice of words when he does speeches (these poor people still cling to guns and religion; you wanna help out our oil crises? Inflate your tires more!...eerily reminiscient of Jimmy Carter) Meh, it is proven if you inflate your tires to the proper pressure you increase gas mielage by up to 4% and take that number and multiply it by all the people who drive is a huge economic advantage. less oil we would need overal to import and this frees up for other things. Just by doing one small thing can save you money equal to a tax break. So you do the math, 4% increase in gas mileage over 1 year is a huge savings to the average citizen. Tire pressure is the most un looked at performance issue by people, something better then 95% says DOT and AAA.
He's the most left winged politician in US Congress. Which means he is just as bad as the most right winged politician in US Congress. And yet we had successful Presidents with all types. It only matters what they can do not what they stand for political title wise.
I just don't trust him. Anyone can have great speeches. Not everyone can run a country This is true, but we will have to see. He does one thing that is needed to be a successful President and that is to bring people together.

Does that mean Im voting for McCain? No. Not necessarily. McCain has some issues too. This political year sucks.
With that said, if the Dems wanted to win they should have chosen Hillary. She has some bad policies too but the fact she isn't as far left as Obama is would have made her a shoe in.
 

 

Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Enigma


Im not voting for Obama because of a few things:

No experience. A few years in the senate doesn't cut it for me
His affiations with people (his childhood mentors)in the communist party during his time in Hawaii and in other places.
The sheer fact that he thinks Socialized medicine will work.
His very poor choice of words when he does speeches (these poor people still cling to guns and religion; you wanna help out our oil crises? Inflate your tires more!...eerily reminiscient of Jimmy Carter)
He's the most left winged politician in US Congress. Which means he is just as bad as the most right winged politician in US Congress.
I just don't trust him. Anyone can have great speeches. Not everyone can run a country

Does that mean Im voting for McCain? No. Not necessarily. McCain has some issues too. This political year sucks.
With that said, if the Dems wanted to win they should have chosen Hillary. She has some bad policies too but the fact she isn't as far left as Obama is would have made her a shoe in.
 

 

QFT.

And Op are you Serrisus?? you cant be Obama will be a Blight on this country bigger than Bush.. and thats saying something. And getting rid of pork??? Wtfudge dude Demacrats are ALL Pork.

Pull your head outa the sand and look at the man for god sake. He hasent said one thing truthfull yet.(Not saying McCain is better but still)

Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Tyres100


His very poor choice of words when he does speeches (these poor people still cling to guns and religion; you wanna help out our oil crises? Inflate your tires more!...eerily reminiscient of Jimmy Carter)
Meh, it is proven if you inflate your tires to the proper pressure you increase gas mielage by up to 4% and take that number and multiply it by all the people who drive is a huge economic advantage. less oil we would need overal to import and this frees up for other things. Just by doing one small thing can save you money equal to a tax break. So you do the math, 4% increase in gas mileage over 1 year is a huge savings to the average citizen. Tire pressure is the most un looked at performance issue by people, something better then 95% says DOT and AAA. 

 

 

Lmao only problem is that these "tests" are Done under Perfect Driveing conishons, Not the crappy roads we have in Most areas of the country.

Your 4% is gana drop Really fast with the bad roads and Roads that arnt the same as the Test bead.

So while its Nice and all that this Might help a little, to say this will be as good as Drilling for Oil, Or building better cars that is a Complete Laugh.

Enigma

Originally posted by Tyres100

Originally posted by Enigma


Im not voting for Obama because of a few things:

No experience. A few years in the senate doesn't cut it for me Obama is 47 Bill Clinton was 45 (took office) when they said he was to young with little experience, and look what he did for the country

Bill was also the Governor of a state tho. Being Governor is slightly more experience than a young senator.

His affiations with people (his childhood mentors)in the communist party during his time in Hawaii and in other places. Look how young he was, people change. If they don't they are not human.

True, but he kept on referring to them as his mentors until a researcher found out they were communists and then he stopped talking about them. He had recently referred to them as his childhood mentors as early as 5 months ago. If I was running for president I certainly would not want it known that my mentors were communists.

The sheer fact that he thinks Socialized medicine will work. It works for Canada and other countries, except we have higher standards here, why shouldn't it?

Doesn't work for Canada. When I was a priest we had a rather large ministry devoted to helping ailing Canadians come to America where we helped with their medical issues. It was one of our biggest ministries. We even had Canadian Doctors call us at least 50 times a week giving us patients who needed help sooner than the three month mark given to the patient by the healthcare system.  Many people think it works for Canada but it really doesn't. Ive seen first hand what it does to people.
Think of the department of motorized vehicles. Ever got exemplary service from those guys when renewing a license? Imagine the Department of motorized vehicles but instead of the grumpy fat telling you your paperwork is wrong get back in line its a nurse.
Also, check out the hospitals for Veterans and current military personnel. I served in the US Army as a Lt as a Chaplain Candidate. The medical treatment was diplorable. When my wife was pregnant I paid for her to give birth in a civilian hospital....and I was an officer.  Now, imagine an entire country versus just the military.

His very poor choice of words when he does speeches (these poor people still cling to guns and religion; you wanna help out our oil crises? Inflate your tires more!...eerily reminiscient of Jimmy Carter) Meh, it is proven if you inflate your tires to the proper pressure you increase gas mielage by up to 4% and take that number and multiply it by all the people who drive is a huge economic advantage.

If you listen to Obamas speech on inflating your tires he was serious that this could completely solve our oil problems...and I stress completely. No im sorry that wouldnt even touch it.  It reminded me of Carter because when we had the gas crises in the late 70s he told the American people to wear sweaters to bed. Both men are serious.
A good politican would actively look for alternate forms of energy and to lessen our foreign dependence on oil. Google T Boon Pickens. His plan is pretty much solid.

He's the most left winged politician in US Congress. Which means he is just as bad as the most right winged politician in US Congress. And yet we had successful Presidents with all types. It only matters what they can do not what they stand for political title wise.

Libs always cry foul with Bush and label him as a neocon. Well if you want to put Obama and Bush on a chart so to speak, Obama is further left than Bush is further right.  I personally, do not want a completely left winged lib running our country just like I dont want a completely right winged republican running our country. Even Bill Clinton, even tho he was a lib, was nowhere near the left as Obama is now.

I just don't trust him. Anyone can have great speeches. Not everyone can run a country This is true, but we will have to see. He does one thing that is needed to be a successful President and that is to bring people together.

Yeah, inevitably no matter who wins, will def see what happens. That's true

 

 

CleffyII

I am a very moderate independant.  When someone like McCain was running it was very exciting because its rare for a moderate to ever get a nomination in today's political climate.  This compared to Nader, Obama, and Barr who 2 are far left and the other far right. 

Another reason is I am opposed to Obama's ideas.  His proposals will run up the cost of the federal government with no cuts and an increase in taxes over 50% a persons wage if they are successful.  In an economy of repair and decreases record debt.  I don't think the wisest thing is to increase spending and make people afraid to spend or achieve.  This and many of his proposals have historically proven to not just be bad but disasterous.

 

-BTW, the way many Obama supporters make it sound.  They were pessimists before Obama shined a light upon them.  Just because you were a pessimist before you were enticed by Obama doesn't mean people who don't support Obama are pessimistic.

Kailash

Originally posted by bluberryhaze


"You may or may not agree with Obama's policy prescriptions, but they are, by and large, serious attempts to deal with the biggest issues we face: a failing health care system, oil dependency, income stagnation, and climate change. To the rest of the world, a rejection of the promise he represents wouldn't just be an odd choice by the United States. It would be taken for what it would be: sign and symptom of a nation's historical decline."
 

 

TOTALLY agree... Seriously i have seen everysingle McCain//Obama speech... Im a republican but even I think its a TERRIBLE idea to vote for McCain...its clear that he wants to finish off what bush started... except WE are the ones who have to pay for it. Seriously get your head out of your ass people. If McCain is voted in I literally will lose ALL hope for America. Its so fuckin obvious McCain is the wrong guy to choose. He agreed to 95% of EVERYTHING bush passed. Omfg it pisses me off that americans would even consider him an option.

Finwe

Originally posted by Kailash

Originally posted by bluberryhaze


"You may or may not agree with Obama's policy prescriptions, but they are, by and large, serious attempts to deal with the biggest issues we face: a failing health care system, oil dependency, income stagnation, and climate change. To the rest of the world, a rejection of the promise he represents wouldn't just be an odd choice by the United States. It would be taken for what it would be: sign and symptom of a nation's historical decline."
 

 

TOTALLY agree... Seriously i have seen everysingle McCain//Obama speech... Im a republican but even I think its a TERRIBLE idea to vote for McCain...its clear that he wants to finish off what bush started... except WE are the ones who have to pay for it. Seriously get your head out of your ass people. If McCain is voted in I literally will lose ALL hope for America. Its so fuckin obvious McCain is the wrong guy to choose. He agreed to 95% of EVERYTHING bush passed. Omfg it pisses me off that americans would even consider him an option.

 

And an even worse idea to vote for Obama.

Point is...we're screwed.

Gorair

considering a presaident passing nothing ...

zero

zip

it scares me that people actually think changing a president's party will accomplish anything today.

I just wish half the people here in america actually knew what a presidnet does or CAN do.

I lost hope as soon as i realized there arent very many people left who are not totally educated by televison on the powers of the branches of govt in the USA.

The only good news is that in only 2-3 more elections of failed presidents ( this one will to ,no matter who is elected because not one presidential candidate has actually talked about doing anything a president can do, only what they will ask congress to do for them , by that i mean give out as hand outs because you really cant accomplish anything on your own, the avg citizen is too stupid to manage his own money , take care of his own family, etc ... thats what they are all saying right now , not me the candidates) the avg american will get back to understanding what a president actually does and does not do and might vote in a congress that will pass solutions to the issues without too much extra riders on each.

The nice thing is we are repeating history here ,and it isnt even ancient history only early 20th century history, but we managed to survive it then , we will survive it this time too. After a few years of really seeing what a lack of middle class really is and remembering what makes it go away, we will get smart again, or at least whoever we whore ourselves out too will be smart enough to carry the day.

 

 In the end it matters nothing at all who is elected president, they have ideas that they take to congress who isnt even worried about you as a voter because you bought into placing the blame for their failures on an entirely different office. They fear nothing from an avg voter who wil check dem or reb on the ballot for senate or house without even knowing what the damn name is. They no longer have anyone to answer to because their only critic ,their only check , their only threat to losing office , the very  people they represent  are stupid enough to blame someone else for their failures.

I guess there really was a reason to making sure the last generation was bought up loathing self reliance and personal responsibility , makes it easy to shift blame when they are taught that form birth.

 

 edit i forgot something important lol lost it in cut and paste whew hope i got it fast enough.

bluberryhaze

wow. something of mine was deleted.

it was this newsweek article that said if obama isnt elected, america is racist.

http://www.slate.com/id/2198397/