After the honey moon period is over the reality will hopefully set in for most.

Polarization

*Disclaimer: If you consider me to be a “troll vapor hater” or whatever don’t even bother reading this post.

Yes I’ve seen the highest quality version of the video several times, yes I enjoyed it, and yes I thought it was relatively quite impressive, and no I’m not going to criticize the graphics.

Yes we finally got something substantial, but its taken so many years of development to get to this stage, and we still had to wait 3 months for them to produce it.

After the initial euphoria subsides, hopefully the community will get a bit more realistic and accept the fact there’s only 4 months left to publicly beta test and then release this game.

And that constructive criticism is perfectly valid and will be needed as an essential part of the beta process.

There’s some things in the video that are good or even very good.

And there’s also some things that are at best average or have received mixed responses even from the fans.

But then there’s some things that are bad or even very bad.

Will some things be improved or fixed in the next 4 months?, yes of course some probably will be but to expect everything will be in only 4 months is not realistic and is rather naïve.

In my opinion what we see in this video it pretty much essentially the best presentation of what the developers are planning to give us by the end of the year.

The video although almost certainly composed using in game play footage is still a highly structured and orchestrated promotional and marketing movie composed mostly of story boarded set piece battle or action sequences.

All company’s do this pre release, and very few people consider them to be true or absolute testaments to the true quality or nature of the actual game.

It is not really a very good general or authentic impression of what actually playing the game from the players perspective will be like.

And at the same time unfortunately the majority of what was featured has already been seen previously I.E. combat, mounts and ships, just less extensively.

Yes we did see some new things, but a lot of the things that many people wanted to see we saw only very briefly and in some cases for only a few seconds or not at all.

Does that mean these things are not implemented or that they are but the developers are not ready to show them, or they do not want to show them, who knows.

All I can say is unfortunately in my opinion this video did not comprehensively demonstrate all of Darkfalls proposed features using game play footage adequately.

2 Beta sign ups have come and gone before, and the community believed just as strongly that they were definitely going to happen soon as they do now.

And numerous tentative or even official schedules no matter how vague or ambiguous or indefinite they were have come and gone over the years and the community believed just as strongly that they were definitely going to happen as they do now.

Years ago the developers announced they had found a publisher and the community was definitely sure it indicated beta and launch were definitely coming soon just like they do now.

Like I’ve always said I would like to be wrong about my skepticism but considering this past history I will never give the developers the benefit of the doubt again until they finally prove their claims, this video has certainly gone a long way in doing so, but it by no means has conclusively finally proven beyond reasonable doubt everything they have been promising or claimed over the years.

Anyone who has a general appreciation of the history of the MMO industry will accept this, or has objectively compared what has been demonstrated in the latest video with the FAQ on their official website let alone their numerous Q&A’s over the years.

Like any other MMO, the true test will be public beta.

MrBum21

good post, and i agree with a lot of what you have said.  i havent seen the video on the highest quality, and probably wont for some time due to my location and connection, but i have seen a little of the youtoube vidoe.

 

it all comes down to how much can you trust a  salesman? 

 

when it comes to darkfall i choose to hope, but not expect.  maybe someday the game will be released and one of 2 sides will be right.  the haters or the fanboys.  till then ill just hang out on the sidelines watching the traffic go by till i see a good reson to cross the road.

lotharr

Originally posted by Polarization


*Disclaimer: If you consider me to be a “troll vapor hater” or whatever don’t even bother reading this post.
Yes I’ve seen the highest quality version of the video several times, yes I enjoyed it, and yes I thought it was relatively quite impressive, and no I’m not going to criticize the graphics.
Yes we finally got something substantial, but its taken so many years of development to get to this stage, and we still had to wait 3 months for them to produce it.
Nice to hear that you liked it! The long developing time was do to the making style of the video, as they filmed it while they had some actual scenarios going on.
After the initial euphoria subsides, hopefully the community will get a bit more realistic and accept the fact there’s only 4 months left to publicly beta test and then release this game.
The game has been in closed beta for a very long time now. It's only the open beta, which will be quite short.
And that constructive criticism is perfectly valid and will be needed as an essential part of the beta process.
There’s some things in the video that are good or even very good.
And there’s also some things that are at best average or have received mixed responses even from the fans.
But then there’s some things that are bad or even very bad.
Will some things be improved or fixed in the next 4 months?, yes of course some probably will be but to expect everything will be in only 4 months is not realistic and is rather naïve.
Some of the problems might get fixed in the four months, really, the things that were bad about the video are these:


- The explosions


- Walking and running out of sync


- The animations in general


Those are probably the easiest and fastest things to fix, too. They can possibly be patched in no time. Remember, the footage is raw, from pre-open beta. Most game companies doen't even have the balls to give raw beta material to the public.
In my opinion what we see in this video it pretty much essentially the best presentation of what the developers are planning to give us by the end of the year.
The video although almost certainly composed using in game play footage is still a highly structured and orchestrated promotional and marketing movie composed mostly of story boarded set piece battle or action sequences.
All company’s do this pre release, and very few people consider them to be true or absolute testaments to the true quality or nature of the actual game.
It is not really a very good general or authentic impression of what actually playing the game from the players perspective will be like.
And at the same time unfortunately the majority of what was featured has already been seen previously I.E. combat, mounts and ships, just less extensively.
Not majority, but some of it. Saying combat, mounts and ships is a very vague statement, as there are many things included in those things which we don't know about at all.


Things that were new: NPC fighting, city sieges, huge battles, spells, bigger naval battle, taking ships over, crafting, trading etc.
Yes we did see some new things, but a lot of the things that many people wanted to see we saw only very briefly and in some cases for only a few seconds or not at all.
True that, though, they can't include everything very comprehensively in a 20 minute video. It's good that they gave a little slice of this and that.
Does that mean these things are not implemented or that they are but the developers are not ready to show them, or they do not want to show them, who knows.
All I can say is unfortunately in my opinion this video did not comprehensively demonstrate all of Darkfalls proposed features using game play footage adequately.
Like I stated, you can't possibly demonstrate all of the features Darkfall has in 20 minutes.
2 Beta sign ups have come and gone before, and the community believed just as strongly that they were definitely going to happen soon as they do now.
Two beta signups? I thought there was only one and in that, they hadn't even given a release time. Also, they've now signed up a contract with their publishing company a few days ago. That alone should tell something, too.
And numerous tentative or even official schedules no matter how vague or ambiguous or indefinite they were have come and gone over the years and the community believed just as strongly that they were definitely going to happen as they do now.
Years ago the developers announced they had found a publisher and the community was definitely sure it indicated beta and launch were definitely coming soon just like they do now.
translate.google.com/translate Now, that's quite a different contract, than they've had ever before.
Like I’ve always said I would like to be wrong about my skepticism but considering this past history I will never give the developers the benefit of the doubt again until they finally prove their claims, this video has certainly gone a long way in doing so, but it by no means has conclusively finally proven beyond reasonable doubt everything they have been promising or claimed over the years.
Anyone who has a general appreciation of the history of the MMO industry will accept this, or has objectively compared what has been demonstrated in the latest video with the FAQ on their official website let alone their numerous Q&A’s over the years.
Like any other MMO, the true test will be public beta.

 

VoodooHoodoo

I agree that what we saw will be very much what we will see for ourselves when we log in for the first time.  Having said that, I'm not disappointed with the current quality.  There will be time to animate if they choose, etc..

I also agree with the fact that it did not showcase all of Darkfall's features.  I honestly don't expect a crafting video, nor a complex UI video showing us every last drop of customisation.

However, to think that they will not release beta by the end of the year is as best naive.  'Coming 2008'.  There's not much wiggle room in that statement.  One of the reasons I think it has taken so long to 'polish' is the fact that with a non level based, pick any skill you want and train it up MMO, balancing must be a real bitch to achieve.

Let me sum up my opinion.  The Developers have stated 'feature complete' for some time now.  They have ratified an agreement with an EU distributor.  It's been widely read about on news pages.  EVen a date of Octber 6 (0r 8, I'm a little sketchy on this because I can't read Greek naturally) has been published.  I've already got one allowed teabagging bet riding on a release by the 31.12.08.  I'm happy to add another if you plan on trying Darkfall out.

Remember, without hope, you will always be disappointed.

Good points about the video by the way.

 

 

Bakoryo

I liked reading this post. Gave out soem good stuff.

 

And about them only showing combat. I guess it's because adventurine is so damn secret about everything they do >> I doubt we will see the crafting system nor anything til the game is released.

 

But hey, that has one positive aspect atleast. You will enter a game with very little or no knowledge at all Been a long time since that happened for me :-p

xenogias

I kinda liked the video, though to me it showed DF is no where near ready for launch if it is in any way near what that video showed. Did it really show the crafting? It most certainly did not. It briefly showed the UI for crafting and that was it. What did the video show? If you really think about it all it did was show some scripted fights, nothing more.

I am no DF hater though it may sound like it. Like many that wouldnt admit it I have been lurking, secretly hoping it isnt vaporware. I'm still not convinced its not but its hard to argue something is going on. I really didnt expect the video to show much though, it was a PR thing. When we start seeing in-game video's by every day average joe's then we can truly begin to see what DF really is going to be like. Not by some PR video which frankly, wasnt that impressive overall.

xenogias

Originally posted by Bakoryo


I liked reading this post. Gave out soem good stuff.
 
And about them only showing combat. I guess it's because adventurine is so damn secret about everything they do >> I doubt we will see the crafting system nor anything til the game is released.
 
But hey, that has one positive aspect atleast. You will enter a game with very little or no knowledge at all Been a long time since that happened for me :-p

 

Being so secret about there game actually isnt a verry good thing if they want strong initial sales. They can thank FC for that. Right now in alot of MMO'ers minds secrets = something bad to hide. Secrets = wait and see. And in some cases secrets = not gonna bother regardless.

Personally I am taking the wait and see method. Game launches. I watch a few videos. Read a few reviews from sources I respect. Then make a choice. Lucky for me I love WAR so if DF sucks I have that to fall back on. If DF is great I have 2 great MMO's to play!

Polarization

I did not say Darkfall will definitely not start beta soon and release this year.

In fact I’ve already said numerous times that it seems more likely that it is indeed more probable that it will this time then any other.

All I’m saying is I’ve been following this games development for over 7 years since it was announced, and I’ve seen this all before many times, this game has had 2 beta sign ups before, I know because I signed up for them.

This game has had numerous official and un official beta and launch dates no matter how vague or noncommittal they were, because I’ve seen the developers make them and the community believe in them, and they all came and went over the last 7 years.

There is still no official definite date from the developers for beta or launch, apart from sometime this year.

Does that mean there will not be, no I’m not saying that.

All I’m saying is I wont believe it until I see it at this stage, by this stage I mean after 7 years of disappointment and failed predictions.

Please don’t assume that I don’t know about the latest information, I know just as much as anyone else does, which is still not that much.

I’m aware of all the latest information about beta/ release and publishing etc, and I was also aware of all the latest information each time beta / release and publishing was supposed to be happening soon every other time.

That’s precisely what made me skeptical, and what continues to make me skeptical.

I want to be wrong, I’ve always said that, this video makes me think there’s a better chance then ever that I might be wrong.

But in my opinion it still falls far short of conclusively proving many if not most of the promises and claims that have been made over the last 7 years, nor really fully justified many of the expectations and assumptions that have been created by those promises and claims.

I would hope to comprehensively demonstrate every proposed feature of Darkfall just from the official FAQ would take at least 1 hour, and many developers of other MMO spend considerably longer then 1 hour demonstrating games with far less proposed features then Darkfall.

The video was good, but it was not that good, it marks the start of the discussion about what this game actually is, and the end of the discussion about what this game might or might not be.

Like I said public Beta will be the true test, just like it has been for every other MMO.

If I was a fan or supporter of this game I would be a little worried as well as excited because theirs a distinct chance that finally we might actually be confronted with the truth about this game if Beta does start shortly.

Because nearly every other MMO I’ve ever played, no matter what it was, never met even half of what the developers claimed it would let alone all, and nearly every time it was disappointing compared to alot of the expectations that were created beforehand.

That’s why since long ago I no longer make assumptions or have any expectations about anything until it is demonstrated in game, preferably during public beta.

In my opinion this video, after 7 years, has at last finally moved the objective and rational debate from “does this game exist” to “what is this game like”, its unfortunate it has taken this long but that is the developers responsibility.

Hopefully, this time, we really will find out "soon" after all this waiting, and hopefully it wont be to much of a disappointment or even worse yet another non event.

And if its a wonderfull and unexpected surprise for "vapor troll haters" like me then thats even better.

Aragon100

Originally posted by Bakoryo


I liked reading this post. Gave out soem good stuff.
 
And about them only showing combat. I guess it's because adventurine is so damn secret about everything they do >> I doubt we will see the crafting system nor anything til the game is released.
 
But hey, that has one positive aspect atleast. You will enter a game with very little or no knowledge at all Been a long time since that happened for me :-p

 

Dont know what video you saw?

In the one i looked at i saw  UI, Pve, crafting, sailing, emotes, trading, sieging, battles on land and at sea, spellcasting, archery, riding, swimming just to mention some.

Here is a summarize on all UI shawn in the video.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=64366

Not all aspects of those of course but they were there.

Its good to leave someting out to be discovered by yourself.

Aragon100

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by Bakoryo


I liked reading this post. Gave out soem good stuff.
 
And about them only showing combat. I guess it's because adventurine is so damn secret about everything they do >> I doubt we will see the crafting system nor anything til the game is released.
 
But hey, that has one positive aspect atleast. You will enter a game with very little or no knowledge at all Been a long time since that happened for me :-p

 

Being so secret about there game actually isnt a verry good thing if they want strong initial sales. They can thank FC for that. Right now in alot of MMO'ers minds secrets = something bad to hide. Secrets = wait and see. And in some cases secrets = not gonna bother regardless.

Personally I am taking the wait and see method. Game launches. I watch a few videos. Read a few reviews from sources I respect. Then make a choice. Lucky for me I love WAR so if DF sucks I have that to fall back on. If DF is great I have 2 great MMO's to play!

 

WAR sucks so its not an option to fall back too for me. Its WoW in another shape, just awful. Couldnt stand that never ending grinding again.

Its good there is alot of stuff to discover in a game. When i go out explore for the first time i will enjoy it alot more if i can do just that, explore.

Or if i craft i want to find out by myself what i can do, not being spoonfed by devs what options i have.

This will be just like UO which was an amazing game when it come to finding out on your own. It raises the bar for the players from the spoon feeding theme park games out there.

Kshnik

It has been known since 2001 that this is a rookie development team with a limited budget and as such they are going to, and have made, lots of mistakes.    

Is it possible that Beta could be delayed again? Yes.  I expect it. 

Is it possible the release date of the game will be delay? Yes.  I expect it.

So mistakes were made and many folks dismissed Darkfall as vaporware.  A few (the OP is one) were obsessive about proving Darkfall as vaporware.   I applaud their efforts.

The OP is correct the video didnt answer all of the questions.  However, you are ignorant if you believed a video would answer all questions.   Some questions cant be answereed until we all are sitting behind our computers playing the game.

The video did answer the biggest question ' Is Darkfall real or vaporware'? 

Now the next big question to be answered is 'Will I play Darkfall for more than a few months'?

 

Isane

"Yes I’ve seen the highest quality version of the video several times, yes I enjoyed it, and yes I thought it was relatively quite impressive, and no I’m not going to criticize the graphics."

Love the disclaimer at the start of this post,  and as always a classic wall of text . Nice to see that for once the OP was impressed and lets hope that  Aventurine/DF can allay some of your fears and deliver this time.

It is nice that we have someone in these forumns that is helping us all keep a grip on reality , it is much appreciated that you are looking after us all.

 

 

Polarization

Originally posted by Aragon100


Just for old times sake Aragon100 I hope you don’t mind this little indulgence.
Dont know what video you saw?
I saw the best quality version several times, and I’ve paid close attention to it.
In the one i looked at i saw  
UI,
I saw the UI yes, or more accurately parts of it when it flashed up occasionally for a few seconds over the duration of the video.
Pve,
I saw a few parts that I agree are probably PvE but I would like to see a lot more and in more detail, was hardly comprehensive.
crafting,
I’ve not seen any crafting, if you are referring to the NPC Dwarf Blacksmith hitting his anvil with a hammer just before the UI comes up for a few seconds when the player buys a cloth helm from him then that’s not crafting.
sailing,
I've seen ships moving and turning, but im not sure if what ive seen can honestly be described as "sailing"
I did not see any evidence of weather/ wind system, sea conditions, sea depth, or that ship turning, rigging, damage specific locations / damage control  or sinking etc. etc. was modeld in any sort of realistic manner if at all.
Which i would consider prequisites for "sailing", at this stage i would say Darkfall has boats,people can get on them, and they can move and turn and fire cannons, and its looks fun and pretty cool, but not that its possible to really go "sailing".
emotes,
Yes seen some emotes, but i cant really think of anything i had less desire to see then that.
trading,
If you mean the UI flashing up for a few seconds when the players sells a katana to a NPC i agree, if you mean anything else then no.
sieging,
If you mean some hovering mobile siege vehicles destroying some walls and towers in a few seconds and driving threw the open gates then i agree, but of course again this can not honestly be called a "siege" with any veracity in my opinion, and certainly nothing like what i was expecting from a medieval/fantasy "siege"
battles on land and at sea,
yep, but i think your repeating things now, and yes they look fun and exciting, but i was hoping to see more of the otehr features of Darkfall that are not encompassed solely by battles/combat.
spellcasting,
Again we saw some of this briefly but hardly in any comprehensive detail.
archery,
Again yes but very briefly, very hard to actually work out exactly how this will work, is thier parabolic tragectories modeled or not, is it on a set time delay between shots or can we draw and "power up" the shot before loosing?, is there an accuracy penalty for shooting whilst moving (which is actually almost  impossible in real life), very hard to tell.
riding,
yep, but still very hard to tell what it actually will be like to ride and fight, only really what it looks like from a 3rd perpecitve.
swimming
along with emotes not exactly the main features of Darkfall.
just to mention some.
On the contrary I think you did attempt to mention pretty much everything shown in the video, which is the problem, a lot of it has been seen before I.e. combat, mounts and ships.
Like I said, this is a promotional marketing type video and is not unedited / non composed game play footage taken exclusively from a players perspective of what playing Darkfall Is genuinely like.
Nor is it really an in-depth demonstration or explanation of how very many of Darkfall proposed features will actually work in detail, but that’s fine and hopefully we will be shown or find out for ourselves soon within the next 4 months.
Not all aspects of those of course but they were there.
I agree alot of aspects where there but at the same alot of aspects still where not in my opinion, and even some of the aspect that where there where not shown fully.
Its good to leave someting out to be discovered by yourself.
I agree its good to have some things left unrevealed, but I disagree its good to still have so many core functions and features unrevealed or at least not disclosed fully or adequately.

 
Especially when we will apparently be entering the transition period between community members to customers at some time shortly over the next 4 months. 

 

 

altairzq

Imagination is powerful, but seriously, there was no UI, only a crosshair for a second, and some bags and a crafting window. This is not an UI and it's certainly not an ingame video. We have to see the guy playing it at a keyboard, with the UI clearly visible and functioning. For what we saw, I'd be very worried if I was a DF fan. They have far more to hide than to show.

Polarization

Originally posted by Isane


"Yes I’ve seen the highest quality version of the video several times, yes I enjoyed it, and yes I thought it was relatively quite impressive, and no I’m not going to criticize the graphics."
Love the disclaimer at the start of this post,  and as always a classic wall of text . Nice to see that for once the OP was impressed and lets hope that  Aventurine/DF can allay some of your fears and deliver this time.
It is nice that we have someone in these forumns that is helping us all keep a grip on reality , it is much appreciated that you are looking after us all.
 
 

 

I think you misunderstood the meaning of my post, but that’s because by your own admission I presume you did not read my “wall of text”.

I’m not here to “help you keep a grip on reality”, that’s your responsibility.

I’m just stating my opinion about the general distinct display of its absence concerning this video by some members of the community.

No matter how good or not good this video is, and no matter what it did comprehensively demonstrate or not.

And no matter how excited everyone is or is not about it.

There’s only 4 months left till release.

Its says “coming 2008” at the end of this video, that’s a bold claim with very little room for evasion.

Not to mention Tasos has also claimed they will start beta and launch within the year, and has constantly assured us until recently that there are no significant problems so far.

Not to mention the developers have claimed public beta will be short and will be fun and feature complete because the game has been in internal beta using professional testers etc etc .

Or that they have claimed they would not announce a launch date again until the game was ready etc etc.

Or that they could start Beta at anytime and that it would start after they signed a publishing deal which they have etc etc.

Or that we will all be able to try Darkfall for free and participate in public beta without paying etc. etc.

Or that Darkfall has apparently been feature complete for a considerable time already etc. etc.

If Darkfall does not come in 2008 or at the very least start beta then ill let you work out how that will further affect the credibility and reputation of Aventurine and Darkfall.

Especially after they have claimed very publicly in their pre-launch promotional video that it will.

Shannia

There is no beta.  There will be OPEN BETA which is nothing but a stress test leading to an already pre-determined launch date that they have set but are keeping under wraps.  Remember, Tasos has repeated said the launch date will be this year.

Funcom can't fix AoC with a staff of nearly 300 people and it's been live for months now.  Does anyone in think Aventurine will be able to fix stuff we find in OPEN beta before the end of the year?  I say the odds are very much against it.  I just hope the game is very solid when we get our hands on it in October.

 

Aragon100

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Isane


"Yes I’ve seen the highest quality version of the video several times, yes I enjoyed it, and yes I thought it was relatively quite impressive, and no I’m not going to criticize the graphics."
Love the disclaimer at the start of this post,  and as always a classic wall of text . Nice to see that for once the OP was impressed and lets hope that  Aventurine/DF can allay some of your fears and deliver this time.
It is nice that we have someone in these forumns that is helping us all keep a grip on reality , it is much appreciated that you are looking after us all.
 
 

 

I think you misunderstood the meaning of my post, but that’s because by your own admission I presume you did not read my “wall of text”.

I’m not here to “help you keep a grip on reality”, that’s your responsibility.

I’m just stating my opinion about the general distinct display of its absence concerning this video by some members of the community.

No matter how good or not good this video is, and no matter what it did comprehensively demonstrate or not.

And no matter how excited everyone is or is not about it.

There’s only 4 months left till release.

Its says “coming 2008” at the end of this video, that’s a bold claim with very little room for evasion.

Not to mention Tasos has also claimed they will start beta and launch within the year, and has constantly assured us until recently that there are no significant problems so far.

Not to mention the developers have claimed public beta will be short and will be fun and feature complete because the game has been in internal beta using professional testers etc etc .

Or that they have claimed they would not announce a launch date again until the game was ready etc etc.

Or that they could start Beta at anytime and that it would start after they signed a publishing deal which they have etc etc.

Or that we will all be able to try Darkfall for free and participate in public beta without paying etc. etc.

Or that Darkfall has apparently been feature complete for a considerable time already etc. etc.

If Darkfall does not come in 2008 or at the very least start beta then ill let you work out how that will further affect the credibility and reputation of Aventurine and Darkfall.

Especially after they have claimed very publicly in their pre-launch promotional video that it will.

 

A wall of text saying " lets see what the fans say if they dont get the game out feature complete 2008".

Yeah i agree. It will not be pretty if the game will make a halt and not be released 2008.

To this i as a fan have very little doubts though. It will be released 2008. And it will be feature complete. Developers of the game Darkfall is 100% more credible then some random boardwriter as the OP of this thread. He dont have the fainthest clue on Darkfall progress nor the timeframe. And making threads like this one is pointless. Its baiting people to discuss what isnt known. Discuss "fears" for this and that is fruitless and wont take the discussion on Darkfall any further.

Darkfall will most likely not be a flawless game. It will have problems like all other newly released MMORPG games. But im very confident it will have alot less problems compared to for example the newly released games like Age of Conan.

To what extent there will be bugs, missing features or anything else the OP can make up is to be seen. To debate on something we havent the fainthest clue on is pointless and nothing but baiting fans to participate in a useless debate on nothing.

Xris375

I agree with Pol that a beta 4 months before a release is abit risky. That said, he nor any of us have any idea what the state of the game is. Tasos says the game is feature complete and they are using professional testers to bug hunt. That leads me to belive that the open beta will be a combination of stresstesting and marketing tool. Do I know this ? No. I choose to trust the devs and I will verify what I can if I get accepted to beta. If I'm not accepted to beta, I hope there will be a free trial. If there are neither I will give this game a few months to see if any nasty post NDA crops up.

As for you Pol, when are you going to change your DF prophecy ? When the game has been online for a month or never ?

Polarization

On the contrary I think my “pointless” “fruitless” and “useless” “wall of text” “debate on nothing” has had exactly the desired effect I intended, and no that was not “baiting fans”

Because some of the most ardent supporters of this game and its developers on this site are rationally discussing the implications this games projected beta and launch date may have, and / or the content of this video.

And at the same time conceding things like this game might share some of the very same problems that every other MMO has and will, and that everything might not be perfect and that things might not be as good as the developers have promised.

And that some of the decisions the developer did and have made might not of been for the best.

And that the actual state of its development based on the latest video evidence indicates that not everything the developers have claimed will actually definitely be in for launch or that it might not be quite as good as we thought it might be.

Or that heaven forbid the possibility that Darkfall might not actually definitely be that great after all and that it might not actually be everything we hoped it would be.

And most importantly, that it is possible to objectively form a rational consensus between the “vapor troll haters” such as myself and the supporters based on substantial evidence like the recent video and facts of the current official timeline for beta and release.

And my TS Eliot quote will be changed along with an apology and admission of fault after I have played beta if I I think its appropriate, otherwise it will remain for posterity and the “ I told you so” factor.

Aragon100

Originally posted by Polarization


On the contrary I think my “pointless” “fruitless” and “useless” “wall of text” “debate on nothing” has had exactly the desired effect I intended, and no that was not “baiting fans”
Because some of the most ardent supporters of this game and its developers on this site are rationally discussing the implications this games projected beta and launch date may have, and / or the content of this video.
And at the same time conceding things like this game might share some of the very same problems that every other MMO has and will, and that everything might not be perfect and that things might not be as good as the developers have promised.
And that some of the decisions the developer did and have made might not of been for the best.
And that the actual state of its development based on the latest video evidence indicates that not everything the developers have claimed will actually definitely be in for launch or that it might not be quite as good as we thought it might be.
Or that heaven forbid the possibility that Darkfall might not actually definitely be that great after all and that it might not actually be everything we hoped it would be.
And most importantly, that it is possible to objectively form a rational consensus between the “vapor troll haters” such as myself and the supporters based on substantial evidence like the recent video and facts of the current official timeline for beta and release.
And my TS Eliot quote will be changed along with an apology and admission of fault after I have played beta if I I think its appropriate, otherwise it will remain for posterity and the “ I told you so” factor.

 

I was exactly right when i pointed out that this thread is a useless, fruitless wall of text saying nothing and wont take us any further in the discussion about the game Darkfall.

I suggest you read up on your last reply.

Theres alot of "mights" in your last reply pointing out your "fears" is something taken out of thin air. You cant back your "fears" on features missing in a teaser video.

And timeframe to release is something we have to trust the developers word on, not some random boardwriter as the OP with no insight in the game whatsoever.

Have a nice one

Xris375

Originally posted by Polarization


On the contrary I think my “pointless” “fruitless” and “useless” “wall of text” “debate on nothing” has had exactly the desired effect I intended, and no that was not “baiting fans”
Because some of the most ardent supporters of this game and its developers on this site are rationally discussing the implications this games projected beta and launch date may have, and / or the content of this video.
And at the same time conceding things like this game might share some of the very same problems that every other MMO has and will, and that everything might not be perfect and that things might not be as good as the developers have promised.
And that some of the decisions the developer did and have made might not of been for the best.
And that the actual state of its development based on the latest video evidence indicates that not everything the developers have claimed will actually definitely be in for launch or that it might not be quite as good as we thought it might be.
Or that heaven forbid the possibility that Darkfall might not actually definitely be that great after all and that it might not actually be everything we hoped it would be.
And most importantly, that it is possible to objectively form a rational consensus between the “vapor troll haters” such as myself and the supporters based on substantial evidence like the recent video and facts of the current official timeline for beta and release.
And my TS Eliot quote will be changed along with an apology and admission of fault after I have played beta if I I think its appropriate, otherwise it will remain for posterity and the “ I told you so” factor.

Yeah, the video didn't show ALL the features in the game. That doesn't mean they are not there. That is what beta and free trial is about. It's a game, and you risk only loosing, what $50 after all. I do hope you give me fair warning in changing them. It may become my new sig, you know for gloating purposes

Blodpls

The problem about criticism along the lines of I didn't see this and didn't see that is that no matter what they show in a video there always be things that people want to see. 

I know that what developers leave out of videos can be quite revealing but at the end of the day it's pure speculation.

You would be better off signing up for the beta and trying the game as really thats the only way you will get a comprehensive look at it. 

If your going criticize the game then talk about things that you have actually seen.

 

 

Polarization

Originally posted by Aragon100




 
I was exactly right when i pointed out that this thread is a useless, fruitless wall of text saying nothing and wont take us any further in the discussion about the game Darkfall.
Oh dear
And I thought I just demonstrated it was not because you yourself conceded things like:
“Darkfall will most likely not be a flawless game”
“It will have problems like all other newly released MMORPG games.”
“To what extent there will be bugs, missing features or anything else the OP can make up is to be seen”
I suggest you read up on your last reply.
Likewise.
Theres alot of "mights" in your last reply pointing out your "fears" is something taken out of thin air. You cant back your "fears" on features missing in a teaser video.
I agree there are a lot of “might’s” and “fears“, some of which have been repeated by the ardent supporters of this game in this thread itself, yourself included.
But remember, likewise you cant back up any “hopes” and “dreams” on features missing (or present) in a teaser video either, by your own standard.
And timeframe to release is something we have to trust the developers word on, not some random boardwriter as the OP with no insight in the game whatsoever.
I never asked you or expected you to trust me, I simply questioned if trusting the developers totally at this stage is justified, and again, some supporters indicated they don’t.
Hence my impression of the possibility of forming a rational consensus at least on some things.
Of course your continued insistence in attempting to  dismiss everything i have said, even though some of it is very similar or identical to what you yourself and some of the other supporters are saying certainly leads me to question if that actually is a possibility.
At least in your case.

 

Wearacup

You didn't really make much useful constructive criticism. I mean you did list some things you found wanting but didn't really offer any suggestions.

That said, it was still your most intelligent, well-balanced post to date.

But you are still a troll/vapor/hater or whatever, disclaimer aside.

grimfall

Originally posted by Polarization


On the contrary I think my “pointless” “fruitless” and “useless” “wall of text” “debate on nothing” has had exactly the desired effect I intended, and no that was not “baiting fans”
Because some of the most ardent supporters of this game and its developers on this site are rationally discussing the implications this games projected beta and launch date may have, and / or the content of this video.
And at the same time conceding things like this game might share some of the very same problems that every other MMO has and will, and that everything might not be perfect and that things might not be as good as the developers have promised.
And that some of the decisions the developer did and have made might not of been for the best.
And that the actual state of its development based on the latest video evidence indicates that not everything the developers have claimed will actually definitely be in for launch or that it might not be quite as good as we thought it might be.
Or that heaven forbid the possibility that Darkfall might not actually definitely be that great after all and that it might not actually be everything we hoped it would be.
And most importantly, that it is possible to objectively form a rational consensus between the “vapor troll haters” such as myself and the supporters based on substantial evidence like the recent video and facts of the current official timeline for beta and release.
And my TS Eliot quote will be changed along with an apology and admission of fault after I have played beta if I I think its appropriate, otherwise it will remain for posterity and the “ I told you so” factor.

 

Sentences should not start with conjunctions.  Also, you should start a new paragraph when you start a new subject.

As to all the blather, what was the point?  It was 20 minutes of gameplay footage.  'Gameplay' means people playing the game.  So you know the game is in a playable state.  Whether that is Beta - and by the variety of actions and scenery that seems like a likley conclusion, or Alpha, it is still progress from what they have released before, and to argue anything else is juvenile.

Polarization

Originally posted by Xris375


Yeah, the video didn't show ALL the features in the game. That doesn't mean they are not there. That is what beta and free trial is about. It's a game, and you risk only loosing, what $50 after all. I do hope you give me fair warning in changing them. It may become my new sig, you know for gloating purposes

 

Ironic that would come from somebody with a Failcom avatar, I mean that was also only 50$’s after all? does it really matter?, obviously it does to you, or at least it did to very many other people.

Darkfall : “It’s a game, and you risk only loosing, what $50 after all.”

Now that looks like sig material to me and is hardly a glowing endorsement and a very poor indication of your confidence in Aventurine.