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Wotlk beta and WAR.
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Ive been playing Wotlk beta now since preview weekend ended and all i got to say is, As long term WoW players like myself will be disgusted, as i was. I'll be writing a more in depth review on Wotlk on the WoW forums when i get more time but for now here's some logic.
IF you got anything to say to flame me , or if you disagree then your better off writing Blizzard development because these are facts...not just opinions.
1.) Stormwind harbor, yeah its cool but um should have been added years ago to cut travel times.
2.) The new class dk plays well but i was truly disgusted to start right in front of the lich king...and hes suppose to be the baddest ass in the game to date...but even his character model looks like a grease drinking retard. There's even quests that make him look pretty weak.
3.) For the most part, Northrend is the same thing as BC with grindfests, timesinks etc. It's just new scenery with for the most part boring boring gameplay.
4.) They upped all cooldowns...this means your going to see talents to lower cooldowns...Why this is a problem?. Because enhance shamans have been crying to be fixed for years instead of constant nerfbats..So what does blizzard do?. They higher Stormstrike Cd and give you a talent that ends up making it 2 sec's lower....fire ele and earth ele are now on 20 min cd's.. Completely pointless development that makes you feel like your finally not being nerfed when in fact you really are. But dont get me wrong i have 5 70's..and feel the same way about every single one of those classes.
5.) When i found out AQ war effort was back i rolled my eyes, Not only is this pointless but its absolutely retarded to the point of chest beating...Everyones gonna be 80 or trying to get to 80...AQ is of no meaning anymore. GG Blizz
6.) It feels like a single player game when your not answering someone in general chat...Doesn' feel like anything is going on except for the quests your doing which are the same damn things over and over. It also takes about 2x the amount of time to actually level. Really really lame gameplay. Blizz development is doing nothing to make WoW more enjoyable or fun...
7.) Sooooo many more logical things that should have been added years ago. I'll get to them when i have more time.
Now for the good part... What does this all have to do with WAR?. As you can see for yourself's from poor quality blizzard development that simply with WAR's features/feel and fun factor, It will make WAR a game worth spending some time on. As for WoW, if your new to it and not tired of blizzard taking a dump on you every year then of course your going to go buy WOTLK. But if your a long term WOW player like myself and your going to continue to let blizz dump on you then you really belong in the handicapped section of MMO's.
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How is the new PvP zone with destructable buildings and siege weapons? I think that area will have the most impact on people's decision to leave WoW for WAR, and/or the open world pvp that is promised in WoTLK.
Cheers!
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Heh only need to say 1 thing about that. Mythic does RVR way better
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I play a shaman in WOTLK and have been playing this same character since launch, it is my only max level character I have ever had at 60 and at 70. So why am I saying this? Because this guy is pretty much mumbling.
As for point #1 I am Horde so I do not know.
#2: I thought the DK starting zone was awesome, the quests where cool and it kept me entertained. A bit confusing but if you read the quests you'll have no issues. As for Arthas getting pwned at the end of the DK event, what was he suppose to take over Tyr's hand and win? It was made so all the frsh DKs had something cool to be a part of. I thought the DK quests where well done. DKs are a bit powerful right now but it's nothing other classes wont be able to counter, on my Shaman I have no problem as elemental and my ele gear is green
#3: Same can be said about the first expansion, no surprise to anyone here so complaining about it is retarded. Yes not everyone played WoW as long as I did but still, it's already out there.
#4: Umm, shaman's elementals where always on a 20 minute cooldown, stormstrike fully talented is 8 seconds(was 10 and still is 10). In fact Lay on Hands is now a 20 minute cooldown, the druid res is was lowered also to my knowledge, basically to a cooldown that prevents it from being used in arenas. So I'm pretty sure Bliizard is trying to eliminate long cooldowns, all the warrior skills also got an improved cooldown and the ability scalled down to match. OP doesn't know what he is talking about.
#5: AQ war effort is only up because the test center is a fresh server, any server that has finished it will have it still finished.
#6: Quest with friends, the quests do seem a bit more single playerish but they're normally sparking events and make them a bit more interesting, in all honesty Blizzard still has the same kill 10 of this 5 of that gather 12 of these, but what game doesn't? Quests that use vehicles are a bit fun.
#7: quit trolling and give suggestions instead of whining.
Look, Warhammer and Warcraft are 2 different games. Just because they have a lot of the same features they're 2 different approaches to the MMO world. WAR has tons of BGs, RvR areas, and about anything you want to do to level. I'm sure questing will be faster in the end though. Thing is WAR will come, people will dislike it and people will like it... RvR is a totally different gameplay style then Warcraft has, and Blizzard is trying to add more PvP content and will most likely fail, but it will still have it's PvE.
Both game will be good, I just am not a battleground guy, I hate them and only hit revered with AV for the unstoppable force at 60, so I don't think I'll enjoy Warhammer for more then a few months, and with that note I've been bored with Warcraft since I hit 70.
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Same thing happened with BC so i dont expect anymore from WOTLK , same old lvl grind/gear grind with fluff added for the fanboi who think the game is complety new , sigh .
DK was poorly done lore wise i dont know where you come up with it being awesome.
, The slightest thought of it even being close to awesome is obsolete. Hero classes were suppose to come 2 years ago...its way too late to expect this kind of crap lore. And yes he is suppose to be the all powerful lich king...not some chump guy with a potbelly.
Your wrong about stormstrike, they upped the cooldown . It used to be 6-7 secs with s1 set bonus. Now SS cd is 7 secs with s1 gear and the talent. Elementals were much much lower months back...around 5-10 minutes. And i know for a FACT they were lower because i used one every BG even if they were quick.
I need not give suggestions, blizzard's doors have been closed for a long long time now. These are facts bro im sorry you cant deal with it and as i even stated at the end of my post...if your going to let them keep dumping on you...stay in your handicapped section of MMO's.
Questing with friends etc is just obsolete playing casually, as long as it is to level now your just nerfing your exp if you actually want to level.
Maybe your right about the AQ war effort, in either case its old and if they start new servers with it everytime then man they got some problems.
I got a 70 mage, 70 priest, 70 shaman, 70 hunter, 70 warlock , 70 druid...With raid experience on every single class i have. To say the least WOW is old and most of this crap should have came years ago. I feel the same way about diablo 3 too. If im mumbling ...then you sir yourself are doing the exact same thing.
Some of the things in your OP seemed to be positive, i.e. This got fixed for a certain class, but you turn it into a negative by saying it should have been done long ago.
Do the words 'better late than never' not stand up anymore?
If they are going to add new stuff then let it be new idea's. Not stuff that was talked about years ago and now all of a sudden years later happening.
Really i never meant these facts to be positive or negative, i cannot help this is the crap they put in front of me to play and yeah it should have happened a long long time ago. There is ton's more stuff that i have written down that im saving for a more in depth look. If it was just 1 or 2 things i wouldn't care...but i just cant believe the audacity of this so called blizzard company
So you're telling me, even though I have played enhancement the full length of the burning crusade, I am wrong? Stormstrike is a 10 second cooldown and always was. In beta it was 6 seconds, that got changed. You're wrong face it.
Elementals never where 5 to 10 minutes, they always where 20, go try to tell any shaman that you'll be laughed off the forums.
Questing in groups is fun, sorry you're a solo player.
The DK wasn't introduced the best I wont lie, but the questing from 55 to 58 wasn't boring and I was entertained the whole time, it's cool though you're already dead set on hating the expansion.
I don't care how many 70's you have you don't know shit about shaman even though you have one.
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I'm still trying to figure out why it was posted in the War forums. The post seems to mainly deal with is unhappiness for WOTLK. With a little War talk sprinkled in for good measure. 80% WoW talks 20% War talk. Shouldn't that go in WoW forum?
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Going to mark the OP as a troll because he is trying to validate his opinion with massive numbers of 70s and raiding experience.
5 70s in his first post... then he later lists off 6 70s when he claims to have extensive raiding experience on each of them. If you are going to make things up, do it right please.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
OP was probably just hoping everyone would jump on the WoW bashing train, when sadly he has a better chance on the actual WoW general forums here.
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So you're telling me, even though I have played enhancement the full length of the burning crusade, I am wrong? Stormstrike is a 10 second cooldown and always was. In beta it was 6 seconds, that got changed. You're wrong face it.
Elementals never where 5 to 10 minutes, they always where 20, go try to tell any shaman that you'll be laughed off the forums.
Questing in groups is fun, sorry you're a solo player.
The DK wasn't introduced the best I wont lie, but the questing from 55 to 58 wasn't boring and I was entertained the whole time, it's cool though you're already dead set on hating the expansion.
I don't care how many 70's you have you don't know shit about shaman even though you have one.
LoL thats funny because i did not really pay attention to the cd's until a couple of my real life friends said something to me about it. I was playing the warlock originally in beta,So i copied my shaman to the beta and sure enough they were right. I could spend alot of time arguing with you or you could simply just realize they nerfbatted the cd's all to hell. I asked some other classes about their cd's as well and they said the same thing...All cd's have been upped!.
I can't believe I originally even replied to someone so stupid, this guy is trolling.
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the 70 druid was a coop between me and a friend, I own 5 70's myself but the last one is just experience wise.. Nice reading, but maybe you should ask a question next time instead of trying to take it out of context.
This post was made here because it was a pretty simple Wotlk is trash and its going to help WAR alot lol thread. Call me a troll all ya want, im just soo sorry you cannot see how bad blizzard is screwing you all.
OP was probably just hoping everyone would jump on the WoW bashing train, when sadly he has a better chance on the actual WoW general forums here.
I dont care who hates WoW or loves it, i used to love it and now im tired of blizzards crap.
It's ok though its only helping WAR
The cooldown on elementals for shamen has been 20 minutes for at least a year. You are flat out wrong which makes me question the rest of your post.
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LoL so the rest of my post must be wrong just because you claim im wrong about 1 thing. go ahead and try to prove me wrong about something else then chief.
LoL so the rest of my post must be wrong just because you claim im wrong about 1 thing. go ahead and try to prove me wrong about something else then chief.
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shut up you're stupid
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LoL so the rest of my post must be wrong just because you claim im wrong about 1 thing. go ahead and try to prove me wrong about something else then chief.
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shut up you're stupid
Ill say it again, Stormstrike was 7 secs before beta talents with s1, Now all of a sudden in beta with beta talents and s1 gear it is 7 secs. Hmm yeah real stupid isnt it?. Or how about just as stupid as ghost wolf talents LoL.
Lets just say this, WOW is a great game, WAR is even better in my opinion. I got burned out on WOW, I played a lot, loved it. I played preview weekend for WAR and i enjoyed it more than any mmo i ever played in the first 10 hours. WAR can be a "WOW killer", all they have to do is drop a tier 5 expansion within a short time of release, and that could possibly be the nail in the coffin. The thing about War is the way they built the game was just genius. checkout the explanation video of Warhammer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me2amra2o7M&mode=related&search=
If you can say WOWs basis has a better foundation than that video break down, then you are in serious denial or a fanboy (lol). Warhammer just has too much more to offer. saying WARhammer can get old is like saying chess will get old, chess has withstood centuries of time. I just don't see WOW keeping up once mYthic starts throwing out crazy expansion pack of higher tier content.
how is that before beta talents? That is stormstrike on live right now, there has been no patch 3.0 yet.
Jesus Christ who let this moron on the Internet?
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the 70 druid was a coop between me and a friend, I own 5 70's myself but the last one is just experience wise.. Nice reading, but maybe you should ask a question next time instead of trying to take it out of context.
This post was made here because it was a pretty simple Wotlk is trash and its going to help WAR alot lol thread. Call me a troll all ya want, im just soo sorry you cannot see how bad blizzard is screwing you all.
nice try at the recovery but you're doing what so many people have done before you. whenever people talk about something being overpowered... they suddenly have 20 max levels, have been around for 10 years and pretty much invented the game. its not just WoW, its every game, and its pretty obvious when someone is making it up because they tend to make lots of mistakes, just as other posters have pointed out.
Its even better when you say blizzard is screwing everyone else over, but you apparently have more time spent in game than anyone else around, which is why you know more.
I don't play WoW anymore, I only had 2 70s and a 69, with almost all my raiding pre-BC. I have WAR CE on preorder, got it the day they became available, and have been following the game for 2 years now. most of us WAR fans here are just bored of all the pointless WoW bashing.
go bash WoW on the WoW boards, we could honestly care less.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Op is an idiot and dosent know what hes talking about. His "review" is heavily biased. the WAR fanbase must be getting very desperate if they are stooping to blatent lies and attacks on another UNFINISHED game. Funny how no one plays the "its in beta" card while talking about LK's bugs/flaws.
WAR is an awesome game and i wil definately be playing it. And you dont need to spread lies about another game to make WAR look good. Shoo! troll Shoo!
Well, I must agree with the OP in the fact that the DK is LAME...
First of all, is a HERO class, not everyone should be able to play it.
2nd: it will ruin the game because people from PVE server will have a free transfer to PVP servers. WOOT.
3rd: The class is going to be Rogues 2.0, this mean everyone is going to play a death knight people from PVE switching to PVP servers, people who is just tired of their class, kids, etc. this just make the class cheap as rogues were at the beginning of the game.
Been playing WoW for 3+ years, not since release tho and I'm bored of it, not going to lie to you it is a GOOD game, they have by FAR the BEST PVE there can exist I mean Raiding in WoW is so much fun, is actually more than TANK, DPS, and HEAL, but sadly they lack in PVP, I mean their BG's get too old too quick, the game have almost 4 years and it only have 4 different BG's LAME, NO WORLD PVP, come on to have a successful PVP game you need to fight for some propose other than GEAR, you need to make players feel they achieve something (Wich WAR offers), and I never liked the Arenas, simply because I don't like small group fights.
Bottom line, the WoW community was what it kill the game for me (and for many others IMO), I hated when you could not choose your talents the way you want, you had to choose between PVP or PVE or sucking at both, I remember when I first make my rogue I was so Happy leveling as a SUB ROGUE and when I hit level 60 I crashed with a Wall, when they told me I would suck at PVE as a SUB ROGUE and that I had to change to a COMBAT ROGUE and the WORST thing of this is that Blizzard is supporting this, just look at the new talents. I hope in WAR you can be any build you want and that all build are good in PVE as in PVP and that both will be requiered in PVP and PVE groups.
BTW how can Artahs be training Death Knights and at a Dungeon at the same time ?, I mean I honestly hope to see Arthas in a Raid dungeon or something, you won't be able to fight him ? Q_Q
The OP is the WAR V WotLK analysis that I have been looking for, everywhere. It isn't a troll, and its good that such a thing was posted here in the WAR forums, because that gives us all a comparison. Bring up WAR in the WoW forum and they will tell you to bring it here.
Not only that, but now it hardly freaking matters. This is a case where later is nearly the same as never.
Yet another "lorelol", and much worse than in BC. At least with the Draenei, it was a subplot that didn't matter in the games. Either you are part of the horde/alliance, or you are not. Meeting up with Arthas right off the bat, and doing quests for him, immediately diminishes the character and is entirely out of whack with everything known/related to the Arthas story.
All of the story revisions and compromises alone are enough to make me look at WAR. With WAR its a much simpler story, harder to fudge up- we will see how they handle their own expansions.
This is another negative change that can destroy the game all on its own. The first problem with this is that it changes the game play people have been used to for several years for no good reason at all, while it cheats the players out of real new abilities and talents.
WAR is going to freaking glitter like gold when people realize what Blizzard did- WAR was already gleaming with a much more advanced and layered "talent" system.
WTF? Let me guess, they didn't fix the inherit problems with it?
WoW felt like that like 2 months after the (first) expansion pack, and I think it is because the game simply isn't designed for a wide spread of levels or expansion packs. As far as I could tell they had no idea how to compress the population, or at least keep it from doing an alarming backwards bellcurve.
WAR wins again on this front.
All in all, I don't understand why people would actually go spend 40 or 50 bucks on WotLK now that WAR is soon to be on the table. I'm serious, I just don't get it. WAR seems to have attacked all the faults in WoW as listed above, and with a vengeance, while WotLK is the same as BC except with a boring template.
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