The above poster about EVE was correct . PVP = the future , no matter how you spin it . Pve is still AI and AI is still superior dumb in mmo-land . You only can have raiding, story and quests and maybe some future ideas but mass companies don't wanna do that so all you see is bland raiding and bland kill x quests which aren't quest but jokes created by lazy developers.
PVP is a whole lot more like FFA, RVR and in those things it is factional warface, town wars, guild vs guild open world pvp, sea combat ( naval combat) sieges etc. etc.
And then you got the non -combat content like crafting, economy and social classes NAME IT! Which are mostly found in sandbox games while pve content like raiding and quests are more found in linear games. Having all 3 would create awesomeness , so that's what developers need to aim for.
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
Lol , please check your facts straight instead of just babling something. EVE has 250 k subscribers and has more subscribers then LOTRO and makes more money then let's say AOC. making AI like you said will take some years , perhaps over 10 years we can discuss this again.
Ten years ago, we had the same AI like now. Nothing has improved except in maybe a few mmo's like the upcoming chronicles of spellborn and DFO is saying they have a good AI. WAR has your typicial dumb mob that waits to be killed.
You probably played EVE as a solo'er? Sorry but try to play in a CORP and get some reasonable arguments before saying a game sucks. It is not for everyone but saying it is a piece of shit or a crappy game just points out that your trolling and a guy who cannot put some valid arguments.
Guildwars has a good class system that has pvp and pve skills. It has classes and levels. WAR also isn't as gear dependent and isn't really a gear dependent game like WOW .
Stop trolling and play the game you wanna play and especially leave the WAR forums because you seem to not like this game by the sound of it.
----------------------------------------------------------- the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
Because if not i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat. People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
elondor, i don't think you have really payed attention to the MMORPG genre over the past 4 years if you really believe this. WoW has gone from a PvE game with PvP tacked on to at least 50% PvP and probably more. AOC failed to keep a player population largely because of the lack of PvP systems at release. PvP used to be a niche but now it almost a requirement to a good game release.
I think elenor hasn't played any mmo or only played WOW so perhaps he doesn't know any better.
Guild wars,DAOC, UO , EVE, and the list goes on are good examples of mmo's that can have successful pvp. I would disagree about WOW because WOW cannot be balanced around pvp since it is a completely gear based game and it is not a core part of world of warcraft. WOW= a pve game and it stays that way , even if WOTLK releases, it is a pve game and it stays that way. It would need massive overhauls in classes, world and game play in order to go to pvp or atleast make pvp meaningful.
----------------------------------------------------------- the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
Because if not i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat. People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Use your imagination mate. Housing with flowers? Come on , you just have to use your brains and some imagination.
WAR setting for houses. Can build player camps where you can sleep and get bonuses. In your tent you can put heads of orcs or humans or some of your loot. The camp can be destroyed by example and the attackers maybe can get some loot of what you collected.
I agree with the dancing but not with the housing. A mmorpg is a role playing game mind you and not a killing fest diablo game. If i want to just kill monsters annd players , i can play a FPS or diablo hack and slash game. Housing is also building keeps and maybe they can siege it? There are countless things you can think of.
It doesn't have to be the LOTRO housing . I used to love SWG housing, reminds me of the good old days
----------------------------------------------------------- the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
Because if not i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat. People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Little harsh, but well said and true. Why hang out in some virtual house with some guy [posing as your in-game gf] you've never met when you can be doing the same thing in real life, with a real gf/bf.
Because if not i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat. People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Little harsh, but well said and true. Why hang out in some virtual house with some guy [posing as your in-game gf] you've never met when you can be doing the same thing in real life, with a real gf/bf.
Why not remove pvp since we can also sign up for the military. Good idea, also remove economy because we can also do some economics in real life and....
----------------------------------------------------------- the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
The above poster about EVE was correct . PVP = the future , no matter how you spin it . Pve is still AI and AI is still superior dumb in mmo-land . You only can have raiding, story and quests and maybe some future ideas but mass companies don't wanna do that so all you see is bland raiding and bland kill x quests which aren't quest but jokes created by lazy developers.
PVP is a whole lot more like FFA, RVR and in those things it is factional warface, town wars, guild vs guild open world pvp, sea combat ( naval combat) sieges etc. etc.
And then you got the non -combat content like crafting, economy and social classes NAME IT! Which are mostly found in sandbox games while pve content like raiding and quests are more found in linear games. Having all 3 would create awesomeness , so that's what developers need to aim for.
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
What a ridiculous load of crap! Yeah because obviously people dont like interacting with and fighting against each other do they! You are a member of the human race right? The most violent, blood thirsty and competitive race on the planet?
PvP will never work? You sir are one of many close-minded individuals who cannot think beyond what they have seen. Try thinking out of the box sometime.....ya never know you might actually find it refreshing. Yes many mmos that have tried to implement PvP have not done it well, usually because they are all level based pieces of crap that dont require skill to play. That doesnt mean that PvP will never work. What an utterly retarded statement to make!
So please tell me more about this small percentage of the playerbase that I have apparently been lumped into. I'm really interested in seeing the facts and figures about this. Could you also point me to where you get all this messed up information from? Please enlighten me.
I think the complete opposite of you. PvP is the natural way for online gaming to go because being able to interact with your fellow player in a realistic manner is the natural way for things to evolve. Dont worry though because games companies will still release single-player style themepark mmos for the small percentage of carebear players like yourself. Meanwhile everyone else will be playing some challenging and realistic games
I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
Because if not i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat. People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Use your imagination mate. Housing with flowers? Come on , you just have to use your brains and some imagination.
WAR setting for houses. Can build player camps where you can sleep and get bonuses. In your tent you can put heads of orcs or humans or some of your loot. The camp can be destroyed by example and the attackers maybe can get some loot of what you collected.
I agree with the dancing but not with the housing. A mmorpg is a role playing game mind you and not a killing fest diablo game. If i want to just kill monsters annd players , i can play a FPS or diablo hack and slash game. Housing is also building keeps and maybe they can siege it? There are countless things you can think of.
It doesn't have to be the LOTRO housing . I used to love SWG housing, reminds me of the good old days
I was kind of over-exagerating to make a point......and that was that WAR really isnt the kind of game to have player houses. Come on its not that kind of game is it. It just doesnt have the depth for it. Everything in the game is about killing things! I'm not saying thats a bad thing of course as its what the game is all about but the general idea is that no player is ever resting and taking it easy. Its constant never ending bloody WAR.....especially as the war is being fought by armies of immortal people that never die!
But sure player housing can be good in a game geared towards roleplaying but I just dont think WAR is that game. This isnt gay old Everquest 2 where you hang your dainty little trophies on your wall and why would anyone want to bother anyway.......every moment you stand in your pointless little hut admiring some generic graphic of a dwarf head on your wall is a moment where you arent on the front lines giving the enemy some grief.
I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
The fireball of harsh words shall be sent crashing down on the heads of all carebears!!!
But aye that sounds like a fair challenge! If I see a pink house on the battlefield then you can guarantee I'll be knocking on your door with a great big axe!
.....well.....thats assuming the other hundred or so blood thirsty maniacs havent burnt it to the ground already.
By the way why do you keep saying "just messing" after you go on the attack? Grow some balls god damn it and give us some shit! Dont spoil your attack by apologising afterwards! Plunge your blade into the gut of your enemy and then twist it for good measure! We shall have no pulling of blows here sir!
The above poster about EVE was correct . PVP = the future , no matter how you spin it . Pve is still AI and AI is still superior dumb in mmo-land . You only can have raiding, story and quests and maybe some future ideas but mass companies don't wanna do that so all you see is bland raiding and bland kill x quests which aren't quest but jokes created by lazy developers.
PVP is a whole lot more like FFA, RVR and in those things it is factional warface, town wars, guild vs guild open world pvp, sea combat ( naval combat) sieges etc. etc.
And then you got the non -combat content like crafting, economy and social classes NAME IT! Which are mostly found in sandbox games while pve content like raiding and quests are more found in linear games. Having all 3 would create awesomeness , so that's what developers need to aim for.
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
Lol , please check your facts straight instead of just babling something. EVE has 250 k subscribers and has more subscribers then LOTRO and makes more money then let's say AOC. making AI like you said will take some years , perhaps over 10 years we can discuss this again.
Ten years ago, we had the same AI like now. Nothing has improved except in maybe a few mmo's like the upcoming chronicles of spellborn and DFO is saying they have a good AI. WAR has your typicial dumb mob that waits to be killed.
You probably played EVE as a solo'er? Sorry but try to play in a CORP and get some reasonable arguments before saying a game sucks. It is not for everyone but saying it is a piece of shit or a crappy game just points out that your trolling and a guy who cannot put some valid arguments.
Guildwars has a good class system that has pvp and pve skills. It has classes and levels. WAR also isn't as gear dependent and isn't really a gear dependent game like WOW .
Stop trolling and play the game you wanna play and especially leave the WAR forums because you seem to not like this game by the sound of it.
LOL. where are you getting your facts, lotro probably has 10x the amount of players eve does logged in at once, not counting who is actually paying.
age of conan, regardless of how much of a failure it is, has more subscribers than eve.
i would bet ANYTHING, that VANGUARD, has more subscribers than eve.
and i don't know how many raid guilds you have been in, in a game like wow, where you have to fight other players to get to dungeons or fight over them, that the entire raid is like god damnit, i wish we didn't have to fight to get in here, it's such a waste of time.
when UO split into trammel and felluca, only about 5% of the population left, and those were the PVP guilds who only cared about ganking people. people who were pissed that they couldn't prey on unprepared players, when they made a pvp only shard, they were like.. even playing fields, you mean i have to fight people who are ready to fight me back?!
DAOC has a horrible population not because it's pvp content, they have always been pvp oriented. DAOC has a horrible population because it's PVE content is redonkulous.
i'll say it again, and you can tell me again that im smoking or i'm just wrong, but pvp mmo's are not the wave of the future, they are not the next best thing, and they will NEVER replace PVE based MMO's.
FPS games are where PVP shines, and it will always be that way.
you can create a game where there are no NPCS, you could make it to where the only people playing are the real players who buy the game, and they have to take over dungeons, and make their own bosses who sit there, and it could be a full blown pvp fest, and it would still have a shit subscriber base. darkfall and mortal online will prove my point.
First of all people dance during war, stop with this silly sh!t, second, this game doesn't have dances because everyone is all serious and stuff. Third, if you can't play the game because it doesn't have an emote......... can i get your key code?
housing...? You don't have time to play house when you're beating the living shit out of a 2 foot tall goblin.
Dancing and housing... seriously, I don't see either fitting this type of game. Guild halls being the closest I could see to this, but actual individual houses, no. You are a soldier in this game. Soldiers don't have homes other then the battlefield... as homosexual as that sounds.
I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
The fireball of harsh words shall be sent crashing down on the heads of all carebears!!!
But aye that sounds like a fair challenge! If I see a pink house on the battlefield then you can guarantee I'll be knocking on your door with a great big axe!
.....well.....thats assuming the other hundred or so blood thirsty maniacs havent burnt it to the ground already.
By the way why do you keep saying "just messing" after you go on the attack? Grow some balls god damn it and give us some shit! Dont spoil your attack by apologising afterwards! Plunge your blade into the gut of your enemy and then twist it for good measure! We shall have no pulling of blows here sir!
haha thanks for the laugh...btw I don't have an axe =/ I'm stuck with this shitty dagger...but it's alright I got strings of purple silly string coming out to own and blind my enemies.
The above poster about EVE was correct . PVP = the future , no matter how you spin it . Pve is still AI and AI is still superior dumb in mmo-land . You only can have raiding, story and quests and maybe some future ideas but mass companies don't wanna do that so all you see is bland raiding and bland kill x quests which aren't quest but jokes created by lazy developers.
PVP is a whole lot more like FFA, RVR and in those things it is factional warface, town wars, guild vs guild open world pvp, sea combat ( naval combat) sieges etc. etc.
And then you got the non -combat content like crafting, economy and social classes NAME IT! Which are mostly found in sandbox games while pve content like raiding and quests are more found in linear games. Having all 3 would create awesomeness , so that's what developers need to aim for.
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
Lol , please check your facts straight instead of just babling something. EVE has 250 k subscribers and has more subscribers then LOTRO and makes more money then let's say AOC. making AI like you said will take some years , perhaps over 10 years we can discuss this again.
Ten years ago, we had the same AI like now. Nothing has improved except in maybe a few mmo's like the upcoming chronicles of spellborn and DFO is saying they have a good AI. WAR has your typicial dumb mob that waits to be killed.
You probably played EVE as a solo'er? Sorry but try to play in a CORP and get some reasonable arguments before saying a game sucks. It is not for everyone but saying it is a piece of shit or a crappy game just points out that your trolling and a guy who cannot put some valid arguments.
Guildwars has a good class system that has pvp and pve skills. It has classes and levels. WAR also isn't as gear dependent and isn't really a gear dependent game like WOW .
Stop trolling and play the game you wanna play and especially leave the WAR forums because you seem to not like this game by the sound of it.
LOL. where are you getting your facts, lotro probably has 10x the amount of players eve does logged in at once, not counting who is actually paying.
age of conan, regardless of how much of a failure it is, has more subscribers than eve.
i would bet ANYTHING, that VANGUARD, has more subscribers than eve.
and i don't know how many raid guilds you have been in, in a game like wow, where you have to fight other players to get to dungeons or fight over them, that the entire raid is like god damnit, i wish we didn't have to fight to get in here, it's such a waste of time.
when UO split into trammel and felluca, only about 5% of the population left, and those were the PVP guilds who only cared about ganking people. people who were pissed that they couldn't prey on unprepared players, when they made a pvp only shard, they were like.. even playing fields, you mean i have to fight people who are ready to fight me back?!
DAOC has a horrible population not because it's pvp content, they have always been pvp oriented. DAOC has a horrible population because it's PVE content is redonkulous.
i'll say it again, and you can tell me again that im smoking or i'm just wrong, but pvp mmo's are not the wave of the future, they are not the next best thing, and they will NEVER replace PVE based MMO's.
FPS games are where PVP shines, and it will always be that way.
you can create a game where there are no NPCS, you could make it to where the only people playing are the real players who buy the game, and they have to take over dungeons, and make their own bosses who sit there, and it could be a full blown pvp fest, and it would still have a shit subscriber base. darkfall and mortal online will prove my point.
I highlighted a word in bright pink in your post which brings all of your ramblings crashing down.
Again though you really just cant see it can you. You genuinely just dont get it. Apart from EVE all of those games are designed around a single player concept. They were not built for players to fight against each other. They are all just single player games that everyone can play co-operatively. The PvP aspect was just added on afterwards and is simply there for a bit of amusement. Thats why players generally are not impressed with the PvP offered in the current crop of mmos.......its because the PvP in those games is shit.....so why are you using them as examples? The reason why is simply because THERE ARE NO DECENT PVP MMOS apart from EVE which pulls it off very well.
The reason why EVE is not as popular as some games is because:
1. It is about spaceships and many people cant relate to that aspect (I personally love it). Many people like to have a dinky little man they can see running around because that is what they are used to. Basicly EVE is original and unfortunately a large mass of our worlds population are simply not original. Congratulations on being a part of that mass!
2. It is more complicated than your average mmo and therefore harder to get instant gratification from
3. It doesnt tell you what to do and as most people (such as yourself) have been brainwashed by single-player-themepark mmos that tell us cute little stories like we are still 5 year olds then they lack the initiative and drive to put any effort in
EVE is not less popular than other games because of its PvP so using it as an example to say that PvP is unpopular is just retarded. But then what other mmo that is based around a PvP concept (apart from Ultima Online) could you use as an example that people dont want PvP?
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.......and thats the point. There arent any decent PvP based mmos around which is why it is the next logical step for mmos to take. Come on lets face it how many more lame themepark mmos are people gonna stomach? We are already seeing huge numbers of posts from people saying things like "When are we gonna see a game that isnt like WoW?". People want something new and interesting and just simply fighting against the computer isnt gonna cut it. Whats the point of playing single player games online against the computer when we can interact with each other? We do it in real life so its only logical that the same level of realism is gonna eventually carry over into our games.
But sadly I must concede that you may ultimately be correct. Maybe people DO just want the same old themepark games to be churned out over and over again. Maybe people do just want to fight computer controlled opponents with bad AI because its easy and gives a false sense of achievement without having to face any real challenge. Maybe the world is dominated by people such as yourself who dont want games to progress and provide us with exciting and varied experiences that could only really come about through the influence of the very people we are playing with.
.......fortunately though we dont all think like you so I think the future of mmos is going to be very interesting! So get ready for some decent PvP action in the future......of course you wont be playing those games because you will be playing WOW Clone #27 - Mob Grinder.
I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
The fireball of harsh words shall be sent crashing down on the heads of all carebears!!!
But aye that sounds like a fair challenge! If I see a pink house on the battlefield then you can guarantee I'll be knocking on your door with a great big axe!
.....well.....thats assuming the other hundred or so blood thirsty maniacs havent burnt it to the ground already.
By the way why do you keep saying "just messing" after you go on the attack? Grow some balls god damn it and give us some shit! Dont spoil your attack by apologising afterwards! Plunge your blade into the gut of your enemy and then twist it for good measure! We shall have no pulling of blows here sir!
haha thanks for the laugh...btw I don't have an axe =/ I'm stuck with this shitty dagger...but it's alright I got strings of purple silly string coming out to own and blind my enemies.
A dagger and purple silly string? Hmmm.......you sound like a foe to be reckoned with. I will approach you with caution.
Expect to see some form of Guild/Player housing in WAR's future, but not at launch. (this prediction of course does not include the Guild Taverns, which are already a step towards Guild housing).
Do not look forward to seeing dance dance revolution in WAR, it won't happen. WAR doesn't need to give you a /dance command to add some humor to the game, it is already there.
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True. The gobby does a break-dance type /special
True. The gobby does a break-dance type /special
the dwarf does something with a pipe. chosen bows his back and starts to glow looking energized.
not sure all race/sexes have a /special yet. Last time my gf played her DE female DoK didnt.
Im pretty sure its a general placeholder for incoming emotes and dances
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
Lol , please check your facts straight instead of just babling something. EVE has 250 k subscribers and has more subscribers then LOTRO and makes more money then let's say AOC. making AI like you said will take some years , perhaps over 10 years we can discuss this again.
Ten years ago, we had the same AI like now. Nothing has improved except in maybe a few mmo's like the upcoming chronicles of spellborn and DFO is saying they have a good AI. WAR has your typicial dumb mob that waits to be killed.
You probably played EVE as a solo'er? Sorry but try to play in a CORP and get some reasonable arguments before saying a game sucks. It is not for everyone but saying it is a piece of shit or a crappy game just points out that your trolling and a guy who cannot put some valid arguments.
Guildwars has a good class system that has pvp and pve skills. It has classes and levels. WAR also isn't as gear dependent and isn't really a gear dependent game like WOW .
Stop trolling and play the game you wanna play and especially leave the WAR forums because you seem to not like this game by the sound of it.
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the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE
Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
I think elenor hasn't played any mmo or only played WOW so perhaps he doesn't know any better.
Guild wars,DAOC, UO , EVE, and the list goes on are good examples of mmo's that can have successful pvp. I would disagree about WOW because WOW cannot be balanced around pvp since it is a completely gear based game and it is not a core part of world of warcraft. WOW= a pve game and it stays that way , even if WOTLK releases, it is a pve game and it stays that way. It would need massive overhauls in classes, world and game play in order to go to pvp or atleast make pvp meaningful.
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the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE
Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Use your imagination mate. Housing with flowers? Come on , you just have to use your brains and some imagination.
WAR setting for houses. Can build player camps where you can sleep and get bonuses. In your tent you can put heads of orcs or humans or some of your loot. The camp can be destroyed by example and the attackers maybe can get some loot of what you collected.
I agree with the dancing but not with the housing. A mmorpg is a role playing game mind you and not a killing fest diablo game. If i want to just kill monsters annd players , i can play a FPS or diablo hack and slash game. Housing is also building keeps and maybe they can siege it? There are countless things you can think of.
It doesn't have to be the LOTRO housing . I used to love SWG housing, reminds me of the good old days
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the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE
Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Little harsh, but well said and true. Why hang out in some virtual house with some guy [posing as your in-game gf] you've never met when you can be doing the same thing in real life, with a real gf/bf.
Why would they want to encourage their players to sit in houses or dance around while their realmates are fighting the war for them..
Waiting for Fallen Earth, World of Darkness, Old Republic, FFXIV
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Little harsh, but well said and true. Why hang out in some virtual house with some guy [posing as your in-game gf] you've never met when you can be doing the same thing in real life, with a real gf/bf.
Why not remove pvp since we can also sign up for the military. Good idea, also remove economy because we can also do some economics in real life and....
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the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE
Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
What a ridiculous load of crap! Yeah because obviously people dont like interacting with and fighting against each other do they! You are a member of the human race right? The most violent, blood thirsty and competitive race on the planet?
PvP will never work? You sir are one of many close-minded individuals who cannot think beyond what they have seen. Try thinking out of the box sometime.....ya never know you might actually find it refreshing. Yes many mmos that have tried to implement PvP have not done it well, usually because they are all level based pieces of crap that dont require skill to play. That doesnt mean that PvP will never work. What an utterly retarded statement to make!
So please tell me more about this small percentage of the playerbase that I have apparently been lumped into. I'm really interested in seeing the facts and figures about this. Could you also point me to where you get all this messed up information from? Please enlighten me.
I think the complete opposite of you. PvP is the natural way for online gaming to go because being able to interact with your fellow player in a realistic manner is the natural way for things to evolve. Dont worry though because games companies will still release single-player style themepark mmos for the small percentage of carebear players like yourself. Meanwhile everyone else will be playing some challenging and realistic games
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.
So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....
A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!
I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?
Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game
Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!
So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.
Use your imagination mate. Housing with flowers? Come on , you just have to use your brains and some imagination.
WAR setting for houses. Can build player camps where you can sleep and get bonuses. In your tent you can put heads of orcs or humans or some of your loot. The camp can be destroyed by example and the attackers maybe can get some loot of what you collected.
I agree with the dancing but not with the housing. A mmorpg is a role playing game mind you and not a killing fest diablo game. If i want to just kill monsters annd players , i can play a FPS or diablo hack and slash game. Housing is also building keeps and maybe they can siege it? There are countless things you can think of.
It doesn't have to be the LOTRO housing . I used to love SWG housing, reminds me of the good old days
I was kind of over-exagerating to make a point......and that was that WAR really isnt the kind of game to have player houses. Come on its not that kind of game is it. It just doesnt have the depth for it. Everything in the game is about killing things! I'm not saying thats a bad thing of course as its what the game is all about but the general idea is that no player is ever resting and taking it easy. Its constant never ending bloody WAR.....especially as the war is being fought by armies of immortal people that never die!
But sure player housing can be good in a game geared towards roleplaying but I just dont think WAR is that game. This isnt gay old Everquest 2 where you hang your dainty little trophies on your wall and why would anyone want to bother anyway.......every moment you stand in your pointless little hut admiring some generic graphic of a dwarf head on your wall is a moment where you arent on the front lines giving the enemy some grief.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
The fireball of harsh words shall be sent crashing down on the heads of all carebears!!!
But aye that sounds like a fair challenge! If I see a pink house on the battlefield then you can guarantee I'll be knocking on your door with a great big axe!
.....well.....thats assuming the other hundred or so blood thirsty maniacs havent burnt it to the ground already.
By the way why do you keep saying "just messing" after you go on the attack? Grow some balls god damn it and give us some shit! Dont spoil your attack by apologising afterwards! Plunge your blade into the gut of your enemy and then twist it for good measure! We shall have no pulling of blows here sir!
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
Lol , please check your facts straight instead of just babling something. EVE has 250 k subscribers and has more subscribers then LOTRO and makes more money then let's say AOC. making AI like you said will take some years , perhaps over 10 years we can discuss this again.
Ten years ago, we had the same AI like now. Nothing has improved except in maybe a few mmo's like the upcoming chronicles of spellborn and DFO is saying they have a good AI. WAR has your typicial dumb mob that waits to be killed.
You probably played EVE as a solo'er? Sorry but try to play in a CORP and get some reasonable arguments before saying a game sucks. It is not for everyone but saying it is a piece of shit or a crappy game just points out that your trolling and a guy who cannot put some valid arguments.
Guildwars has a good class system that has pvp and pve skills. It has classes and levels. WAR also isn't as gear dependent and isn't really a gear dependent game like WOW .
Stop trolling and play the game you wanna play and especially leave the WAR forums because you seem to not like this game by the sound of it.
LOL. where are you getting your facts, lotro probably has 10x the amount of players eve does logged in at once, not counting who is actually paying.
age of conan, regardless of how much of a failure it is, has more subscribers than eve.
i would bet ANYTHING, that VANGUARD, has more subscribers than eve.
and i don't know how many raid guilds you have been in, in a game like wow, where you have to fight other players to get to dungeons or fight over them, that the entire raid is like god damnit, i wish we didn't have to fight to get in here, it's such a waste of time.
when UO split into trammel and felluca, only about 5% of the population left, and those were the PVP guilds who only cared about ganking people. people who were pissed that they couldn't prey on unprepared players, when they made a pvp only shard, they were like.. even playing fields, you mean i have to fight people who are ready to fight me back?!
DAOC has a horrible population not because it's pvp content, they have always been pvp oriented. DAOC has a horrible population because it's PVE content is redonkulous.
i'll say it again, and you can tell me again that im smoking or i'm just wrong, but pvp mmo's are not the wave of the future, they are not the next best thing, and they will NEVER replace PVE based MMO's.
FPS games are where PVP shines, and it will always be that way.
you can create a game where there are no NPCS, you could make it to where the only people playing are the real players who buy the game, and they have to take over dungeons, and make their own bosses who sit there, and it could be a full blown pvp fest, and it would still have a shit subscriber base. darkfall and mortal online will prove my point.
First of all people dance during war, stop with this silly sh!t, second, this game doesn't have dances because everyone is all serious and stuff. Third, if you can't play the game because it doesn't have an emote......... can i get your key code?
MMEEEEEHHHHH!!!
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dancing...? Do you know what this game is?
housing...? You don't have time to play house when you're beating the living shit out of a 2 foot tall goblin.
Dancing and housing... seriously, I don't see either fitting this type of game. Guild halls being the closest I could see to this, but actual individual houses, no. You are a soldier in this game. Soldiers don't have homes other then the battlefield... as homosexual as that sounds.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
The fireball of harsh words shall be sent crashing down on the heads of all carebears!!!
But aye that sounds like a fair challenge! If I see a pink house on the battlefield then you can guarantee I'll be knocking on your door with a great big axe!
.....well.....thats assuming the other hundred or so blood thirsty maniacs havent burnt it to the ground already.
By the way why do you keep saying "just messing" after you go on the attack? Grow some balls god damn it and give us some shit! Dont spoil your attack by apologising afterwards! Plunge your blade into the gut of your enemy and then twist it for good measure! We shall have no pulling of blows here sir!
haha thanks for the laugh...btw I don't have an axe =/ I'm stuck with this shitty dagger...but it's alright I got strings of purple silly string coming out to own and blind my enemies.
LOL.. total nerd rage thread.. I love it.
I cant wait until you guys see someone walk up to you and /special
talk about complete melt down. I wish I could be there. :P
*edit* some of you are really showing your nubness by claiming the game has no dancing
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai. better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.
PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap.
why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest. WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP. hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.
pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games. why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.
I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.
Lol , please check your facts straight instead of just babling something. EVE has 250 k subscribers and has more subscribers then LOTRO and makes more money then let's say AOC. making AI like you said will take some years , perhaps over 10 years we can discuss this again.
Ten years ago, we had the same AI like now. Nothing has improved except in maybe a few mmo's like the upcoming chronicles of spellborn and DFO is saying they have a good AI. WAR has your typicial dumb mob that waits to be killed.
You probably played EVE as a solo'er? Sorry but try to play in a CORP and get some reasonable arguments before saying a game sucks. It is not for everyone but saying it is a piece of shit or a crappy game just points out that your trolling and a guy who cannot put some valid arguments.
Guildwars has a good class system that has pvp and pve skills. It has classes and levels. WAR also isn't as gear dependent and isn't really a gear dependent game like WOW .
Stop trolling and play the game you wanna play and especially leave the WAR forums because you seem to not like this game by the sound of it.
LOL. where are you getting your facts, lotro probably has 10x the amount of players eve does logged in at once, not counting who is actually paying.
age of conan, regardless of how much of a failure it is, has more subscribers than eve.
i would bet ANYTHING, that VANGUARD, has more subscribers than eve.
and i don't know how many raid guilds you have been in, in a game like wow, where you have to fight other players to get to dungeons or fight over them, that the entire raid is like god damnit, i wish we didn't have to fight to get in here, it's such a waste of time.
when UO split into trammel and felluca, only about 5% of the population left, and those were the PVP guilds who only cared about ganking people. people who were pissed that they couldn't prey on unprepared players, when they made a pvp only shard, they were like.. even playing fields, you mean i have to fight people who are ready to fight me back?!
DAOC has a horrible population not because it's pvp content, they have always been pvp oriented. DAOC has a horrible population because it's PVE content is redonkulous.
i'll say it again, and you can tell me again that im smoking or i'm just wrong, but pvp mmo's are not the wave of the future, they are not the next best thing, and they will NEVER replace PVE based MMO's.
FPS games are where PVP shines, and it will always be that way.
you can create a game where there are no NPCS, you could make it to where the only people playing are the real players who buy the game, and they have to take over dungeons, and make their own bosses who sit there, and it could be a full blown pvp fest, and it would still have a shit subscriber base. darkfall and mortal online will prove my point.
I highlighted a word in bright pink in your post which brings all of your ramblings crashing down.
Again though you really just cant see it can you. You genuinely just dont get it. Apart from EVE all of those games are designed around a single player concept. They were not built for players to fight against each other. They are all just single player games that everyone can play co-operatively. The PvP aspect was just added on afterwards and is simply there for a bit of amusement. Thats why players generally are not impressed with the PvP offered in the current crop of mmos.......its because the PvP in those games is shit.....so why are you using them as examples? The reason why is simply because THERE ARE NO DECENT PVP MMOS apart from EVE which pulls it off very well.
The reason why EVE is not as popular as some games is because:
1. It is about spaceships and many people cant relate to that aspect (I personally love it). Many people like to have a dinky little man they can see running around because that is what they are used to. Basicly EVE is original and unfortunately a large mass of our worlds population are simply not original. Congratulations on being a part of that mass!
2. It is more complicated than your average mmo and therefore harder to get instant gratification from
3. It doesnt tell you what to do and as most people (such as yourself) have been brainwashed by single-player-themepark mmos that tell us cute little stories like we are still 5 year olds then they lack the initiative and drive to put any effort in
EVE is not less popular than other games because of its PvP so using it as an example to say that PvP is unpopular is just retarded. But then what other mmo that is based around a PvP concept (apart from Ultima Online) could you use as an example that people dont want PvP?
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.......and thats the point. There arent any decent PvP based mmos around which is why it is the next logical step for mmos to take. Come on lets face it how many more lame themepark mmos are people gonna stomach? We are already seeing huge numbers of posts from people saying things like "When are we gonna see a game that isnt like WoW?". People want something new and interesting and just simply fighting against the computer isnt gonna cut it. Whats the point of playing single player games online against the computer when we can interact with each other? We do it in real life so its only logical that the same level of realism is gonna eventually carry over into our games.
But sadly I must concede that you may ultimately be correct. Maybe people DO just want the same old themepark games to be churned out over and over again. Maybe people do just want to fight computer controlled opponents with bad AI because its easy and gives a false sense of achievement without having to face any real challenge. Maybe the world is dominated by people such as yourself who dont want games to progress and provide us with exciting and varied experiences that could only really come about through the influence of the very people we are playing with.
.......fortunately though we dont all think like you so I think the future of mmos is going to be very interesting! So get ready for some decent PvP action in the future......of course you wont be playing those games because you will be playing WOW Clone #27 - Mob Grinder.
I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.
Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!
P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!
haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.
The fireball of harsh words shall be sent crashing down on the heads of all carebears!!!
But aye that sounds like a fair challenge! If I see a pink house on the battlefield then you can guarantee I'll be knocking on your door with a great big axe!
.....well.....thats assuming the other hundred or so blood thirsty maniacs havent burnt it to the ground already.
By the way why do you keep saying "just messing" after you go on the attack? Grow some balls god damn it and give us some shit! Dont spoil your attack by apologising afterwards! Plunge your blade into the gut of your enemy and then twist it for good measure! We shall have no pulling of blows here sir!
haha thanks for the laugh...btw I don't have an axe =/ I'm stuck with this shitty dagger...but it's alright I got strings of purple silly string coming out to own and blind my enemies.
A dagger and purple silly string? Hmmm.......you sound like a foe to be reckoned with. I will approach you with caution.
Dancing is overrated spiff to keep the kids busy.
Housing however, has a much greater purpose.
Expect to see some form of Guild/Player housing in WAR's future, but not at launch. (this prediction of course does not include the Guild Taverns, which are already a step towards Guild housing).
Do not look forward to seeing dance dance revolution in WAR, it won't happen. WAR doesn't need to give you a /dance command to add some humor to the game, it is already there.
STOP WHINING!