I just have to comment,lol not because i'm a WAR fan but because i'm non biased .
The graphics are what you could expect for a massive RVR game,they are right,anything more and it would lag a ton.Good game? IMO anygame that wants players to kill each other rather than get along and co op with each other is leading the MMO p[ath in the wrong direction.That format doesn't even hold well for a strong community.Runescape updated there textures/graphics after many years and WOW has not,yet the majority continue to play WOW,so i think it shows ,players care very little about quality.
IMO the graphics mean a lot ,however i believe the majority of players out here ONLY care about mounts/gimmicks and how fast they can level or how easy they can own another player.None of witch i mentioned offers a challenge or equates to a well made project/game.It is all superficial things that gamers are clinging too.
I might add that picture above my post ,actually shows a LOT of bad graphics,it's not even funny.This shows there really is a lot of people out there that can't tell good from bad graphics.Look the pants,they look like a simple texture not like cloth or actual stitching.The buckles on the boots and the wrist guards are again a texture with no sepration.There is mainly a lot of grey texture used in the background,witch will help the lag,but doesn't add much to the looks.The guys shirt,again one texture pasted onto him,instead of an actual metal mesh on top of the cloth or vice versa.There is literally no seperation in that player mesh at all,nor is there any realistic metal/cloth looks,no use of shaders,that picture pretty much looks like a console game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
You can throw comparison models all you want. Yeah they added a few more model meshes for the Game but in the end of the day they arn't to far off from EQ graphics. Just a more detailed model mesh on the same model.
eh just ignore it , the OP is obviously on something and thats why his eyes are soo messed up , that or he is just trolling for the fun of it im sure his eye sight isnt that bad , ya the vah look good , for its time but no its nothing like war so stop trying to convince your self it is . OMG they used some method other mmo have used before , pfft so it makes them like every other game made , rehashed . Doesnt matter how they do it as long as it looks good , and it does .
Good graphics is more than mere polygons, its also design and placement. Compare the great atmoshere of the world of LOTRO despite not so much polys and the bleak VG world despite the detail. Cant say about WAR yet, I havent seen enough. It sure has no killer graphics and design, but its not as bad as EQ1 heh. I wonder too however, if the graphics can be set higher after beta. Especially the sight distance is awfully low.
I just have to comment,lol not because i'm a WAR fan but because i'm non biased . The graphics are what you could expect for a massive RVR game,they are right,anyuthing more and it would lag a ton.Good game? IMO anygame that wants players to kill each other rather than get along and co op with each other is leading the MMO p[ath in the wrong direction.That format doesn't even hold well for a strong community.Runescape updated there textures/graphics after many years and WOW has not,yet the majority continue to play WOW,so i think it shows ,players care very little about quality. IMO the graphics mean a lot ,however i believe the majority of players out here ONLY care about mounts/gimmicks and how fast they can level or how easy they can own another player.None of witch i mentioned offers a challenge or equates to a well made project/game.It is all superficial things that gamers are clinging too.
I agree the graphics are a big part for me but i could care less for Graphics so long as the game play is there.
IMO anygame that wants players to kill each other rather than get along and co op with each other is leading the MMO p[ath in the wrong direction.
What about encouraging players to work together to kill other players?
That will be very few and far between,pretty much your own guild will go into battle together.You will never have more than say 10 co op with each other even in a RvR game.There will be tons of little groups spread all over.So you have a few getting along ,that's not a whole community getting along.You play a game like FFXi ,designed around community,it's all kinds of different players from different guilds helping each other.It is just the way the game is designed,after years many people all know each other,because at some point in time they all helped each other.
I prefer that over a community that might know each other because they kill each other and hate each other.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
That will be very few and far between,pretty much your own guild will go into battle together.You will never have more than say 10 co op with each other even in a RvR game.There will be tons of little groups spread all over.So you have a few getting along ,that's not a whole community getting along.You play a game like FFXi ,designed around community,it's all kinds of different players from different guilds helping each other.It is just the way the game is designed,after years many people all know each other,because at some point in time they all helped each other. I prefer that over a community that might know each other because they kill each other and hate each other.
I found that with Open Parties there are often up to 3 Warbands (groups of 24 players) all working together towards the same goals.
RvR is all about building community and everyone working towards the same goal.
I don't know if you've actually looked into how Warhammer is supposed to work or not so either you haven't or you've already made up your mind that you don't like it.
I made this to illustrate the difference to the OP and I was going to tell you which one was EQ and which was Warhammer, then I couldn't remember and they're so alike that I just thought I'd let you guys take a guess at which is which... I sure as hell can't tell anymore, the OP was right!
You could dial an old rotary phone with that EQ dwarf's metal nipples.
Why is it so hard for games to be able to scale from a crappy system to a high end system. I upgrade my video card every 6 months to a year and while I love WoW it has always made me feel like a waste having such a high end system not being taken advantage of. While I agree gameplay is the most important I would have to say immersion is part of gameplay.
Problem I have with the graphics is they are shit and not well optimized and now if they ran amazingly then I would have forgiven them but they don't and in RVR your FPS drops like a bitch. I mean I could play Planetside with hundreds of people on the screen at once and have over 200FPS.
Problem I have with the graphics is they are shit and not well optimized and now if they ran amazingly then I would have forgiven them but they don't and in RVR your FPS drops like a bitch. I mean I could play Planetside with hundreds of people on the screen at once and have over 200FPS.
Most of the time when you have FPS problems it is due to bad coding. When I first got EQ2 it was unplayable at anything above medium settings. Many years later it isn't much better because it can't take advantage of newer hardware or multiple core CPUs.
Problem I have with the graphics is they are shit and not well optimized and now if they ran amazingly then I would have forgiven them but they don't and in RVR your FPS drops like a bitch. I mean I could play Planetside with hundreds of people on the screen at once and have over 200FPS.
I just recently did some RvR with about 50 Destruction and 50 order on screen at the same time and had no performance issues at all.
E8400 (3.8GHz). Asus P5N-D. 4GB Corsair Dominator PC-6400. 9800GX2 (750MHz). 2x Raptor 150GB (Raid 0). Vista 64.
Next time I'll grab some screenshots with my FPS visable .
Lets be serious here, the current graphics blow away original EQ, that was just a silly statement.
Personally I think they are better than vanguard or EQ2 as well. They don't quite match AOC's graphics but the art in WAR is better than in AOC so overall it isn't a big deal.
This topic has been brought up many times and it's been answered many times. The graphics in the betas have been dumbed down due to the testing phases. There is also a debugging piece of software that hogs memory so you will see some performance issues as of right now. Don't believe me that the graphics will be nice? Look at these links.
I think you are stretching the truth here a bit with the whole EQ remark the graphics imo are fine not the best but there is no way they could have made them as next gen because once you hit the RVR area's and are having a mass RVR battle then this would be Chaos, the graphics are much better than WoW but IMO not as nice as LoTRO i am personally enjoying them to be honest captures that Authentic WAR feeling for me especially the Greenskins. Plus you need to realise that this game is direct Competition for WoW so you need to cater for the masses like WoW and you are not gonna do this with super graphics.
lol, there are newer games coming out that have better graphics quality. Aion for example, however it's a whole different style. Everquest does beat out warhammers and so does world of warcraft. The graphics on warhammer just look choppy around the character outlines....
Originally posted by xfrozenx Originally posted by charlizd I think you are stretching the truth here a bit with the whole EQ remark the graphics imo are fine not the best but there is no way they could have made them as next gen because once you hit the RVR area's and are having a mass RVR battle then this would be Chaos, the graphics are much better than WoW but IMO not as nice as LoTRO i am personally enjoying them to be honest captures that Authentic WAR feeling for me especially the Greenskins. Plus you need to realise that this game is direct Competition for WoW so you need to cater for the masses like WoW and you are not gonna do this with super graphics.
lol, there are newer games coming out that have better graphics quality. Aion for example, however it's a whole different style. Everquest does beat out warhammers and so does world of warcraft. The graphics on warhammer just look choppy around the character outlines....
I really hope the graphics improve come retail.
if you honestly think that original EQ graphics are better than warhammers then no they will never be good enough for you. I think you are maybe the .01% of the population that can look at screenshots of the two games and say EQ is better though. Same with WoW, there is no way that WoW has better graphics.
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I just have to comment,lol not because i'm a WAR fan but because i'm non biased
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The graphics are what you could expect for a massive RVR game,they are right,anything more and it would lag a ton.Good game? IMO anygame that wants players to kill each other rather than get along and co op with each other is leading the MMO p[ath in the wrong direction.That format doesn't even hold well for a strong community.Runescape updated there textures/graphics after many years and WOW has not,yet the majority continue to play WOW,so i think it shows ,players care very little about quality.
IMO the graphics mean a lot ,however i believe the majority of players out here ONLY care about mounts/gimmicks and how fast they can level or how easy they can own another player.None of witch i mentioned offers a challenge or equates to a well made project/game.It is all superficial things that gamers are clinging too.
I might add that picture above my post ,actually shows a LOT of bad graphics,it's not even funny.This shows there really is a lot of people out there that can't tell good from bad graphics.Look the pants,they look like a simple texture not like cloth or actual stitching.The buckles on the boots and the wrist guards are again a texture with no sepration.There is mainly a lot of grey texture used in the background,witch will help the lag,but doesn't add much to the looks.The guys shirt,again one texture pasted onto him,instead of an actual metal mesh on top of the cloth or vice versa.There is literally no seperation in that player mesh at all,nor is there any realistic metal/cloth looks,no use of shaders,that picture pretty much looks like a console game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
What about encouraging players to work together to kill other players?
You can throw comparison models all you want. Yeah they added a few more model meshes for the Game but in the end of the day they arn't to far off from EQ graphics. Just a more detailed model mesh on the same model.
eh just ignore it , the OP is obviously on something and thats why his eyes are soo messed up , that or he is just trolling for the fun of it im sure his eye sight isnt that bad , ya the vah look good , for its time but no its nothing like war so stop trying to convince your self it is . OMG they used some method other mmo have used before , pfft so it makes them like every other game made , rehashed . Doesnt matter how they do it as long as it looks good , and it does .
Good graphics is more than mere polygons, its also design and placement. Compare the great atmoshere of the world of LOTRO despite not so much polys and the bleak VG world despite the detail. Cant say about WAR yet, I havent seen enough. It sure has no killer graphics and design, but its not as bad as EQ1 heh. I wonder too however, if the graphics can be set higher after beta. Especially the sight distance is awfully low.
I agree the graphics are a big part for me but i could care less for Graphics so long as the game play is there.
What about encouraging players to work together to kill other players?
That will be very few and far between,pretty much your own guild will go into battle together.You will never have more than say 10 co op with each other even in a RvR game.There will be tons of little groups spread all over.So you have a few getting along ,that's not a whole community getting along.You play a game like FFXi ,designed around community,it's all kinds of different players from different guilds helping each other.It is just the way the game is designed,after years many people all know each other,because at some point in time they all helped each other.
I prefer that over a community that might know each other because they kill each other and hate each other.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well, here are a few shots.
WAR (Max, forced AA & AF). LotRO (Max, DX10). AoC (Max). and finally VG (Max, forced AA).
I do think the argument is rather moronic though. They all look great in their own ways.
Maybe the OP needs to get one of these?
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I found that with Open Parties there are often up to 3 Warbands (groups of 24 players) all working together towards the same goals.
RvR is all about building community and everyone working towards the same goal.
I don't know if you've actually looked into how Warhammer is supposed to work or not so either you haven't or you've already made up your mind that you don't like it.
If graphics would be an isue WoW would already be dead for years. This is not an issue at all.
Well said. If people want high end graphics, go play AoC, because obviously graphics are VERY important and are leading AoC to unheard of successes.
You could dial an old rotary phone with that EQ dwarf's metal nipples.
Brutal.
Why is it so hard for games to be able to scale from a crappy system to a high end system. I upgrade my video card every 6 months to a year and while I love WoW it has always made me feel like a waste having such a high end system not being taken advantage of. While I agree gameplay is the most important I would have to say immersion is part of gameplay.
Keith
I figure if u cant expect good graphics and gameplay in a MMO these days then i say it is pretty sad,
With the technology that is available today to not make a MMO with both it is nothing but short of a travesty.
Im talking using technology from about 4 years ago when the 7900GT cards where high end,
If u cant make a MMO that supports both then you grossly trying to rip off the customer.
But hey this is bug business what i expect from most MMO's that are released.
Hopefully soon we will see both and that one may be the next WoW killer.
Smarter than the average bear? That is assuming bears are smart.
Problem I have with the graphics is they are shit and not well optimized and now if they ran amazingly then I would have forgiven them but they don't and in RVR your FPS drops like a bitch. I mean I could play Planetside with hundreds of people on the screen at once and have over 200FPS.
Didn't you uninstall the game last week?
Most of the time when you have FPS problems it is due to bad coding. When I first got EQ2 it was unplayable at anything above medium settings. Many years later it isn't much better because it can't take advantage of newer hardware or multiple core CPUs.
Keith
I have a GTX280 and I am hoping that I can max everything and not have lag in big battles. Fingers crossed.
I just recently did some RvR with about 50 Destruction and 50 order on screen at the same time and had no performance issues at all.
E8400 (3.8GHz). Asus P5N-D. 4GB Corsair Dominator PC-6400. 9800GX2 (750MHz). 2x Raptor 150GB (Raid 0). Vista 64.
Next time I'll grab some screenshots with my FPS visable
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Lets be serious here, the current graphics blow away original EQ, that was just a silly statement.
Personally I think they are better than vanguard or EQ2 as well. They don't quite match AOC's graphics but the art in WAR is better than in AOC so overall it isn't a big deal.
This topic has been brought up many times and it's been answered many times. The graphics in the betas have been dumbed down due to the testing phases. There is also a debugging piece of software that hogs memory so you will see some performance issues as of right now. Don't believe me that the graphics will be nice? Look at these links.
Enough Said... Beautiful Graphics.
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lol, there are newer games coming out that have better graphics quality. Aion for example, however it's a whole different style. Everquest does beat out warhammers and so does world of warcraft. The graphics on warhammer just look choppy around the character outlines....
I really hope the graphics improve come retail.
lol, there are newer games coming out that have better graphics quality. Aion for example, however it's a whole different style. Everquest does beat out warhammers and so does world of warcraft. The graphics on warhammer just look choppy around the character outlines....
I really hope the graphics improve come retail.
if you honestly think that original EQ graphics are better than warhammers then no they will never be good enough for you. I think you are maybe the .01% of the population that can look at screenshots of the two games and say EQ is better though. Same with WoW, there is no way that WoW has better graphics.
Looks good to me and that's all that matters. Hopefully they can fix the texture blurring issues.
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