Are PC Games doomed to die vs. Console systems ?

admriker444 · August 2004

Lately I find it quite depressing going into a Electronic Boutique or Gamestop or Best buy and looking for PC Games. It used to be when I entered those stores the very first shelves I saw were filled with new exciting PC games. Now when I enter, all I see are rows and rows of PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube. Even older systems like Nintendo 64 have more shelf space than pc games.

Will this ever change ? I had high hopes when Doom 3 was first announced that it would have a similiar effect like Doom 1-2 did. Those games made players run out and buy new systems or upgrade their current machines. Instead Doom 3 sold us out by going to Xbox too.

Im not trying to bash consoles, in fact I own several going back to Atari 2600. Still, I'd rather see a store full of games for pc. I often wonder if games like Fallout 3, Diablo 3, and others which should be made ever will ? What gives here, why are pc games not a priority anymore ?

MegaWolf · August 2004

They are a priority to me, a priority to you, and a priority to most of the people on this site... and thats all the really matters... Dont think PC games arent as poplular anymore just because stores put them somewere new.

Lhex · August 2004

I think as long as there are PC's there will be PC games.

The reason you see a ton of console games is because of the big companies who produce them inundate the retailers. And it depends on the retailer. Some have a better collection than others.

PC games allow the user to have more flexibility and control than on a console game. I would never want to play a MMO with a controller.

This is a silly worry you have, there is no need to worry or even compare the two. Consoles's hardware is locked without upgradeability. If 1000's were playing an MMO on a console for over 5 years the MMO team couldn't upgrade the gfx cause, well, the console hasn't upgraded. And if they made a sequel well you'd have to buy a new console.

On a PC I would just buy a new GFX card. Which could be the same price as a console lol.

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Farseen · August 2004

I believe that the PC will always be favoured simply due to its extreme customization. You can customize your PC in so many different ways that it can beat any console. In the long run, once a certain console is outdated, thats it. You can upgrade your PC for a long peroid of time. Sometimes over 5 years. In fact, you can upgrade it forever with the option of buying a new motherboard and such.

In general, people also enjoy choosing their own OS [operation system]. Whether it be Windows XP, 98 or Linux (which i still have to try). Consoles do come out with more games, and at a constant rate, although PC games last the longest. Half-Life serves as a perfect example. A PC game out since the 90's is still being played with extreme popularity! People also like being connected to the internet. Have a game running as well as some chat. Consoles can't have chat, unless you buy a special keyboard, and their internet can cost money sometimes. Anyway, i think PC's will forever rule.

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Divian · August 2004

I don't know what the Best Buy looks like in your area, but where I live, there is a 12 foot section for each main three console guys; PS2, Xbox, and Nintendo. But for PC, seriously, there is a section over 40 feet long with no breaks in it. It takes me 15 minutes to browse it and often times see all those obscure titles that I find in a small section in Game Informer or something. PC has a big market, and as long as there is money to be made, PC titles are not going to phase out.

aLeX666 · August 2004

They said Movie Theaters would die with the VHS...

Righty · August 2004

Ummm... I don't know where you are, but the EB games here (both of them) a whole wall is PC and used PC games. Screw consoles, every console I've had just gathers dust.

Shownder · August 2004

There may be a few reason for what you are seeing.

Have you noticed lately that when you phone EB Games that the guy will tell you his name and then go on to a "...You local Madcatz accessory store! blah blah 10% off!" or "...Your local X-Box retailer where you can trade in blah blah". Well mad catz only makes accessories for consoles and I bet that Microsoft etc... Sponcer EB Games and other stores to advertise their stuff more.

Also, notice that over the years PC game boxes have gotton smaller and fatter? Most modern PC games come in a box the size of a console game case but much fatter. This alows them to put the game on the shelves sideways instead of facing out. It saves alot of shelf space but people can still see the titles.

Console games all have to face out for easy viewing. The only time they are sideways is if they are sucky non-sellers or used copies. Notice how Wal-Mart and such have their console games in glass cases all facing out, and their PC games are on the shelves sideways?

I think its mainly the second reason than the first. It just leaves more shelf space for the harder to see console cases.

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Wolvaroo · August 2004

Thats why i prefer consols, I know the only upgrading i'll ever have to deal with is the next generation consol. And i much prefer controllers to keyboard and mouse.

ussualy this generation consols can supply the graphic power that are currently capable in games anyway.

Xzaro · August 2004

Originally posted by Wolvaroo
Thats why i prefer consols, I know the only upgrading i'll ever have to deal with is the next generation consol. And i much prefer controllers to keyboard and mouse.ussualy this generation consols can supply the graphic power that are currently capable in games anyway.

Yeah...but... CAN YOU PLAY MMORPGS ON CONSOLES? No. (exception of a few)

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forestdutch · August 2004

lol typical console answer i prefer console over pc dont have upgrade or controller over keyboard mouse.

Lol well i prefer pc over console becouse console is not even close to get grafics i want and i get on my pc and the complexitie of my pc or all you can manage and program and unpdate and all other things you simple can not do with console.

Console are mostly for masse plug and play simple push on switch and play.

pc rulez for me!!!!

BuZeR · August 2004

Well personally i think Personal Computers are the way to go, basically due to hardware customization. Even though these days you can get hardware upgrades for your "Consoles".

But i have to say what makes a console?

The ones that are being released are more like a portable computer then what i believe defines a console. They have the ability to be upgraded, like for instants for the X-Box you can upgrade their hard drives that allow you to store games, thus removing the main thing that I think makes a console what it is

So due to that fact i personally believe this topic is flawed, because sooner rather then later there wont be any "Consoles", just an alternative to the standards of a PC.

But that aside, it might also be because PC games are easily pirated or downloaded... That intern reduces the demand for legit version of the game, but on the other hand Consoles are the opposite. From my experience if you want to play pirated game on a Console, it requires a hardware modification that needs to be installed by someone who knows what their doing.

Also Consoles are all becoming online and Im willing to bet almost any MMO game thats released on PC, will be released on at least one Console. As this is almost already the case, I know for sure EQ1 and FFXI are both available on PS2, and Im sure theres more not to mention the countless FS genre games.

As always, these are one persons personal opinions. So if you disagree post a retort, dont just flame.

sybaris · August 2004

Pc games will never out do console games mostly for the reasons stated here in their defence.

That is I and many other people do not buy games for less than 30 quid only to have to pay out up to 200 more to upgrade the pc just to play it, At the end of the day a pc is not designed to be a games machine and if that is what you mostly use it for you are a fool.

Most of the consoles have as good a graphics system and are extremely playable, even when they bring a new console out after a few months it is priced reasonably and you know that you have a minimum of 4 years playability before thinking about upgradeing it, The ps2 is over 5 years old now and still going strong.

I have nothing against Pc games some are quite good but i do not work 40 hours a week to upgrade it every time someone brings a new game out and that is your problem, not many people are willing to (unless you live with your parents have no bills and can squander your money on whatever you want.............

As an example, a guy i know paid over £2500 for his custom built pc about 8 - 12 months ago ok at the time it was the dogs, however lidl (a cheapo store) is now selling better systems than his for under £500 ::::06:: would you say that is a good investment? He is now desperate for a better graphics card and other stuff but can't afford it, where as me i have a decent lappy that i use for computing and a few consoles i use for playing, they are great and i know when i play online no one has an advantage because they have an UBER console it just doesnt happen

Its about time you got real Pc's were never intended as gaming machines and the biggest market for games is the console market.......

kmimmorpg · August 2004

How do people communicate via console controller?

RJCox · August 2004

I prefer consoles for some things and my PCs for others.

Sports games, action games etc are definitely on the console with the controller.

RPGs tho are PC only, MMORPGs in particular, I'd never play one on a console. :P

psibot · August 2004

I am under the impression that the majority of console game are sports, racing, beat them up, FPS and the odd adventure or mmorpg.

Sports, racing games have not had any noteworthy advancements that appealed to me since C64 with few exceptions.

I still like playing the beat them up with friends but the gamepad annoys me after knowing something simple comfort of an low tech "Competion Pro 5000".

Playing things like FFXI can be okay if you are willing to underly the typical console menu structure.

Some exclusive titles would interest me though like "Jade Empire" or "Fable" but I eat up games far to quick for these handfull of goodies to be an substantial argument.

Console will have to offer more than currently to get my interest.

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Unknown · August 2004

Originally posted by admriker444
Lately I find it quite depressing going into a Electronic Boutique or Gamestop or Best buy and looking for PC Games. It used to be when I entered those stores the very first shelves I saw were filled with new exciting PC games. Now when I enter, all I see are rows and rows of PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube. Even older systems like Nintendo 64 have more shelf space than pc games.

It is those stores that are DOOMED. Actually you really mentioned just ONE store. Many locations are BOTH Electronics Boutique AND GameStop in the same store. Both names are on the same sign. Best Buy is not a computer game store, even though they do sell computer games. The bulk of their shelf space is not filled with computer games though. They are on the verge of going out of buisness. For many reasons:

1. Many gamers buy and order games over the internet.

2. There are many "used games" game stores. Catering only in used games.

3. Many gamers buy games from magazines.

4. Many gamers download games for free (used, and brand spanking new) and use CD Key cracks to play them.

5. There are tooo many stores selling comptuer games in the dwindling computer game store market.

6. Missmanagement. Many of their stores do not have knowlegeable staff. That helps alot in making customers want to recommend their store, come back to buy more games, etc... There are even some locations that do not allow players to play game demos, only watch them. The excuse is they don't want too much "rawdy kids" hanging out in their store. Well guess what your prime target customer base is? LOLOL! I said that to 1 cashier when I tried playing the KOTOR demo at one location.

Those stores have limited shelf space. Best Buy is not even a computer game store. They sell a montage of everything. Radios, CD Players, TV's, and tons of other non- computer games. You forgot to mention the Wiz. In NYC alone, the Wiz closed down 4 HUGE mega stores. If their flagship American stores can't do well in the biggest city in America, imagine how poorly their smaller stores are doing?

Will this ever change ?

Nope. EB/GS will go belly up sooner or later the way the Wiz is on the verge of doing. The same way HMV did in its USA locations. The way Software City did a few years ago (The best ever computer game store *sniff*). Best Buy will be around. They are not a 100% computer game store. Maybe 10% to 20% at most.

I had high hopes when Doom 3 was first announced that it would have a similiar effect like Doom 1-2 did. Those games made players run out and buy new systems or upgrade their current machines. Instead Doom 3 sold us out by going to Xbox too.

You DO know who makes X-Box, don't you? You DID watch one of the most famous episodes of the Simpsons, didn't you? The episode which blatantly spelled out what that certain company that makes X-Box really does? Doom 3 did not "sell out", they were given no choice. If some uber-rich CEO showed up at your door and said "You can make your game for the PC, sell 50 million copies and make a 100 million profit.. OR... you can sell your game to me, sell 0 copies, let me sell them for you instead, and I give you a check for 500 million." What would you do?

Im not trying to bash consoles, in fact I own several going back to Atari 2600. Still, I'd rather see a store full of games for pc. I often wonder if games like Fallout 3, Diablo 3, and others which should be made ever will ? What gives here, why are pc games not a priority anymore ?

All stores are a buisness. No store will ever go back to selling all PC games. Heck, they originally sold ONLY console games back in the very early 1980's. Before the Commodore Vic-20 (anyone here remember that thing? LOL!), Commodore 64, and IBM PC Jr came out which took computer games to the PC. The C-20, C-64, and IBM PC Jr made the PC game market. Before then everyone and their grandmother had the uber-new Atari console system. PC games came out after console games. Console technology recently caught up to PC technology in many ways - especially in graphics. Have you ever owned a buisness before?

As Jack Welch said in his book (he is the most sought after CEO in the world...even Asian companies try getting him for them.) smart buisnesses always stay on their toes. They never get lulled to sleep. They constantly watch the market, they constantly adapt BEFORE they are forced to adapt. By then it is too late. Software City was forced to adapt and it was too late. EB/GS is simply trying to adapt to the current market before it is too late.

Fallout 3 will never be made because their parent company is just about bankrupt. Diablo 3 won't be made anytime soon. Blizzard will be far too busy with their first ever MMORPG. The fact they decided to make a MMORPG itself shows they are in no hury to work on a Diablo 3.

Bottom line is - PC games will always be around and for sale. You have internet access, you will be able to buy any PC games. Did you know 1/2 to 1/3 of the world's gamers are already forced to buy PC games over the internet? Because most other countries do not get new games until many months, and sometimes years, after they first come out in either America or Japan.

On a sidenote - If you are Asian living in America, or another country, or have Asian friends, you have a nice chance of finding out about special stores in the Asian community. Their computer game stores easily put Electronics Boutique/Game Stop, and all other well known mainstream stores to complete shame. They have both PC and console games many of which are not sold in mainstream stores. In addition they have as much self space, and sometimes more shelf space. Their staff, and management, are 100% knowledgeable, and would never ever pull that stupidity I talked to the cashier at that 1 GameStop location.

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Qbic07 · August 2004

Originally posted by sybaris

Pc games will never out do console games mostly for the reasons stated here in their defence.
That is I and many other people do not buy games for less than 30 quid only to have to pay out up to 200 more to upgrade the pc just to play it, At the end of the day a pc is not designed to be a games machine and if that is what you mostly use it for you are a fool.
Most of the consoles have as good a graphics system and are extremely playable, even when they bring a new console out after a few months it is priced reasonably and you know that you have a minimum of 4 years playability before thinking about upgradeing it, The ps2 is over 5 years old now and still going strong.
I have nothing against Pc games some are quite good but i do not work 40 hours a week to upgrade it every time someone brings a new game out and that is your problem, not many people are willing to (unless you live with your parents have no bills and can squander your money on whatever you want.............
As an example, a guy i know paid over £2500 for his custom built pc about 8 - 12 months ago ok at the time it was the dogs, however lidl (a cheapo store) is now selling better systems than his for under £500 would you say that is a good investment? He is now desperate for a better graphics card and other stuff but can't afford it, where as me i have a decent lappy that i use for computing and a few consoles i use for playing, they are great and i know when i play online no one has an advantage because they have an UBER console it just doesnt happen

Its about time you got real Pc's were never intended as gaming machines and the biggest market for games is the console market.......

Hmmm buy a car today and sell it tomorrow. Think it is a good investment? I am afraid that your point of view is a bit limited. A few things you say are correct but I have had both consoles and pc and in the end the pc always beats the console. The pc I have here is three years old and I can play every new game on it without any problems. Even Doom III runs quite smoothly..... Just wait a while till they start to introduce new consoles every x years and we will see then which is the smarter investment. The pc which I can really use as a multimediadevice or the x-box, Playstation where I have to be extremely careful with to play dvd's/cd's on......

Unknown · August 2004

Originally posted by BuZeR

Also Consoles are all becoming online and Im willing to bet almost any MMO game thats released on PC, will be released on at least one Console. As this is almost already the case, I know for sure EQ1 and FFXI are both available on PS2, and Im sure theres more not to mention the countless FS genre games.
As always, these are one persons personal opinions. So if you disagree post a retort, dont just flame.

You are incorrect. EQ1 the PC MMORPG is not available for PS2. A seperate, and new EQ1 was specifically made for the PS2. Your example actually shows how superior the PC is over the console. Take the same game and make it specifically for the PC, that takes advantage of all the positives of the PC...... and it will destroy the same exact game made specifically for the console, that takes advantage of all the positives of the console. EQ1 the PC version, is unplayable on the console. Not because of different programming languages, but because the console does not have the full memory, processor speed, or graphics capabilities of a PC. The main thing being memory. Certain games are best for PC. Certain games play better on console. MMORPGs for example will perform far better if they are made specifically for a PC. And again, many gamers own BOTH console and PCs.

Next, forget about gaming for a moment. PCs allow gamers to do many other things. At least the ones who intend to graduate High School and go to College and get a higher education. And the ones who intend to move out, get their career jobs - PCs allow a gamer to take their work home with them and work on it in addtion to playing games. ALSO a PC will allow a gamer to teach their kids (and even theirselves) to be computer litterate and thus have better job chances. You cannot put on a resume I have a PS2, or X-Box and know how to use it. You can put on a resume I have a PC and know how to use it. Thus PCs give far more bang for the buck.

About FFXI, it was originally a PS2 title. It was "grafted" over to PC. Many PC gamers complain about how over simple it is vs other PC only MMORPGs. SWG also was planned to be released on PS2. That idea got pushed back..... right now it is in stasis.

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flabair · August 2004

hi, im hoping PC games stay around as i prefer them, i will change to a console game if they stop making PC game, but only then

Unknown · August 2004

Originally posted by sybaris
playability before thinking about upgradeing it, The ps2 is over 5 years old now and still going strong.

I do not know exactly when the PS2 was released, but I do NOT think it was in 1999. Can you or anyone else post exactly when PS2 was released?

Also PS2 is the first console to be retro. It plays ALL PS games also. PS2 has more game titles than any other console system. It is really a 2 for 1 deal.

I have nothing against Pc games some are quite good but i do not work 40 hours a week to upgrade it every time someone brings a new game out and that is your problem, not many people are willing to (unless you live with your parents have no bills and can squander your money on whatever you want.............

A brand new state of the art PC right now costs roughly $800.oo (USA) to custom build. This is if you yourself build it, or you have a tech friend build it. Having a mainstream store (like Best Buy) build it add another 300 bucks. It will be able to play new games for the next 3 years. GeForce 4 game out roughly 1 year ago. All custom computers built back then, for roughly $800.oo (USA) with GeForce 4, Pent 4 (or equivilant Athalon), are still in date right now. Even though GeForce 6 is out.

Ordering customized parts over the internet, using Credit Card, saves incredible amounts of money. Credit Card companies have scam protections. Also if you dislike the item, you can stop payment.

As an example, a guy i know paid over £2500 for his custom built pc about 8 - 12 months ago ok at the time it was the dogs, however lidl (a cheapo store) is now selling better systems than his for under £500 would you say that is a good investment? He is now desperate for a better graphics card and other stuff but can't afford it, where as me i have a decent lappy that i use for computing and a few consoles i use for playing, they are great and i know when i play online no one has an advantage because they have an UBER console it just doesnt happen

What type of Graphics card does he now have? GeForce 4 has been out for over 1+ years. He obviously did not first shop around, nor use the internet to help build his customized PC. You can't use him as your prime example if you refuse to post all his system specs. Everyone "knows a guy who......" did this or that.

Its about time you got real Pc's were never intended as gaming machines and the biggest market for games is the console market.......

Consoles AND PCs do so both have a gaming market. Even if it is your opinion that PCs do not. This thread is starting to be a consoles vs pc thread that might get into a flame war. Mr. Reality says that the PC game market is successful, has been super-successful. And same with the console market. BTW many gamers make enough money to own BOTH a console and a PC. Some even own multiple consoles. The possible death of the console market will more likely be the fact that it forces console gamers to own different types of consoles. The software makers make the consoles and many times decide what games will be allowed for them. Whereas the PC market does not. Imagine Dell deciding only a certain game can be played on Dells? Or Toshiba deciding only a certain game can be played on Toshibas? Or Hewlet-Packard deciding only certain games will be playable on a HP? Or every single PC company deciding only certain games will be playeable on the computers they make?

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Konttu · August 2004

Well my opinion is that PC never dies, and it will be always better than consoles (cant say that i own some consoles) but still, you can upgrade your computer and stuff, but you cant upgrade consoles, so they do new consoles what pays millions (well... not exactly) PC live 4ever!!! ::::17::

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Smelly_Armor · August 2004

This is a debate and a question that has been hashed out herebefore and on other forum threads. I think this question crops up about this time of year each when the next generation of games is about to be released for the fall right before xmas, and it is a question that crops up it seems anytime there is any news of the next gen consoles or of the next best processor for the pc. As the pc industry has grown, so has the console and gaming industry.

Without the pioneering and research work in computing technology and software, you wouldn't have gaming consoles or for that matter the games to play on your pc or your console. There is a market for gaming pcs and consoles because they each occupy niches in the gaming industry. The gaming console is just a very inexpensive gaming platform that targets a certain share of the market. How many parents go out and buy there 6 to 12 year old a $1500 and up gaming pc??? Another thing is, that a good number of gamers who own a pc also own at least one gaming console...whether they play it or not.

The gaming console is following the way of the pc becoming more of a multi-purpose entertainment electronic piece of hardware because we, the consumer, are so demanding and outspoken more than ever of what we want for our hard earned money. PS2's and XBOXs play both gaming cds, music cds and DVD movies(I'm assuming the PS2 plays DVD movies because I don't own a PS2). On pc's you can watch tv, dvd movies, listen to music, play games, surf the web, render an anime short film, ect, ect. PCs will continue to advance in technology and offer more as that technology advances. At some point in the future, you'll play you mmorpg and mmog in virtual reality long before your gaming console will be able too because of cost.

There are current rules of modern computer tech: 1) Anything you buy today is old news just a few months down the road. 2) New technology filters down into the mainstream market as time passes by becoming less expensive, more attainable and more common place in said market. 3) Computer tech and software is a multi-tillion dollar world industry 4) The gaming industry is second only to Hollywood in entertainment dollars earned now.

One note to those commenting on maybe not seeing as many pc games in stores. You still see alot, but with the booming economy of online dealers, more and more people are ordering pc parts, software and games online from dealers like newegg.com, zipzoomfly.com, ect.

10 years from now, some of us will be telling tall mmorpg tales and saying things, do you believe we played on pc's that only ran 3ghz processors in them and could only have 2 to 4gb of ram.......Just compare today to 10 years ago. Food for thought kiddies.

btw, don't mind the typos cause I didn't check my spelling and I don't care.

Farseen · August 2004

Originally posted by Kunou

I prefer consoles for some things and my PCs for others.
Sports games, action games etc are definitely on the console with the controller.
RPGs tho are PC only, MMORPGs in particular, I'd never play one on a console.

Agreed. I only play sports games on my console because i usually play with my buddies or something, never alone. The console is great for more people. I have two computers set up in my room beside each other, so we can game together when my buddies come over, so the console is really only used for when i have 4 or more people over. A nice system link game of Halo is always amazing. Then again, if there were 8 of us at a time playing a game like Natural-Selection or Counter-Strike, then it might be a bit more fun Actually, 8 of us playing Everquest 2 at the same time would just top off anything i could expect in my entire life

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methane47 · August 2004

In My honest Opinion, Consoles will never ever........EVER take out PC's For a couple of reasons.....

1) FACT: Consoles are just not as strong as PC's. They run on low quality crap, and Laugh at the fact that nobody cares... The only reason why Consoles can even barely stand up to the Quality of PC games is because the creaters just cut short cuts until the Game fits within the Console specifications.... For instance... Why doesn't anyone play Unreal on Consoles?

2) My gaming experience is just soo much greater on PC where the game really is as Real as it can get....

3) I want to know that if my "console" gets a Read-Error.. I can just buy a new freaking CD-Drive for 30 bucks instead of Having to Buy a whole new system.... (Which HAs happened to me)....

4) I want to know that I can play a game for more than 2 days without completing it... And I'm NOT Talking about Getting allll the Gold Coin crap that every console game has just to extend the life of the game....
I hate beating a console game... And then they tell me... If you want the super Uber ending... you have to Collect All the '500 Gold Sea Urchin Urine Viles' ....Current # of viles : 7.

5) THERE is NO way Consoles' MMORPG's will ever be as good as PC MMORPG's well... until consoles look like a tall standing box with a mouse and a keyboard...

I think Console gamers just dont understand PC's.....(talking about people without a PC) I bought a PC 3 years ago and built it myself right... but My room-mate Bought a BRAND SPANKING NEw Dell last year... with the same "surface specs" as mine.... (you know the stuff they advertise... Clock speed and RAM and HD size) And when Unreal Tournament 2004 came out we both got it... and We played together and I ALLways Destroyed him.... After awhile he started getting annoyed... and told me PC games suck... Now i knew something was wrong, so I went over to his computer to see him playing... When I realized the problem... His Computer sucked Balls.... The thing just could not handle the game.... he has like a 133 FSB and a S3 Savage GFCard or some crap Jazz like that...
Now what i was trying to say here is that If he was knowledgable in Computers he wouldn't have bought the crap... which is just like alot of people... they Buy a pre-built PC from Dell or what ever for dirt cheap and think it is state of the Art when it's just alot of big numbers with no Foundation... That is the Reason why Soooo much people love Consoles.... Because they dont have to worry About if their PC is good or not all they know is that Everyone has the Same thing and it works for them.... So all they have to do is Pop the game in the slot... and if it works... Eureka... and if i doesn't well thank god i have this Extended warranty..... ::::25:: wait a minute... it only lasts for one year!!!! ::::26::

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Yann00 · August 2004

You guys know we can use a keyboard and a mouse on most consoles? And all future consoles will support usb mouse and keyboard. I really like my pc but I prefer to play games on consoles. You put the cd in press start and here you go have fun. I use my pc to play mmorpg's since there are almost none on consoles and to also play exclusive pc titles. I seriously don't plan to update my pc anytime soon, it cost to much to play a few good games.

I dunno I'm not the kind of guy who needs the best graphic and best frame per second when playing a game. I don't really care I just want to have fun and relax. That's why I prefer consoles for gaming. I just hate when a game doesn't work for some reason. I also updating drivers and such. I know some peoples like those kind of stuff and prefer tweaking there pc to play games then actually playing the games themselves. Well it's all a matter of preferences.

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