Originally posted by KirinRahl TL:DR; You should play the game at release instead of judging it by -closed beta content-, and also you should think before you open your God-forsaken mouth.
So, you agree with me that WAR is a dumbed down version of WoW? With simplified PvP, PvE, equipment and so on?
If we agree on everything, your arguments are wasted on me.
TL:DR; You should play the game at release instead of judging it by -closed beta content-, and also you should think before you open your God-forsaken mouth.
So, you agree with me that WAR is a dumbed down version of WoW? With simplified PvP, PvE, equipment and so on?
If we agree on everything, your arguments are wasted on me.
Oi, with this post the thread can be concluded. . .
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
When WoW can match WaR's ease of use for multiplayer it'll be on par but right now its lacking.
For example... last night me and a buddy wanted to try some new classes. I went elf and he was a human so we were seperated. First few levels (til the PQ) are really a breeze and nice to kick back and solo at ur own pace, but we also love the pvp and had to get our fix and qued up for that all at the same time doing our solo pve stuff. Then the scenario pops up and we're off side by side killing destruction left and right for the Empire... and thats just the first 5 levels. The game expands even more and incorperates more grouping for PQs, open rvr is great and still all at the same time you're doing those you can be ready for a scenario. Its just so fun and easy to get sucked in I find myself loosing track of time (its been a long while since an mmo has pulled that on me)
TL:DR; You should play the game at release instead of judging it by -closed beta content-, and also you should think before you open your God-forsaken mouth.
So, you agree with me that WAR is a dumbed down version of WoW? With simplified PvP, PvE, equipment and so on?
If we agree on everything, your arguments are wasted on me.
do you have nothing better to do with your life than bad mouth a game over the internet. Seriously you are only posting negative stuff about war because you fear it will hurt wow's subscription numbers. all your wow buddies are going to jump ship and leave you crying all on your own with your shitty raids.
WoW has getting more and more casual over time . Before TBC the only way to get uber gear was 40 man raiding wich was alot of coordination/preparation to do .
Now BC come on they release this crap resilience wich make pve gear totaly worthless for pvp . They lower 40 man raid to 25 they hand epic to everyone with badge gear etc.
WOTLK inc raid have been dumped down to 10 man . Prollly more overpowered badge reward some more meaningless pvp wich will be another grind for gear .
Stop comparing WoW to WAR it NOT the same thing . The end game population of WAR will be 70-90% pvp while WoW end game pop is a bunch of pve hardcore ppl who never even pvp . Thats what make the dif between both game .
fingis is comparing Rank 11 WAR vs Level 70 WoW pretty much.
If he looked deeper into the game it wouldn't seem like a simplified WOW anymore but he doesn't really want to do that. He just likes to troll this forum.
(I agree that WoW has become more casual friendly over the years.) Answer these questions with a yes or no so I can prove my point: 1. Is there a fear mechanic in WAR? 2. Is it easy to get the best gear possible for your level in WAR, as compare to WoW or EQ1? 3. Is there a feign death mechanic in WAR? 4. Is there a charge or a blink mechanic in WAR? 5. Do you have to gather a group to kill bosses to get the best gear in WAR? 6. Are there any difficult quests in WAR for your level? 7. Is there a hunter flare mechanic in WAR? 8. Can you reach max level in WAR without grouping? Or ever talking to anyone at all for that matter.
Why dont you go roll a hunter and stop trolling ? Thanks god theres no fear that was one of the most anoying thing along with rogue stunlock and paly 5 sec stun .
thank you for your opinion fingis. the same anti-war opinion that you have been sprouting for several weeks now, at the same time as saying that you dont play wow, but constantly talking about it.
1. Is there a fear mechanic in WAR? - No but there is a knockback ability that pushes a target away from you which was the original point of fear only blizzard messed it up making a mechanic that has never been balanced since release.
2. Is it easy to get the best gear possible for your level in WAR, as compare to WoW or EQ1? - No, it is about the same as WoW only with PvP gear available at lower levels. EQ1 was a mostly dungeon only loot game so that one is a bit different.
3. Is there a feign death mechanic in WAR? - No
4. Is there a charge or a blink mechanic in WAR? No, but again abilities like knockback and knockdown and gork says stop are things WoW does not have either.
5. Do you have to gather a group to kill bosses to get the best gear in WAR? - Yes for end game you do and RvR renown is much better in a group. Don't penalize WAR for making group formation easier.
6. Are there any difficult quests in WAR for your level? - Yes, PQs are about the same difficulty as a WoW elite quest, just easier to find groups.
7. Is there a hunter flare mechanic in WAR? - No but again there are a bunch of abilities in WAR that WoW doesn't have so you could twist this around and get the same answer.
8. Can you reach max level in WAR without grouping? Or ever talking to anyone at all for that matter. - I'm sure you could just like in WOW and in EQ, fail to see the point of this.
Your title isn't actually wrong though, WAR is aimed at casual players just like WoW was and AOC was and LOTRO. That is just the major portion of the player base now. Games like Vanguard and Darkfall that are aimed at 'hardcore' players are pretty much doomed to fail.
I don't understand why people try to bring down things they don't like/enjoy. Man, get a life and enjoy it while you can instead of wasting your time trying to convince convinced people that what they like is not what you like. If you feel you were let down by Mythic because your hype for the game was as hard and big as a teen **** his first time... you are simply pathetic.
Wow is a genre and WAR is another. I see WAR as a FPS like BF 2142 with a sword. You get no grinding if you don't want to. Just chopping head...
When the hype is so high, the fall is long and painful.
(I agree that WoW has become more casual friendly over the years.) Answer these questions with a yes or no so I can prove my point: 1. Is there a fear mechanic in WAR? 2. Is it easy to get the best gear possible for your level in WAR, as compare to WoW or EQ1? 3. Is there a feign death mechanic in WAR? 4. Is there a charge or a blink mechanic in WAR? 5. Do you have to gather a group to kill bosses to get the best gear in WAR? 6. Are there any difficult quests in WAR for your level? 7. Is there a hunter flare mechanic in WAR? 8. Can you reach max level in WAR without grouping? Or ever talking to anyone at all for that matter.
Rofl you're still here and trolling? You answered the same questions over and over again for so many months? It seems your RL job is to troll these forums. Fine, I'll answe these questions again:
1. No. Fear is OP in WoW. Even with WotF and trinket, a Druid/Lock team can CC someone forever and if you ever broke 1800, you will know it.
2. No it isn't. Shitty purples are ez to get but if you really played WoW, you'd know that s2 is no match for s4 even if they are both purples.
3. There is a mechanic to cancel the targets but i can't remember what class can get it.
4. No there isn't. Charge and Blink are dynamical, but they are also bugged. In BE you can easily abuse charge and sometimes Blink blinks you back or only for 1-2 yards. Give at least some good examples if you are that smart.
5. Yes, the best gear will come from city raids, which is like a 25-man WoW raid or from RR80 which will take 6 months, that if you're hardcore. For a casual it could take about an year.
6. All public quests can't be soloed and there are harder quests at higher levels.
7. No and we don't even need that. Why the hell would you need that mechanic when Stealth isn't that important in WAR? Jesus Christ, so retarded questions.
8. Yes you can. And so you can in WoW. I could get 70 in 5 days without any help these days. How's that hardcore?
So please, stop acting that smart. Some of us who really played WoW at high ratings/t6+ content know that you are only a troll.
Also, can you please tell me why you feel an almost sexual wish to troll this forum?
Getting stunned and feared is just plain annoying, Im so happy we dont have that in WAR at least not what i've seen, much better with the morale abilities i've seen where you knock the enemy back flying. Stunning and fearing isnt much "skill" at all in my opinion. Winning by having total control of your chars and the same for the enemy requires more skill then just spamming fear and stun effects.
And no you cant reach the max level without grouping as it would suck to level renown without any scenarios.
There are almost limitless combinations and different builds you can make. And then to try and sync your build to work in a group. And in a guild.
The game is very "simple" to begin with. But at least I feel happy with all the talent trees and Renown skills.
As long as a game is FUN, it does not matter what it is. If so unbalanced, ugly, simple, hard or whatever.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Nobody uses that bow since it's level 60. How can you be to say you're a PvP god with that bow since a 65 one replaces it. Hell, it wasn't that good at 60 either. Back when AS wasn't normalized, the AV quest crossbow was actually BETTER(and you get it at 51 by winning a single AV, how hardcore).
Please stop, you never played WoW either did you? Having a 30 Huntard and reading from Wowwiki doesn't make you a WoW god.
Blizz didn't even bother to upgrade this quest for 70.
(I agree that WoW has become more casual friendly over the years.) Answer these questions with a yes or no so I can prove my point: 1. Is there a fear mechanic in WAR? -There is a balanced mechanic called Morale... it raises and lowers as fights go on. There are abilities to "fear" and decrese that morale so it doesn't built up enough that people can use their beefy abilites. So YES and BETTER. 2. Is it easy to get the best gear possible for your level in WAR, as compare to WoW or EQ1? -Best possible gear? I'm in teir 2 and have to say no. I keep seeing better and better but that doesn't stop me from going out and tearing people up in RvR. So it may not be the easiest but it isn't exactly neccisary to have every single uber piece to be effective. 3. Is there a feign death mechanic in WAR? -Not that i've seen. Why slow down the rate of combat and lose out on your morale just to force someone to retarget you. That does nothing more than buy a whole 2-3 seconds at most unless the person is horrible, where you should win anyway without it. 4. Is there a charge or a blink mechanic in WAR? - The shaman seems to have some sort of teleport (or I had a bad lag spike haha) but I haven't played one so I don't know for sure. Again, charge stun was a whole what? 2-3 seconds? woo-hoo. Either way your opponent is still up and you have to get down to the real fighting. 5. Do you have to gather a group to kill bosses to get the best gear in WAR? -Again you always want the best gear. I don't know what it exactly is b/c in the 10+ hours i've been playing I haven't felt the need to have to go out and get it to be effective. I consistantly top the RvR and PQ charts by being an effective healer/dps (war priest) alone and helping my team win with just that little bit of help. 6. Are there any difficult quests in WAR for your level? - Yes. In teir 2 the PQs are a bit tough when they con RED and you would want i'd say 2 healers, as much dps as possible and atleast 2 devoted tanks. 7. Is there a hunter flare mechanic in WAR? I'm almost glad to say I don't even know what this is. But if its missing from WAR it probly isn't necessary 8. Can you reach max level in WAR without grouping? Or ever talking to anyone at all for that matter. You can try, people will talk to you, and you'll still be tricked into grouping if you ever attempt a PQ. So go back to CoD4 or some other good single player if you want to always be the star of the show. WAR is about teamwork and pride for your realm and guild. You fight and die for it. Learn to love it.
TBH - WoW was so simple it was easy for even a older ~50 person that doesn't know ps/2 from USB, to pick up with their children and bond... kinda til the lack of grouping and push for solo play diminishes that and they cancel the sub to play a real game *cough* WAR *cough*
1. Easy to learn pvp. No complex pvp features like stealth, fear, mind control, charge, blink, feign death, and so on. 2. Easy pve. No group quests. Quests are simple fedex or kill X items. 3. No preparation. Don't need to harvest for food or drink. Consumables are limited. 4. Twink gear is easy to come by. Gear is a huge part of the game but, if you know where to buy it, you can get gear easily. No need to group up to farm that boss for those boots. 4a. No need to make decisions about gear. There is only one set of uber gear to grind for. There are no complicated stats like haste or resilience. 4b. Simplified talent trees. 5. Travel is minimal or instant. The 'hearth stone' equivalent doesn't have a cool down. That eliminates time traveled to half. Some say WoW is EQ dumbed down. WAR is WoW dumbed down. Is this what the masses want?
Haha,
Is that that an attempted troll post? Fails on so many levels, the biggest one suggesting that WoW is 'complex'!
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So, you agree with me that WAR is a dumbed down version of WoW? With simplified PvP, PvE, equipment and so on?
If we agree on everything, your arguments are wasted on me.
So, you agree with me that WAR is a dumbed down version of WoW? With simplified PvP, PvE, equipment and so on?
If we agree on everything, your arguments are wasted on me.
Oi, with this post the thread can be concluded. . .
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You wouldn't understand
When WoW can match WaR's ease of use for multiplayer it'll be on par but right now its lacking.
For example... last night me and a buddy wanted to try some new classes. I went elf and he was a human so we were seperated. First few levels (til the PQ) are really a breeze and nice to kick back and solo at ur own pace, but we also love the pvp and had to get our fix and qued up for that all at the same time doing our solo pve stuff. Then the scenario pops up and we're off side by side killing destruction left and right for the Empire... and thats just the first 5 levels. The game expands even more and incorperates more grouping for PQs, open rvr is great and still all at the same time you're doing those you can be ready for a scenario. Its just so fun and easy to get sucked in I find myself loosing track of time (its been a long while since an mmo has pulled that on me)
And you're telling me WoW is more fun??
So, you agree with me that WAR is a dumbed down version of WoW? With simplified PvP, PvE, equipment and so on?
If we agree on everything, your arguments are wasted on me.
do you have nothing better to do with your life than bad mouth a game over the internet. Seriously you are only posting negative stuff about war because you fear it will hurt wow's subscription numbers. all your wow buddies are going to jump ship and leave you crying all on your own with your shitty raids.
WaR has already won and hes in the first stage of mourning.
WoW has getting more and more casual over time . Before TBC the only way to get uber gear was 40 man raiding wich was alot of coordination/preparation to do .
Now BC come on they release this crap resilience wich make pve gear totaly worthless for pvp . They lower 40 man raid to 25 they hand epic to everyone with badge gear etc.
WOTLK inc raid have been dumped down to 10 man . Prollly more overpowered badge reward some more meaningless pvp wich will be another grind for gear .
Stop comparing WoW to WAR it NOT the same thing . The end game population of WAR will be 70-90% pvp while WoW end game pop is a bunch of pve hardcore ppl who never even pvp . Thats what make the dif between both game .
(I agree that WoW has become more casual friendly over the years.)
Answer these questions with a yes or no so I can prove my point:
1. Is there a fear mechanic in WAR?
2. Is it easy to get the best gear possible for your level in WAR, as compare to WoW or EQ1?
3. Is there a feign death mechanic in WAR?
4. Is there a charge or a blink mechanic in WAR?
5. Do you have to gather a group to kill bosses to get the best gear in WAR?
6. Are there any difficult quests in WAR for your level?
7. Is there a hunter flare mechanic in WAR?
8. Can you reach max level in WAR without grouping? Or ever talking to anyone at all for that matter.
fingis is comparing Rank 11 WAR vs Level 70 WoW pretty much.
If he looked deeper into the game it wouldn't seem like a simplified WOW anymore but he doesn't really want to do that. He just likes to troll this forum.
Why dont you go roll a hunter and stop trolling ? Thanks god theres no fear that was one of the most anoying thing along with rogue stunlock and paly 5 sec stun .
thank you for your opinion fingis. the same anti-war opinion that you have been sprouting for several weeks now, at the same time as saying that you dont play wow, but constantly talking about it.
we get it. now move on.
1. Is there a fear mechanic in WAR? - No but there is a knockback ability that pushes a target away from you which was the original point of fear only blizzard messed it up making a mechanic that has never been balanced since release.
2. Is it easy to get the best gear possible for your level in WAR, as compare to WoW or EQ1? - No, it is about the same as WoW only with PvP gear available at lower levels. EQ1 was a mostly dungeon only loot game so that one is a bit different.
3. Is there a feign death mechanic in WAR? - No
4. Is there a charge or a blink mechanic in WAR? No, but again abilities like knockback and knockdown and gork says stop are things WoW does not have either.
5. Do you have to gather a group to kill bosses to get the best gear in WAR? - Yes for end game you do and RvR renown is much better in a group. Don't penalize WAR for making group formation easier.
6. Are there any difficult quests in WAR for your level? - Yes, PQs are about the same difficulty as a WoW elite quest, just easier to find groups.
7. Is there a hunter flare mechanic in WAR? - No but again there are a bunch of abilities in WAR that WoW doesn't have so you could twist this around and get the same answer.
8. Can you reach max level in WAR without grouping? Or ever talking to anyone at all for that matter. - I'm sure you could just like in WOW and in EQ, fail to see the point of this.
Your title isn't actually wrong though, WAR is aimed at casual players just like WoW was and AOC was and LOTRO. That is just the major portion of the player base now. Games like Vanguard and Darkfall that are aimed at 'hardcore' players are pretty much doomed to fail.
I don't understand why people try to bring down things they don't like/enjoy. Man, get a life and enjoy it while you can instead of wasting your time trying to convince convinced people that what they like is not what you like. If you feel you were let down by Mythic because your hype for the game was as hard and big as a teen **** his first time... you are simply pathetic.
Wow is a genre and WAR is another. I see WAR as a FPS like BF 2142 with a sword. You get no grinding if you don't want to. Just chopping head...
When the hype is so high, the fall is long and painful.
Why does anyone feed him? His avatar speaks volumes. Starve him and he'll eventually go away or if we are lucky he might alt+F4 himself.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
Rofl you're still here and trolling? You answered the same questions over and over again for so many months? It seems your RL job is to troll these forums. Fine, I'll answe these questions again:
1. No. Fear is OP in WoW. Even with WotF and trinket, a Druid/Lock team can CC someone forever and if you ever broke 1800, you will know it.
2. No it isn't. Shitty purples are ez to get but if you really played WoW, you'd know that s2 is no match for s4 even if they are both purples.
3. There is a mechanic to cancel the targets but i can't remember what class can get it.
4. No there isn't. Charge and Blink are dynamical, but they are also bugged. In BE you can easily abuse charge and sometimes Blink blinks you back or only for 1-2 yards. Give at least some good examples if you are that smart.
5. Yes, the best gear will come from city raids, which is like a 25-man WoW raid or from RR80 which will take 6 months, that if you're hardcore. For a casual it could take about an year.
6. All public quests can't be soloed and there are harder quests at higher levels.
7. No and we don't even need that. Why the hell would you need that mechanic when Stealth isn't that important in WAR? Jesus Christ, so retarded questions.
8. Yes you can. And so you can in WoW. I could get 70 in 5 days without any help these days. How's that hardcore?
So please, stop acting that smart. Some of us who really played WoW at high ratings/t6+ content know that you are only a troll.
Also, can you please tell me why you feel an almost sexual wish to troll this forum?
Getting stunned and feared is just plain annoying, Im so happy we dont have that in WAR at least not what i've seen, much better with the morale abilities i've seen where you knock the enemy back flying. Stunning and fearing isnt much "skill" at all in my opinion. Winning by having total control of your chars and the same for the enemy requires more skill then just spamming fear and stun effects.
And no you cant reach the max level without grouping as it would suck to level renown without any scenarios.
The game is very deep IMO.
There are almost limitless combinations and different builds you can make. And then to try and sync your build to work in a group. And in a guild.
The game is very "simple" to begin with. But at least I feel happy with all the talent trees and Renown skills.
As long as a game is FUN, it does not matter what it is. If so unbalanced, ugly, simple, hard or whatever.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
WoW has an epic hunter bow quest. Will WAR have something similar? If you got this bow, you'd be a god in pvp.
You can view the WoW epic hunter bow quest here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/534914/47641
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Nobody uses that bow since it's level 60. How can you be to say you're a PvP god with that bow since a 65 one replaces it. Hell, it wasn't that good at 60 either. Back when AS wasn't normalized, the AV quest crossbow was actually BETTER(and you get it at 51 by winning a single AV, how hardcore).
Please stop, you never played WoW either did you? Having a 30 Huntard and reading from Wowwiki doesn't make you a WoW god.
Blizz didn't even bother to upgrade this quest for 70.
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Nope.
At least you didn't call me a 'big poopy head'.
TBH - WoW was so simple it was easy for even a older ~50 person that doesn't know ps/2 from USB, to pick up with their children and bond... kinda til the lack of grouping and push for solo play diminishes that and they cancel the sub to play a real game *cough* WAR *cough*
I have a question for you, Fingis, did you level a character past 50?
I got a 70 druid.
I've been playing LOTRO lately, nice game.
Haha,
Is that that an attempted troll post? Fails on so many levels, the biggest one suggesting that WoW is 'complex'!
Dear, oh dear...
I got a 70 druid.
I've been playing LOTRO lately, nice game.
The only encounter in Lotro that is remotely 'complex', is the Balrog encounter. The rest of it is getting dumbed down by the day.
It will suit you down to the ground
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