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what REAL PvP looks like (AoC vs WAR)
mscouts77
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Yes its WarHammer.... but look at what you guys are missing.... please keep an open mind... I hate seeing good people waste time on a game that is going nowhere
got like 11000 XP shooting that vid.... yes...PvP XP...
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I do not see anything special about the PvP that was displayed in that video. It looks about as interesting as AoC PvP. I am not sticking up for AoC in anyway though. AoC failed on so many levels for me.
that was pretty much only a "hunt" I do in the scenarios....
but the HUGE battles happen for control of keeps....
I havent had this much fun in pvp since SWG pre CU
Odd, I expected to see combat footage from EVE. You were talking about REAL PVP afterall.
I mean, I hate to see people wasting good time on another game.
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Nice Video mscouts77. And thanks for all the other WAR videos you've posted on Youtube.
Im still trying out warhammer, maybe i'll post the video where there is no line of sight, minimal C.D. and fire balls that travel through solid 50ft of rock and other terrain?
PvP XP in 5 days for AoC, no auto targetting, cone shaped spells and heals, better AoE effects, positional attacks, every class can stealth, mounted combat anywhere, smooth animations, siege weapons that can be moved and made by the player, Siege cities all player crafted, no population imbalance concerns, can PvP against people of any race or class, PvP teams that you can create and not created by the computer, better spell effects, fatalities, no 3 second delay in melee weapon swings, every class stamina controlled sprinting, snares and many other regular pvp additions.
War offers tried and tested PvP in a different skin with minimal note worthy additions in my opinion. Its good, but old.
I like war's pvp overall, and both games have their merits in this area. As a player my preferance is with the style presented in AoC. If what comes next week enhances that, then thats even better.
Thanks for posting the war vid makes for clearer perspectives in the bigger picture.
Avery..... seriously..... do you STILL believe the SH!T that funcom is shoveling out?
1st it was end of june....
then it was end of july
THEN it was beginning of sept...
THEN it was Sept 10th....
its uhhhh the 12th now....
I hear rumors that its been postponed until the EXPANSION...lol.
at some point.... blind faith turns to naive ignorance...
unfortunately... that point was 3 months ago.....
I'm sorry, all I see is you running around in circles around the target. Around... and around... and around... until one of you drops dead. I guess the difference between pvp and pve is that in pve you stand in front of the enemy and fight.
If that's what you enjoy, great. Looks as bad as bunny hopping pvp from AoC to me.
damn you guys give avery a lot of problems. I personally see him as the most reasonable AoC fan around here.
yes, some of the stuff he listed most of us dislike (massive amounts of stealth) a lot of the stuff is subjective (better, but this whole post is subjective) and a few of the things are a bit misinformed (big guilds beating up little guilds is the same population imbalance WAR will have, just in a different skin)
Actually read what he says, he made some good points, and maybe in 5 days AoC will have PvP XP. this topic was doomed to be flame bait from the start anyway, but try to have an open mind.
and while I think the EVE comment was much needed, even there most "real" PvP is gate camping. the good PvP in EVE is about the deepest PvP you'll get in any MMO, but most of it is pure ganking.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Im still trying out warhammer, maybe i'll post the video where there is no line of sight, minimal C.D. and fire balls that travel through solid 50ft of rock and other terrain?
PvP XP in 5 days for AoC, no auto targetting, cone shaped spells and heals, better AoE effects, positional attacks, every class can stealth, mounted combat anywhere, smooth animations, siege weapons that can be moved and made by the player, Siege cities all player crafted, no population imbalance concerns, can PvP against people of any race or class, PvP teams that you can create and not created by the computer, better spell effects, fatalities, no 3 second delay in melee weapon swings, every class stamina controlled sprinting, snares and many other regular pvp additions.
War offers tried and tested PvP in a different skin with minimal note worthy additions in my opinion. Its good, but old.
I like war's pvp overall, and both games have their merits in this area. As a player my preferance is with the style presented in AoC. If what comes next week enhances that, then thats even better.
Thanks for posting the war vid makes for clearer perspectives in the bigger picture.
Avery, what are you doing? I've pretty much stood with you on the issues and non issues with AoC. But this comment has got to be stated differently. As much as you can show us a RvR video from WAR with issues, I could show you a documentary of issues with Age of Conan. And that really would only touch the PvP aspect. I honestly thought you were talking about a totally different game. I am actually shocked that one, you responded to flame bait being a correspondent. Please tell me you don't honestly believe this to be true. C.D fixes and things rolling thru terrain are small fixes. And Mythic can easily patch this up and is. But you also want to know whats easy. Adding in a system thats already in place, called PvP xp. But somehow Funcom is to programming what Darkfall is to beta releases and launches. Slow and obsolete.
I know you will reply and state that Age of Conan has minimal faults and none of them are game breaking. But it's not about the game anymore. It's about the people who run the game. I will only say this, read the API thread. I loved Famine, he was a good Community Manager. Then he started to do exactly what Funcom has been doing since AO. I don't even know why he's still around to be honest. He does his job yes, but he blaintently lied to the community of modders and still has been. He won't answer the threads about the issue because he knew he was wrong. A mod pack, a freakin mod pack that apparently still is sitting on hsi desk. Cmon, how much of a lie could that of really been. Famien, i know you will read this and you know who I am. You should be ashamed of yourself. It's one thing to lie, but you represent a company. Just like the crap you preacch to moderators should be the same thing you should preach. Keep your mouth shut.
Btw, Age of Conan is a decent game. It's not horrible in any way. But it has issues that go beyond the game. If people try the game, that's fine. But don't expect it to be the best MMO out there. Hopefully in time they do what they did with AO and get a better Director and tell Famine to just not promise anything. Let the company ruin itself, they don't need you to do that for them.
Im still trying out warhammer, maybe i'll post the video where there is no line of sight, minimal C.D. and fire balls that travel through solid 50ft of rock and other terrain?
PvP XP in 5 days for AoC, no auto targetting, cone shaped spells and heals, better AoE effects, positional attacks, every class can stealth, mounted combat anywhere, smooth animations, siege weapons that can be moved and made by the player, Siege cities all player crafted, no population imbalance concerns, can PvP against people of any race or class, PvP teams that you can create and not created by the computer, better spell effects, fatalities, no 3 second delay in melee weapon swings, every class stamina controlled sprinting, snares and many other regular pvp additions.
War offers tried and tested PvP in a different skin with minimal note worthy additions in my opinion. Its good, but old.
I like war's pvp overall, and both games have their merits in this area. As a player my preferance is with the style presented in AoC. If what comes next week enhances that, then thats even better.
Thanks for posting the war vid makes for clearer perspectives in the bigger picture.
Yawnn. Do you even think anyone believe or care about your "unbiased" review. Mr. Wine and dine on Funcom/erling(sp?) credit card... AOC is a PVP failure and trying to bring WAR down won't help it out. You are getting desperate. Sad really.
And yes i know you gonna report my post .. ONCE AGAIN. As anytime I post something not friendly to your garbage I get a warning .. umm.
http://revolutionwar.guildlaunch.com/
have to sign this one bellow. this game bombed months ago.
looks like warcrafts combat without the jumping. improved but not revolutionary.
Im still trying out warhammer, maybe i'll post the video where there is no line of sight, minimal C.D. and fire balls that travel through solid 50ft of rock and other terrain?
PvP XP in 5 days for AoC, no auto targetting, cone shaped spells and heals, better AoE effects, positional attacks, every class can stealth, mounted combat anywhere, smooth animations, siege weapons that can be moved and made by the player, Siege cities all player crafted, no population imbalance concerns, can PvP against people of any race or class, PvP teams that you can create and not created by the computer, better spell effects, fatalities, no 3 second delay in melee weapon swings, every class stamina controlled sprinting, snares and many other regular pvp additions.
War offers tried and tested PvP in a different skin with minimal note worthy additions in my opinion. Its good, but old.
I like war's pvp overall, and both games have their merits in this area. As a player my preferance is with the style presented in AoC. If what comes next week enhances that, then thats even better.
Thanks for posting the war vid makes for clearer perspectives in the bigger picture.
The keep battles in WAR are a lot of fun, its a ffa skirmish in a very small area. But its surprisingly fun.
Op I really like WAR. But unless your playing the game, the fighting really looks horrible.
If I was on the fence of trying/not trying WAR videos such as yours would really turn me off. By showing you, 1 person trying to kill Tanks, and taking over 30 seconds to do so, makes the combat seem incredibly slow.
People on the fence may not reconize the tank.
Real PvP in WAR, is not 1v1s other wise it would be horribly unbalanced. But its when a group of say 6 peope go stomp 12 others, because they work as a team better, and know how to flank, and use collision detection to stop tanks from getting to their healers and squishies.
And you really did circle that BO way too much. Should have hit ran away and let your pet beat on him until he started going for the pet then go after him. Not only that should have tried to block him from moving around, such as moving behind him and sticking to his ass so he cant strafe to see you again. So he is then forced to turn his character around.
LOL one last edit. If you haven't noticed dunno its suppose to be like this. But you seem to get less blocks/parries when you are behind your target. And you would keep circling in front of them.
On top of that, that music was horrible. I hurt to lissen to.
If that's what WAR has to offer for PvP, I'll pass. That was BORING. Nothing but continuous autoattack spam.
Funny thing was, I played WoW PvP video at the same time and made a comparison, WoW wins by a mile, way more skill and strategy.
Not a WAR hater, not a WoW fan. And certainly not Age of Failure fan. Just an observer.
And for heavens sake, change the title of this thread, only reason wasted minutes of my life in this thread was because I tought I was going to see REAL PvP.
He was doing alot more than it looks. His video has horrible quality and he was only doing 1v1. I dont know his level nore could i have seen if he had any Tactics or any Moral abilites.
But thats fine pass on WAR from bad video quality.
Yeah but EVE is so established it's now hell for new players to start. WAR (and AOC for that matter) offer a fresh start on an even field.
So, enjoy your e-peen strokeage in EVE. Don't forget the tissue.
Niether one of these games has real PvP. I don't think spamming hotkeys makes for any player combat. It's dated, it's old, it's lame and it's easy.
No skill required.
I hope Darkfall delivers the combat it has shown us. Finally we will have PvP.
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WAR > AoC by a long shot.....however WAR is defeinitely NOT "REAL" PVP....not even close
it is dumbed down and from some experience with Tier 1 scenarios and world RVR, it is basically no better or even worse than WoW battleground.
I mean the t1 scenarios are basically arathi basin, only way worse and the khaines embrace one is possibly the worst designed area and encounter i have ever seen in my entire life.
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You know, if you're gonna say "AoC vs WAR" at least friggen post an AoC video too....
EDIT : I'll just do it myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSJf3D4RQs
So yea, compare that and the WAR so called "real" pvp...what exactly is in the WAR vid that's so real..i don't see it.....where's the dodging, the running for a better position, the taking out pesky ranged guys, the charging..the avoiding...i can actually see it in the AoC one...hmmmm
As for the WAR video,.that's what my screen looks like when i play WoW too..in fact being a Melee-DPSer in WoW it looks -exactly- like that...including the running around in circles whole time ...it's fun to have auto-attack eh?
The only diff though it looks a whole lot slower than WoW to me.
Now i'm not an AoC fanboi, i did actually cancel my sub in preparation for WAR [yes i will at least play it]. But i must say, AoC is still the most fun i had LEVELING and simply PLAYING the game in a long time.
I don't play either of these 2 games but from the 2 videos presented i would easily choose AoC, cause that WAR video is just horrible.
Running in circles and occasionlly jumping while beating a guy with a stick?
"but look at what you guys are missing.... " are u for real?
Seriously if your intent is to pull ppl from AoC to WAR u should start by making a video that will attract ppl and not the opposite.
Didn't know real PVP is filled with lagspikes and none tactical combat. Cause that is what AOC is (no I dont have crap pc).
War PVP is tactical - its on totally diffrent lvl than that of AOC. AOC can't handle tactical combat since the game engine AND the client PCs can't handle it. And the abilites of the classes are simply not designed around it.
War doesn't have 250 frames in the simple slash effect. That is true. But when it comes down to it - there are alot more important things than that in MMO.
But its all based on what ppl prefer. Personally War is and will be the best tactica - large group PVP MMO game on the market. AOC will never reach that standard. Mostly cause atm the devs in AOC are more conserned about the look of the siege weapons than actually caring what they do. That is not a good MMO.
I prefer Templarx video also. The war video just looked boring. I'm not saying WAR is but the video wasnt that impressing.