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A Star Trek MMORPG

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  • AnnekynnAnnekynn Member Posts: 1,437

    For a ST MMRPG to appeal to everyone it would have to be done in the same way as SWG was done, with a ground based version and a space based version. That way those who are happy being on the ground with phasers and tricorders and what not would play a traditional mmrpg, while those who enjoy space exploration/combat and so forth would play a game similar to darkspace/eve online/earth & beyond.

    Such an undertaking would be huge, and would probably have to be done in parts (either space first or ground first, and then join them together). Personally for me I couldnt care less about the ground aspect, and the following quote written by NCX-Charger perfectly summarizes what id like to see:

    "If a ST MMORPG were to work, it would have to (in my opinion) be a Darkspace style RPG, where you start off as a lowbie captain of small ships like scouts & work your way up. Your experience could be used to alter personal properities like communication (allows you to better talk to your crew & repairs, manuvers get done quicker), or it can be used to enhance your preistege to gain command abilities of higher classes of ships, the ability to requisition custom parts for your ship"

    If they were to do both space and ground at the same time, the ground aspect would have to have small 'worlds', areas say 1-2 square km. That way say 20 worlds in the universe would be exploreable, and on those worlds would be various missions/tasks/quests/mysteries/puzzles to do. However I dont think a ST MMRPG would succeed if it was either only or primarily ground based, as it would very easily fall into the category/trap of 'everquest with phasers'. Space is where star trek shines.

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  • StormsenderStormsender Member Posts: 39

    I think a ST mmorpg would be excellent but would probably take years to program and generate the content for I am thinking around 2009. It would take at least 2 game engines one for 1st / 3rd person, and another for the space enviroment. The hardest most complex issues with all mmorpg's is developing content and ensuring that that content can retain intrest for the duration of the characters level or stat progression without trivialising the earlier content for the new player.

    I have been hoping that a developer would take this challenge. But I think Paramount who holds the licensing for Star Trek franchises is very guarded about releasing the permission for games after all the bad games that have been developed. There have only been a few ST games that have been good and allot that have been sub par.

    So I think the cards would be stacked against this game from the start, not that a good ST mmorpg isn't possible, I just think it would take some extreme dedication to make it compeling and fun.

    I think the level or stats of players should be generated in 3 areas, rank / occupation / reputation, so this would translate losely like Captain / Command / Ledgendary. Under occupation there could be substats where advanced abilties are developed like deplomacy.

    My thoughts are that the game should have instanced missions so that the mission generator can adjust mission difficulty to the group or player, and I think there should be single player missions for the casual player. I think at some point the group of players should be given the command of a ship depending on the rank/skill/reputation of the players, it could be a shuttle craft / runabout or a frigate / cruiser / galaxy class / soveriegn class? and more ships depending on the group size and make up. I am thinking 50 per ship but it would have to be tested


    There should also be a open ended playing galaxy to explore. Where depending on rank your able to aquire a ship and go to other areas of the galaxy to more difficult areas, nebula's, worm holes, etc...
    This is just some basic ideas of course there are different races and what if any pvp will be allowed, and all the things developers get paid to figure out. I couldn't imagine running into the Borg gah they would cause havoc.

    Would I play a Star Trak mmorpg? YES::::28::

    Just some thoughts

  • AnnekynnAnnekynn Member Posts: 1,437

    I think Paramount should allow for the creation of a ST MMRPG for the very reason that most of the previous games have been crud and the franchise has been sagging a lot lately. A very well done mmrpg could help revitalize the franchise and possibly bring in new fans.

    The problem is WHO could create such a game? EA definately not. SOE probably not. Blizzard has its own franchises. Turbine is busy with their projects. So that doesnt leave very many experienced studios available to take such a project.

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  • Originally posted by Annekynn

    I think Paramount should allow for the creation of a ST MMRPG for the very reason that most of the previous games have been crud and the franchise has been sagging a lot lately. A very well done mmrpg could help revitalize the franchise and possibly bring in new fans.
    The problem is WHO could create such a game? EA definately not. SOE probably not. Blizzard has its own franchises. Turbine is busy with their projects. So that doesnt leave very many experienced studios available to take such a project.
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  • killerTwinkiekillerTwinkie Member CommonPosts: 1,694
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  • lordthrawnlordthrawn Member Posts: 276

    I def would have to say no.  I mean everybody would have the same phaser just different settings(stun, or kill) and what about customization.  Look at the enterprise I mean how big is that ship and its only got TWO laser and proton torpedos...no wonder they get their ass kicked all the time.

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    but really in all seriousness no.

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  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384




    Originally posted by lordthrawn 

     I mean everybody would have the same phaser just different settings(stun, or kill) and what about customization. 

    You dont have to use a phaser to "kill" things only.  You could use starships, fighter ships, etc (I think theyre are currently over 100 different types of ships out there, and not to mention alien weapons, etc)

    Look at the enterprise I mean how big is that ship and its only got TWO laser and proton torpedos...no wonder they get their ass kicked all the time.

    The Enterprise has 36 Phaser banks, 4 torpedo tubes in the front and in the rear, 4 pulse cannons. image



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  • NCX-ChargerNCX-Charger Member Posts: 23

    Thats where the FPS aspect comes in - because you can choose to use particle weapons which are less accurate but pack more of a punch, that RPG thingy that Worf had in the crappy movie, and a host of alien weapons (Quark's cousin the arms dealer anyone?)

    Erm... which Enterprise are we talking about here? There were 6 of them... lol

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  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384



    Originally posted by NCX-Charger
    Erm... which Enterprise are we talking about here? There were 6 of them... lol



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  • NCX-ChargerNCX-Charger Member Posts: 23

    Radically different ships - but each having different missions - and that will be the primary example when chosing a ship. You wouldn't take a Galaxy class to fight a war (remember the effectiveness vs the Dominion?) - you would take a Defiant or Sovereign class. Likewise you wouldn't use a Defiant class to explore a planet (despite what they wanted you to think on DS9!)

    Just a thought :)

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  • mervmerv Member Posts: 8


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    Seem's to be a lot of good ideas being thrown around but nobody but captain xplororor wants to try to develop this.

    Iv'e contacted Paramount and Activsion about what it would take for
    A) to get permission for using the star trek name characters and ships.
    B) how to develop an MMORPG with the kind of world and universe that we have descussed here in this forum
    C) is there someone thay could recommend to me to help me with this massive prodject if they are not prepared to help.

    But I have had no reply as yet from either and it's been a week all ready but i have found the original MMORPG that i asked about but it is still in a long state of development but i did contact them and put forward some ideas as they ask for but our ideas are not what they want and it looks to me as if it's a big con to get people to think they are helping when there not because the developers once again are not listening to what the people want ::::16::



    If any one has got the knowlage in this forum PLEASE HELP for the sake of all us trekkies who want to live the dream.

    Thanx merv

  • XiraXira Member Posts: 437

    First you'd need a few million in the bank as "proof of commitment" the owners of the copyright will even look at you.

    Then you need to pony up a couple million more to buy the liscence.

  • SketchSketch Member UncommonPosts: 337

    or a few million in investments, then you can get the title of "producer" (if they'll talk to you.) then they will want a heavy demographics report, nothing opinionated will do. They want to hear ten of thousands+ say they want it.

    But it still doesn't sound like an interesting game. Do a day job on a ship? or a day job on a station or outpost?... ST is very based on exploration and crew, so you more then likley end up with a character with a day job you'd have to play out to do it correctly.

    And the the real downside. If you joined the federation you'd have to start off as esign Ricky in the red shirt.. and if you beam down you just down five mins later dr.mcoy will be standing over you saying "he's dead jim"...


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  • SpyroStormSpyroStorm Member Posts: 20

    nah if there was death, I would say if the player took apon too much damage and become incapacitated I would make no respawn methods but, if the health reaches 0 and they become incompacited they egt emergency beamed to the nearest medical facility. As they do in star trek their doctors can revive them if they have brain cells left, well thats a good idea for death system.....

    I say if you start out as a cadet, oyu go through npc tutorials at the academy and than after your done most of that sutff you get commisioned as an Ensign, and get assigned to a starship or sumthing like that would be cool. The more excellent work you do you get promoted but when you get promoted the work gets harder and you must do a lot more...

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  • SketchSketch Member UncommonPosts: 337
    see that sounds fine for a single player game where you can follow a linear story but an MMO would be very tough based on that.

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  • AckbarAckbar Member UncommonPosts: 927

    I think a system similiar to the realm system in DAOC should be implemented.

    Albion = Federation

    Midgard = The Dominion

    Hibernia = ?????

    Something like that i say those would be the different sides because they are so diverse. Others like the klingons and the romulans would consist of just that and i think players would desire a variety of races. Perhaps klingons could play as federation a la worf and Romulans as Dominion?

    There should be the equivalent of "realm" space where people are safe from enemy attack and frontier space aka "the neutral zone" or possibly the ds9 related systems and the systems on the other side of the worm hole. The battles would be over space stations and bases and cities on planets. Control the station or the majority of the planet you get production bonuses for creating new ships xp bonuses etc. Control certain weapons research stations you can get better equipment etc. Big incentives for pvp there for people who want.

    The game doesnt just have to center around pvp it would absolutely need an amazing mission system designed for both groups and single players. Depending on you rank and occupation youll recieve research exploration or combat missions of vary degrees of difficulty from your realm leaders.

    I think they might be able to do this game with one engine. If they couldnt it would be pretty harsh switching between internal ship graphics and space graphics.

    Ambitious but not unexeperienced game developers please make this game now.

     

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  • mphilipsmphilips Member Posts: 24

      Hmm, hang on, why would you want everyone to automatically start in Starfleet or even the Federation? I think that it should be a lot more realistic. I think it would be way more enjoyable if people had the option of joining Starfleet if they agree'd with how they ran things. In star fleet they could be assigned a ship to join ..etc.. basically what you've been talking about.  Or maybe if they are Klingon they want to join the empire, still in the Federation (I think) but they'd be issued different weapons and ships to join.

      If i remember correctly, other races have their own forms of monies, so someone with enough ambition could easily earn the money for a basic one or two man ship. Obviously they would be no match for a starfleet vessel if they decided to attack but it opens up so many possibilities for things to do.

      The only problem with a game that is anyway like ST should be, is that unless you are friends with people on the ships there will be a lot of times when people just screw you over and ruin the whole experience by not performing their duty.

  • UmbroodUmbrood Member UncommonPosts: 1,809

    Well i would play as a Romulan tailor and in one swift move revolutionise thier entire fashion system cause DAUMN them things look like italian suits from the 80's...

    Or a Ferengi that would make Quark look like mother Theresa.

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  • jimothypetrojimothypetro Member Posts: 1,437

    Bump :P

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  • TookyGTookyG Warhammer Online CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,115



    Originally posted by jimothypetro

    Bump :P




    Bump indeed! image  I'm glad to see someone has started development of a Star Trek MMO.

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  • OtlanoOtlano Member Posts: 139

    I wonder how they are gonna do this. Is it going to be like the last Star Trek rpg (Task Force I think it was called) where you roleplay Away Team members? Maybe Freelancers or non capital ship crews. I don't see how becoming capital ship officer(aka the main characters in all the series except DS9) will work.


    Edit: Okay I thought of how they can do it but it seems so limited.

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384



    Originally posted by TookyG
    2 1/2 -3 years until the game comes out though! image



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  • AnnekynnAnnekynn Member Posts: 1,437

    "It will follow a person, not a ship, although Perpetual has not decided whether or not it will be from a third- or first-person perspective."

    Yawn. Whatever. This is exactly what I did NOT want in a trek mmrpg. I want SHIPS, not people running around planets phasering everything and shoving tricorders up each others rectums.

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  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384



    Originally posted by Annekynn

    Yawn. Whatever. This is exactly what I did NOT want in a trek mmrpg. I want SHIPS, not people running around planets phasering everything and shoving tricorders up each others rectums.




    You're dead set on hating this mmorpg already. What's sad about all that is, they haven't even hired a team yet, havent even started on coding or anything lol, and you're already hating it.

    That tells me you have already set a predispensational viewpoint on this game by reading two paragraphs.  LOL, this, in my opinion, is 1000 times worse than having someone actually play a mmorpg for 5 minutes then saying they hate it.

    Before saying this game will spoof, die, and wither away...give it some time. Holy cow lol they just started it, none of us has any right to say how it'll suck because we purely do not have any information (besides two pragraphs of theoritical text) to say otherwise.


    Originally posted by WizGamer
    Now hear me out, its just an opinion, I don't want yours. .

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