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Hurricane IKE
daeandor
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So, I'm curious that people are not discussing this here even remotely. Maybe it's because I am affected by the storm, but it seems fairly significant when America's 4th largest city is shut down for 3 days and will continue for possibly the next week or more. That and the fact that several .US cities and towns have been wiped nearly entirely off the map and the total devistation will actually rival Katrina.
Just for discussion: Have we gotten so used to Hurrican's wrecking havoc on the gulf coast, that it barely warrants mention past landfall? The market lost billions of dollars today, however billions of dollars were also lost on Saturday when flooding wiped Galveston, Orange, Kemah, and Bridge City away.
Anyhow, I'm just curious of people's thoughts. Check out the slideshows on www.click2houston.com if you want to see what happened. Heck, it's three days later and there are barely any pictures of Galveston since the only people allowed out there are still government helicopters, National Guardsmen, and first responders.
Don't be surprised if I don't respond as my cellphone coverage is weak and it is rare that I can get an internet connection through it. I would like to know your thoughts though.
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I don't think that the hurricane Ike damage is forgotten.
This morning's Today show (NBC) had Dan Lauer in Galveston showing the damage. Frankly, I doubt the limited view of a TV camera can capture the true scope of the disaster. They also discussed how long it will take to get Houston up and under power. On a local scale, it was announced that Detroit Edison had dispatched utility crews to assist in Houston. So, no, you have not been forgotten by the rest of the nation.
In addition, with just under one third of the US refining capacity shut down, Americans wil be reminded of Hurricane Ike at the pump for a quite some time to come.
As to these forums, Hurricane Ike can strike, the economy can fail, the supercollider can turn earth into a giant black black hole, peace could break out in the Middle East with Palestinians hugging Israelis, the Detroit Lions could be 2-0, and all the posters will continue to argue about is Sara Palin and the election.
You would get much more attention if you titled this thread, "Sara Palin's perspective on Hurricane Ike damage".
Ike has come up all the way to the Midwest! The winds were pretty bad here, I can't imagine how bad it must be to be in hurricanes.
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My power was out for over 24 hours because of Ike, I didn't get to see alot of the coverage. I have been really concerned about those kids in ICU transported from the childrens hospitals there, I heard some of them were transported to College station .. and then they had to evacuate college station. I hope they were able to have them all transported safely. We have alot of evacuees in this area as well, I feel so for those families that have lost everything. Last I heard there were 21 deaths, but I haven't heard a recent toll. I feel for all of those families that have lost loved ones, and hope that number stays down. I am thankful that most took this storm seriously and took the proper precautions to save lives. I think that is the reason you have not heard as much about it, unlike Katrina people did what they were supposed to for the most part. The damage is devestating, and our state will not recover for some time to come from this destruction. I hope we can pull together as a community to help all through these difficult times.
my take on Ike is im glad its off the news if it is that is. Hurricanes striking places where Hurricanes strikes isn't news to me. I feel for everyone who suffers down there but reality is if you dont want it to happen to you dont live there. Every year a hurricane destorys some place and every year we just move back to those areas. so what do people expect? Weathers a Motha Frack but life goes on.
edit but to answer your question i think its not on the news because the amount of people that died is differant. destruction was a givin but the death toll plays a part in the news distrubution of the events.
Lmao Umm Where the Fudge do you live? A cave? Bad things happen to every corner of the USA. There are NO safe spots to call home here.
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Lmao Umm Where the Fudge do you live? A cave? Bad things happen to every corner of the USA. There are NO safe spots to call home here.
He is referring to the very stupid group of people that will let there house get destroyed year after year but refuse to move. In the mid west you have these same idiots whose houses flood year after year but never ever move for some stupid reason like 'Our kids like it here.' In some cases with the amount of money these people spend rebuilding there house they could of bought a new house in a far better location. To a certain point I stop feeling sorry for them. It's mother natures way of punishing them for being stubborn.
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Lmao Umm Where the Fudge do you live? A cave? Bad things happen to every corner of the USA. There are NO safe spots to call home here.
He is referring to the very stupid group of people that will let there house get destroyed year after year but refuse to move. In the mid west you have these same idiots whose houses flood year after year but never ever move for some stupid reason like 'Our kids like it here.' In some cases with the amount of money these people spend rebuilding there house they could of bought a new house in a far better location. To a certain point I stop feeling sorry for them. It's mother natures way of punishing them for being stubborn.
Any idea what the main industry is in the Houston area? Any idea what those offshore platforms in the Gulf of Mexico are doing there? Any idea why about one third of the US oil refining capacity is located in that area? Any idea of the logistical support that goes into maintaining that industry, as well as support for the people and their families that work in that industry?
People like to live where they work. You are asking them to move their houses and families further away from their jobs. Ever been in traffic in Houston?
I don't think we will be walking away from the Gulf of Mexico area anytime soon, at least not until the last drop of oil has been pumped from the ground.
Lmao Umm Where the Fudge do you live? A cave? Bad things happen to every corner of the USA. There are NO safe spots to call home here.
He is referring to the very stupid group of people that will let there house get destroyed year after year but refuse to move. In the mid west you have these same idiots whose houses flood year after year but never ever move for some stupid reason like 'Our kids like it here.' In some cases with the amount of money these people spend rebuilding there house they could of bought a new house in a far better location. To a certain point I stop feeling sorry for them. It's mother natures way of punishing them for being stubborn.
Any idea what the main industry is in the Houston area? Any idea what those offshore platforms in the Gulf of Mexico are doing there? Any idea why about one third of the US oil refining capacity is located in that area? Any idea of the logistical support that goes into maintaining that industry, as well as support for the people and their families that work in that industry?
People like to live where they work. You are asking them to move their houses and families further away from their jobs. Ever been in traffic in Houston?
I don't think we will be walking away from the Gulf of Mexico area anytime soon, at least not until the last drop of oil has been pumped from the ground.
I'm not asking them to go anywhere or do anything if those people feel that there house getting ruined every year in the gulf is worth it for the job then fine stay. Personally for me after my house getting damaged after the 6th or 7th time I would probably move if at all possible, or as soon as possible. I met several people when I used to live in Indiana where in which if they moved 3 miles in any direction but west there house wouldn't get flooded every single year. But no... there's no learning curve with these people, it's very hard to feel sorry for them
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Lmao Umm Where the Fudge do you live? A cave? Bad things happen to every corner of the USA. There are NO safe spots to call home here.
He is referring to the very stupid group of people that will let there house get destroyed year after year but refuse to move. In the mid west you have these same idiots whose houses flood year after year but never ever move for some stupid reason like 'Our kids like it here.' In some cases with the amount of money these people spend rebuilding there house they could of bought a new house in a far better location. To a certain point I stop feeling sorry for them. It's mother natures way of punishing them for being stubborn.
Actually these people are rebuilding with insurance money and donations and tax payer funds. It is sad that premiums continue to mount because of retards who love water, they need to live in the ocean for all I care. The people who live on a flood plain and get flooded every couple years or so and lose just about everything and decide to rebuild there just because they get to rebuild with free money essentially, need to pay for that stupidity. These folks are why insurances are so high today.
What our government needs to do is do some surveys of all land areas that take flood, tornado, and possible hurricane damage and institute a large tax on these areas if you live in these zones. The tax would be high enough to make people think twice about living there.
The tax rate would be in line with total cost in damages received in years past and possible damage to come. Such as land near the coasts that get hit by hurricanes. An area that gets tornadoes often with lots of destruction might get a higher tax, while a flood area that gets flooded once every few years gets lower tax. A high flood area that gets yearly floods and damages property those people would get a very high tax. Coastal people who never got hit by a hurricane but had some damage from storm winds would get a minimal tax to live there and if they ever got hit the next year would be a full tax on that area. These taxes could lower over time with no instances of any reported damages in area after a set regulated time.
We need to do something because insurances are getting harder to afford.
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this is why i liked living in Arizona. No tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes or anything. Just heat.
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I do not live on the coast .. I live East of Dallas and my power was out for 24 hours due to ike.. no serious damage luckily, some wind damage, but many people even far inland felt this.. Yes of course the coast was devestated, and no not everyone who is there can leave it. If we abandoned the coast.. can you imagine what your prices on gas would climb to?!! This hurricane affected many lives, not just those living in low lying areas, many tornados and strong winds come from hurricanes no matter how far inland you may live. I do feel for all those who have suffered through this tragedy. No matter where you choose to live there are dangers of living in that area, whether it is earthquakes, drought, tornados, hurricanes, volcanos, avalanches, wildfires or any other natural disaster we should pull together and help one another . This is a living moving planet we live on, and there is no such thing as a "safe " place. Each area has it's own set of problems, regardless where you live there are plenty of things that can happen. I am thankful that the people took the proper precautions this time so that that the loss of life was not far worse.
Lmao Umm Where the Fudge do you live? A cave? Bad things happen to every corner of the USA. There are NO safe spots to call home here.
He is referring to the very stupid group of people that will let there house get destroyed year after year but refuse to move. In the mid west you have these same idiots whose houses flood year after year but never ever move for some stupid reason like 'Our kids like it here.' In some cases with the amount of money these people spend rebuilding there house they could of bought a new house in a far better location. To a certain point I stop feeling sorry for them. It's mother natures way of punishing them for being stubborn.
Actually these people are rebuilding with insurance money and donations and tax payer funds. It is sad that premiums continue to mount because of retards who love water, they need to live in the ocean for all I care. The people who live on a flood plain and get flooded every couple years or so and lose just about everything and decide to rebuild there just because they get to rebuild with free money essentially, need to pay for that stupidity. These folks are why insurances are so high today.
What our government needs to do is do some surveys of all land areas that take flood, tornado, and possible hurricane damage and institute a large tax on these areas if you live in these zones. The tax would be high enough to make people think twice about living there.
The tax rate would be in line with total cost in damages received in years past and possible damage to come. Such as land near the coasts that get hit by hurricanes. An area that gets tornadoes often with lots of destruction might get a higher tax, while a flood area that gets flooded once every few years gets lower tax. A high flood area that gets yearly floods and damages property those people would get a very high tax. Coastal people who never got hit by a hurricane but had some damage from storm winds would get a minimal tax to live there and if they ever got hit the next year would be a full tax on that area. These taxes could lower over time with no instances of any reported damages in area after a set regulated time.
We need to do something because insurances are getting harder to afford.
Then we would be all liveing with tvalentine and BushMonkey. Taxing the people to move Isent gana help when there are what? four areas in the country that arnt gana get hit? and Most of them Kinda Suck. thats why so few people live there in the first place.
And rember this is the First Major huracane that has hit Houston in the last 25 years. and were ABOVE sealevel. Hell back in the 1900's when galvaston was hit we built the Sea wall. That protected them pritty well for Just over a Hundred years.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
If you really wanted to get in the limelight, you needed to tell a whole bunch of minorities to hold up in the Astrodome, then flood the area around it until it was like an island in the middle of the floodwaters. Then wait a couple of days.
THEN you would get Katrina-level coverage as the networks make a killing off the human misery angle. As it is, Wall Street crashes seem to be more exciting.
You had your chance, you blew it with (mostly) responsible decision-making and well-organized support. Hopefully, you'll have learnt your lesson for next time.
Then we would be all liveing with tvalentine and BushMonkey. Taxing the people to move Isent gana help when there are what? four areas in the country that arnt gana get hit? and Most of them Kinda Suck. thats why so few people live there in the first place.
And rember this is the First Major huracane that has hit Houston in the last 25 years. and were ABOVE sealevel. Hell back in the 1900's when galvaston was hit we built the Sea wall. That protected them pritty well for Just over a Hundred years.
Taxing the people that live in that area would only raise the price of Gas since many of those people work for our oil companies, and if they cannot afford to live there they would have to raise salaries in order to make it so they could, thus we would be paying for it at the pump. Ike took the same path that the Storm of 1900, where we had lost 8,000- 12,000 lives , So far I have only seen a death toll of 25, which I would say due to the size and power of this storm that is very low. With education and taking proper measures to keep people safe we saved many lives. Saying we should tax them because a hurricane will happen is the same as saying we should tax everyone who lives along the mississippi because they live on the new madrid fault line and there is a devestating earthquake due there any time now ... In that case we should also tax anyone who lives in the woods because a forrest fire will happen eventually, and tax everyone who lives in any of the states in tornado alley because tornados will hit there as well.. why don't we tax the people in the desert because we know they will run out of water eventually, and tax people near mountains because there will be an avalanche sooner or later.. so basically when your done taxing everyone for natural disasters .. you will have taxed everyone indeed. DOH!
dae sugarland here yea it seems most folk s think that only Galveston is affected. There is wide spread damage the grocery stores are not being restocked there is little to no gas due to the power grid downed.
So very few can get gas, to include those that would bring in the supplies. There is cooler weather now but what about the weekend and folks are sick of no help no response? We see tons of yaking talking heads but little to no information outside of houston that also got hit very hard.
While even if you did stock up before June 1 supplies run low after a few days.
Gosh hungry for a bath real food a cup of coffee and cable. I swear i am not sure i will ever watch local news again.
As i look around out neighborhood it does not look the same. So keep us that are struggling with little of life basic needs keep us in your good thoughts.......
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Taxing the people that live in that area would only raise the price of Gas since many of those people work for our oil companies, and if they cannot afford to live there they would have to raise salaries in order to make it so they could, thus we would be paying for it at the pump. Ike took the same path that the Storm of 1900, where we had lost 8,000- 12,000 lives , So far I have only seen a death toll of 25, which I would say due to the size and power of this storm that is very low. With education and taking proper measures to keep people safe we saved many lives. Saying we should tax them because a hurricane will happen is the same as saying we should tax everyone who lives along the mississippi because they live on the new madrid fault line and there is a devestating earthquake due there any time now ... In that case we should also tax anyone who lives in the woods because a forrest fire will happen eventually, and tax everyone who lives in any of the states in tornado alley because tornados will hit there as well.. why don't we tax the people in the desert because we know they will run out of water eventually, and tax people near mountains because there will be an avalanche sooner or later.. so basically when your done taxing everyone for natural disasters .. you will have taxed everyone indeed. DOH!
Thanks for agreeing with me I think..
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
I hope you guys pull through okay, I feel for all of those who have suffered and are continuing to suffer. Of course Galeveston was not the only place affected this was a 600- 800 mile wide hurricane, I don;t think everyone seems to realize how far inland and how much damage this has done to so many areas, not just low lying areas. The devastaion is horrific. So many lost so much, and so many are currently suffering. The coastal cities were evacuated but then the areas that many were evacuated to were also evacuated, for so many there was just no place to go, they already were inland and if they were to try and get out of it's path they would have only been caught on the road. The gas crisis has left people stranded, and still as I last heard are still without power even in areas that were not evacuated. I hope you guys get the help you need there soon.
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you guys are on your own. no outpouring of media support for you!
Ike dun fucked sum shit up.
GL Daendor, wish you well.
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Some interesting comments.
Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to be a media whore for the area. It just seemed one of the first times I came into forums (not just here) after a disaster and didn't see at least one thread on the subject. The biggest reason I was curious is because the national news seems to be focused on Galveston, when the cities east of Houston like Baytown, Beaumont, Orange, Bridge City, etc all got hit incredibly hard with storm surge and flooding which they didn't even see when they were hit with Katrina and Rita (both of which hit closer than Ike). I will say that of the 10 closest friends my wife and I have in the immediate area of Ike, 2 had their houses completely flooded, 2 had significant wind damage, 1 had significant damage due to tree damage, and 1 had minor flooding to their primary residence. The rest only had minor wind damage. In fact, we were the only people we knew that didn't have at least minor damage to their primary residence. At this point I have only seen my primary residence, however my renters are all reporting minor damage to fences and roofs. Due to conditions in the city and lack of fuel, I have been unable to inspect all my homes personally though, and I suspect that my one vacant rental got flooded since I couldn't get to it by vehicle last Sunday due to flooding.
Oh, as a side note, most of the people I mentioned above have lived in the area for more than 10 years and this is the first damage they have seen from a storm or hurricane. Most have lived in SE Texas for most their lives and never seen damage like this to their homes. The above comment brought to you by the people who think people stay there after their homes get destroyed year in and year out.
As far as the Houston area, most of it is not considered a flood plane by the Feds. Most of the area is significantly above sea level 150+ feet, and only the coastal areas are really the ones that are normally susceptable to flooding. As far as taxing the area, well, in a sense we do: our insurance premiums go up every time a hurricane even comes close, most areas pay the second tier flood insurance (there are like 4-5 tiers of flood insurance depending on the area, second tier being 1 step better than living in New Orleans or the Mississipi river valleys), etc.
Good luck in Sugarland. Theoretically, you should be getting power back soon, but the fuel is going to continue to be an issue I fear. I sent my family out to Austin last Thursday morning and I have returned in failed attempts to get eyes on my different properties so I can start filing claims. Tonight I returned to Austin and am going to hold off returning until I get more news since the conditions are so poor and my returning only hurts the recovery process rather than helps. Maybe I will get power in one of the houses and I can return to Houston by the end of the week.
Yea, the only news I have really seen is on Houston and Galveston, when there truely are so many areas totally devestated right now. As of yesterday I was hearing about the 4 mile long lines in Houston for FEMA, and how many were turning away from the line because FEMA was out of food and water anyhow. The people there have no fuel, no power, no food , or water. There were many small children in that line, apparently FEMA ran out of food and water after feeding over 100,000 people. Others were saying they had been given food that needed to be cooked , and with no means to cook it so it wasn't helping them much. There are still millions without power, I hope things improve today. Those in North Texas who wish to help these people can help by :
Visiting neighborhood Kroger, Tom Thumb and Albertsons grocery stores and purchasing pre-packaged needed items. Customers can leave their bags at the store, and they will be donated to the North Texas Food Bank.
•Dropping off donations at the North Texas Food Bank at 4500 South Cockrell Hill Road.
•Calling 214-330-1396 to schedule a food or fund drive.
•Donating online at ntfb.org
items needed for family food boxes:
•Fruit juices
•Canned meats
•Beef stew
•Chunk light tuna in water
•Pork and beans
•Canned soup
•Canned vegetables
•Canned fruit
•Spaghetti in tomato sauce
•Dried beans
•Dried rice
•No glass containers
I am not sure about where to go in other areas to help but I am sure if you call these people they can direct you to where you need to go in your area. I got this information from the Dallas Morning news.
I also found the link for the Houston Food bank:
www.houstonfoodbank.org/
You can make donations directly through them .If you are in the Houston area and can help :
"Bring donations of food to the Houston Food Bank at 3811 Eastex Freeway between 7 a.m. -7 p.m. You can bring food into the lobby or leave it in collection bins along the front of our building.
Volunteers are welcome from 8 a.m. – 5 p.m. every day. When the curfews are lifted, we will need your help later into the evening. Register in advance online, or on arrival.
We also need leaders: if you’re willing to make a longer-term commitment to serve in a leadership role with fellow volunteers, let us know!
Get more information from the volunteer link on the website. "
I hope everyone gets the help they need and quick, these people have been suffering for days now, and will continue to have great hardship for a while to come.