The population drop is not surprising at all, especially with a game as big as Warhammer coming; everyone and their mothers is going to be trying it out. But do not worry, once the Mines of Moria expansion comes out for LOTRO, you will be waiting in lines to get into the server
Not in my case. I played LoTRO since release. I enjoyed it a lot. However in my few days in WAR I am having more fun then in any other mmo I have played. This new game excitment may pale a bit in the future but WAR is so well made that Mines of Moria and WotLK will bring me back to LOTRO or WoW. I will keep playing EQ2 since it offers something for me that WaR does not and that is a feeling my characters are living in this huge persistent world. I limit myself to only two games at a time and both LoTRO and WoW have been removed from my computer. For the next few months it will be WAR and EQ2. I am waiting to see how Chronicles of Spellbourne plays out. LoTRO had its chance Turbine made a really nice game but something is missing for me to keep me in it in the face of some a very good game like WAR. I do not see myself ever playing it again.
I enjoyed AoC for the first week or two when it came out. Then I got out into the larger world, the nerfs started, the crashes started, the lack of content started and in a month it was boring as hell. I came back to lotro and here I well stay.
The thing I have noticed about PvP of any type is how it can make an adult into a child in nothing flat. Another aspect of the game which never interested me after playing AoC.
MoM will bring a lot of people back and if it is half the game being hinted at it should pretty much keep people from here out. I would say one thing, Turbine needs to get the word out, they have failed on one front, that is in advertising.
And I hit 50,000 on the post, do I get a booby prise?
Don't make the mistake of comapring your experience in AoC (which I played) and the experience I am having in WAR. If you try to compare the two, then decide to stay in LoTRO and not try WAR because of the bad taste AoC gave you. You will miss out on a really fantastic game. WAR will not be a two week game like AoC turned out to be. I still think that game has possibilities but WAR is a totally different deal. LoTRO is a great game but Mythic won and sold me on WAR. So much so I will not be going back to LoTRO MoM does not even interest me anymore. With sadness and respect I made my last ride accross Middle Earth. Much of my time there was fun but the fun I am having in WAR is epic in comparision.
What I really hate about War and why it couldn't get me with wild wargs dragging me to it kicking and screaming is the overall look of the game. I have no desired to play an updated WoW.
People who compare it to WOW really don't deserve to play WAR. So i would say good you left. Anyone with sense enough to distingush knows that its nothing like WOW. Unless green orcs in every MMORPG makes it a copy of WOW. Try to get informed first before you make such idotic comments. It makes you look silly.
GRAPHICS. I hate the look. As for every game. First Orcs are LOTR period, and personally I like what they've done. Differences abound in the types of Orcs.
I don't like the graphics or War which to me looks like an updated WoW. If people like that more power to them. It isn't my cup of tea.
Not surprising that a boring (trolling much?) game like LOTRO gets hit hard when a new game comes out. Of course many will come back and Moria will help also, but if lotro was thrilling as it should be they would not have left in such numbers at all. When a game hooks me, I usually dont need to try another.
Snorf
Fixed it for you.
What you wrote is definitely not true for many of us. I try and beta every game I can have access to, done it with AOC, couldn't get into it for WAR but will definitely do the trial if there will be one. I also re-started Ryzom, and I used to play 9dragons and Perfect World as well.
Still, I keep sticking to LOTRO as it remains the best by far for my needs - and a large amount of peeps will be coming back from WAR too, just they did from AoC - in fact, the AoC fiasco meant quite a handful of new subs for LOTRO.
DB
(btw, all your posts from the last several months are pure LOTRO-bashing. You want to talk about it?)
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
The only reason LOTRO isn't the huge success it should be is simply because Turbine doesn't advertise.
When's the last time you saw a LOTRO Ad? Exactly.
They seem to be trying to change as they've put in 1 Ad in PC Gamer and are now under a new distributor WB.
If they got off their asses and properly marketed this game it'd blow up to a million subscibers easily. Most people are unaware this game even exists.
Not all servers are having population problems either. If you feel like your population isn't where you want it on your server then transfer to a more populated one. They're out there.
Not surprising that a boring game like LOTRO gets hit hard when a new game comes out. Of course many will come back and Moria will help also, but if lotro was thrilling as it should be they would not have left in such numbers at all. When a game hooks you, you usually dont need to try another.
Snorf
So just not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this post. LOTRO is a good quality game and I do believe its not for everyone there is no need to bash it. People will try new products form time to time and thats great if they didnt we would all be playing the same game. How lame would that be the problem you dont see here is that differnt people like different things.
No need to come to a forum of a game you dont like and spread hate.
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I have not played LOTRO in quite a while. I am returning today and have no desire to play WAR right now. This game is great, that is why I am coming back.
Not surprising that a boring game like LOTRO gets hit hard when a new game comes out. Of course many will come back and Moria will help also, but if lotro was thrilling as it should be they would not have left in such numbers at all. When a game hooks you, you usually dont need to try another.
Snorf
Thanks for your opinion on the game, duly noted that you find it boring. Just cause you find it boring doesn't meen it is to everyone. I find loud mouth overbearing woman boring but i don't go around bashing them because of my opinion.
WAR released today and BANG, we loose 12 players from guild. Emails and personal messages of goodbye and goodluck. Usually at 2 pm afternoon things begin to get going. But for last couple of days it seems population took a good hit. Even in evening during the peak times its hard to get a group. OOC, TRADE channels which are usually busy are very quite. Is it just me or anyone else noticed it? population was never really great to begin with but now its even harder to get fellowship. Not to even mention HELEGROD 24 man group. I play on Snowbourn EU one of the two most populated servers.
I think the problem is that LOTRO is a more sublime game and one where people have been at level cap for a while and who have done most of the content. It's hard to maintain a steady level of excitement until the next update.
I do play LOTRO but haven't logged in as much as I just don't want to do quests for very little reward. This is not to say I wouldn't enjoy the quests but I would rather just pick up when I can further my character. To that point, I've made some money in game and have been working on the book quests slowly but sure. I got to level cap by mostly doing the side quests apart from the book quests. The game allows for very leisurely leveling. And so even with that I imagine that many people have played through it all. Nothing wrong with that.
When the expansion comes out you will see more people. As far as War goes, I'm actually playing it and I like it very much. It's different from LOTRO as you can imagine and won't be for everyone.
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For my part(and i think others as well) it is the bad character system and animations that saw me leave and not come back, nothing to do with any other specific game.
For my part(and i think others as well) it is the bad character system and animations that saw me leave and not come back, nothing to do with any other specific game.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) is *not* bad. Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
For my part(and i think others as well) it is the bad character system and animations that saw me leave and not come back, nothing to do with any other specific game.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) is *not* bad. Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!
DB
And.. you should finally chill out. Stop being so critical of his post and others. He posted an opinion, that's fine. Accusing him of trolling is nonsense too. Some of you need to relax and stop jumping on everyone who is critical of LotRO. Not everyone is going to have the same opinions or feelings on this game, learn to live with it.
As for the topic, yes, some servers are probably lower population, but that should be expected with LotRO, especially when there's only one raid that's ever used, and group dungeons that are rarely used. The only other options at level 50 would be... making an alt, pvmp, roleplay, and socialize. Out of those choices, PvMP is all i did.
There is no gear progression system in LotRO. There is no incentive to keep playing your level 50...until the new book comes out, or when the expansion comes out.
Simply put, the only "end-game" for gear is Rift and Ettenmoors. When compared to other MMO's, you get more end-game raids and dungeons in WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and even AoC.
And before any rabid fanboy starts attacking me, i just want to let you know that i re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago and am already a level 41 champ, because i do enjoy this game, but i can accept why others do not.
For my part(and i think others as well) it is the bad character system and animations that saw me leave and not come back, nothing to do with any other specific game.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) is *not* bad. Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!
DB
And.. you should finally chill out. Stop being so critical of his post and others. He posted an opinion, that's fine. Accusing him of trolling is nonsense too. Some of you need to relax and stop jumping on everyone who is critical of LotRO. Not everyone is going to have the same opinions or feelings on this game, learn to live with it.
As for the topic, yes, some servers are probably lower population, but that should be expected with LotRO, especially when there's only one raid that's ever used, and group dungeons that are rarely used. The only other options at level 50 would be... making an alt, pvmp, roleplay, and socialize. Out of those choices, PvMP is all i did.
There is no gear progression system in LotRO. There is no incentive to keep playing your level 50...until the new book comes out, or when the expansion comes out.
Simply put, the only "end-game" for gear is Rift and Ettenmoors. When compared to other MMO's, you get more end-game raids and dungeons in WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and even AoC.
And before any rabid fanboy starts attacking me, i just want to let you know that i re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago and am already a level 41 champ, because i do enjoy this game, but i can accept why others do not.
Nobody accused anyone of trolling, and you did not get my point either.
There is a world of difference between saying a) i have found XYZ game to be crap and b) XYZ game IS crap.
a) is an opinion and I will respect that,
b) is trolling (intentional or not), and I will keep on pointing that out.
It might not mean a difference to you or we can argue about semantics, but my point stands. Opinions matter, but they need to be stated AS opinions, not as axyoms.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
In my kin on Eldar 5 players including me are playing also WAR, still on prestart key although i have CE edition still unused.
Maybe 1 or 3 might leave it for WAR. Some other players left for WAR on Eldar but also noticed new players and some transfers. Some players from french server joined on our server, creep side. Now we have fights between 2-3 creep raids and 2 freep raids in EM, sometimes even more.
From friends that would think to change on WAR there are a lot that are afraid to jump from start. AOC lesson was bad. So they wait what will happen in 2-3 months.
BTW, plyers that don't like animation in LOTRO, can you atleast post 2-3 words, why you think its bad?
As for the topic, yes, some servers are probably lower population, but that should be expected with LotRO, especially when there's only one raid that's ever used, and group dungeons that are rarely used. The only other options at level 50 would be... making an alt, pvmp, roleplay, and socialize. Out of those choices, PvMP is all i did. There is no gear progression system in LotRO. There is no incentive to keep playing your level 50...until the new book comes out, or when the expansion comes out. Simply put, the only "end-game" for gear is Rift and Ettenmoors. When compared to other MMO's, you get more end-game raids and dungeons in WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and even AoC. And before any rabid fanboy starts attacking me, i just want to let you know that i re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago and am already a level 41 champ, because i do enjoy this game, but i can accept why others do not.
I agree and disagree
End game progression have been LotrOs big weeknes (and Ive played since launch)... but thats because it isnt as gear oriented as some other games and if content meens getting new gear than LotrO will not keep you happy for long... But Book 14 introduced som big changes to Loot in group dungeons and also new traits/titles for them so I must say that LotrO have become better with giving people stuf to do when lvl 50
But I hope they start paying more attention to "End Game" with Mines of Moria
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
From the sounds of MOM the legendary weapons will be a big end game activity. These weapons will have to be lvl'd up and you can always find one better than you got and have to start lvling it too. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
As far as I am concerned this past week WAR has gained a sub from me, but that certainly does not mean LOTRO lost one from me either. I'm keeping both of these games going as I like them both for different reasons.
So you might not see me on LOTRO as much right now, but my money is still going into the game and I still log in and play here and there. It also helps I have the 9.95/mo plan from last year. If I would have had the extra $200 at the time I would be a lifer right now.
As nice as LOTRO is and the company it fails for delivering good pvp. I was playing ettenmoors (both sides) a lot and it was fun but very limited. This is Lord Of The Rings....big, huge battles, but you will only find that in WAR. Same reason a lot of the pvpers from AoC have gone over to war too.
i hope so, althow the new runekeeper or what ever they called it class kinda....i donno :S they shud have just called him wizard =[
What? Isn't there just 4 wizards in the middle earth ever? Wizards would be a horrible idea to have all over the place. And the spells Gandalf really uses in the books aren't that great either, stuff like scaring away some mobs with a lightflash (and the innkeeper of the prancing pony seems to think he could make the ale sour).
Magic is in the books but not that much, we are not talking about the wheel of time here. The game should be as true as possible to the book. More magic is a real bad idea here anyways. And making a "wizard" class would be the worst thing Turbine could do.
Im not really sure what they can do to get more players, new and better looking character models and the possibility to play the other side would probably work but while Moria might get back some of the old subs it is hardly enough to rise the numbers of subs a lot.
Turbine needs to change a lot in this game if they want to be able to complete with games like WAR, Aion and Spellborn. And Im not talking about copy wow.
For my part(and i think others as well) it is the bad character system and animations that saw me leave and not come back, nothing to do with any other specific game.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) how that character develops, looks and plays) is *not* bad(isn't this a statement of fact and not opinion?). Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!You mean an opinion as in where I stated 'for my part'?
DB
And.. you should finally chill outYes. Stop being so critical of his post and others. He posted an opinion, that's fine. Accusing him of trolling is nonsense too. Some of you need to relax and stop jumping on everyone who is critical of LotRO. Not everyone is going to have the same opinions or feelings on this game, learn to live with it.
As for the topic, yes, some servers are probably lower population, but that should be expected with LotRO, especially when there's only one raid that's ever used, and group dungeons that are rarely used. The only other options at level 50 would be... making an alt, pvmp, roleplay, and socialize. Out of those choices, PvMP is all i did.
There is no gear progression system in LotRO. There is no incentive to keep playing your level 50...until the new book comes out, or when the expansion comes out.
Simply put, the only "end-game" for gear is Rift and Ettenmoors. When compared to other MMO's, you get more end-game raids and dungeons in WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and even AoC.
And before any rabid fanboy starts attacking me, i just want to let you know that i re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago and am already a level 41 champ, because i do enjoy this game, but i can accept why others do not.
Nobody accused anyone of trolling yes you did, and you did not get my point either.
There is a world of difference between saying a) i have found XYZ game to be crap and b) XYZ game IS crap. I never stated the game was crap or even that the character system and anims where crap I said that 'for my part it had a bad character system and animation' in that I found them bad, although i will admit that poor may have been a better choice of wording
a) is an opinion and I will respect that,
b) is trolling (intentional or not), and I will keep on pointing that out. isn't trolling an intentional premise?
It might not mean a difference to you or we can argue about semantics, but my point stands. Opinions matter, but they need to be stated AS opinions, not as axyoms. I really don't see why people should state things as 'my opinion' in every post just because you think they should, after all you didn't
DB
Original post was in response to title of population woes and posts on the fact that people where leaving due only to war being released and that the reason i left was as stated not due to war or any other game.
If u wanted me to expand upon what I found 'bad' you can just ask as i am always happy to expand for discussion, but i will start in new post as it may be of topic here
As nice as LOTRO is and the company it fails for delivering good pvp. I was playing ettenmoors (both sides) a lot and it was fun but very limited. This is Lord Of The Rings....big, huge battles, but you will only find that in WAR. Same reason a lot of the pvpers from AoC have gone over to war too.
Do you really find that LOTRO PVP is lacking compared to WAR PVP when LOTRO was never billed as a PVP game. They have said from the start that the game was a story driven PVE game. So it is not surprising that WAR has better PVP.
And for the record if you ever read the books wich this game is bases on. The huge wars your talking about make up maybe 10% of the books in total. The battles were huge but were a small part of the books. The majority of the books deal with frodos journey and the trials and tribulations he goes thru in his battle against the power of the ring. What happens to the fellowship when it splits up at the end of the fellowship of the ring.
In the movies the war aspect of the books was brought out more to intise the audience into watching. Wich makes sense considering people are not going to pay that amount of money to watch frodo, sam, pippen and merry take two weeks to get from the shire to bree. Or watch tom bombadil skip around like a flamer singing his songs. Or sit thru the days it takes the fellowship to get thru moria.
Personally i love the game the way it is and i don't need huge wars to enjoy myself in a game. One of the reasons i won't be playing WAR. The playstyle doesn't interest me like the playstyle of LOTRO does. I say each to their owne.
Do you really find that LOTRO PVP is lacking compared to WAR PVP when LOTRO was never billed as a PVP game. They have said from the start that the game was a story driven PVE game. So it is not surprising that WAR has better PVP.
This is the reason right here why I am subbed to and play both games. WAR has much better pvp than LOTRO, but I don't think LOTRO needs to change to add that to the game. Just like I don't think WAR needs to add a bunch of raids or instanced dungeons to that game.
LOTRO has pvmp and WAR has public quests and a couple dungeons to add a little variety, but they each focus on what they want to do best. In the end I think that is going to work better than if each of them wanted to be everything to everybody.
I don't currently play any MMOs but I can't refuse the temptation to bite here.
Population always spike when new content is available and then goes down after said content is released. This will be rinsed and repeated for those who stay with the game after said period.
I've seen it in this game, EQ2, CoV, and the others MMOs I've played.
Edit: Just wanted to add this spike and decline was very noticeable for me on Gladden.
Nobody accused anyone of trolling yes you did, and you did not get my point either. There is a world of difference between saying a) i have found XYZ game to be crap and b) XYZ game IS crap. I never stated the game was crap or even that the character system and anims where crap I said that 'for my part it had a bad character system and animation' in that I found them bad, although i will admit that poor may have been a better choice of wording a) is an opinion and I will respect that, b) is trolling (intentional or not), and I will keep on pointing that out. isn't trolling an intentional premise? It might not mean a difference to you or we can argue about semantics, but my point stands. Opinions matter, but they need to be stated AS opinions, not as axyoms. I really don't see why people should state things as 'my opinion' in every post just because you think they should, after all you didn't DB
Original post was in response to title of population woes and posts on the fact that people where leaving due only war being released and that the reason i left was as stated not due to war or any other game.
If u wanted me to expand upon what I found 'bad' you can just ask as i am always happy to expand for discussion, but i will start in new post as it may be of topic here
Thanks for actually getting my point and responding in good manner. I can accept that you did not actually try to troll here (and I did *not* accuse you btw, only the posting pattern). As I said, i was just pinpointing the delicate nature of phrasing things on a board - it's better not to fall in traps.
And by the way, when I said that charactr development is "not bad", I did not mean that it's "perfect" or even "excellent". It *IS* not "bad" or "good". It is what it is (in itself), and some people find it good, others find it bad.
Read some zen helps one to see things in themselves as they are. It is you who relates to the subject, and not the subject that relates to you
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
As far as I am concerned this past week WAR has gained a sub from me, but that certainly does not mean LOTRO lost one from me either. I'm keeping both of these games going as I like them both for different reasons. So you might not see me on LOTRO as much right now, but my money is still going into the game and I still log in and play here and there. It also helps I have the 9.95/mo plan from last year. If I would have had the extra $200 at the time I would be a lifer right now.
I completely agree! The lifetime sub is an awesome thing as it allows me to always keep LOTRO in my back pocket. I really wish more games had the option as it would allow more people to play multiple games I feel.
There have been times when I want to play WOW or TR again or hell even AOC just for fun but paying 15 bucks just for maybe a day or 2 just dos'nt seem worth it. I currently am all about playing WAR so no LOTRO for the past 2 weeks but during WAR server downtimes or after LOTRO content patches its always nice to know I can log in and play. I actually will not play alot of previous MMO's simply because I cant justify a months worth of play from them but for some reason the lifetime sub keeps me happy even if its only a few hours a month.
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Not in my case. I played LoTRO since release. I enjoyed it a lot. However in my few days in WAR I am having more fun then in any other mmo I have played. This new game excitment may pale a bit in the future but WAR is so well made that Mines of Moria and WotLK will bring me back to LOTRO or WoW. I will keep playing EQ2 since it offers something for me that WaR does not and that is a feeling my characters are living in this huge persistent world. I limit myself to only two games at a time and both LoTRO and WoW have been removed from my computer. For the next few months it will be WAR and EQ2. I am waiting to see how Chronicles of Spellbourne plays out. LoTRO had its chance Turbine made a really nice game but something is missing for me to keep me in it in the face of some a very good game like WAR. I do not see myself ever playing it again.
I enjoyed AoC for the first week or two when it came out. Then I got out into the larger world, the nerfs started, the crashes started, the lack of content started and in a month it was boring as hell. I came back to lotro and here I well stay.
The thing I have noticed about PvP of any type is how it can make an adult into a child in nothing flat. Another aspect of the game which never interested me after playing AoC.
MoM will bring a lot of people back and if it is half the game being hinted at it should pretty much keep people from here out. I would say one thing, Turbine needs to get the word out, they have failed on one front, that is in advertising.
And I hit 50,000 on the post, do I get a booby prise?
Don't make the mistake of comapring your experience in AoC (which I played) and the experience I am having in WAR. If you try to compare the two, then decide to stay in LoTRO and not try WAR because of the bad taste AoC gave you. You will miss out on a really fantastic game. WAR will not be a two week game like AoC turned out to be. I still think that game has possibilities but WAR is a totally different deal. LoTRO is a great game but Mythic won and sold me on WAR. So much so I will not be going back to LoTRO MoM does not even interest me anymore. With sadness and respect I made my last ride accross Middle Earth. Much of my time there was fun but the fun I am having in WAR is epic in comparision.
What I really hate about War and why it couldn't get me with wild wargs dragging me to it kicking and screaming is the overall look of the game. I have no desired to play an updated WoW.
People who compare it to WOW really don't deserve to play WAR. So i would say good you left. Anyone with sense enough to distingush knows that its nothing like WOW. Unless green orcs in every MMORPG makes it a copy of WOW. Try to get informed first before you make such idotic comments. It makes you look silly.
GRAPHICS. I hate the look. As for every game. First Orcs are LOTR period, and personally I like what they've done. Differences abound in the types of Orcs.
I don't like the graphics or War which to me looks like an updated WoW. If people like that more power to them. It isn't my cup of tea.
Not surprising that a boring game like LOTRO gets hit hard when a new game comes out.
Of course many will come back and Moria will help also, but if lotro was thrilling as it should be they would not have left in such numbers at all.
When a game hooks you, you usually dont need to try another.
Snorf
Fixed it for you.
What you wrote is definitely not true for many of us. I try and beta every game I can have access to, done it with AOC, couldn't get into it for WAR but will definitely do the trial if there will be one. I also re-started Ryzom, and I used to play 9dragons and Perfect World as well.
Still, I keep sticking to LOTRO as it remains the best by far for my needs - and a large amount of peeps will be coming back from WAR too, just they did from AoC - in fact, the AoC fiasco meant quite a handful of new subs for LOTRO.
DB
(btw, all your posts from the last several months are pure LOTRO-bashing. You want to talk about it?)
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
LOTRO is one of the most underrated games around.
The only reason LOTRO isn't the huge success it should be is simply because Turbine doesn't advertise.
When's the last time you saw a LOTRO Ad? Exactly.
They seem to be trying to change as they've put in 1 Ad in PC Gamer and are now under a new distributor WB.
If they got off their asses and properly marketed this game it'd blow up to a million subscibers easily. Most people are unaware this game even exists.
Not all servers are having population problems either. If you feel like your population isn't where you want it on your server then transfer to a more populated one. They're out there.
So just not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this post. LOTRO is a good quality game and I do believe its not for everyone there is no need to bash it. People will try new products form time to time and thats great if they didnt we would all be playing the same game. How lame would that be the problem you dont see here is that differnt people like different things.
No need to come to a forum of a game you dont like and spread hate.
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I didnt think Snorf's post was all that bad myself...It sounded like Snorf was being pretty honest actually........
I have not played LOTRO in quite a while. I am returning today and have no desire to play WAR right now. This game is great, that is why I am coming back.
Thanks for your opinion on the game, duly noted that you find it boring. Just cause you find it boring doesn't meen it is to everyone. I find loud mouth overbearing woman boring but i don't go around bashing them because of my opinion.
I think the problem is that LOTRO is a more sublime game and one where people have been at level cap for a while and who have done most of the content. It's hard to maintain a steady level of excitement until the next update.
I do play LOTRO but haven't logged in as much as I just don't want to do quests for very little reward. This is not to say I wouldn't enjoy the quests but I would rather just pick up when I can further my character. To that point, I've made some money in game and have been working on the book quests slowly but sure. I got to level cap by mostly doing the side quests apart from the book quests. The game allows for very leisurely leveling. And so even with that I imagine that many people have played through it all. Nothing wrong with that.
When the expansion comes out you will see more people. As far as War goes, I'm actually playing it and I like it very much. It's different from LOTRO as you can imagine and won't be for everyone.
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For my part(and i think others as well) it is the bad character system and animations that saw me leave and not come back, nothing to do with any other specific game.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) is *not* bad. Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) is *not* bad. Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!
DB
And.. you should finally chill out. Stop being so critical of his post and others. He posted an opinion, that's fine. Accusing him of trolling is nonsense too. Some of you need to relax and stop jumping on everyone who is critical of LotRO. Not everyone is going to have the same opinions or feelings on this game, learn to live with it.
As for the topic, yes, some servers are probably lower population, but that should be expected with LotRO, especially when there's only one raid that's ever used, and group dungeons that are rarely used. The only other options at level 50 would be... making an alt, pvmp, roleplay, and socialize. Out of those choices, PvMP is all i did.
There is no gear progression system in LotRO. There is no incentive to keep playing your level 50...until the new book comes out, or when the expansion comes out.
Simply put, the only "end-game" for gear is Rift and Ettenmoors. When compared to other MMO's, you get more end-game raids and dungeons in WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and even AoC.
And before any rabid fanboy starts attacking me, i just want to let you know that i re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago and am already a level 41 champ, because i do enjoy this game, but i can accept why others do not.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) is *not* bad. Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!
DB
And.. you should finally chill out. Stop being so critical of his post and others. He posted an opinion, that's fine. Accusing him of trolling is nonsense too. Some of you need to relax and stop jumping on everyone who is critical of LotRO. Not everyone is going to have the same opinions or feelings on this game, learn to live with it.
As for the topic, yes, some servers are probably lower population, but that should be expected with LotRO, especially when there's only one raid that's ever used, and group dungeons that are rarely used. The only other options at level 50 would be... making an alt, pvmp, roleplay, and socialize. Out of those choices, PvMP is all i did.
There is no gear progression system in LotRO. There is no incentive to keep playing your level 50...until the new book comes out, or when the expansion comes out.
Simply put, the only "end-game" for gear is Rift and Ettenmoors. When compared to other MMO's, you get more end-game raids and dungeons in WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and even AoC.
And before any rabid fanboy starts attacking me, i just want to let you know that i re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago and am already a level 41 champ, because i do enjoy this game, but i can accept why others do not.
Nobody accused anyone of trolling, and you did not get my point either.
There is a world of difference between saying a) i have found XYZ game to be crap and b) XYZ game IS crap.
a) is an opinion and I will respect that,
b) is trolling (intentional or not), and I will keep on pointing that out.
It might not mean a difference to you or we can argue about semantics, but my point stands. Opinions matter, but they need to be stated AS opinions, not as axyoms.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
In my kin on Eldar 5 players including me are playing also WAR, still on prestart key although i have CE edition still unused.
Maybe 1 or 3 might leave it for WAR. Some other players left for WAR on Eldar but also noticed new players and some transfers. Some players from french server joined on our server, creep side. Now we have fights between 2-3 creep raids and 2 freep raids in EM, sometimes even more.
From friends that would think to change on WAR there are a lot that are afraid to jump from start. AOC lesson was bad. So they wait what will happen in 2-3 months.
BTW, plyers that don't like animation in LOTRO, can you atleast post 2-3 words, why you think its bad?
I agree and disagree
End game progression have been LotrOs big weeknes (and Ive played since launch)... but thats because it isnt as gear oriented as some other games and if content meens getting new gear than LotrO will not keep you happy for long... But Book 14 introduced som big changes to Loot in group dungeons and also new traits/titles for them so I must say that LotrO have become better with giving people stuf to do when lvl 50
But I hope they start paying more attention to "End Game" with Mines of Moria
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
From the sounds of MOM the legendary weapons will be a big end game activity. These weapons will have to be lvl'd up and you can always find one better than you got and have to start lvling it too. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
As far as I am concerned this past week WAR has gained a sub from me, but that certainly does not mean LOTRO lost one from me either. I'm keeping both of these games going as I like them both for different reasons.
So you might not see me on LOTRO as much right now, but my money is still going into the game and I still log in and play here and there. It also helps I have the 9.95/mo plan from last year. If I would have had the extra $200 at the time I would be a lifer right now.
As nice as LOTRO is and the company it fails for delivering good pvp. I was playing ettenmoors (both sides) a lot and it was fun but very limited. This is Lord Of The Rings....big, huge battles, but you will only find that in WAR. Same reason a lot of the pvpers from AoC have gone over to war too.
What? Isn't there just 4 wizards in the middle earth ever? Wizards would be a horrible idea to have all over the place. And the spells Gandalf really uses in the books aren't that great either, stuff like scaring away some mobs with a lightflash (and the innkeeper of the prancing pony seems to think he could make the ale sour).
Magic is in the books but not that much, we are not talking about the wheel of time here. The game should be as true as possible to the book. More magic is a real bad idea here anyways. And making a "wizard" class would be the worst thing Turbine could do.
Im not really sure what they can do to get more players, new and better looking character models and the possibility to play the other side would probably work but while Moria might get back some of the old subs it is hardly enough to rise the numbers of subs a lot.
Turbine needs to change a lot in this game if they want to be able to complete with games like WAR, Aion and Spellborn. And Im not talking about copy wow.
"bad character system" - I fail to comprehend what you mean....
And.. people should finally really try to learn the difference between opinion and general facts. The "character system" (whatever it is) how that character develops, looks and plays) is *not* bad(isn't this a statement of fact and not opinion?). Some people don't like it, including you. That's where the difference between posting opinions and trolling lies, actually. Same goes for animation!You mean an opinion as in where I stated 'for my part'?
DB
And.. you should finally chill outYes
. Stop being so critical of his post and others. He posted an opinion, that's fine. Accusing him of trolling is nonsense too. Some of you need to relax and stop jumping on everyone who is critical of LotRO. Not everyone is going to have the same opinions or feelings on this game, learn to live with it. 
As for the topic, yes, some servers are probably lower population, but that should be expected with LotRO, especially when there's only one raid that's ever used, and group dungeons that are rarely used. The only other options at level 50 would be... making an alt, pvmp, roleplay, and socialize. Out of those choices, PvMP is all i did.
There is no gear progression system in LotRO. There is no incentive to keep playing your level 50...until the new book comes out, or when the expansion comes out.
Simply put, the only "end-game" for gear is Rift and Ettenmoors. When compared to other MMO's, you get more end-game raids and dungeons in WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and even AoC.
And before any rabid fanboy starts attacking me, i just want to let you know that i re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago and am already a level 41 champ, because i do enjoy this game, but i can accept why others do not.
Nobody accused anyone of trolling yes you did, and you did not get my point either.
There is a world of difference between saying a) i have found XYZ game to be crap and b) XYZ game IS crap. I never stated the game was crap or even that the character system and anims where crap I said that 'for my part it had a bad character system and animation' in that I found them bad, although i will admit that poor may have been a better choice of wording
a) is an opinion and I will respect that,
b) is trolling (intentional or not), and I will keep on pointing that out. isn't trolling an intentional premise?
It might not mean a difference to you or we can argue about semantics, but my point stands. Opinions matter, but they need to be stated AS opinions, not as axyoms. I really don't see why people should state things as 'my opinion' in every post just because you think they should, after all you didn't
DB
Original post was in response to title of population woes and posts on the fact that people where leaving due only to war being released and that the reason i left was as stated not due to war or any other game.
If u wanted me to expand upon what I found 'bad' you can just ask as i am always happy to expand for discussion, but i will start in new post as it may be of topic here
Do you really find that LOTRO PVP is lacking compared to WAR PVP when LOTRO was never billed as a PVP game. They have said from the start that the game was a story driven PVE game. So it is not surprising that WAR has better PVP.
And for the record if you ever read the books wich this game is bases on. The huge wars your talking about make up maybe 10% of the books in total. The battles were huge but were a small part of the books. The majority of the books deal with frodos journey and the trials and tribulations he goes thru in his battle against the power of the ring. What happens to the fellowship when it splits up at the end of the fellowship of the ring.
In the movies the war aspect of the books was brought out more to intise the audience into watching. Wich makes sense considering people are not going to pay that amount of money to watch frodo, sam, pippen and merry take two weeks to get from the shire to bree. Or watch tom bombadil skip around like a flamer singing his songs. Or sit thru the days it takes the fellowship to get thru moria.
Personally i love the game the way it is and i don't need huge wars to enjoy myself in a game. One of the reasons i won't be playing WAR. The playstyle doesn't interest me like the playstyle of LOTRO does. I say each to their owne.
This is the reason right here why I am subbed to and play both games. WAR has much better pvp than LOTRO, but I don't think LOTRO needs to change to add that to the game. Just like I don't think WAR needs to add a bunch of raids or instanced dungeons to that game.
LOTRO has pvmp and WAR has public quests and a couple dungeons to add a little variety, but they each focus on what they want to do best. In the end I think that is going to work better than if each of them wanted to be everything to everybody.
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Population always spike when new content is available and then goes down after said content is released. This will be rinsed and repeated for those who stay with the game after said period.
I've seen it in this game, EQ2, CoV, and the others MMOs I've played.
Edit: Just wanted to add this spike and decline was very noticeable for me on Gladden.
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Original post was in response to title of population woes and posts on the fact that people where leaving due only war being released and that the reason i left was as stated not due to war or any other game.
If u wanted me to expand upon what I found 'bad' you can just ask as i am always happy to expand for discussion, but i will start in new post as it may be of topic here
And by the way, when I said that charactr development is "not bad", I did not mean that it's "perfect" or even "excellent". It *IS* not "bad" or "good". It is what it is (in itself), and some people find it good, others find it bad.
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DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I completely agree! The lifetime sub is an awesome thing as it allows me to always keep LOTRO in my back pocket. I really wish more games had the option as it would allow more people to play multiple games I feel.
There have been times when I want to play WOW or TR again or hell even AOC just for fun but paying 15 bucks just for maybe a day or 2 just dos'nt seem worth it. I currently am all about playing WAR so no LOTRO for the past 2 weeks but during WAR server downtimes or after LOTRO content patches its always nice to know I can log in and play. I actually will not play alot of previous MMO's simply because I cant justify a months worth of play from them but for some reason the lifetime sub keeps me happy even if its only a few hours a month.
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