I'd say try out games like Stargate Worlds, The Agency, Star trek Online...i think people are mostly getting burnt out on Medival type games, and alot of these games seem to be trying at least a few new things.
I wish sombody good, (not some scrub company), would pick up Battletech universe and make an awesome MMO from that.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
I'd say try out games like Stargate Worlds, The Agency, Star trek Online...i think people are mostly getting burnt out on Medival type games, and alot of these games seem to be trying at least a few new things. I wish sombody good, (not some scrub company), would pick up Battletech universe and make an awesome MMO from that.
Cause a World of Starcraft will just make the genre so much better... Get real, the problem isn't the setting of the game.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Self-confessed DF fanboy. Finally a real ****ing MMO.
I'd say try out games like Stargate Worlds, The Agency, Star trek Online...i think people are mostly getting burnt out on Medival type games, and alot of these games seem to be trying at least a few new things. I wish sombody good, (not some scrub company), would pick up Battletech universe and make an awesome MMO from that.
Cause a World of Starcraft will just make the genre so much better... Get real, the problem isn't the setting of the game.
I think some people do get burned out by playing elves, dwarves, orcs, etc. However, I would have to agree that that is not the real problem.
______________________ Give a man some fun and you entertain him for a day. Teach a man to make fun and you entertain him for a lifetime.
My time for the QQ whine troll whatever you want to call it. My last hope was WAR, it's clear that this game is devoid of any social interaction. MMO genre is dead. Hello to the masses of players that don't want anything else than a single player game with guys playing around. I will just step aside while keeping an eye for some unexpected new game, but no hope anymore. Congratulations developers, it wasn't easy to bring a whole genre to its knees, but you have managed to. Not a small feat.
Other than agreeing with you that war sucks in general I like having the option of not interacting with people. I get tired of people long before I get tired of a given game. People suck. Thank you developers.
My time for the QQ whine troll whatever you want to call it. My last hope was WAR, it's clear that this game is devoid of any social interaction. MMO genre is dead. Hello to the masses of players that don't want anything else than a single player game with guys playing around. I will just step aside while keeping an eye for some unexpected new game, but no hope anymore. Congratulations developers, it wasn't easy to bring a whole genre to its knees, but you have managed to. Not a small feat.
Well, too bad for you but roller coaster ride with no force group is the clear market trend. The MMO market has expanded in the recent years.
I suppose whenever something new comes around, there will be old timers who do not like the change and leave. But this is inevitable progress.
I gotta say I miss the days when people would actually talk to me before sending me a guild invite. Or when I group with someone they do more than issue one word 'commands' about what we are doing and where we are going.
I miss the days when I could ask a question in chat and actually get an answer instead of being told in broken chat speak (which gets worse every year) that "lol wut newb?"
I'm not looking to make BFF's in every game but its nice to have a group of people who you can run quests with and chat and joke around with while you play and I'm not seeing that nearly as much as when I started gaming.
I do know that there are games where people have cameraderie. I play them or justt quit. Lineage 2 for one. Lord of The rings if you are in a good group. I've had a blast with these games and the people I've met. The games are out there. You just have to meter your expectations.
IMHO, it has to do a lot with the mindset of the player. Generally speaking you find what you seek. I don't think any MMO is truely designed to be "anti - social" they just have the emphsis on different aspects of play. Where games like Lineage 2 strive to bind guilds together to fight one another throughout, games like WoW bring their guilds together for the endgame.
You may be able to "solo" through WAR as far as mechanics are concerned but I'm fairly certain you will not get 100% out of the game without being part of a cohesive, well organized and active guild....really like any other MMO out there. Guilds / socialization is purely in the hands of the players. All the tools are there in any MMO its just many don't use them.
It is hard for the veteran players to play MMOs today but like a couple others have said you have to adjust......When I played EQ most of the grouping I did was very good......Players knew their roles and most did them pretty well.....When I moved on to LoTRO then grouping became totally different......Instead of working together the groups I had in LoTRO were just 6 indiviuals doing their own thing.....Sure we had a tank and healers and dps but there was little or no strategy and once the quests were done the goups always disbanded......It is frustrating to be playing and have some Hunter run off and attack mobs that are not even close to where everyone else is fighting then start screaming for heals......You just have to accept that almost all the games since WoW have been moade for the casual gamer and most of them just want to play an hour or two with little or no hassle and move on........
While I understand where you are coming from, I think it is an utter load of crap that we "just have to adjust". Many of us have been playing MMOs since UO and EQ, and over the years we have come to know what we like and what we don't about games. A lot of the titles these days are watered down, single player games with the ability to group with others. They are far too casual and solo oriented. While the solo gamer is an important aspect that should be included in the overall scope of things, MMO's at their heart were all about groups and strategies and working together.
I just don't think it is a good idea to think that we have to adjust to these new games. Maybe some Devs will make a game adjusted to suit us... <shrug>
I gotta say I miss the days when people would actually talk to me before sending me a guild invite. Or when I group with someone they do more than issue one word 'commands' about what we are doing and where we are going. I miss the days when I could ask a question in chat and actually get an answer instead of being told in broken chat speak (which gets worse every year) that "lol wut newb?" I'm not looking to make BFF's in every game but its nice to have a group of people who you can run quests with and chat and joke around with while you play and I'm not seeing that nearly as much as when I started gaming.
Unfortunately, WoW Barren's Chat is a sickness and it is spreading over the years.... Actually having an intelligent conversation or getting a mature answer is almost unheard of in many games these days. And that's if someone even answers you at all.
Get some friends, booze etc, a couple of D&D manuals and some dice. Play from dusk till dawn (or till you pass out, whichever comes first). No monthly fees. Tons of socializing in a fantasy context.
Or play chess at the mall with 10+ others drinking starbucks in the afternoon. Talk philosophy, economics, or politics while playing a heady game.
Or if your standards are not that high, go to a bar get drunk and talk to skanky divorcees who have failed at marriage 3+ times because they only think about themselves..... socialize!
But computer games are for kids. 10-20 kids. Concerning the 20-30 crowd, they play them because they haven't grown up yet. The 30-40 group play them because they want to have long periods away from a nagging wife or screaming kids. And the 40+ play them because they are nostalgic about their lost youth.
I think since facebook etc have gotten bigger, people socialize there more than MMOs. The traditional MMO with this social orientation and escape played a part in history, but it's time is past. Internet socialization is happening now in places like facebook ... for free. For 50 bucks and 15/mo, people want to see something, then kill it.
Thank you for your replies I was expecting to be trashed really, I didn't even dare to read the replies until now. I don't want to sound gay (which I am) so I won't say how much I love you all lol (I know your face is like now :P)
To address some of the points, I don't want exactly friends, as RL friends, but I like the social interaction, even between total strangers that can help you out of a difficult situation. That happened a lot in EQ (classic). New MMOs don't force you to depend on others, and this is a huge mistake and a total disdain for the MMO genuine nature. Also helping others, is one of the most satisfactory experiences in an MMO.
About guilds... it's not that easy to find one that suits you. Most are full of nettalk and the constant link of newly aquired equipment (at least in WOW) and the following loooong discussion about its qualities and comparisons with other items.
I agree on that playing with friends makes the MMO experience much better, but still, if the MMO is not great there is always something lacking.
Maybe some investors with a real love for the genre will give us, or some of us, a good surprise sometime in the future, who knows.
(about WAR yes maybe it will get more social communication after a while, but still... overall I feel disappointed, I thought the public quests would be a place to communicate with other players and work for a common goal, but seems this not the case)
the thing simply is. People play mmos for fun, not to make friends. And war is new and people want to learn it and play it. They don't really care about winning or making a community since they JUST started.
This is truly classic. The only thing that MMOs have over single player games is a sense of community. Without it you're just playing a very poor single player game as MMOs sacrifice a certain amount of game play for the simple fact that they are supposed to be massively multiplayer. Having a good community can make or break a MMO. I see a shaky future for WAR if all I'm hearing about the total lack of community in the game is true. Making friends is an essential part of game play in a good MMO and you just can't have this in a game where no one uses the public chat channels. Only time will tell at this point but this could be the one thing that keeps WAR from being all that it could be.
My time for the QQ whine troll whatever you want to call it. My last hope was WAR, it's clear that this game is devoid of any social interaction. MMO genre is dead. Hello to the masses of players that don't want anything else than a single player game with guys playing around. I will just step aside while keeping an eye for some unexpected new game, but no hope anymore. Congratulations developers, it wasn't easy to bring a whole genre to its knees, but you have managed to. Not a small feat.
If you want alot of social interaction, I recommend Final Fantasy XI. It forces you to group, but with the new updates you can actually get good XP soloing if you want. I agree with you though, I played WAR for 3 days and I have yet to see anyone type in the chat box, it's weird, there was more talking in AoC.
the thing simply is. People play mmos for fun, not to make friends. And war is new and people want to learn it and play it. They don't really care about winning or making a community since they JUST started.
Maybe so, but if it goes down the same path as its predecessors, even WoW (with its huge playerbase)...then there's no real future in it for players that prefer that. Look at some threads already in the WAR forums where they it's dead quiet. Not saying it's fact, just saying what's out there.
Some of us find it fun to play as a community...you have your way of playing, and we have ours.
I found AoC like that, and I doubt it had anything to do with its game flaws, those responsible for such bad opinionated threads at any rate.
Player run casinos. Player run pubs. Easter egg hunts. Xmas parties. Monster hunts. Scavenger hunts. Olympic games. Pet races. Public mazes. Crafting guilds. Player run public auctions. The list goes on.
Even the hardcore used to show up to get drunk and run around naked.
I was playing AoC, but I was soloing the whole darn thing. I wanted that interaction that made an mmo fun, but the game didn't lend itself to that very well. I see this a being a trend. I was considering getting Warhammer Online (and I may) but I have become disillusioned.
Another thing I would like to say is that I don't think PvP necessarily requires that you talk trash and curse other people. I really miss my old "family oriented" guild, but they insist on sticking with an outdated game and I finally got tired of it. This may seem off topic, but I think it illustrates the point that the OP was trying to make: there is no going back. The genre has left us wanting.
You're right,the mmos are starting to fail,wow was such a good game pre bc,but after the expansion lunch it started to fail in terms of balance,and the era of world of (rougecraft)roguecraft started and will continue to grow in wotlk,when 80% will be rouges,goodbye world pvp,etc,everyone will be a 10 year old fag in stealth and auto-attack like a nQQb with an overpowered class.
About AOC and WAR,don't know what to say yet,having hopes for AOC into the future.
Oh well mmos suck but what the hell....fifa09,nfs undercover,starcraft2,gta4 are still games that are needed to be played.And about the rpg genre,we shouldn't forget about Gothic 4,that's on the way!
Get some friends, booze etc, a couple of D&D manuals and some dice. Play from dusk till dawn (or till you pass out, whichever comes first). No monthly fees. Tons of socializing in a fantasy context. Or play chess at the mall with 10+ others drinking starbucks in the afternoon. Talk philosophy, economics, or politics while playing a heady game. Or if your standards are not that high, go to a bar get drunk and talk to skanky divorcees who have failed at marriage 3+ times because they only think about themselves..... socialize! But computer games are for kids. 10-20 kids. Concerning the 20-30 crowd, they play them because they haven't grown up yet. The 30-40 group play them because they want to have long periods away from a nagging wife or screaming kids. And the 40+ play them because they are nostalgic about their lost youth. I think since facebook etc have gotten bigger, people socialize there more than MMOs. The traditional MMO with this social orientation and escape played a part in history, but it's time is past. Internet socialization is happening now in places like facebook ... for free. For 50 bucks and 15/mo, people want to see something, then kill it.
This truly made me laugh...
If you don't want to socialize in a game, then why in God's name would you even consider picking up an Mmo? Like the PvP...have to kill those noobs out there to always have an inflated ego? Ahh yes, the pwonage is where it's at isn't...so play Fortress 2, or CoD4 where that's all you do "Ad Nauseum".
What else? Normal single players don't offer you the same grind? Gear based items? lol
Not to be insensitive either Airhead, but since you obviously have a condescending view on anyone over 20, since most of your views above that are a little insulting, then it's easy to deduce you know little of what you speak of since you lack a little life experience because you're still too wet behind the ears, or you fall in your 20-30 range and haven't grown up yet, and so still don't know what you're talking about.
Be careful when you decide to label ppl in age groups, because no matter your age, you still make yourself look like an asshat.
The more ppl who insist on playing mmos for single player-minded reasons, the more the genre will die out for what it was meant to be. I respect why ppl wouldn't want to chat much or at all, I don't respect someone who doesn't reciprocate that same respect for those who do.
WAR is hella fun for me. Did you get into a guild with some friends or in any guild at all? i have no RL friends playing WAR atm and i was getting a little lonley but i found a guild and i found that even with people i just met it was amazingly more enjoyable. People talk tons in guild chat and its just more fun. GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY!!
Get some friends, booze etc, a couple of D&D manuals and some dice. Play from dusk till dawn (or till you pass out, whichever comes first). No monthly fees. Tons of socializing in a fantasy context. Or play chess at the mall with 10+ others drinking starbucks in the afternoon. Talk philosophy, economics, or politics while playing a heady game. Or if your standards are not that high, go to a bar get drunk and talk to skanky divorcees who have failed at marriage 3+ times because they only think about themselves..... socialize! But computer games are for kids. 10-20 kids. Concerning the 20-30 crowd, they play them because they haven't grown up yet. The 30-40 group play them because they want to have long periods away from a nagging wife or screaming kids. And the 40+ play them because they are nostalgic about their lost youth. I think since facebook etc have gotten bigger, people socialize there more than MMOs. The traditional MMO with this social orientation and escape played a part in history, but it's time is past. Internet socialization is happening now in places like facebook ... for free. For 50 bucks and 15/mo, people want to see something, then kill it.
This truly made me laugh...
If you don't want to socialize in a game, then why in God's name would you even consider picking up an Mmo? Like the PvP...have to kill those noobs out there to always have an inflated ego? Ahh yes, the pwonage is where it's at isn't...so play Fortress 2, or CoD4 where that's all you do "Ad Nauseum".
What else? Normal single players don't offer you the same grind? Gear based items? lol
Not to be insensitive either Airhead, but since you obviously have a condescending view on anyone over 20, since most of your vues above that are a little insulting, then it's easy to deduce you know little of what you speak of since you lack a little life experience because you're still too wet behind the ears, or you fall in your 20-30 range and haven't grown up yet, and so still don't know what you're talking about.
Be careful when you decide to label ppl in age groups, because no matter your age, you still make yourself look like an asshat.
The more ppl who insist on playing mmos for single player-minded reasons, the more the genre will die out for what it was meant to be. I respect why ppl wouldn't want to chat much or at all, I don't respect someone who doesn't reciprocate that same respect for those who do.
hehe.... well, if I made you laugh, then I succeeded !!
I'm not sure where I said that I ENJOY the current state of affairs. Did I say that? I wasn't being ostentatious, just kind of gloomy, like Andy Rooney does on 60 minutes. But in reality, I love everybody.
And as for age, you can click my name and yes, it's correct... i'm 45. In that group that bemoans our lost youth...when life's choices are between the least painful alternatives. hehe.
But all your personal attacks and my negative commentary aside, none of it really matters. Socializing in MMOs is over and done with. Kids use facebook for that now (i got 3 and I see them doing it all the time. Granted 3 doesn't really prove it, but how many do you have to offer as a counter-argument?). There was a day when socializing and friend-making went hand in hand with subscription MMOs (UO, EQ, etc). Those days are gone. There are too many FREE ways to do that now. MMOs are turning more into games to play instead of places to make friends. That doesn't mean groups of friends will not form and do stuff together with a lot of socializing, just that it will become more and more rare, (instead of the other way around).
All pleas and actions made by people like yourself are great. Go for it! Try to make MMOs socializing activities. Plead for development companies to create more group-centered, chat-it-up activities you can do with your friends. It's a great goal. but imo, it's just not going to happen.
The gaming industry is going a different direction, while the world is going towards socializing on FREE venues with increased character customization and a closer link to RL, ( with it's associated perception of having a better chance of getting laid, to put it frankly).
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I'd say try out games like Stargate Worlds, The Agency, Star trek Online...i think people are mostly getting burnt out on Medival type games, and alot of these games seem to be trying at least a few new things.
I wish sombody good, (not some scrub company), would pick up Battletech universe and make an awesome MMO from that.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Cause a World of Starcraft will just make the genre so much better... Get real, the problem isn't the setting of the game.
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Self-confessed DF fanboy. Finally a real ****ing MMO.
Cause a World of Starcraft will just make the genre so much better... Get real, the problem isn't the setting of the game.
I think some people do get burned out by playing elves, dwarves, orcs, etc. However, I would have to agree that that is not the real problem.
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Give a man some fun and you entertain him for a day. Teach a man to make fun and you entertain him for a lifetime.
Other than agreeing with you that war sucks in general I like having the option of not interacting with people. I get tired of people long before I get tired of a given game. People suck. Thank you developers.
MMO's suck unless you have friends to play with. I dont care how good hte game is playing by yourself is no where near as fun as playing with friends.
Well, too bad for you but roller coaster ride with no force group is the clear market trend. The MMO market has expanded in the recent years.
I suppose whenever something new comes around, there will be old timers who do not like the change and leave. But this is inevitable progress.
I gotta say I miss the days when people would actually talk to me before sending me a guild invite. Or when I group with someone they do more than issue one word 'commands' about what we are doing and where we are going.
I miss the days when I could ask a question in chat and actually get an answer instead of being told in broken chat speak (which gets worse every year) that "lol wut newb?"
I'm not looking to make BFF's in every game but its nice to have a group of people who you can run quests with and chat and joke around with while you play and I'm not seeing that nearly as much as when I started gaming.
IMHO, it has to do a lot with the mindset of the player. Generally speaking you find what you seek. I don't think any MMO is truely designed to be "anti - social" they just have the emphsis on different aspects of play. Where games like Lineage 2 strive to bind guilds together to fight one another throughout, games like WoW bring their guilds together for the endgame.
You may be able to "solo" through WAR as far as mechanics are concerned but I'm fairly certain you will not get 100% out of the game without being part of a cohesive, well organized and active guild....really like any other MMO out there. Guilds / socialization is purely in the hands of the players. All the tools are there in any MMO its just many don't use them.
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Actually that's a very good point.
I have my rare moments
You have my bow to help you!
*noice from background* and my axe!
And so on and so forth.
While I understand where you are coming from, I think it is an utter load of crap that we "just have to adjust". Many of us have been playing MMOs since UO and EQ, and over the years we have come to know what we like and what we don't about games. A lot of the titles these days are watered down, single player games with the ability to group with others. They are far too casual and solo oriented. While the solo gamer is an important aspect that should be included in the overall scope of things, MMO's at their heart were all about groups and strategies and working together.
I just don't think it is a good idea to think that we have to adjust to these new games. Maybe some Devs will make a game adjusted to suit us... <shrug>
Just my two cents.
Unfortunately, WoW Barren's Chat is a sickness and it is spreading over the years.... Actually having an intelligent conversation or getting a mature answer is almost unheard of in many games these days. And that's if someone even answers you at all.
O noes, please don't leave us!
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
Get some friends, booze etc, a couple of D&D manuals and some dice. Play from dusk till dawn (or till you pass out, whichever comes first). No monthly fees. Tons of socializing in a fantasy context.
Or play chess at the mall with 10+ others drinking starbucks in the afternoon. Talk philosophy, economics, or politics while playing a heady game.
Or if your standards are not that high, go to a bar get drunk and talk to skanky divorcees who have failed at marriage 3+ times because they only think about themselves..... socialize!
But computer games are for kids. 10-20 kids. Concerning the 20-30 crowd, they play them because they haven't grown up yet. The 30-40 group play them because they want to have long periods away from a nagging wife or screaming kids. And the 40+ play them because they are nostalgic about their lost youth.
I think since facebook etc have gotten bigger, people socialize there more than MMOs. The traditional MMO with this social orientation and escape played a part in history, but it's time is past. Internet socialization is happening now in places like facebook ... for free. For 50 bucks and 15/mo, people want to see something, then kill it.
Thank you for your replies I was expecting to be trashed really, I didn't even dare to read the replies until now. I don't want to sound gay (which I am) so I won't say how much I love you all lol (I know your face is like
now :P)
To address some of the points, I don't want exactly friends, as RL friends, but I like the social interaction, even between total strangers that can help you out of a difficult situation. That happened a lot in EQ (classic). New MMOs don't force you to depend on others, and this is a huge mistake and a total disdain for the MMO genuine nature. Also helping others, is one of the most satisfactory experiences in an MMO.
About guilds... it's not that easy to find one that suits you. Most are full of nettalk and the constant link of newly aquired equipment (at least in WOW) and the following loooong discussion about its qualities and comparisons with other items.
I agree on that playing with friends makes the MMO experience much better, but still, if the MMO is not great there is always something lacking.
Maybe some investors with a real love for the genre will give us, or some of us, a good surprise sometime in the future, who knows.
(about WAR yes maybe it will get more social communication after a while, but still... overall I feel disappointed, I thought the public quests would be a place to communicate with other players and work for a common goal, but seems this not the case)
This is truly classic. The only thing that MMOs have over single player games is a sense of community. Without it you're just playing a very poor single player game as MMOs sacrifice a certain amount of game play for the simple fact that they are supposed to be massively multiplayer. Having a good community can make or break a MMO. I see a shaky future for WAR if all I'm hearing about the total lack of community in the game is true. Making friends is an essential part of game play in a good MMO and you just can't have this in a game where no one uses the public chat channels. Only time will tell at this point but this could be the one thing that keeps WAR from being all that it could be.
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If you want alot of social interaction, I recommend Final Fantasy XI. It forces you to group, but with the new updates you can actually get good XP soloing if you want. I agree with you though, I played WAR for 3 days and I have yet to see anyone type in the chat box, it's weird, there was more talking in AoC.
Maybe so, but if it goes down the same path as its predecessors, even WoW (with its huge playerbase)...then there's no real future in it for players that prefer that. Look at some threads already in the WAR forums where they it's dead quiet. Not saying it's fact, just saying what's out there.
Some of us find it fun to play as a community...you have your way of playing, and we have ours.
I found AoC like that, and I doubt it had anything to do with its game flaws, those responsible for such bad opinionated threads at any rate.
What Whysperwind said.
Last truly social mmo I played was UO.
Player run casinos. Player run pubs. Easter egg hunts. Xmas parties. Monster hunts. Scavenger hunts. Olympic games. Pet races. Public mazes. Crafting guilds. Player run public auctions. The list goes on.
Even the hardcore used to show up to get drunk and run around naked.
I was playing AoC, but I was soloing the whole darn thing. I wanted that interaction that made an mmo fun, but the game didn't lend itself to that very well. I see this a being a trend. I was considering getting Warhammer Online (and I may) but I have become disillusioned.
Another thing I would like to say is that I don't think PvP necessarily requires that you talk trash and curse other people. I really miss my old "family oriented" guild, but they insist on sticking with an outdated game and I finally got tired of it. This may seem off topic, but I think it illustrates the point that the OP was trying to make: there is no going back. The genre has left us wanting.
You're right,the mmos are starting to fail,wow was such a good game pre bc,but after the expansion lunch it started to fail in terms of balance,and the era of world of (rougecraft)roguecraft started and will continue to grow in wotlk,when 80% will be rouges,goodbye world pvp,etc,everyone will be a 10 year old fag in stealth and auto-attack like a nQQb with an overpowered class.
About AOC and WAR,don't know what to say yet,having hopes for AOC into the future.
Oh well mmos suck but what the hell....fifa09,nfs undercover,starcraft2,gta4 are still games that are needed to be played.And about the rpg genre,we shouldn't forget about Gothic 4,that's on the way!
LOL, reminds me of the Russians and Germans in Stalingrad, WWII. Just think how much it must have sucked for them!
This truly made me laugh...
If you don't want to socialize in a game, then why in God's name would you even consider picking up an Mmo? Like the PvP...have to kill those noobs out there to always have an inflated ego? Ahh yes, the pwonage is where it's at isn't...so play Fortress 2, or CoD4 where that's all you do "Ad Nauseum".
What else? Normal single players don't offer you the same grind? Gear based items? lol
Not to be insensitive either Airhead, but since you obviously have a condescending view on anyone over 20, since most of your views above that are a little insulting, then it's easy to deduce you know little of what you speak of since you lack a little life experience because you're still too wet behind the ears, or you fall in your 20-30 range and haven't grown up yet, and so still don't know what you're talking about.
Be careful when you decide to label ppl in age groups, because no matter your age, you still make yourself look like an asshat.
The more ppl who insist on playing mmos for single player-minded reasons, the more the genre will die out for what it was meant to be. I respect why ppl wouldn't want to chat much or at all, I don't respect someone who doesn't reciprocate that same respect for those who do.
@OP
WAR is hella fun for me. Did you get into a guild with some friends or in any guild at all? i have no RL friends playing WAR atm and i was getting a little lonley but i found a guild and i found that even with people i just met it was amazingly more enjoyable. People talk tons in guild chat and its just more fun. GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY!!
This truly made me laugh...
If you don't want to socialize in a game, then why in God's name would you even consider picking up an Mmo? Like the PvP...have to kill those noobs out there to always have an inflated ego? Ahh yes, the pwonage is where it's at isn't...so play Fortress 2, or CoD4 where that's all you do "Ad Nauseum".
What else? Normal single players don't offer you the same grind? Gear based items? lol
Not to be insensitive either Airhead, but since you obviously have a condescending view on anyone over 20, since most of your vues above that are a little insulting, then it's easy to deduce you know little of what you speak of since you lack a little life experience because you're still too wet behind the ears, or you fall in your 20-30 range and haven't grown up yet, and so still don't know what you're talking about.
Be careful when you decide to label ppl in age groups, because no matter your age, you still make yourself look like an asshat.
The more ppl who insist on playing mmos for single player-minded reasons, the more the genre will die out for what it was meant to be. I respect why ppl wouldn't want to chat much or at all, I don't respect someone who doesn't reciprocate that same respect for those who do.
hehe.... well, if I made you laugh, then I succeeded !!
I'm not sure where I said that I ENJOY the current state of affairs. Did I say that? I wasn't being ostentatious, just kind of gloomy, like Andy Rooney does on 60 minutes. But in reality, I love everybody.
And as for age, you can click my name and yes, it's correct... i'm 45. In that group that bemoans our lost youth...when life's choices are between the least painful alternatives. hehe.
But all your personal attacks and my negative commentary aside, none of it really matters. Socializing in MMOs is over and done with. Kids use facebook for that now (i got 3 and I see them doing it all the time. Granted 3 doesn't really prove it, but how many do you have to offer as a counter-argument?). There was a day when socializing and friend-making went hand in hand with subscription MMOs (UO, EQ, etc). Those days are gone. There are too many FREE ways to do that now. MMOs are turning more into games to play instead of places to make friends. That doesn't mean groups of friends will not form and do stuff together with a lot of socializing, just that it will become more and more rare, (instead of the other way around).
All pleas and actions made by people like yourself are great. Go for it! Try to make MMOs socializing activities. Plead for development companies to create more group-centered, chat-it-up activities you can do with your friends. It's a great goal. but imo, it's just not going to happen.
The gaming industry is going a different direction, while the world is going towards socializing on FREE venues with increased character customization and a closer link to RL, ( with it's associated perception of having a better chance of getting laid, to put it frankly).