I am a total cheerleader for darkfall, If fails so what, But judging from what i have read and seen give all the bugs and error's you got and i will still play! Bugs can be work out and patched, they have made so many promises and eight years in development , well 8 is extensive but hopefully it will be finished. Remember who called it vaporware? Funcom and those conan guys! Well i saw Erling Ellingson at the local hardware store yesterday buying a shovel. Either he's in deep sh#$ or that was for his grave-site!
Its just funny that the DF fanboi's are saying this game will be a breath of fresh air, but yet nobody said that there is anything new about this game. Then they badmouth WAR and other games saying that they are just clones of games and bring nothing new.
Did I not mention non-static mob spawns? It's not a small feature FYI.
That should be new, or at least I can't think of any game that has made it the way DF does.
Its just funny that the DF fanboi's are saying this game will be a breath of fresh air, but yet nobody said that there is anything new about this game. Then they badmouth WAR and other games saying that they are just clones of games and bring nothing new.
Full loot, FFA PvP, FPS in a MMORPG, no instances and a seamless world to roam and explore, city sieging, seabattles is something that sticks out from the other crap we been spoonfed with last years.
I love seeing you guys say YAY FULL LOOT 1337 omg FTW !!!! THis concept is just retarded in every way. Whats the point? You can never wear anything thats rare or you will be ganked when someone sees it...( hell your going to get ganked anyways but for the sake of argument ) This is how the world in df is going to end up.
Someone is going to go and find a rare item then there will be a ground of people waiting just outside to gang bang him and take everything he has. so now this one person is alone with nothing not even the gay armor he had on because wereing anything else is just stupid sence it will get stolen.
And something like this is going to happen everywere just because people can. You all talk about this game has conseqences, : if you randomly attack someone people will here about it and hunt you: i have heard this one somewere. or something of the same meaning. Ok here is a translation : you kill someone randomly hes going to tell his guild on you and there going to come rape you: ok soo whats differant then anyother open wold pvp game?
As for the OP NOTHING everything about this game has been done before. There just doing it again. And im talking about the game not the company making it. The FEATURES in the game are not new are not inovative could the game work out and be fun maybe? but i think its going to fail hard.
Darkfall will bring back the OLD in old school, but there's one thing that'll discourage people its FULL LOOTING!
NO the target market for this game will not be discouraged becouse of full loot, thats actualy one of the larger selling points , the only "croud' it will discourage is the market that they are not even aiming for in making this game , so no loss there .
So what exactly is new and inovative about this game?
Nothing , it is an old school real game with well integrated features and everything that used to be good about MMOs. Simple really.
The innovation is in the nerve to go back to what was good, and not continue with the currnt trash being released.
Wasn't this the same line some of us fell for a while back with Vanguard?
No not at all , from the start it was to be a next gen group based yet simi casual mmorpg, a cross between Eq/WoW tho it didnt take as much from Eq as i would have liked. A lot of the devs had max lv characters in wow they played regularly, specialy jeff butler , he is a huge wow fan and even said so in one of the VG dev vids saying he had multiple max 'lv toons . They had always talked about how someone can log in for a few hours a day and still get things done . Anyone watching the dev vid's knew it wasnt going to be a true "old school" mmorpg .
Its just funny that the DF fanboi's are saying this game will be a breath of fresh air, but yet nobody said that there is anything new about this game. Then they badmouth WAR and other games saying that they are just clones of games and bring nothing new.
Full loot, FFA PvP, FPS in a MMORPG, no instances and a seamless world to roam and explore, city sieging, seabattles is something that sticks out from the other crap we been spoonfed with last years.
Have a nice day
FFA PvP there are games that have that, Vanguard for one.
FPS in a MMORPG, DDO has a twitch base combat system, you click to swing your weapon and you can aim where you shoot your bow and also can dodge attacks by rolling out of the way.
Sea battles have been in games as well, POTBS and Century Voyage.
City Sieging, AoC and WAR
As for a seemless world, some DF fan said the dungeons were zoned. Now if IM wrong I apologize.
No game has all the elements that DF will have.Different games have had pieces of what DF will offer.DF brings so many great elements together in one game.
This is going to be the game too change mmo's and if don't guess what i will eat my words and have cake later. And while where at it stop posting build your own mmo if that is what you desire, OH wait, that is work not posting>big smile>big smile!!
I had already stated that very same thing back on page one but because it wasn't in the form of the usual fanboi/hater rant it went totally ignored. Sometimes I don't know why I bother.
Edit: Well it's page one for me anyways...I sometimes forget that I reset my posts per page to 20 so for most of you I think it would be on page two.
No game has all the elements that DF will have.Different games have had pieces of what DF will offer.DF brings so many great elements together in one game.
Yeah so basicly its doing what WAR did but with different aspects of MMO's but yet most DF followers say that WAR is no good. But I guess its all personal preferance. Now what Im going to say may not make sense to people it makes sense to me. lol
While WAR may not be a breath of freash air, its a breath of marijuana smoke and is fun. Same goes for Darkfall for some people, im just not a big fan off FFA PvP or Full loot other than that I think it would be a good game.
Originally posted by cukimunga Its just funny that the DF fanboi's are saying this game will be a breath of fresh air, but yet nobody said that there is anything new about this game. Then they badmouth WAR and other games saying that they are just clones of games and bring nothing new.
If you bothered to read the replies you might notice I just listed 9 things that makes DF innovative compared to other current mmorpgs. Let me boil it down to the 6 most important. So if you think there is nothing innovative about DF then please show me just one other mmorpg that has these features:
1) No instances. 2) FFA everywhere, no safe zones, full loot, 3) Collision detection with friendly fire. 4) Manual aim, no target-lock/tab-lock. 5) 200 vs 200 people can fight with 40+ fps. 6) 4 newbs fresh out of char generator can kill one veteran.
And no its not doing the same as WAR, WAR hasnt even got ONE of the main features I listed. WAR is VERY close to WoW, alot of the game aspects are exactly the same. DF on the other hand... well short of the fantasy theme DF is a completely different game than WoW/WAR.
Your remark about how DF is the same as WAR tells me that you don't really seem to "get it" - I suspect that you haven't played a sandbox mmorpg before. I am not dissing you, just trying to inform you. Think about it for a while, what these features I list up there actually means.
No game has all the elements that DF will have.Different games have had pieces of what DF will offer.DF brings so many great elements together in one game.
Yeah so basicly its doing what WAR did but with different aspects of MMO's but yet most DF followers say that WAR is no good. But I guess its all personal preferance. Now what Im going to say may not make sense to people it makes sense to me. lol
While WAR may not be a breath of freash air, its a breath of marijuana smoke and is fun. Same goes for Darkfall for some people, im just not a big fan off FFA PvP or Full loot other than that I think it would be a good game.
one of the main differences is COMBAT ....no need to target someone to do anything .....i like WAR and the lore and the rvr ...BUT i get frustrated (after playing aoc and ddo active non autoattack combat) that i cant SWING MY AXE when i feel like it .....
DF is going for a global world where fleets citys are build ..where on PC can teach other PC skills...where if ye run in front of yer ally that shoots at an ennemy you will get shot instead..
Yeah so basicly its doing what WAR did but with different aspects of MMO's but yet most DF followers say that WAR is no good.
lol wrong. War is simplified RvR. War has two factions and thats it. DarkFall has 3 that interact in a bit more unique way. Alfar are enemies to all other races. Orcs and Mahirim are allies (Sort of). Human, Dwarf and Mirdaine are allies. While these 3 sides are actually at war with each other they can also be friends or atleast clansmates. Meaning you can have mixed race clans. Other than the RvR there are no other similarities to War that I can think of and even the RvR is a bit more complex in DarkFall than in War so that comparison fails as well.
I wouldn't play War over DarkFall personaly you may like it and thats fine I just don't. War is just to much of a step backwards for me compaired to what DarkFall has to offer and I just can't support any more MMO's that want to force the grind for gear on me. If I can not have the freedom to do as I want in game then I don't play very long. I played UO for a little over 9 years. I haven't come close to even a Half of that with other MMO's. Sandbox ftw.
So what exactly is new and inovative about this game?
Nothing , it is an old school real game with well integrated features and everything that used to be good about MMOs. Simple really.
The innovation is in the nerve to go back to what was good, and not continue with the currnt trash being released.
So you actually played the game?
Nothing new just old ideas rehashed. Trying to recapture the magic that was old UO. Will it work? Time will tell I'm not betting on it because gamers now are not the same as gamers back then. There are quite flankly SO MANY more ass holes that play mmos then there used to be.
"So you actually played the game? Nothing new just old ideas rehashed." Have YOU played it? I see a lot of irony in the attempt to turn "Well integrated features" Into "Just old ideas rehashed" Last time I checked there was a difference between something being "hashed" and something being completely overturned. Its like overhauling a vehicle motor, It can be total crap, dated, and worthless, and you can still get it shining gold again time and time again with enough effort. Now whats the need to making something look worse for no reason. Old ideas are never bad for future innovation. But like you say "We will see"... I still dont get the point of making it seem like a total loss of hope. Kind of pathetic.
Yeah so basicly its doing what WAR did but with different aspects of MMO's but yet most DF followers say that WAR is no good. lol wrong. War is simplified RvR. War has two factions and thats it. DarkFall has 3 that interact in a bit more unique way. Alfar are enemies to all other races. Orcs and Mahirim are allies (Sort of). Human, Dwarf and Mirdaine are allies. While these 3 sides are actually at war with each other they can also be friends or atleast clansmates. Meaning you can have mixed race clans. Other than the RvR there are no other similarities to War that I can think of and even the RvR is a bit more complex in DarkFall than in War so that comparison fails as well. I wouldn't play War over DarkFall personaly you may like it and thats fine I just don't. War is just to much of a step backwards for me compaired to what DarkFall has to offer and I just can't support any more MMO's that want to force the grind for gear on me. If I can not have the freedom to do as I want in game then I don't play very long. I played UO for a little over 9 years. I haven't come close to even a Half of that with other MMO's. Sandbox ftw.
The whole race thing reminds me of EQ with the ikshhar lizzard people or however you spelt it. Hated by all but there own kind. But yeah DF will be FTW if its pulled off.
Thats not developer friendly often to try to satisfy customer needs but Aventurine try to do this with the means of what an independent small developer has at disposal.
Many of the concepts and ideas are not new, new is to stick to them instead of build a new WoW clone.
Its like Asterix ..all the world is in the hands of the quick and fast WoW money..all ? no ..a small indie developer tries to implement ideas beyond WoW some of them are old but connecting to the ideas in the roots of MMO can't be bad thing..one of them being connecting to a seamless world and second basic idea try to explore, learn and growth with unique experiences and possibilities for every individual instead of mechanical guidance in what to do next.
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Its just funny that the DF fanboi's are saying this game will be a breath of fresh air, but yet nobody said that there is anything new about this game. Then they badmouth WAR and other games saying that they are just clones of games and bring nothing new.
Did I not mention non-static mob spawns? It's not a small feature FYI.
That should be new, or at least I can't think of any game that has made it the way DF does.
you seem to have missed replying to one that answers your question and renders your argument done, cukimunga
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I am a total cheerleader for darkfall, If fails so what, But judging from what i have read and seen give all the bugs and error's you got and i will still play! Bugs can be work out and patched, they have made so many promises and eight years in development , well 8 is extensive but hopefully it will be finished. Remember who called it vaporware? Funcom and those conan guys! Well i saw Erling Ellingson at the local hardware store yesterday buying a shovel. Either he's in deep sh#$ or that was for his grave-site!
Did I not mention non-static mob spawns? It's not a small feature FYI.
That should be new, or at least I can't think of any game that has made it the way DF does.
Full loot, FFA PvP, FPS in a MMORPG, no instances and a seamless world to roam and explore, city sieging, seabattles is something that sticks out from the other crap we been spoonfed with last years.
Have a nice day
I love seeing you guys say YAY FULL LOOT 1337 omg FTW !!!! THis concept is just retarded in every way. Whats the point? You can never wear anything thats rare or you will be ganked when someone sees it...( hell your going to get ganked anyways but for the sake of argument ) This is how the world in df is going to end up.
Someone is going to go and find a rare item then there will be a ground of people waiting just outside to gang bang him and take everything he has. so now this one person is alone with nothing not even the gay armor he had on because wereing anything else is just stupid sence it will get stolen.
And something like this is going to happen everywere just because people can. You all talk about this game has conseqences, : if you randomly attack someone people will here about it and hunt you: i have heard this one somewere. or something of the same meaning. Ok here is a translation : you kill someone randomly hes going to tell his guild on you and there going to come rape you: ok soo whats differant then anyother open wold pvp game?
As for the OP NOTHING everything about this game has been done before. There just doing it again. And im talking about the game not the company making it. The FEATURES in the game are not new are not inovative could the game work out and be fun maybe? but i think its going to fail hard.
NO the target market for this game will not be discouraged becouse of full loot, thats actualy one of the larger selling points , the only "croud' it will discourage is the market that they are not even aiming for in making this game , so no loss there .
Nothing , it is an old school real game with well integrated features and everything that used to be good about MMOs. Simple really.
The innovation is in the nerve to go back to what was good, and not continue with the currnt trash being released.
Wasn't this the same line some of us fell for a while back with Vanguard?
No not at all , from the start it was to be a next gen group based yet simi casual mmorpg, a cross between Eq/WoW tho it didnt take as much from Eq as i would have liked. A lot of the devs had max lv characters in wow they played regularly, specialy jeff butler , he is a huge wow fan and even said so in one of the VG dev vids saying he had multiple max 'lv toons . They had always talked about how someone can log in for a few hours a day and still get things done . Anyone watching the dev vid's knew it wasnt going to be a true "old school" mmorpg .
Full loot, FFA PvP, FPS in a MMORPG, no instances and a seamless world to roam and explore, city sieging, seabattles is something that sticks out from the other crap we been spoonfed with last years.
Have a nice day
FFA PvP there are games that have that, Vanguard for one.
FPS in a MMORPG, DDO has a twitch base combat system, you click to swing your weapon and you can aim where you shoot your bow and also can dodge attacks by rolling out of the way.
Sea battles have been in games as well, POTBS and Century Voyage.
City Sieging, AoC and WAR
As for a seemless world, some DF fan said the dungeons were zoned. Now if IM wrong I apologize.
And wasn't Full loot in UO?
So I see nothing new.
Have a nice day
No game has all the elements that DF will have.Different games have had pieces of what DF will offer.DF brings so many great elements together in one game.
Arawon great post!
This is going to be the game too change mmo's and if don't guess what i will eat my words and have cake later. And while where at it stop posting build your own mmo if that is what you desire, OH wait, that is work not posting>big smile>big smile!!
I had already stated that very same thing back on page one but because it wasn't in the form of the usual fanboi/hater rant it went totally ignored. Sometimes I don't know why I bother.
Edit: Well it's page one for me anyways...I sometimes forget that I reset my posts per page to 20 so for most of you I think it would be on page two.
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Yeah so basicly its doing what WAR did but with different aspects of MMO's but yet most DF followers say that WAR is no good. But I guess its all personal preferance. Now what Im going to say may not make sense to people it makes sense to me. lol
While WAR may not be a breath of freash air, its a breath of marijuana smoke and is fun. Same goes for Darkfall for some people, im just not a big fan off FFA PvP or Full loot other than that I think it would be a good game.
If you bothered to read the replies you might notice I just listed 9 things that makes DF innovative compared to other current mmorpgs. Let me boil it down to the 6 most important. So if you think there is nothing innovative about DF then please show me just one other mmorpg that has these features:
1) No instances.
2) FFA everywhere, no safe zones, full loot,
3) Collision detection with friendly fire.
4) Manual aim, no target-lock/tab-lock.
5) 200 vs 200 people can fight with 40+ fps.
6) 4 newbs fresh out of char generator can kill one veteran.
And no its not doing the same as WAR, WAR hasnt even got ONE of the main features I listed. WAR is VERY close to WoW, alot of the game aspects are exactly the same. DF on the other hand... well short of the fantasy theme DF is a completely different game than WoW/WAR.
Your remark about how DF is the same as WAR tells me that you don't really seem to "get it" - I suspect that you haven't played a sandbox mmorpg before. I am not dissing you, just trying to inform you. Think about it for a while, what these features I list up there actually means.
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Nothing , it is an old school real game with well integrated features and everything that used to be good about MMOs. Simple really.
The innovation is in the nerve to go back to what was good, and not continue with the currnt trash being released.
erm?
as far as i can tell this is not oldschool at all....not sure what mmo you think is oldschool then?
Darkfall seems to be huge and have so many different things that other mmo s never had....
theres alot of readig about it ....like f.e. NO levels ....
Yeah so basicly its doing what WAR did but with different aspects of MMO's but yet most DF followers say that WAR is no good. But I guess its all personal preferance. Now what Im going to say may not make sense to people it makes sense to me. lol
While WAR may not be a breath of freash air, its a breath of marijuana smoke and is fun. Same goes for Darkfall for some people, im just not a big fan off FFA PvP or Full loot other than that I think it would be a good game.
one of the main differences is COMBAT ....no need to target someone to do anything .....i like WAR and the lore and the rvr ...BUT i get frustrated (after playing aoc and ddo active non autoattack combat) that i cant SWING MY AXE when i feel like it .....
DF is going for a global world where fleets citys are build ..where on PC can teach other PC skills...where if ye run in front of yer ally that shoots at an ennemy you will get shot instead..
they re going for a more 'realistic' approach...
Yeah so basicly its doing what WAR did but with different aspects of MMO's but yet most DF followers say that WAR is no good.
lol wrong. War is simplified RvR. War has two factions and thats it. DarkFall has 3 that interact in a bit more unique way. Alfar are enemies to all other races. Orcs and Mahirim are allies (Sort of). Human, Dwarf and Mirdaine are allies. While these 3 sides are actually at war with each other they can also be friends or atleast clansmates. Meaning you can have mixed race clans. Other than the RvR there are no other similarities to War that I can think of and even the RvR is a bit more complex in DarkFall than in War so that comparison fails as well.
I wouldn't play War over DarkFall personaly you may like it and thats fine I just don't. War is just to much of a step backwards for me compaired to what DarkFall has to offer and I just can't support any more MMO's that want to force the grind for gear on me. If I can not have the freedom to do as I want in game then I don't play very long. I played UO for a little over 9 years. I haven't come close to even a Half of that with other MMO's. Sandbox ftw.
Nothing , it is an old school real game with well integrated features and everything that used to be good about MMOs. Simple really.
The innovation is in the nerve to go back to what was good, and not continue with the currnt trash being released.
So you actually played the game?
Nothing new just old ideas rehashed. Trying to recapture the magic that was old UO. Will it work? Time will tell I'm not betting on it because gamers now are not the same as gamers back then. There are quite flankly SO MANY more ass holes that play mmos then there used to be.
"So you actually played the game? Nothing new just old ideas rehashed." Have YOU played it? I see a lot of irony in the attempt to turn "Well integrated features" Into "Just old ideas rehashed" Last time I checked there was a difference between something being "hashed" and something being completely overturned. Its like overhauling a vehicle motor, It can be total crap, dated, and worthless, and you can still get it shining gold again time and time again with enough effort. Now whats the need to making something look worse for no reason. Old ideas are never bad for future innovation. But like you say "We will see"... I still dont get the point of making it seem like a total loss of hope. Kind of pathetic.
The whole race thing reminds me of EQ with the ikshhar lizzard people or however you spelt it. Hated by all but there own kind. But yeah DF will be FTW if its pulled off.
Thats not developer friendly often to try to satisfy customer needs but Aventurine try to do this with the means of what an independent small developer has at disposal.
Many of the concepts and ideas are not new, new is to stick to them instead of build a new WoW clone.
Its like Asterix ..all the world is in the hands of the quick and fast WoW money..all ? no ..a small indie developer tries to implement ideas beyond WoW some of them are old but connecting to the ideas in the roots of MMO can't be bad thing..one of them being connecting to a seamless world and second basic idea try to explore, learn and growth with unique experiences and possibilities for every individual instead of mechanical guidance in what to do next.
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Did I not mention non-static mob spawns? It's not a small feature FYI.
That should be new, or at least I can't think of any game that has made it the way DF does.
you seem to have missed replying to one that answers your question and renders your argument done, cukimunga