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  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by ProfRed


    Why aren't people allowed to enjoy it?  Oh that's right they are..  In game..  Where they are having fun.  What have you been up to?



     

    When did we say you can't enjoy the game?  Oh, that's right...we didn't. 

    I don't see why we can't debate about what you like vs. what we did not like. 

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  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,495
    Originally posted by mike470

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    Why aren't people allowed to enjoy it?  Oh that's right they are..  In game..  Where they are having fun.  What have you been up to?

     

    When did we say you can't enjoy the game?  Oh, that's right...we didn't. 

    I don't see why we can't debate about what you like vs. what we did not like. 

     

    When did I say you had to like it?  I didn't, but the OP still felt he needed to make this post whining about whiners, or is it whining about people who whine about whiners...

    Either way it has nothing to do with the game, and this post helps to make these forums what they are known for in being more about petty crap than anything constructive about the game. 

  • SeregostSeregost Member Posts: 10

     This is what I think everyone needs to understand and realize about the MMORPG scene today. MMORPGs started out as a completely underground style of game play. It had never been seen or done before, and while it was profitable to those who did pick up on it, it was in no way or form a common way of gaming. So what happened to make it the market it is today? Devs and investors took what worked for those games, made it easier and more acessable for the masses, and marketed it.

     Now because of that, you have to realize that most of the time when it comes to putting out something for the masses, you will NEVER please everyone while you are at the same time pleasing eveyone. The old days of MMORPGs are mostly over, because more than not devs are making games that they know will appeal to the masses of players. Can you blame them? No not really, because they want to be able to make money and be successful just like everyone else on this planet. So with that comes a certain safety net that most devs will fall back onto. It's not worth it for them to make something new an innovative that might not sell as well, when they can simply improve off what has already been done, knowing that it WILL sell.

     That does not mean however that one day something new might not come out. Eventually something new and innovative will come out, but it will not be popular right away and will more than not be overlooked until a big investor takes a lot of money and markets it correctly. Once that happens, I guarantee that the MMORPG "basis" that is in place now will be the games of old.

     You can compare the MMORPG scene to other entertainment markets such as tv and music. For example..

    TV: Reality shows. These started out as underground and not quite so popular. Years later, there is a FLOOD of reality shows out now adays, and it won't stop anytime soon. Why? Because it sells. Now does that mean that everyone enjoys reality tv? Absolutly not. I can not stand them. I never have, and I never will. However, the masses DO, thus they will continue to be made. 

    Music: Pop music is a prime example. Take the Jonahs Brothers. They are insanely popular right now. Why? You got me, I have no idea what-so-ever. They do nothing for me, but apparently they do for the masses. And it's not only pop music, it's all forms of music. I love metal, but can not stand 95% of what is being put out now adays. However, there are more people that do enjoy that style, thus it's the style that the music market looks for when scouting new bands.

    So basically here's the rundown. Not everyone will like what is being put out, but more people will enjoy it vs those who do not. For those who do not, that's OK. For those who do, I'm happy for you that you found something that you can enjoy! Everyone just needs to realize that when it comes to mass production, it takes away "individual" personality and adds more of a general "social" personality. Some people fit better in the "social" personality than others do. There is no need for people to attack each other and call each other out for simple differences in opinions.

  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by ProfRed

    Originally posted by mike470

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    Why aren't people allowed to enjoy it?  Oh that's right they are..  In game..  Where they are having fun.  What have you been up to?

     

    When did we say you can't enjoy the game?  Oh, that's right...we didn't. 

    I don't see why we can't debate about what you like vs. what we did not like. 

     

    When did I say you had to like it?  I didn't, but the OP still felt he needed to make this post whining about whiners, or is it whining about people who whine about whiners...

    Either way it has nothing to do with the game, and this post helps to make these forums what they are known for in being more about petty crap than anything constructive about the game. 



     

    Explaining why you didn't like a game isn't 'petty crap'; it is the point of public forums: to express one's opinion.  Don't agree with this opinion?  Fine, argue about it. 

    Pretty crap and well thought out reasoning have big differences.  Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't make it 'petty crap' it means it is (obviously) a controversial issue; which could be led on with discussion.

    I will voice my opinion, you will voice your opinion; none of which are petty crap.

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  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,495
    Originally posted by mike470

    Originally posted by ProfRed

    Originally posted by mike470

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    Why aren't people allowed to enjoy it?  Oh that's right they are..  In game..  Where they are having fun.  What have you been up to?

     

    When did we say you can't enjoy the game?  Oh, that's right...we didn't. 

    I don't see why we can't debate about what you like vs. what we did not like. 

     

    When did I say you had to like it?  I didn't, but the OP still felt he needed to make this post whining about whiners, or is it whining about people who whine about whiners...

    Either way it has nothing to do with the game, and this post helps to make these forums what they are known for in being more about petty crap than anything constructive about the game. 


     

    Explaining why you didn't like a game isn't 'petty crap'; it is the point of public forums: to express one's opinion.  Don't agree with this opinion?  Fine, argue about it. 

    Pretty crap and well thought out reasoning have big differences.  Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't make it 'petty crap' it means it is (obviously) a controversial issue; which could be led on with discussion.

    I will voice my opinion, you will voice your opinion; none of which are petty crap.

     

    My post was in response to the OP I haven't read anything by you that expressed an opinion, and if I did I wouldn't question it unless you said something ridiculous like 'WoW has more rvr and chat.'

  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by ProfRed


     
    My post was in response to the OP I haven't read anything by you that expressed an opinion, and if I did I wouldn't question it unless you said something ridiculous like 'WoW has more rvr and chat.'



     

    I'm not that crazy

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  • dinomut05dinomut05 Member Posts: 39

    i do understand what abrhamm is saying . i bought this game and i hated it..i mean if you like it you do..if you dont you dont..but no matter what you always have tools showing up biteing at your arse with those same rants about wow..i did play wow for like 4yrs but by no means do i think its a "very good" mmo im a sandbox player that likes to grind,not a 1-2hr player that loggs on to capp 8 char. per account

     

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  • BladinBladin Member UncommonPosts: 1,089
    Originally posted by Abrahmm

    Originally posted by Bladin


    let's take a look at your post creation history
    You have a post stating how you want WAR to fail that way devs want to make YOUR type of game.
    Then this post.
     
    Then we look into the topics you've posted in.
    (note these are all in the WAR section, which you are in to troll)
    Whether you think they are better than WoW or not is your opinion, but I think everyone can agree they aren't a 9. I would put AoC around a 9 for graphics. I would give WAR maybe a 7 for graphics.
    You don't grade games based on each other, since crysis came out, does that mean every pc game needs to be as good as that, or they should get like 5-7s?  Why gears of war came out, and every 360 game has to be as good as it or better or they lose points?
    Yes, that is the whole idea of a rating system. If something isn't as good as something else in a specific are, why would it get the same rating?
    No, the rating system is not meant to be used as such.  Look at tales of vesperia a solid 8ish graphics, but is it even close to say GoW? no it's not.  Should that lower it's rating to a 5? No.
    The graphics are on par with WoW(possibly even worse)
    This is obviously a troll statement.  Obvious to anyone who plays the game and has the settings on max. and has actually played wow.
    Thats my opinion. Sorry t differs from yours. Doesn't make it trolling.
    Yes it does.  Because the graphics are way better then WoWs, even on a screenshot to screenshot basis it's obvious to anyone who's played both games.  It's not even a opinion. A opinion would be saying the STYLE is better.  And that's not what you said.
    Yes, because people dislike a completely mediocre game,


    It must be such a fantastic game for you to come here threatened by it with your lust for open sandbox.
    That was another post against a rabid fanboi lashing out at people for not liking WAR
    Why were you even in the topic, you hated war before you even played it?
    If this game is everything and more, how could anyone be looking for something that isn't on the market?
    Why do you feel the need to challenge people on their dislike of the game? I don't challenge you on your liking of the game.
    Every post you make about WAR has been challenging peoples like of the game.
     This thread wasn't until you turned it into it.
    This thread is a attack/whine against the fans of the game who post in disagreement with negative posts.
    I'm SICK TO DEATH OF YOU SANDBOX SCUM. WE GET IT
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    WAR was NEVER stated to be this, so please take yourself and go back to one of the 20 million sandbox posts spamming every single forum, and enjoy.


     

    You are the prime example of why I made this thread. Thanks

     

    No.  I said you are more then welcome to not like the game.  You are trolling against it.  And that's why i'm attacking you.

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  • ganbeeganbee Member Posts: 233

    OMG, go back to WOW hater! J/K Game sucks!

  • BladinBladin Member UncommonPosts: 1,089
    Originally posted by mike470

    Originally posted by Bladin  
    I'm SICK TO DEATH OF YOU SANDBOX SCUM. WE GET IT
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.




     

    I'M SICK OF OVERHYPED GAMES THAT ARE NOTHING SPECIAL.

    I'M SICK OF PLAYING THE SAME CRAP AGAIN AND AGAIN.

    I WANT SOMETHING INNOVATIVE; NOT THE SAME THING WITH SPRINKLES.

    See, I can yell in big caps to get my point across too.

    See here's the thing. WAR has always been what it is. Nothing special? completely subjective, i think it does quite a few things which are special, and are great.  But not everything in war is great.

    You don't have to, nobody has ever stated that everyone has to play every mmorpg.

    NEWSFLASH if you don't like the type of game of WAR and WoW then good for you.  Nobody cares. These games don't have to please you.  Your type just has to come push your views on what mmorpgs should be to everyone else.

    What exactly is innovative? There isn't a mmorpg coming out in the next 5 years that is innovative. Even the praised "Darkfall" by your crowd, is not innovative, but rather like WAR is a evolution of wow, darkfall is a evolution of UO.  It doesn't do anything truely innovative.(beyond the creature spawning system, but DnL promised something similar, so lets wait and see how it actually is before we decide on if its evolution or innovation

     

    I yelled in caps, because frankly i've argued and posted in conversations against your type enough, but you keep spamming these forums.

     

    Not every game is made for everyone.

    You like sandbox mmorpgs, with open pvp etc etc.

    Guess what?  That has nothing to do with WAR.  You people take WARs design as a insult upon yourselves that you must attack to bring value to your own idea of mmorpgs.

    another NEWSFLASH.  If you people don't like WAR you don't have to come here.

     

    Guess what? i defended AoC before release, and i'll still defend the topics i argued against, but i really dislike AoC and everything about it.

    I posted my feelings in AoC forum, and I don't troll the forums posting in every thread why it sucks.

    Calm down, realize WAR is not for you, and that's okay.

     

    As i said before, WAR to me is only a 7.8 game. I'm not a diehard fan. The game is nowhere near the quality of a 9 or 10 game.

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  • JonnyBigBossJonnyBigBoss Member UncommonPosts: 702

    Because it's the best MMO ever made to date. That's why.

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001
    Originally posted by Bladin

    Originally posted by Abrahmm

    Originally posted by Bladin


    let's take a look at your post creation history
    You have a post stating how you want WAR to fail that way devs want to make YOUR type of game.
    Then this post.
     
    Then we look into the topics you've posted in.
    (note these are all in the WAR section, which you are in to troll)
    Whether you think they are better than WoW or not is your opinion, but I think everyone can agree they aren't a 9. I would put AoC around a 9 for graphics. I would give WAR maybe a 7 for graphics.
    You don't grade games based on each other, since crysis came out, does that mean every pc game needs to be as good as that, or they should get like 5-7s?  Why gears of war came out, and every 360 game has to be as good as it or better or they lose points?
    Yes, that is the whole idea of a rating system. If something isn't as good as something else in a specific are, why would it get the same rating?
    No, the rating system is not meant to be used as such.  Look at tales of vesperia a solid 8ish graphics, but is it even close to say GoW? no it's not.  Should that lower it's rating to a 5? No.
    No...thats a bad example...
    TOV is a cell shaded game/art style and GOW is realsitic...
    you cant compare the two...bad example is bad
    The graphics are on par with WoW(possibly even worse)
    This is obviously a troll statement.  Obvious to anyone who plays the game and has the settings on max. and has actually played wow.
    Thats my opinion. Sorry t differs from yours. Doesn't make it trolling.
    Yes it does.  Because the graphics are way better then WoWs, even on a screenshot to screenshot basis it's obvious to anyone who's played both games.  It's not even a opinion. A opinion would be saying the STYLE is better.  And that's not what you said.
    Thats still his opinion and you cant do a thing about it. and i pretty sure he means art rather tha polygon count
    Yes, because people dislike a completely mediocre game,


    It must be such a fantastic game for you to come here threatened by it with your lust for open sandbox.
    That was another post against a rabid fanboi lashing out at people for not liking WAR
    Why were you even in the topic, you hated war before you even played it?
    If this game is everything and more, how could anyone be looking for something that isn't on the market?
    Why do you feel the need to challenge people on their dislike of the game? I don't challenge you on your liking of the game.
    Every post you make about WAR has been challenging peoples like of the game.
     This thread wasn't until you turned it into it.
    This thread is a attack/whine against the fans of the game who post in disagreement with negative posts.
    no..its about the fans unable to take critism
    I'm SICK TO DEATH OF YOU SANDBOX SCUM. WE GET IT
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    YOU WANT OPEN SANDBOX, SKILL BASED, WE GET IT.
    WAR was NEVER stated to be this, so please take yourself and go back to one of the 20 million sandbox posts spamming every single forum, and enjoy.


     

    You are the prime example of why I made this thread. Thanks

     

    No.  I said you are more then welcome to not like the game.  You are trolling against it.  And that's why i'm attacking you.

     

    Take a chill pill dude

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  • ganbeeganbee Member Posts: 233

    Go play the game you like too defend, stop posting go play. Oh forgot something the game sux!

  • DreadbladeDreadblade Member Posts: 384

    WoW fanboi's have nothing on these WAR fanbois, they remind me of...... The AoC fanbois, then it was too late. This game has a longer GC then WoW, a fan base that seems immature, and god forbid you bash this game. Then when Mythic goes and screws up the grace period it is still ok. The launch sucked the server lag sucks, the combat is slow and the animations suck, oh and the imbalance in the end will kill it.

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  • ganbeeganbee Member Posts: 233

    e misread feel stupid

     

  • Balthaazar1Balthaazar1 Member Posts: 531

    People are aloud to hate it.. they just have to use accurate facts while doing so. Also, a majority of the people here Enjoy, Warhammer. Therefore, you won't see alot of hate, and most that does show up is just trolling, with baited arguments and misconstructed facts.

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  • slask777slask777 Member Posts: 706
    Originally posted by Narshe


    There's nothing wrong with people disliking the game, everyone's entitled to their opinion. There is something wrong, however, when they just can't seem to let go of that and continously try to ruin it for other people and go off on a crusade to prevent others from trying it.

    You mean like the community over here do with the people who like WoW?

    Anyway, the new mmo feeling will fade in time. Everything new is fun for a while. Wait and see in a few months when most people playing now are capped and done most of what WAR offers at the moment. You are allowed to dislike or like a game though, but the trolls will shoot you down no matter what, or atleast try to. That's forums for you

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  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,495
    Originally posted by slask777

    Originally posted by Narshe


    There's nothing wrong with people disliking the game, everyone's entitled to their opinion. There is something wrong, however, when they just can't seem to let go of that and continously try to ruin it for other people and go off on a crusade to prevent others from trying it.

    You mean like the community over here do with the people who like WoW?

    Anyway, the new mmo feeling will fade in time. Everything new is fun for a while. Wait and see in a few months when most people playing now are capped and done most of what WAR offers at the moment. You are allowed to dislike or like a game though, but the trolls will shoot you down no matter what, or atleast try to. That's forums for you

     

    If you knew the people from WoW who posted here, and read their posts you would understand why WoW players get a bad name.  Just read up on coffee, bodypass, and fingis posts and threads.  They are the main three from the WoW community who come over this way.  You seem intelligent and literate.  Please read their posts/threads.

  • NetspookNetspook Member UncommonPosts: 1,583
    Originally posted by Bladin


    You don't like the game.  You've posted here about it.  Why do you continue to bash in your ideas and ideals ti war topics?
    That's why your a war troll.



    By your own definition, you are probably the worst troll here, at least in this thread.

    Just count how many times you replied here.

    But in you fanboy mind, only your kind is allowed to post multiple times. You are undoubtly one of those the OP is talking about.

  • DreadlichDreadlich Member UncommonPosts: 597

    The problem is that some people do nothing else on this site but flame WAR. There are plenty of games I dislike, but I don't go to a single one's forum and say crap about them. WAR has just been released and is definitely a playable and enjoyable (for some) game with minimal issues. Let people make up their own minds. Most of the negative posts in this forum are from people that seem to be on some kind of crusade. Move on.

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  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202
    Originally posted by Dreadblade


    WoW fanboi's have nothing on these WAR fanbois, they remind me of...... The AoC fanbois, then it was too late. This game has a longer GC then WoW, a fan base that seems immature, and god forbid you bash this game. Then when Mythic goes and screws up the grace period it is still ok. The launch sucked the server lag sucks, the combat is slow and the animations suck, oh and the imbalance in the end will kill it.



     

    Go play a fps? Same GCD as WoW, grace period is fixed, server lag was fine for me was on a med pop server no problem, animations are amazing.

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  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001
    Originally posted by Dreadlich


    The problem is that some people do nothing else on this site but flame WAR. There are plenty of games I dislike, but I don't go to a single one's forum and say crap about them. WAR has just been released and is definitely a playable and enjoyable (for some) game with minimal issues. Let people make up their own minds. Most of the negative posts in this forum are from people that seem to be on some kind of crusade. Move on.

     

    lol you should see the failcom clan...

    they do nothing but troll aoc...

    some have 500+ post of nothing but troll.

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  • ReijnReijn Member UncommonPosts: 26

    i see the op point on this and a few have proven his point a number of times in this very thread.

    i was in WaR beta i thought the game was ok (I WANT MY CHOPPA BACK) but have lots of things i didnt like and lots of things i did like, but why should he as a person that doesnt like Prove with posts, links and a effing slideshow the things that he sees wrong when U as the person that defends the game doesnt back up with the same.

    Opinions are just that a personal feeling and thoughts on a subject, if u dont like somes opinion stop reading or reply with something useful.

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  • fordzillafordzilla Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 100
    Originally posted by Bladin


    Also abe, I'd like to suggest to you, that you just stop going to mmorpg.com for a couple weeks since you are.
    1. A war troll.
    2. A sandbox skill based mmo fan.
    3. Still bitter over SWG.
     
    Pretty much sums it up.  Once the forums calm down, and your rage has subsided from the fact that people actually like WAR and are not following you like sheeple, then come back and continue on with your posting.

     

    case in point. some want this game to be a hit so bad they trample anyone who says different.

  • ZertyrZertyr Member UncommonPosts: 263
    Originally posted by Bladin


    Abe, people are allowed to hate the game, they are allowed to not like it.
    The thing simply is.
    For us who have actually played the game, we can see the bullshit coming from the posts.  Heck I'd have to give WAR a 7.8 myself right now, and i love the game.  There are problems.
    But just because has a opinion, does not mean you can just ignore the facts of the subject.

     

    this is just the problem, I played WAR for a long time now and I would only rate it as a 6 tops atm. And that is based on game functionality, customer support  and overall enjoyment of the game. But as soon as someone posts anything negative you get answers like you post here, you seem to think your "facts" overrides everyone elses facts. And what are these facts you talk about? its just a word until you put meaning to it. Is the fact that one of the Mythic guys drive a black care? sure, that is prolly true. But you need to open your eyes and understand your facts are not the same facts others have. This is the main issue with the fanboi community that builds up usually, they only see everything from their own narrow views.

     

    WAR will be great, still far from it atm due to issues and so on, but i am sure it will be good.

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