Yes and haveing no chance of winning an open RvR castle to get your T2 renown gear lose's it's luster really quickly.
I know thats been a problem for me. I havent gotten renown gear since I left tier 1. Its a joke and the longer it goes on the less I want to play, I was planning on playing WAR alot but honestly I cant stommach more then an hour or so at a time because I dont want to just quest and grind PQs all day. Scenarios are nifty but more often then not we lose tier 2 scenarios because they are all some sort of flag hold and WE HAVE NO TANKS to protect and hold the flag and all we fight are tanks on the destruction side.
The server I'm on seems to be balanced very well. On looking at the servers it says high on both order and destruction, sometimes locked on destruction sometimes. Still even with that going on, we get our asses handed to us every now and then. The last few times I've logged on and did any RvR, it's been a loss to Order. So again, I think it's a server thing. I'm on Ironfist and the balance is really decent.
It is also because of the people who are playing each side. Order players tend to be a bit more solo oriented, while Destruction players have a more ganglike mentality. Also Order players are more prone to role playing and PvE, and Destruction has more hardcore PvPers. That's a broad generalization and I am sure there are many exceptions to that, but as a whole it is an accurate statement. Unfortunately as time goes by we are going to see Order populations dropping off as Order players grow tired of the shallow PvE while Destruction players revel in their dominance. There needs to be a third faction like in DAoC. I don't think there is any in the lore of the Warhammer universe, but I'm not that familier with Warhammer, so I could be wrong.
Well, actually, in the Warhammer universe, almost every race hates and wants to exterminate every other race. Humans and Dwarves have an alliance in the actual lore, not sure about the High Elves, the Dark Elves, Orks, and Chaos would NEVER work together unless they had some mutual enemy or something.
This gets even worst when you get into the WH40k universe when the Eldar (think High Elves in space) will basically kill any other race. Same goes for the Chaos, Orks, Dark Eldar, and many of the other races.
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The server I'm on seems to be balanced very well. On looking at the servers it says high on both order and destruction, sometimes locked on destruction sometimes. Still even with that going on, we get our asses handed to us every now and then. The last few times I've logged on and did any RvR, it's been a loss to Order. So again, I think it's a server thing. I'm on Ironfist and the balance is really decent.
Again, high/high and full/full servers dont have any problems because there are equal numbers of players. What we are talking about isevery server EXCEPT for the 5 or 6 who have those large populations. They are effed in terms of balance and no fun to play Order at all.
Yeah after being compelety destroyed all day long i'm not gonna bother with pvp anymore, i don't mind losing but when we don't even stand a chance then that is something else, i'll just keep with the pve then i dunno after that...
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
if you asking whats the point of playing order maybe you should play dest
I think the typical order player plays order not cos its cool or pwns everyone.. but cos its order, the ligh, the right choice for whoever cares about everyone around and not just himself/herself.
Its still early in WAR, give it a few months, eventually the servers will settle down. Take the experience of DAoC. When the servers settle down, we know which side is having an upper hand in a certain server and vice versa on another server. If its a full blown advantage of one side on all servers, expect a nerfing bat. If its just server imbalance, its up to mystic to encourage more new entrants for the losing side.
Say in those days, Midgards dominates in the Percival server (before the calamity of ToA). While Albians rules on another one (name I forgot). Given such situation, the developers cannot nerf anyone. What they did is they beefed up the Hibs eventually (after I left the game, I heard about it). On the other hand, they can encourage ppl to join the losing side by expediting the levelling process there, say you can start as lvl 30 with a decent set of armor on selected sides of selected servers. Trust Mystic, they will try to help the imbalance. They want RvR to be fun so they can enjoy subscription fees.
Its too early to say Detro wins, especially since much of the raids and many classes are still missing or being tuned. It will take time before we see the patterns, before players learn how to make use of their alts, before gangs are formed, solid core raid parties who can beat casual PUGs of equal numbers.
If you must play on the winning side now, go destro. Its true there are far fewer ppl on the order side. Dwarf starter towns are ghost towns during low population hours. If you love the dwarves, like I do, you will go and die as a dwarf, and feel honored. If you are not in a hurry, play both and see which side finally wins your heart. I have a dwarf on one server, and I am planning to start an orc or whatever on another.
Well if thats the case, maybe pick a different server. I still think it'll balance out. It's a fluid situation which could change on a daily basis. Who knows. Just pick servers where the balance is how you like it, and you should be fine.
While that may work for a single player it doesnt work for guilds. You cant just tell everyone to re roll on another server and hope for the best there. I know I for one dont want to play the 1-15 game anymore, I did that about 5 times now, not even counting for multiple classes.
Balance is effed atm, because there is none unless your on a full server. the KotBS needs to be put in regardless of state because we NEED tanks to balance the game.
I've been reading a lot of posts worrying about balance on the WHA forums. One guy made an interesting point that the aesthetics of destruction vs order is the biggest threat to the success of the game right now.
I think that's always been the problem and people saw this coming long before release.
I've played a tank like character in every mmo i've played, and i always go for the good side if there is a choice. But i just couldn't get into the Swordmaster at all (Dwarf is never an option for me) When the wife first saw me playing she was like "why did you make a female toon?" I mean it is actually hard to tell the difference. He's running around in a skirt for gods sake.
To all the replies saying hey give it some time, it will balance out. I really don't think that is an option either.
A lot of order will either reroll Destruction or just pve, and the pve in this game is weak at best, and is basically only there as a filler. We already have 40's and im guessing there reknown rank aint too high^^
When they get to 40 and have to pvp, and find they are even worse off than they were in the mid levels i see a lot of cancelled subs
It just baffles me how they could make a basically purely pvp game, yet make one side so universally unattractive to the vast majority of players and expect it to balance.
It's not so much the art style in general - I for example love how the humans look. Order probably suffers the most from the lack of human tank. I for example don't want to roll a dwarf, and while I don't like my chars to be a hulking mass of spikes and stuff and normaly enjoy chars that look like WH or WP, elves look extremely pansy.
I rolled an elf SM yesterday, because I figured some more tanks could be useful on the order side, and I made it a female just because of the pansy male look.
basicaly chaos has tanks that look like tanks, and order has tanks which are either pansy or midgets. We could really use a human knight from the aesthetics standpoint
i play order got exactly the same problem with the population issue.
first 11 levels were fun, open rvr was even and we was actually wining some scenarios (and i could buy reown gear.
Now in tier 2.. well i have nothing to say appart from what PQs i have done, even that is hard due to the lack of tanks and total lack of order, open RvR is worthless and we get owned in scenarios due to order being populated by squishys (bright wizards mostly).
Before some happy player says "well you could change sever or roll dest" you can feck off really.
Thought mythic would have seen this comming.
destruction classes just look so much more interesting than the order.. don't know why but they do, maybe its how mythic wanted it. As people have said previously i believe this to be the main reason for this populations issue, i mean, whos wants to play a queer elf in a "war".. ah who knows why they made them like that.
What's the point? Dwarves. And their whole idealogy. It's like the Crusaders in medieval times. Superstition surrounding witches, burn the heretics, etc. It's fun being the crazies. That, and Destruction classes look UGLY. And the whole dark/death thing will get old quickly.
Well if one side is lacking "tanks" you could always flow over to a differn't area where they are lacking tanks. I'm pretty sure that would solve the problem. Nobody said you ever had to stay strictly in your starting area's.
Well if one side is lacking "tanks" you could always flow over to a differn't area where they are lacking tanks. I'm pretty sure that would solve the problem. Nobody said you ever had to stay strictly in your starting area's.
It's not just a lack of tanks in certain areas it's just the complete lack of tanks in general thats killing order ATM.
Orcs.. you cant see your toon's head while playing, only if you keep the camera rotated.
Goblins... little annoying creatures
Dark elves... well.. Goth chicks... there's a romour spreading, that those without tits are actually male, but I can hardly believe it.
Empire: crazy looking mages with even more crazier hair, bald and tough warrior priests, and witchhunters with their cool hat... it's my choice... All my friends rolled destruction, I wanted to play with them, but after I tried every race there, I wanted to quit the game on my first day...
but then I decided to leave that server and roll a warrior priest somewhere else , I didnt regret it.
I see no reason to play Order on a server that does not hav e a full population. Order rarely controls anything in open RVR, on Drifting Castle I have NEVER seen a single keep go Order since the Headstart began. Ever. When we do attempt to take keeps or control points we are either completely and totally outnumbered, or only outnumbered a little bit in which case we will still have 1 tank to their 8 or 9 and this leads to having to beat on their troops for about 3 times as long as it takes for them to beat on ours. One time I lead 15 people averaging lvl 15 into Ostland in order to take a Keep, there were no Destruction there at all. We got into the Keep easily, got past all the guards easily, but the Keep Lord would ust go around one shotting us, we had 2 tanks one 14, one 17, and they would both die so quickly from the 4 champs and one Hero that the healers couldnt keep them alive. I am sorry but right now I see no reason to participate in any sort of open RvR as my Order character, and honestly Scenarios suffer from the lack of tanks as well. I would say that at least 50% of players who would play as a Tank do not want to be a Dwarf or an Elf, we need our KotBS back...
Because the order sides only good toons are DPS or Ranged DPS Chars. If you want to tank you want to be on the destruction side because well people just love to be bad vs. good. I want to roll a good side char but it was going to be DPS so i wouldnt want to be a tank. Also who wants to be a damn Dwarf Tank also. Dwarfs are just plain ugly IMO and that only leaves swordmasters.
But in most RvR games is there alot of people who like the Good Side anyways?
I think what's happened is that the hardcore RvR guilds are crushing people in scenarios and Open RvR. The good thing is they will level fast, and be gone. I've already noticed on my server, that Order is starting to do a lot better in tier 1 RvR. Last night was the first time we've won a scenario that I've been in, and we won a lot more than we lost. Or maybe people are finally figuring out you have to kill the healer.
Ah I was playing a Sword Master and I actually liked him. I mean its very hard to make a male high elf... 99% of the faces look like they got punced in or... should have "Emo" as a title.
I found one I could deal with. (then again I think the high elf females are fairly fugly in comparison to the dark elf females.. regardless).
Personally I wouldn't have an issue playing "a tank". Which is odd because I normally don't like playing tank classes at all.
Scenario's kind of turned me off because we had a complete lack of healers (often). Or your healer(s) are off somewhere.. since you aren't getting healed and they didn't die.
I went into a few scenario's where the entire rest of my team was BW, SW and WH's.
We'd be met by a tank/healer heavy destruction set with some ranged dps in the back ground. So I went to do other stuff for a while.. had much better luck roaming the open areas.. as I could in general find fights I could win.
Ah sorry that got a bit long... maybe I'll start up with my tank again.. tho my server is mostly dead after T1 from what I can see...regardless.
Hmmmm, what would happen if say one day everyone that played "Order" decided to either go to the other side or stop playing altogether? What become of RvR when one side doesn't have the numbers to compete? The of course we have the issue of forcing people to take the other side once a specific number has been attained. May not bode well for the future of this game unless more folks decide to go to Order to make it more competitive.
This is what I've been saying for the last few days ,whats worrys me the servers i've tryed have slowly been loseing order players who have rerolled dest.
What will happen will be some Destruction guilds will be made to go Order or forced to a new server. The Order guilds on some over populated servers will get enhancments to there charcters.
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Orcs.. you cant see your toon's head while playing, only if you keep the camera rotated.
Goblins... little annoying creatures
Dark elves... well.. Goth chicks... there's a romour spreading, that those without tits are actually male, but I can hardly believe it.
Empire: crazy looking mages with even more crazier hair, bald and tough warrior priests, and witchhunters with their cool hat... it's my choice... All my friends rolled destruction, I wanted to play with them, but after I tried every race there, I wanted to quit the game on my first day...
but then I decided to leave that server and roll a warrior priest somewhere else , I didnt regret it.
That's great and im happy for you, really. And im sure there are other order players who feel the same way.
I myself am playing a Witch Hunter and a lot of the reason, is to me at least they are by far the coolest looking class in the game right now. Unfortunately it's blatantly obvious that we are in the minority.
In tier 1 my reknown rank was always equal to my level or no more than one level behind. Since hitting tier 2 the gap has widened considerably. I'm relying on influence from pq's now and pve mostly as open rvr is basically a non starter at least on my server at the moment. I've yet to see order control a keep in tier 2, and on the few occasions we tried it was hopelessly one sided.
If i wanted to just pve, there are better games out there for that.
I really love the core gameplay here and what they tried to do. And i think it's the best game to come out in a long time. Unfortunately i just keep getting this nagging thought that i should lay off it for a while and see if it balances out in a couple of months.
Trouble with that, is if a lot of other order players are starting to think that way, you destruction guys are gonna get pretty bored having no one to kill.
I know my guild deliberately rolled Order because we wanted to step away from the zerg that has become the Chaos side. We figured it would pin us up against tougher competition, as a lot of notorious guilds have gone to the Chaos faction.
I love my class on the order side; it's probably one of the only reasons I keep playing Order. Archmage is just that enjoyable to me. However, I 100% agree on the cosmetic differences being downright outlandish. You can't even look remotely interested as an Elf Priest. The customization options for the Elves were so limited and bland, it's almost as if Order was an afterthought. I mean seriously, it's bad enough having to wear a frilly man-dress, but couldn't there at least be some cool accessories for my character?
However, it seems to me that the Order side is usually out-manned. I'm on the Badlands, and while we definitely hold our own, even the battles we win aren't usually evenly matched...
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For me, I really like the Order classes better. (though I do like my Black Orc alot, he is totoally indestructable). But the Witch Hunter, Bright Wiz, Ironbreaker, Runepriest, Shadow Warrior all seem more fun than their counterparts.
Order seems to win more Scenarios on average as well.
The big problem is being able to buy your t2 reknown gear on the Order side. It seems on almost every server Order is shut out from owning ANY keeps to be able to make purchases and reknown training. And taking over a keep is a real challenge when there are 30 Destruction sitting in there, almost impossible.
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Yes and haveing no chance of winning an open RvR castle to get your T2 renown gear lose's it's luster really quickly.
I know thats been a problem for me. I havent gotten renown gear since I left tier 1. Its a joke and the longer it goes on the less I want to play, I was planning on playing WAR alot but honestly I cant stommach more then an hour or so at a time because I dont want to just quest and grind PQs all day. Scenarios are nifty but more often then not we lose tier 2 scenarios because they are all some sort of flag hold and WE HAVE NO TANKS to protect and hold the flag and all we fight are tanks on the destruction side.
The server I'm on seems to be balanced very well. On looking at the servers it says high on both order and destruction, sometimes locked on destruction sometimes. Still even with that going on, we get our asses handed to us every now and then. The last few times I've logged on and did any RvR, it's been a loss to Order. So again, I think it's a server thing. I'm on Ironfist and the balance is really decent.
Well, actually, in the Warhammer universe, almost every race hates and wants to exterminate every other race. Humans and Dwarves have an alliance in the actual lore, not sure about the High Elves, the Dark Elves, Orks, and Chaos would NEVER work together unless they had some mutual enemy or something.
This gets even worst when you get into the WH40k universe when the Eldar (think High Elves in space) will basically kill any other race. Same goes for the Chaos, Orks, Dark Eldar, and many of the other races.
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Again, high/high and full/full servers dont have any problems because there are equal numbers of players. What we are talking about isevery server EXCEPT for the 5 or 6 who have those large populations. They are effed in terms of balance and no fun to play Order at all.
Yeah after being compelety destroyed all day long i'm not gonna bother with pvp anymore, i don't mind losing but when we don't even stand a chance then that is something else, i'll just keep with the pve then i dunno after that...
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
if you asking whats the point of playing order maybe you should play dest
I think the typical order player plays order not cos its cool or pwns everyone.. but cos its order, the ligh, the right choice for whoever cares about everyone around and not just himself/herself.
Its still early in WAR, give it a few months, eventually the servers will settle down. Take the experience of DAoC. When the servers settle down, we know which side is having an upper hand in a certain server and vice versa on another server. If its a full blown advantage of one side on all servers, expect a nerfing bat. If its just server imbalance, its up to mystic to encourage more new entrants for the losing side.
Say in those days, Midgards dominates in the Percival server (before the calamity of ToA). While Albians rules on another one (name I forgot). Given such situation, the developers cannot nerf anyone. What they did is they beefed up the Hibs eventually (after I left the game, I heard about it). On the other hand, they can encourage ppl to join the losing side by expediting the levelling process there, say you can start as lvl 30 with a decent set of armor on selected sides of selected servers. Trust Mystic, they will try to help the imbalance. They want RvR to be fun so they can enjoy subscription fees.
Its too early to say Detro wins, especially since much of the raids and many classes are still missing or being tuned. It will take time before we see the patterns, before players learn how to make use of their alts, before gangs are formed, solid core raid parties who can beat casual PUGs of equal numbers.
If you must play on the winning side now, go destro. Its true there are far fewer ppl on the order side. Dwarf starter towns are ghost towns during low population hours. If you love the dwarves, like I do, you will go and die as a dwarf, and feel honored. If you are not in a hurry, play both and see which side finally wins your heart. I have a dwarf on one server, and I am planning to start an orc or whatever on another.
While that may work for a single player it doesnt work for guilds. You cant just tell everyone to re roll on another server and hope for the best there. I know I for one dont want to play the 1-15 game anymore, I did that about 5 times now, not even counting for multiple classes.
Balance is effed atm, because there is none unless your on a full server. the KotBS needs to be put in regardless of state because we NEED tanks to balance the game.
I've been reading a lot of posts worrying about balance on the WHA forums. One guy made an interesting point that the aesthetics of destruction vs order is the biggest threat to the success of the game right now.
I think that's always been the problem and people saw this coming long before release.
I've played a tank like character in every mmo i've played, and i always go for the good side if there is a choice. But i just couldn't get into the Swordmaster at all (Dwarf is never an option for me) When the wife first saw me playing she was like "why did you make a female toon?" I mean it is actually hard to tell the difference. He's running around in a skirt for gods sake.
To all the replies saying hey give it some time, it will balance out. I really don't think that is an option either.
A lot of order will either reroll Destruction or just pve, and the pve in this game is weak at best, and is basically only there as a filler. We already have 40's and im guessing there reknown rank aint too high^^
When they get to 40 and have to pvp, and find they are even worse off than they were in the mid levels i see a lot of cancelled subs
It just baffles me how they could make a basically purely pvp game, yet make one side so universally unattractive to the vast majority of players and expect it to balance.
It's not so much the art style in general - I for example love how the humans look. Order probably suffers the most from the lack of human tank. I for example don't want to roll a dwarf, and while I don't like my chars to be a hulking mass of spikes and stuff and normaly enjoy chars that look like WH or WP, elves look extremely pansy.
I rolled an elf SM yesterday, because I figured some more tanks could be useful on the order side, and I made it a female just because of the pansy male look.
basicaly chaos has tanks that look like tanks, and order has tanks which are either pansy or midgets. We could really use a human knight from the aesthetics standpoint
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i play order got exactly the same problem with the population issue.
first 11 levels were fun, open rvr was even and we was actually wining some scenarios (and i could buy reown gear.
Now in tier 2.. well i have nothing to say appart from what PQs i have done, even that is hard due to the lack of tanks and total lack of order, open RvR is worthless and we get owned in scenarios due to order being populated by squishys (bright wizards mostly).
Before some happy player says "well you could change sever or roll dest" you can feck off really.
Thought mythic would have seen this comming.
destruction classes just look so much more interesting than the order.. don't know why but they do, maybe its how mythic wanted it. As people have said previously i believe this to be the main reason for this populations issue, i mean, whos wants to play a queer elf in a "war".. ah who knows why they made them like that.
What's the point? Dwarves. And their whole idealogy. It's like the Crusaders in medieval times. Superstition surrounding witches, burn the heretics, etc. It's fun being the crazies. That, and Destruction classes look UGLY. And the whole dark/death thing will get old quickly.
Well if one side is lacking "tanks" you could always flow over to a differn't area where they are lacking tanks. I'm pretty sure that would solve the problem. Nobody said you ever had to stay strictly in your starting area's.
It's not just a lack of tanks in certain areas it's just the complete lack of tanks in general thats killing order ATM.
Honestly, im on total different opinion.
Chaos is like some fat hairy motorcycle club,
Orcs.. you cant see your toon's head while playing, only if you keep the camera rotated.
Goblins... little annoying creatures
Dark elves... well.. Goth chicks... there's a romour spreading, that those without tits are actually male, but I can hardly believe it.
Empire: crazy looking mages with even more crazier hair, bald and tough warrior priests, and witchhunters with their cool hat... it's my choice... All my friends rolled destruction, I wanted to play with them, but after I tried every race there, I wanted to quit the game on my first day...
but then I decided to leave that server and roll a warrior priest somewhere else , I didnt regret it.
Because the order sides only good toons are DPS or Ranged DPS Chars. If you want to tank you want to be on the destruction side because well people just love to be bad vs. good. I want to roll a good side char but it was going to be DPS so i wouldnt want to be a tank. Also who wants to be a damn Dwarf Tank also. Dwarfs are just plain ugly IMO and that only leaves swordmasters.
But in most RvR games is there alot of people who like the Good Side anyways?
I think what's happened is that the hardcore RvR guilds are crushing people in scenarios and Open RvR. The good thing is they will level fast, and be gone. I've already noticed on my server, that Order is starting to do a lot better in tier 1 RvR. Last night was the first time we've won a scenario that I've been in, and we won a lot more than we lost. Or maybe people are finally figuring out you have to kill the healer.
Ah I was playing a Sword Master and I actually liked him. I mean its very hard to make a male high elf... 99% of the faces look like they got punced in or... should have "Emo" as a title.
I found one I could deal with. (then again I think the high elf females are fairly fugly in comparison to the dark elf females.. regardless).
Personally I wouldn't have an issue playing "a tank". Which is odd because I normally don't like playing tank classes at all.
Scenario's kind of turned me off because we had a complete lack of healers (often). Or your healer(s) are off somewhere.. since you aren't getting healed and they didn't die.
I went into a few scenario's where the entire rest of my team was BW, SW and WH's.
We'd be met by a tank/healer heavy destruction set with some ranged dps in the back ground. So I went to do other stuff for a while.. had much better luck roaming the open areas.. as I could in general find fights I could win.
Ah sorry that got a bit long... maybe I'll start up with my tank again.. tho my server is mostly dead after T1 from what I can see...regardless.
Hmmmm, what would happen if say one day everyone that played "Order" decided to either go to the other side or stop playing altogether?
What become of RvR when one side doesn't have the numbers to compete?
The of course we have the issue of forcing people to take the other side once a specific number has been attained.
May not bode well for the future of this game unless more folks decide to go to Order to make it more competitive.
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This is what I've been saying for the last few days ,whats worrys me the servers i've tryed have slowly been loseing order players who have rerolled dest.
What will happen will be some Destruction guilds will be made to go Order or forced to a new server. The Order guilds on some over populated servers will get enhancments to there charcters.
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That's great and im happy for you, really. And im sure there are other order players who feel the same way.
I myself am playing a Witch Hunter and a lot of the reason, is to me at least they are by far the coolest looking class in the game right now. Unfortunately it's blatantly obvious that we are in the minority.
In tier 1 my reknown rank was always equal to my level or no more than one level behind. Since hitting tier 2 the gap has widened considerably. I'm relying on influence from pq's now and pve mostly as open rvr is basically a non starter at least on my server at the moment. I've yet to see order control a keep in tier 2, and on the few occasions we tried it was hopelessly one sided.
If i wanted to just pve, there are better games out there for that.
I really love the core gameplay here and what they tried to do. And i think it's the best game to come out in a long time. Unfortunately i just keep getting this nagging thought that i should lay off it for a while and see if it balances out in a couple of months.
Trouble with that, is if a lot of other order players are starting to think that way, you destruction guys are gonna get pretty bored having no one to kill.
I know my guild deliberately rolled Order because we wanted to step away from the zerg that has become the Chaos side. We figured it would pin us up against tougher competition, as a lot of notorious guilds have gone to the Chaos faction.
I love my class on the order side; it's probably one of the only reasons I keep playing Order. Archmage is just that enjoyable to me. However, I 100% agree on the cosmetic differences being downright outlandish. You can't even look remotely interested as an Elf Priest. The customization options for the Elves were so limited and bland, it's almost as if Order was an afterthought. I mean seriously, it's bad enough having to wear a frilly man-dress, but couldn't there at least be some cool accessories for my character?
However, it seems to me that the Order side is usually out-manned. I'm on the Badlands, and while we definitely hold our own, even the battles we win aren't usually evenly matched...
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1. Shorter queue times. Somebody probably already said that.
2. You like losing.
For me, I really like the Order classes better. (though I do like my Black Orc alot, he is totoally indestructable). But the Witch Hunter, Bright Wiz, Ironbreaker, Runepriest, Shadow Warrior all seem more fun than their counterparts.
Order seems to win more Scenarios on average as well.
The big problem is being able to buy your t2 reknown gear on the Order side. It seems on almost every server Order is shut out from owning ANY keeps to be able to make purchases and reknown training. And taking over a keep is a real challenge when there are 30 Destruction sitting in there, almost impossible.