For you "hardcore" full loot FFA PvP people...

Abrahmm

I have a serious question. You all claim DF will be so great because of the FFA PvP, full loot, skill based features. Well my question is, why aren't you guys playing Eve Online then? It seems that almost everything you guys are asking for is already available in Eve, so I'm curious as to why you guys aren't playing that game? Or maybe you are and are still waiting for DF, I dunno.

elihup

A lot of the Darkfall fanbase does play eve.  I tried it, but wasnt really into the space scene, prefer fantasy.

imbant

well yea we claim that because that is what interests us and excites us...

im not really sure how this is confusing...but while eve shares a similar gameplay idea with full loot open pvp...it is still an extremely different game.

very simply...it is a completely different drama in sci-fi rather than fantasy.  i dont know if sci-fi is the accurate description, but you know what im getting at.

the combat is extremely different, the "world" and your character couldnt be more different.

yes they share full loot pvp....but they are still extremely different games.

 

edit: i also play eve casually since it allows for that...have about 11m sp and just log on to do some yarring from time to time and its good fun, but just isnt 100% for me due to the setting.

Aragon100

Originally posted by elihup


A lot of the Darkfall fanbase does play eve.  I tried it, but wasnt really into the space scene, prefer fantasy.

 

Same here.

I wan't to fight a pixel fantasy character not a spaceship in outer space.

I want forests to roam through and mountains to climb. Seas to travel. Dungeons to explore.

EvE and DF is as Imbant says, two totally different games.

 

Abrahmm

Originally posted by imbant


well yea we claim that because that is what interests us and excites us...
im not really sure how this is confusing...but while eve shares a similar gameplay idea with full loot open pvp...it is still an extremely different game.
very simply...it is a completely different drama in sci-fi rather than fantasy.  i dont know if sci-fi is the accurate description, but you know what im getting at.
the combat is extremely different, the "world" and your character couldnt be more different.
yes they share full loot pvp....but they are still extremely different games.
 
edit: i also play eve casually since it allows for that...have about 11m sp and just log on to do some yarring from time to time and its good fun, but just isnt 100% for me due to the setting.

 

Yes, they are completely different play styles, but I never see anyone praising DF for it's fantasy theme, or it's characters or world. Everyone seems to be clammering for FFA PvP, full loot, and skill based. Perhaps the other parts are just implied to these users.

I suppose a major reason I have less appeal for DF is that I don't care for Fantasy very much and think it is way over done.

Boreil

For me and im sure a LOT of other people ,  its because they are not even close to the same type of game . EvE is a  SciFi Space flight mmo , DFO is a Mideval/fantacy  sword and sorcery type mmo .

 

My self i dont get into anything too SciFi or futuristic realy , i prefer stuff like EQ/Daoc/SB  etc etc type settings in my MMorpgs .

Blodpls

I don't play it because it's point and click, if you could control your ship Elite style I would play it.

Locklain

EVE was not really interesting to me.  It was more like an interactive screensaver than an actual game.  Sure it has one of the best ingame economies around, it just wasn't fun.

If DFO can bring everything to the table that they are promising it will be a kick ass game.  But for now I will remain sceptical and hide in the background.

Keeper2000

I left EvE long ago because I found it boring.  No, I am not saying EvE is a bad game.  I think it's a great game.  I just found it boring for me.

I will add that EvE is not a FFA PvP anymore, it has lots of safe zones.  Neither is really full looting (clones).  And it's a space game... not a fantasy one.

And I didnt like much the concept of leveling skills while off line.  But thats me.  I know many people that play EvE and like the concept.

I mean EvE is not exactly what DFO promises to be.

 

Abrahmm

Originally posted by Keeper2000


I left EvE long ago because I found it boring.  No, I am not saying EvE is a bad game.  I think it's a great game.  I just found it boring for me.
I will add that EvE is not a FFA PvP anymore, it has lots of safe zones.  Neither is really full looting (clones).  And it's a space game... not a fantasy one.
And I didnt like much the concept of leveling skills while off line.  But thats me.  I know many people that play EvE and like the concept.
I mean EvE is not exactly what DFO promises to be.
 

 

So you don't support any safe zones at all? Sounds like a person that only wants to pick on weak characters to me. And how do clones not make it full loot? You blow their ship up,  you can take whatever they had that wasn't destroyed. How is that not full loot?

sOultO

Originally posted by Abrahmm

 

So you don't support any safe zones at all? Sounds like a person that only wants to pick on weak characters to me. And how do clones not make it full loot? You blow their ship up,  you can take whatever they had that wasn't destroyed. How is that not full loot?

 

does it sound to you, like he is a person, that only wants to pick on weak chatracters?

well, it doesnt sound like that to me.

now i am wondering, why it sounds to you this way...

measuring someone.. can someone help me with the quote, i have problems with english..

GundamAce

Actually, I do play Eve and I'm still waiting for DF.

StopidFanboi

Because they are like totally different games.

daarco

I liked EVE. And it was the FFAPvP and full loot that made me play it. Without that its just another space game. But in the end, the gameplay proved to be to boring for me. Hours infront of the screen and only checking up in different menys. A more real time based combat had realy made me a permanent EVE player.

Just as Infinity wil have.

GundamAce

Originally posted by daarco


I liked EVE. And it was the FFAPvP and full loot that made me play it. Without that its just another space game. But in the end, the gameplay proved to be to boring for me. Hours infront of the screen and only checking up in different menys. A more real time based combat had realy made me a permanent EVE player.
Just as Infinity wil have.

 

Yeah, and to be honest, it wouldn't even be a very good space game without the FFAPvP elements.  I love what the looting and PvP system has done for that game's economy and political system, and I hope to see that incoporated into an interesting setting with a solid FPS structure and the depth of customization of a good MMO.

spankybus

I SHOULD love Eve, but it was just too slow for me. Combat felt kinda dull, at least PvE. I don't actually fly the ship, and i don't really aim the weapons. PvP with fleets must be fun, but i never had the time to get into that...I like to call Eve my favorite Boring Game. I always go back and give it some time, but it never really sticks. Bummer, but there you go.

Keeper2000

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Keeper2000


I left EvE long ago because I found it boring.  No, I am not saying EvE is a bad game.  I think it's a great game.  I just found it boring for me.
I will add that EvE is not a FFA PvP anymore, it has lots of safe zones.  Neither is really full looting (clones).  And it's a space game... not a fantasy one.
And I didnt like much the concept of leveling skills while off line.  But thats me.  I know many people that play EvE and like the concept.
I mean EvE is not exactly what DFO promises to be. 

 So you don't support any safe zones at all? Sounds like a person that only wants to pick on weak characters to me. And how do clones not make it full loot? You blow their ship up,  you can take whatever they had that wasn't destroyed. How is that not full loot?

I didnt say if I support or not safe zones.  You are reading what you want and not what I said.

I said EvE has safe zones (a fact) and DFO is promising to have almost none.

So, I will answer now your question: Do I support safe zones? Yes and no.  I do think high developted characters should be heavily penalized for attacking new characters.

That is not necessary achieved with safe zones.

Then saying that anyone that doesnt support safe zones sounds like people wanting to kill "weak" characters is pretty awesome assumption done by yourself.  For example, safe zones usually doesnt allow "weak" players to fight each others.  So if safe zones are implemented like that, that will lower the PvP for "weak" charactersm, then I may be against that implementation.

Now, the use of "weak" is not correct, imho.  Weak can be a fully developted character.  I think you meant newbies.  But newies that doesnt know anything about the game or newbies because they low skilled?  I cant say low levels because this will be a sandbox so using the term weak is discussable.  I will use low developed, and when I do I am refering to characters which skills are still low.

I think you were refering to that.

Now, "how is that no full looting?" First, I want to clarified that I should put "clone" in the other place because it, obvisouly, refer to skills and not loot.  Clones lowered the risk of pvping.

About the full looting... for it to be full loot must be both ways.  Not only the winner should be able to take all but the losser should lose all too.  That's part of the pvp risk.

Insurances changed that.  Ok, you cant insuranced the modules.  Yes, even the more expensive insurance just covered... 99%?  I cant remember right now.  You cant insurance everything but you can insurance yourself from part of the losing!  So, imo, its not Full looting.

The Full looting and the FFA PvP in EvE are restricted.  DFO promise to have much less restrictions than those of EvE.  I am not saying which is better.  I am saying that imo they are not exactly the same.

 

singsofdeath

Originally posted by Keeper2000

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Keeper2000


I left EvE long ago because I found it boring.  No, I am not saying EvE is a bad game.  I think it's a great game.  I just found it boring for me.
I will add that EvE is not a FFA PvP anymore, it has lots of safe zones.  Neither is really full looting (clones).  And it's a space game... not a fantasy one.
And I didnt like much the concept of leveling skills while off line.  But thats me.  I know many people that play EvE and like the concept.
I mean EvE is not exactly what DFO promises to be. 

 So you don't support any safe zones at all? Sounds like a person that only wants to pick on weak characters to me. And how do clones not make it full loot? You blow their ship up,  you can take whatever they had that wasn't destroyed. How is that not full loot?

I didnt say if I support or not safe zones.  You are reading what you want and not what I said.

I said EvE has safe zones (a fact) and DFO is promising to have almost none.

So, I will answer now your question: Do I support safe zones? Yes and no.  I do think high developted characters should be heavily penalized for attacking new characters.

That is not necessary achieved with safe zones.

Then saying that anyone that doesnt support safe zones sounds like people wanting to kill "weak" characters is pretty awesome assumption done by yourself.  For example, safe zones usually doesnt allow "weak" players to fight each others.  So if safe zones are implemented like that, that will lower the PvP for "weak" charactersm, then I may be against that implementation.

Now, the use of "weak" is not correct, imho.  Weak can be a fully developted character.  I think you meant newbies.  But newies that doesnt know anything about the game or newbies because they low skilled?  I cant say low levels because this will be a sandbox so using the term weak is discussable.  I will use low developed, and when I do I am refering to characters which skills are still low.

I think you were refering to that.

Now, "how is that no full looting?" First, I want to clarified that I should put "clone" in the other place because it, obvisouly, refer to skills and not loot.  Clones lowered the risk of pvping.

About the full looting... for it to be full loot must be both ways.  Not only the winner should be able to take all but the losser should lose all too.  That's part of the pvp risk.

Insurances changed that.  Ok, you cant insuranced the modules.  Yes, even the more expensive insurance just covered... 99%?  I cant remember right now.  You cant insurance everything but you can insurance yourself from part of the losing!  So, imo, its not Full looting.

The Full looting and the FFA PvP in EvE are restricted.  DFO promise to have much less restrictions than those of EvE.  I am not saying which is better.  I am saying that imo they are not exactly the same.

 

 

Just for clarification, the insurance does...zit to compensate your loss to be honest. A well fitted Ship in EVE will have about 80% or more invested in the modules, rigs and things like that. The ship itself is the smallest investment. The itsy bitsy bit of cash you regain is not really lowering the blow, particularly when you have a fully fitted and rigged ship blown out from under you. So your argument is a little flawed.

 

Just wanted to point that out.

Keeper2000

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Keeper2000



Insurances changed that.  Ok, you cant insuranced the modules.  Yes, even the more expensive insurance just covered... 99%?  I cant remember right now.  You cant insurance everything but you can insurance yourself from part of the losing!  So, imo, its not Full looting.
The Full looting and the FFA PvP in EvE are restricted.  DFO promise to have much less restrictions than those of EvE.  I am not saying which is better.  I am saying that imo they are not exactly the same. 

 Just for clarification, the insurance does...zit to compensate your loss to be honest. A well fitted Ship in EVE will have about 80% or more invested in the modules, rigs and things like that. The ship itself is the smallest investment. The itsy bitsy bit of cash you regain is not really lowering the blow, particularly when you have a fully fitted and rigged ship blown out from under you. So your argument is a little flawed.

Just wanted to point that out.

Well, I want to add too that I actually like EvE's insurance.  I actually think modules shoul dbe insuranceable up to some % too... but this is not the place for me to discuss that hehehe

I am just pointing out some differences between EvE and the DFO promised features.

EDIT: But saying that my argument is a little flawed is your opinion.  The fact is that you can save a part of the lose.  You wont be able to do that in DFO.  You cant ensure your weapon or gear.  Althought maybe in time they will do something like that.  who knows?  But the fact is that you can insurance a part of the lose in EvE.

So it's not a Full looting.

 

singsofdeath

Originally posted by Keeper2000

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Keeper2000



Insurances changed that.  Ok, you cant insuranced the modules.  Yes, even the more expensive insurance just covered... 99%?  I cant remember right now.  You cant insurance everything but you can insurance yourself from part of the losing!  So, imo, its not Full looting.
The Full looting and the FFA PvP in EvE are restricted.  DFO promise to have much less restrictions than those of EvE.  I am not saying which is better.  I am saying that imo they are not exactly the same. 

 Just for clarification, the insurance does...zit to compensate your loss to be honest. A well fitted Ship in EVE will have about 80% or more invested in the modules, rigs and things like that. The ship itself is the smallest investment. The itsy bitsy bit of cash you regain is not really lowering the blow, particularly when you have a fully fitted and rigged ship blown out from under you. So your argument is a little flawed.

Just wanted to point that out.

Well, I want to add too that I actually like EvE's insurance.  I actually think modules shoul dbe insuranceable up to some % too... but this is not the place for me to discuss that hehehe

I am just pointing out some differences between EvE and the DFO promised features.

 

 

Well, it comes back to what Loot is actually worth, no? I had this discussion before, so I don't really want to start it again, but it really all depends on how "important" gear actually is in DF. If it is not important, then the Full Loot is basically pointless. If it is important, it will hurt, but then gear will have a much higher impact than what I think many people believe. We'll have to see how that balances out I guess.

Keeper2000

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Keeper2000

Well, it comes back to what Loot is actually worth, no? I had this discussion before, so I don't really want to start it again, but it really all depends on how "important" gear actually is in DF. If it is not important, then the Full Loot is basically pointless. If it is important, it will hurt, but then gear will have a much higher impact than what I think many people believe. We'll have to see how that balances out I guess.

Ops I was editing my post jsut when you posted.  Anyway, its just our opinions and I agree too in how important gear will be in DFO.

If its not important, then it wont be big deal.  If its hard to get (like in EvE), some insurance system will be demanded by many people.

Imo, Full looting (the pure version of it that DFO is promising where you lose all) can only survive in the long term if it's easy to get back gear (which DFO is promising too).

I guess we will have to wait and see what they release.

 

Zekiah

I tried EVE and thought it was ok but I'm more into medieval games and Darkfall fits the bill.

singsofdeath

Originally posted by Keeper2000


Ops I was editing my post jsut when you posted.  Anyway, its just our opinions and I agree too in how important gear will be in DFO.
If its not important, then it wont be big deal.  If its hard to get (like in EvE), some insurance system will be demanded by many people.
Imo, Full looting (the pure version of it that DFO is promising where you lose all) can only survive in the long term if it's easy to get back gear (which DFO is promising too).
I guess we will have to wait and see what they release.
 

 

Ahh, yes, indeed. And yes, to your edit, too. I read you wrong there, my apologies. Speaking by the book, EVE is not Full Loot.

Gdemami

'Full Loot' is just nonsense.

Having 'Full Loot' means you drop everything when you die -> that means you can go back and recover your items -> decreased worth of items since they can't be lost.

Someone mentioned insurance of EVE ships, think of it as XP loss / < input penlatly here> / after death in fantasy game.

Having some modules and cargo destroyed after your ship gets blown up make your loss even more painfull.

By all means 'Full Loot' < EVE looting system.

sOultO

Originally posted by Gdemami


'Full Loot' is just nonsense.
Having 'Full Loot' means you drop everything when you die -> that means you can go back and recover your items -> decreased worth of items since they can't be lost.
 
 

 

you are trolling, right?

in DFO even NPC monsters can take your items and actualy use them. not mentioning other players. why do you think, they will be waiting for you to come back?

m0j0mann

The point and click combat and movement was a huge turn-off for me. As was the levelling system.