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Richard Garriott Got Lots of Press today--but TR didn't get a plug

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  • AC1074AC1074 Member Posts: 274
    Originally posted by kinglee


     Comon guys......Richard Garriott's space trip was not done soley for the purpose to promote TR. He was fullfilling a life long dream of his. Let's face it....I don't think they would let him launch into space just to promote his game.....it would kind of be like slapping science and space exploration in the face.
     
    How is his dream anyone's problem but his own?  
     
    People keep repeating "his dream, his dream"  like it's supposed to have some magic power and we're supposed to respond, "Well, of course!  Of course! Richard must be satisfied!"    Well, investors in NcSoft had a dream of a blockbuster game.    How about noticing  his colossal selfishness for a minute and looking at all the people he has let down!
     
     It so happens that RG has financial interests in Space Adventures, the tourism company that's sending him up in the Soyuz--he's an investor, a board member, and claims to have helped start Space Adventures.  His involvement is on the Space Adventures website, and he boasts of it often in interviews, far more press than he has ever given to NcSoft or his game.   He spent a lot of time in the past seven  years looking after his interest in Space Adventures.  During that same time he was supposed to have been creating a hit game.
     
    So Space Adventures competed for his attention with Tabula Rasa.  That  is why the other company is relevant to the game.
     
    And his NcSoft customers are disappointed in having a promise broken with an incomplete and unsatisfactory  game.  Likewise, there is also a space tourist who had dreams of going to the ISS in 2006 and  gave a lot of money to Space Adventures to make it happen, but it didn't happen.  His name is Enomoto and you can search up the Wired.com.



     

    It is his dream! Good for him and I am happy that he wanted to do something which is probably once in a lifetime opportunity. Now, if it turns out NCsoft screwed Richard Garriott somewhere along the development process of TR then so be it. That's no being selfish if he decided to walk and pursue other ventures. The guy is a millionaire he can do what he wants.  Selfish? Not to me but to someone else... maybe.

    Yeah a lot of the early TR players are disappointed the game isn't more but I am sure there is a reason why it is.

  • RokurgeptaRokurgepta Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,136
    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Rokurgepta

    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I watched the launch Video on Youtube. Richard Garriott did hold up a Logos Sign during lauch (how creative!!). As far as the game being a "success" I am not saying it was a huge margin success but in my opinion it's better off than some of the other MMO titles in existence.....a few SOE titles and what not come to mind. I just think TR still has potential...if the devs deliver the content.



     

    So far they have shown no ability to deliver the content. Do the math TR has at best 35k subs. The new NCSoft report should be out this week and we can do the math again. It probably has the smallest population of any mainstream MMO right now. They might turn a profit in year 15 if they continue at the current pace.

    Every part of TR that was supposed to come out after launch has either been put on hold or changed so much over time as to not be what was originally planned and the ones they put out all seem to be less original and amazing than the first ideas. To me that is the sign the dev team can not deliver on its promises or ideas. It is a shame because those ideas were a big part of what made TR sound great.

     

    Which SOE titles come to mind? Be specific and stop generalizing.



     

    Well, I am not exactly disagreeing with you. Yes, no major new content, expansions or big updates have been released. The latest patch did introduce some new quests but nothing significant.  I believe they have already replaced the lead designer of the game....not for sure though. Somewhere along the formula, I think Richard Garriott got shafted......hence forth his reasons for doing his own personal venture.

    SOE titles comon....lets see there is Matrix online and Pirates of the burning sea. Some would argue about EQ2, TR is doing better than some of those titles. At least TR is standing on its own. The only thing saving those other titles is the fact they are being grouped with a few other titles SOE has thrown together with station access pass to play all of them for a monthly fee. 

    So yeah, if NCsoft is smart they will get Richard Garriott on board full time or risk a loss.   



     

    They have lost the lead person twice now. They are on their third this year. They have also lost Critters and GM ROFL in the last month.

    TR had about 35k paying subs the last time NCSoft put out a Quarterly report. TR cost supposedly 60million to create and is on pace to make roughly 6 million this year. AT this pace they are looking at 10 years to recoup expenses prelaunch. Now figure whatever they are paying in salary and expenses each month and realize that they will not start paying those off until year 11.

    TR is not standing on its own. It is a financial disaster. Making back 10% of prelaunch money the first year is not a good business plan. RGs star is not burning so brightly these days and getting him on board full time most likely will not save this game.

  • kingleekinglee Member Posts: 103

      Now, if it turns out NCsoft screwed Richard Garriott somewhere along the development process of TR then so be it. That's no being selfish if he decided to walk and pursue other ventures.

     

    Absurd, dimwitted remark.  You must be of the ilk that collects his toenail clippings.

     

     NcSoft didn't screw RG, quite the contrary.  NcSoft paid him enormous sums for his talent and effort, and waited six years for him to fulfill his part of the bargain.  We see what they got, and it doesn't look like either talent or effort.

     

    Not selfish to take investors' money for his ride, but fail to focus effort and talent to deliver?   To spend six years doing everything but creating a game, and now layoffs, shutdowns, dissapointed DREAMS from all the "little people" you don't care much about.    What then is "selfishness"?    Your definition isn't anything normal.

     

    We see what's happening in the market today  because corporate  executives were lazy, self-indulgent  did not do their jobs.   It's called a "recession."  There's a vocubulary word for you to look up and learn, like "selfishness."

     

     

  • AC1074AC1074 Member Posts: 274
    Originally posted by kinglee


      Now, if it turns out NCsoft screwed Richard Garriott somewhere along the development process of TR then so be it. That's no being selfish if he decided to walk and pursue other ventures.
     
    Absurd, dimwitted remark.  You must be of the ilk that collects his toenail clippings.
     
     NcSoft didn't screw RG, quite the contrary.  NcSoft paid him enormous sums for his talent and effort, and waited six years for him to fulfill his part of the bargain.  We see what they got, and it doesn't look like either talent or effort.
     
    Not selfish to take investors' money for his ride, but fail to focus effort and talent to deliver?   To spend six years doing everything but creating a game, and now layoffs, shutdowns, dissapointed DREAMS from all the "little people" you don't care much about.    What then is "selfishness"?    Your definition isn't anything normal.
     
    We see what's happening in the market today  because corporate  executives were lazy, self-indulgent  did not do their jobs.   It's called a "recession."  There's a vocubulary word for you to look up and learn, like "selfishness."
     
     

    LOL....ok look. This is what I am saying. The bottom line is as a "customer" we get what they put out. If we don't like product then we don't buy it or in this case subscribe. The truth of the matter is we as customers don't know what goes on behind the office doors of the executives. I have no clue what they paid Richard Garriott, I have no clue what the terms or expectations of his contract are and the truth of the matter is we don't know if whether or not Richard Garriott had problems with NC soft and the making of this game (as rumored there may have been issues). We just don't know the terms or conditions of Richard Garriott's work with NCsoft to make a clear judgment as to what happened.

    That being said, your telling me NCsoft can't fire Richard Garriott? Cancel the contract? NCsoft can't find anyone else to pick up the pieces? I am sure there are always ways or options to recover a "loss" as best as possible. If it turned out NCsoft wanted to do certain things than what Richard Garriott wanted to do and he decides to walk from the project then no....that's not selfish. It's a conflict of interest, it's his project and his name they are using.They have to decide what do next. Yes it is unforunate layoffs happen....but they do happen and from what I can tell the video game industry is a lucrative business...it's not very stable. It's not fair to blame everything on Richard Garriott. Of course "little people" pick up move on and look for work....not sit around and wait for "hand outs".



     

  • RokurgeptaRokurgepta Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,136
    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by kinglee


      Now, if it turns out NCsoft screwed Richard Garriott somewhere along the development process of TR then so be it. That's no being selfish if he decided to walk and pursue other ventures.
     
    Absurd, dimwitted remark.  You must be of the ilk that collects his toenail clippings.
     
     NcSoft didn't screw RG, quite the contrary.  NcSoft paid him enormous sums for his talent and effort, and waited six years for him to fulfill his part of the bargain.  We see what they got, and it doesn't look like either talent or effort.
     
    Not selfish to take investors' money for his ride, but fail to focus effort and talent to deliver?   To spend six years doing everything but creating a game, and now layoffs, shutdowns, dissapointed DREAMS from all the "little people" you don't care much about.    What then is "selfishness"?    Your definition isn't anything normal.
     
    We see what's happening in the market today  because corporate  executives were lazy, self-indulgent  did not do their jobs.   It's called a "recession."  There's a vocubulary word for you to look up and learn, like "selfishness."
     
     

    LOL....ok look. This is what I am saying. The bottom line is as a "customer" we get what they put out. If we don't like product then we don't buy it or in this case subscribe. The truth of the matter is we as customers don't know what goes on behind the office doors of the executives. I have no clue what they paid Richard Garriott, I have no clue what the terms or expectations of his contract are and the truth of the matter is we don't know if whether or not Richard Garriott had problems with NC soft and the making of this game (as rumored there may have been issues). We just don't know the terms or conditions of Richard Garriott's work with NCsoft to make a clear judgment as to what happened.

    That being said, your telling me NCsoft can't fire Richard Garriott? Cancel the contract? NCsoft can't find anyone else to pick up the pieces? I am sure there are always ways or options to recover a "loss" as best as possible. If it turned out NCsoft wanted to do certain things than what Richard Garriott wanted to do and he decides to walk from the project then no....that's not selfish. It's a conflict of interest, it's his project and his name they are using.They have to decide what do next. Yes it is unforunate layoffs happen....but they do happen and from what I can tell the video game industry is a lucrative business...it's not very stable. It's not fair to blame everything on Richard Garriott. Of course "little people" pick up move on and look for work....not sit around and wait for "hand outs".



     

    Customers who just accept what they put out are a big part of the reason games like TR get released in such poor states. A year after release and this game has a couple of hours of top level content. That alone is bad enough. Not to mention the fact that the world is tiny and the war you are supposed to be fighting feels like it barely exists. No big battles nothing epic. Mechs instead of the PAU which sounded great. TR fails to be anything innovative, besides the combat. Not enough to make an MMO.

     

  • RaltarRaltar Member UncommonPosts: 829
    Originally posted by Rokurgepta


    Customers who just accept what they put out are a big part of the reason games like TR get released in such poor states. 



     

    You are talking about the people who say things like "Aw, the game just came out! Give them a couple of years to fix it!", right?

    I HATE those people.

  • levsixlevsix Member UncommonPosts: 363

    He has the Tabula Rasa logo on his mission patch that is all over the news. He also did some queer stuff like sending Logos messages from space (a rune system used in the game).

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  • RokurgeptaRokurgepta Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,136
    Originally posted by Raltar

    Originally posted by Rokurgepta


    Customers who just accept what they put out are a big part of the reason games like TR get released in such poor states. 



     

    You are talking about the people who say things like "Aw, the game just came out! Give them a couple of years to fix it!", right?

    I HATE those people.



     

    I also mean the people who no matter what lie they get told still cheer. The people who feel if you are unhappy you should quietly go away. People who do not seem to understand that pacifists have never changed anything in the world.

  • AC1074AC1074 Member Posts: 274

    I can't tell you how many times I have heard this when it comes to MMOs. Not everyone was in Beta and it's kind of absurd to assume that everyone knows how the game is before it's released. You buy, you try and you go from there. If you don't like it you dont play it...it's that simple. It is unfair that you seem to think that everyone has the same standards as yours when it comes to MMOs. I am not saying TR is a gem in itself , but I do enjoy the game and pop in every now then to play. That's what matters...what you enjoy. 

  • Plasuma!!!Plasuma!!! Member Posts: 1,872
    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I can't tell you how many times I have heard this when it comes to MMOs. Not everyone was in Beta and it's kind of absurd to assume that everyone knows how the game is before it's released. You buy, you try and you go from there. If you don't like it you dont play it...it's that simple. It is unfair that you seem to think that everyone has the same standards as yours when it comes to MMOs. I am not saying TR is a gem in itself , but I do enjoy the game and pop in every now then to play. That's what matters...what you enjoy. 

     

    Yes, and being duped into believing that the game would be "what you enjoy" is not pleasant, and this is exactly what happened. The game was marketed to a certain audience, and they utterly failed their target. This is the outcome of their failure: angry x-fans.

    Spending money on a shitty game as a result of the typical "hype it, release it, sweep it under the rug before everyone knows it sucks" marketing scheme is somewhat irritating, you know. I bet you would despise purchasing a product which turned out NOT to be what was advertised; especially if it could not be refunded. You would likely want to speak (or type) your thoughts on this dishonesty somewhere for others to take note.

    This is why we're here. We're marketing the truth of Tabula Rasa; think of it as a service to consumers everywhere.

     

    So stop pretending to be all high and mighty. You are a consumer who enjoys a poorly marketed product, and this fact by no means gives you the right to troll unhappy customers for voicing their opinion.

  • Plasuma!!!Plasuma!!! Member Posts: 1,872
    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Rokurgepta

    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I watched the launch Video on Youtube. Richard Garriott did hold up a Logos Sign during lauch (how creative!!). As far as the game being a "success" I am not saying it was a huge margin success but in my opinion it's better off than some of the other MMO titles in existence.....a few SOE titles and what not come to mind. I just think TR still has potential...if the devs deliver the content.



     

    So far they have shown no ability to deliver the content. Do the math TR has at best 35k subs. The new NCSoft report should be out this week and we can do the math again. It probably has the smallest population of any mainstream MMO right now. They might turn a profit in year 15 if they continue at the current pace.

    Every part of TR that was supposed to come out after launch has either been put on hold or changed so much over time as to not be what was originally planned and the ones they put out all seem to be less original and amazing than the first ideas. To me that is the sign the dev team can not deliver on its promises or ideas. It is a shame because those ideas were a big part of what made TR sound great.

     

    Which SOE titles come to mind? Be specific and stop generalizing.



     

    Well, I am not exactly disagreeing with you. Yes, no major new content, expansions or big updates have been released. The latest patch did introduce some new quests but nothing significant.  I believe they have already replaced the lead designer of the game....not for sure though. Somewhere along the formula, I think Richard Garriott got shafted......hence forth his reasons for doing his own personal venture.

    SOE titles comon....lets see there is Matrix online and Pirates of the burning sea. Some would argue about EQ2, TR is doing better than some of those titles. At least TR is standing on its own. The only thing saving those other titles is the fact they are being grouped with a few other titles SOE has thrown together with station access pass to play all of them for a monthly fee. 

    So yeah, if NCsoft is smart they will get Richard Garriott on board full time or risk a loss.   

     

    Clicky

    It looks Tabula Rasa is one of the underdogs, and ironically, Ultima Online is on-par in subs. Tells you something about Richard Garriot's games, doesn't it?

    Look, even Star Wars Galaxies has more subs than TR. If SWG was using station pass numbers to boost figures, wouldn't the same strategy be applied to PotBS? It's not even on that chart, but you can see it here, though.

    I would link other sources, but google returns only game portals and forum gibberish for ""Tabula Rasa Server" +Population +Density +Numbers". I'm too lazy to lurk moar.

    /sarcasm If any other source could be provided, that would be appreciated. This source shows TR in a negative light, and I would hate for it to be the only creditable one available. /end sarcasm

     

    Really? Is Richard Garriot some kind of hero now? He started a game and ditched it for a space trip. Face it, RG made out like a bandit, and supporting him makes you look rather foolish.

  • AC1074AC1074 Member Posts: 274
    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I can't tell you how many times I have heard this when it comes to MMOs. Not everyone was in Beta and it's kind of absurd to assume that everyone knows how the game is before it's released. You buy, you try and you go from there. If you don't like it you dont play it...it's that simple. It is unfair that you seem to think that everyone has the same standards as yours when it comes to MMOs. I am not saying TR is a gem in itself , but I do enjoy the game and pop in every now then to play. That's what matters...what you enjoy. 

     

    Yes, and being duped into believing that the game would be "what you enjoy" is not pleasant, and this is exactly what happened. The game was marketed to a certain audience, and they utterly failed their target. This is the outcome of their failure: angry x-fans.

    Spending money on a shitty game as a result of the typical "hype it, release it, sweep it under the rug before everyone knows it sucks" marketing scheme is somewhat irritating, you know. I bet you would despise purchasing a product which turned out NOT to be what was advertised; especially if it could not be refunded. You would likely want to speak (or type) your thoughts on this dishonesty somewhere for others to take note.

    This is why we're here. We're marketing the truth of Tabula Rasa; think of it as a service to consumers everywhere.

     

    So stop pretending to be all high and mighty. You are a consumer who enjoys a poorly marketed product, and this fact by no means gives you the right to troll unhappy customers for voicing their opinion.

    First of all, I am not pretending to be all high and mighty . Yea I am a consumer who enjoys a poorly marketed product....so what? By no means am I trolling by saying yea I play the game and like it....that's voicing my opinion. The trolls are you guys that spam the internet forums degrading any mmo released because it is not up to your high standards. So what MMO are you playing that you absolutely think it's perfect? Let me know so I can try it.  

     

     

  • AC1074AC1074 Member Posts: 274
    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Rokurgepta

    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I watched the launch Video on Youtube. Richard Garriott did hold up a Logos Sign during lauch (how creative!!). As far as the game being a "success" I am not saying it was a huge margin success but in my opinion it's better off than some of the other MMO titles in existence.....a few SOE titles and what not come to mind. I just think TR still has potential...if the devs deliver the content.



     

    So far they have shown no ability to deliver the content. Do the math TR has at best 35k subs. The new NCSoft report should be out this week and we can do the math again. It probably has the smallest population of any mainstream MMO right now. They might turn a profit in year 15 if they continue at the current pace.

    Every part of TR that was supposed to come out after launch has either been put on hold or changed so much over time as to not be what was originally planned and the ones they put out all seem to be less original and amazing than the first ideas. To me that is the sign the dev team can not deliver on its promises or ideas. It is a shame because those ideas were a big part of what made TR sound great.

     

    Which SOE titles come to mind? Be specific and stop generalizing.



     

    Well, I am not exactly disagreeing with you. Yes, no major new content, expansions or big updates have been released. The latest patch did introduce some new quests but nothing significant.  I believe they have already replaced the lead designer of the game....not for sure though. Somewhere along the formula, I think Richard Garriott got shafted......hence forth his reasons for doing his own personal venture.

    SOE titles comon....lets see there is Matrix online and Pirates of the burning sea. Some would argue about EQ2, TR is doing better than some of those titles. At least TR is standing on its own. The only thing saving those other titles is the fact they are being grouped with a few other titles SOE has thrown together with station access pass to play all of them for a monthly fee. 

    So yeah, if NCsoft is smart they will get Richard Garriott on board full time or risk a loss.   

     

    Clicky

    It looks Tabula Rasa is one of the underdogs, and ironically, Ultima Online is on-par in subs. Tells you something about Richard Garriot's games, doesn't it?

    Look, even Star Wars Galaxies has more subs than TR. If SWG was using station pass numbers to boost figures, wouldn't the same strategy be applied to PotBS? It's not even on that chart, but you can see it here, though.

    I would link other sources, but google returns only game portals and forum gibberish for ""Tabula Rasa Server" +Population +Density +Numbers". I'm too lazy to lurk moar.

    /sarcasm If any other source could be provided, that would be appreciated. This source shows TR in a negative light, and I would hate for it to be the only creditable one available. /end sarcasm

     

    Really? Is Richard Garriot some kind of hero now? He started a game and ditched it for a space trip. Face it, RG made out like a bandit, and supporting him makes you look rather foolish.

    No...Richard Garriott is not a hero now of some kind. The fact remains that he ditched a game and went into space should tell you something. Obviously something went wrong somewhere. I support his personal goals like anyone elses. Ultima Online came out like 10 years ago....who in the heck would still be subbed to that game? Do your research on Ultima Online. You will find Richard Garriott got screwed out of that game.

     

     

  • Plasuma!!!Plasuma!!! Member Posts: 1,872
    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I can't tell you how many times I have heard this when it comes to MMOs. Not everyone was in Beta and it's kind of absurd to assume that everyone knows how the game is before it's released. You buy, you try and you go from there. If you don't like it you dont play it...it's that simple. It is unfair that you seem to think that everyone has the same standards as yours when it comes to MMOs. I am not saying TR is a gem in itself , but I do enjoy the game and pop in every now then to play. That's what matters...what you enjoy. 

     

    Yes, and being duped into believing that the game would be "what you enjoy" is not pleasant, and this is exactly what happened. The game was marketed to a certain audience, and they utterly failed their target. This is the outcome of their failure: angry x-fans.

    Spending money on a shitty game as a result of the typical "hype it, release it, sweep it under the rug before everyone knows it sucks" marketing scheme is somewhat irritating, you know. I bet you would despise purchasing a product which turned out NOT to be what was advertised; especially if it could not be refunded. You would likely want to speak (or type) your thoughts on this dishonesty somewhere for others to take note.

    This is why we're here. We're marketing the truth of Tabula Rasa; think of it as a service to consumers everywhere.

     

    So stop pretending to be all high and mighty. You are a consumer who enjoys a poorly marketed product, and this fact by no means gives you the right to troll unhappy customers for voicing their opinion.

    First of all, I am not pretending to be all high and mighty . Yea I am a consumer who enjoys a poorly marketed product....so what? By no means am I trolling by saying yea I play the game and like it....that's voicing my opinion. The trolls are you guys that spam the internet forums degrading any mmo released because it is not up to your high standards. So what MMO are you playing that you absolutely think it's perfect? Let me know so I can try it.  

     

     

     

    And I quote: "It is unfair that you seem to think that everyone has the same standards as yours when it comes to MMOs."

    Your words right there. I think it's unfair that you call this sorry excuse for a game worthy of any standard in the game industry. You're either equally opinionated or just wrong.

    We are complaining about the business ethics of MMORPG developers (and perhaps even game devs in general). They hype a half-assed product and hide their failure by not talking about it. You can't get a refund after you've been duped, either. So it's a win for them until the word-of-mouth gets around the web that the product is a scam.

    As for your question, what MMO am I playing? I am not ashamed to say Everquest 2. Perfect? Far from it, but I play because my co-workers insist on it for coffee and lunch breaks. It's a typical run-of-the-mill MMORPG.

    However, I have no problem paying for it because just reading the box tells me what I can look forward to in the game:

    • PvP combat (that isn't broken)
    • Thousands of quests (I bet they're all the same)
    • Character specialization (a la World of Warcraft's skill tree)
    • Group up for high-end content (of which there is plenty)
    • Engage in meaningful tradeskilling (it actually does have a purpose)

    It's not a perfect game and it's not advertised to be such. Now how about Tabula Rasa's box? The "Science Fiction Epic from Richard Garriott".

    • Unleash the power of LOGOS: learn the alien language and harness the very fabric of the cosmos blah blah blah.
      • They put a bullet on the box for their version of "magic", like it's somehow innovative? I was looking forward to researching a lost alien language, not checking off some list of places to visit to unlock new spells.
    • Confront Massive Alien Strongholds: wrest control of and hold hotly contested battlefield control points on dynamic alien landscapes. Use the environment to your advantage.
      • When I played at launch, the control points were pretty fun... until I got further into the game and realized that they were all the same, and there was no point for even having them. Why are they contested? What makes them important?
      • You can't use the terrain as an advantage. The AI is too simple and there is not enough character maneuverability to allow for any strategic approach. You just tank and spank a mob or run away when you're low on health... like any other MMO.
      • There's nothing dynamic about TR's world. It's as static and boring as dryer lint.
    • Take Role-Playing to the Battlefield: Fast tactical RPG combat combines character growth and development with skill, stealth, and strategy.
      • It is no different from any other MMORPG. It simply replaces auto-fire with click-to-shoot. What strategy? What skill is required? Even less than other vanilla RPGs.
      • In TR, you have only a fraction of the amount of unique abilities available in any other game. What a rip.
    • Character Cloning System(tm): Explore different character classes without leveling up a new character using the innovative cloning system.
      • Actually, the latest you can completely switch classes is level 10. All the other levels? You still have to grind them. This system just makes an alt at whatever level you happen to be when you clone. This is not having to level up another character?!
    • Also Engage in: Crafting and economy
      • Really? What crafting economy?

    So I bought this game and got nothing of what the box alluded to. $50 for this piece of shit at launch, and two weeks later it dropped to $20 and below.

    So tell me, are you enjoying all of the above as advertised?

    You accept being duped as though it's completely normal, "Oh, well you can't have everything". Well how about demanding what was on the freaking box as advertised?

    Either you have supremely low standards or this is your first MMORPG.

  • SevenwindSevenwind Member UncommonPosts: 2,188

    You complain of EQ2, yet you play just because your coworkers play it. If they played TR would you play it? You probably wouldn't admit it.

    AC2 was a game that promised a lot on the box but was not in the game, still the game for what it was, was very enjoyable. For some people, like myself,  what TR did not deliver on the box still find fun in the game.

    I'm sorry you paid $50 dollars for the game and felt you got burned. I felt the same paying for AoC, but I'm not in their forums putting down people saying their standards are to low or it was their first MMORPG.

    There's a point when you got to let go and move on. It gets to the point of sounding like a bitter old man.

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  • RokurgeptaRokurgepta Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,136
    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Rokurgepta

    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I watched the launch Video on Youtube. Richard Garriott did hold up a Logos Sign during lauch (how creative!!). As far as the game being a "success" I am not saying it was a huge margin success but in my opinion it's better off than some of the other MMO titles in existence.....a few SOE titles and what not come to mind. I just think TR still has potential...if the devs deliver the content.



     

    So far they have shown no ability to deliver the content. Do the math TR has at best 35k subs. The new NCSoft report should be out this week and we can do the math again. It probably has the smallest population of any mainstream MMO right now. They might turn a profit in year 15 if they continue at the current pace.

    Every part of TR that was supposed to come out after launch has either been put on hold or changed so much over time as to not be what was originally planned and the ones they put out all seem to be less original and amazing than the first ideas. To me that is the sign the dev team can not deliver on its promises or ideas. It is a shame because those ideas were a big part of what made TR sound great.

     

    Which SOE titles come to mind? Be specific and stop generalizing.



     

    Well, I am not exactly disagreeing with you. Yes, no major new content, expansions or big updates have been released. The latest patch did introduce some new quests but nothing significant.  I believe they have already replaced the lead designer of the game....not for sure though. Somewhere along the formula, I think Richard Garriott got shafted......hence forth his reasons for doing his own personal venture.

    SOE titles comon....lets see there is Matrix online and Pirates of the burning sea. Some would argue about EQ2, TR is doing better than some of those titles. At least TR is standing on its own. The only thing saving those other titles is the fact they are being grouped with a few other titles SOE has thrown together with station access pass to play all of them for a monthly fee. 

    So yeah, if NCsoft is smart they will get Richard Garriott on board full time or risk a loss.   

     

    Clicky

    It looks Tabula Rasa is one of the underdogs, and ironically, Ultima Online is on-par in subs. Tells you something about Richard Garriot's games, doesn't it?

    Look, even Star Wars Galaxies has more subs than TR. If SWG was using station pass numbers to boost figures, wouldn't the same strategy be applied to PotBS? It's not even on that chart, but you can see it here, though.

    I would link other sources, but google returns only game portals and forum gibberish for ""Tabula Rasa Server" +Population +Density +Numbers". I'm too lazy to lurk moar.

    /sarcasm If any other source could be provided, that would be appreciated. This source shows TR in a negative light, and I would hate for it to be the only creditable one available. /end sarcasm

     

    Really? Is Richard Garriot some kind of hero now? He started a game and ditched it for a space trip. Face it, RG made out like a bandit, and supporting him makes you look rather foolish.

    No...Richard Garriott is not a hero now of some kind. The fact remains that he ditched a game and went into space should tell you something. Obviously something went wrong somewhere. I support his personal goals like anyone elses. Ultima Online came out like 10 years ago....who in the heck would still be subbed to that game? Do your research on Ultima Online. You will find Richard Garriott got screwed out of that game.

     

     



     

    Obviously enough people are still subbed to UO. People who enjoy the sandbox that UO is and the fun in a game that defined the MMO genre. Just because it is 10 years old does not mean it is no longer worth playing. It has tons to do, unlike many newer games that come out with a couple months of content and call themselves an MMO.

  • Plasuma!!!Plasuma!!! Member Posts: 1,872
    Originally posted by Rokurgepta

    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

    Originally posted by Ad-am

    Originally posted by Rokurgepta

    Originally posted by Ad-am


    I watched the launch Video on Youtube. Richard Garriott did hold up a Logos Sign during lauch (how creative!!). As far as the game being a "success" I am not saying it was a huge margin success but in my opinion it's better off than some of the other MMO titles in existence.....a few SOE titles and what not come to mind. I just think TR still has potential...if the devs deliver the content.



     

    So far they have shown no ability to deliver the content. Do the math TR has at best 35k subs. The new NCSoft report should be out this week and we can do the math again. It probably has the smallest population of any mainstream MMO right now. They might turn a profit in year 15 if they continue at the current pace.

    Every part of TR that was supposed to come out after launch has either been put on hold or changed so much over time as to not be what was originally planned and the ones they put out all seem to be less original and amazing than the first ideas. To me that is the sign the dev team can not deliver on its promises or ideas. It is a shame because those ideas were a big part of what made TR sound great.

     

    Which SOE titles come to mind? Be specific and stop generalizing.



     

    Well, I am not exactly disagreeing with you. Yes, no major new content, expansions or big updates have been released. The latest patch did introduce some new quests but nothing significant.  I believe they have already replaced the lead designer of the game....not for sure though. Somewhere along the formula, I think Richard Garriott got shafted......hence forth his reasons for doing his own personal venture.

    SOE titles comon....lets see there is Matrix online and Pirates of the burning sea. Some would argue about EQ2, TR is doing better than some of those titles. At least TR is standing on its own. The only thing saving those other titles is the fact they are being grouped with a few other titles SOE has thrown together with station access pass to play all of them for a monthly fee. 

    So yeah, if NCsoft is smart they will get Richard Garriott on board full time or risk a loss.   

     

    Clicky

    It looks Tabula Rasa is one of the underdogs, and ironically, Ultima Online is on-par in subs. Tells you something about Richard Garriot's games, doesn't it?

    Look, even Star Wars Galaxies has more subs than TR. If SWG was using station pass numbers to boost figures, wouldn't the same strategy be applied to PotBS? It's not even on that chart, but you can see it here, though.

    I would link other sources, but google returns only game portals and forum gibberish for ""Tabula Rasa Server" +Population +Density +Numbers". I'm too lazy to lurk moar.

    /sarcasm If any other source could be provided, that would be appreciated. This source shows TR in a negative light, and I would hate for it to be the only creditable one available. /end sarcasm

     

    Really? Is Richard Garriot some kind of hero now? He started a game and ditched it for a space trip. Face it, RG made out like a bandit, and supporting him makes you look rather foolish.

    No...Richard Garriott is not a hero now of some kind. The fact remains that he ditched a game and went into space should tell you something. Obviously something went wrong somewhere. I support his personal goals like anyone elses. Ultima Online came out like 10 years ago....who in the heck would still be subbed to that game? Do your research on Ultima Online. You will find Richard Garriott got screwed out of that game.

     

     



     

    Obviously enough people are still subbed to UO. People who enjoy the sandbox that UO is and the fun in a game that defined the MMO genre. Just because it is 10 years old does not mean it is no longer worth playing. It has tons to do, unlike many newer games that come out with a couple months of content and call themselves an MMO.

     

    Exactly. This is why it's ironic... TR is being out-done by an ancient game from its own creator.

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