I checked the PvP gear and when I read Vambraces of the Vanguard PvP Level 3
Level 80 Wrist +14.2 Physical Damage Modifier
+0.1% Slashing Invulnerability
+0.1% Piercing Invulnerability
+0.1% Crushing Invulnerability
+0.4 Defense Rating
+1.4% Chance of Offhand Attack There is no way a "normal" player would grind or whatever for that kind of stuff ; unless maybe for the look... so they are another clone of "insert class". I still think AoC has a nice potential but please, FunCom, do something, at least on displayed stats if nothing else.
They are changing that, because, apparently, fractions and percents confuse gamers (That were brought up on wow).
So, you are saying that Funcom developers are making changes to armor stats in AoC, because most of the people playing AoC are Wow kiddies?
But I thought that the playerbase in AoC was made up entirely of mature adults, not Wow kiddies. Funcom must think very little of you to force this "dumbing down" on you mature people. I don't know how you can stand it.
Not what i said at all. Nice work on implying what i was saying, in your own confusion, then flaming me for things YOU said.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
The truth is something even more frightening : NOONE KNOWS what the stats mean or if they DO anything at all. Noone call tell you what WISDOM does or how it impacts your casting other than under intense testing GEAR that increases the stats has NO noticable effect on damage. The same with melee.... how the hell can .1% even be in ANY game? I mean why even bother?
--------------------------------- Originally posted by alakram
I remember now another reason I had to left AoC. I never understood the item stats and how they really working. I just picked my gear If i liked how it looked, haha. Anyway good asumptions. Im not sure if they work like this, but they probably do. Maybe not even AoC devs know how they work.
Well regarding the core gameplay of most MMOs, so AoC, is loot (surprise bags) there is a serious issue there as players have no clue how good is their reward.
The truth is something even more frightening : NOONE KNOWS what the stats mean or if they DO anything at all. Noone call tell you what WISDOM does or how it impacts your casting other than under intense testing GEAR that increases the stats has NO noticable effect on damage. The same with melee.... how the hell can .1% even be in ANY game? I mean why even bother?
--------------------------------- Originally posted by alakram
I remember now another reason I had to left AoC. I never understood the item stats and how they really working. I just picked my gear If i liked how it looked, haha. Anyway good asumptions. Im not sure if they work like this, but they probably do. Maybe not even AoC devs know how they work.
Well regarding the core gameplay of most MMOs, so AoC, is loot (surprise bags) there is a serious issue there as players have no clue how good is their reward.
That is being changed to a more "Standard" way of presentation, and is patterned after other games that people are familiar with.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I checked the PvP gear and when I read Vambraces of the Vanguard PvP Level 3
Level 80 Wrist +14.2 Physical Damage Modifier
+0.1% Slashing Invulnerability
+0.1% Piercing Invulnerability
+0.1% Crushing Invulnerability
+0.4 Defense Rating
+1.4% Chance of Offhand Attack There is no way a "normal" player would grind or whatever for that kind of stuff ; unless maybe for the look... so they are another clone of "insert class". I still think AoC has a nice potential but please, FunCom, do something, at least on displayed stats if nothing else.
They are changing that, because, apparently, fractions and percents confuse gamers (That were brought up on wow).
So WoW gamers are less likely to understand stats, huh? Well, I assume then that the millions of posts, websites, and even calculated spreadsheets devoted to WoW combat mechanics are posted by people who have no clue on what a percentage means? I guess then that all the WoW gamers devoted to breaking down stats to exactly what the in-game benefit is are just making up numbers then? Go to any WoW forum or fansite and check out any class and I will guarantee you that stats will be broken down by a WoW player into fractions of percents into exactly what the stat does in-game.
WoW players have even coined a new field, and possibly as far as I know, a new term, for studying and making assumptions on stats that have not been proven: theorycraft.
Yeah, those little WoW kiddies really need more math skills. Show me any site anywhere that breaks down what those AoC stats actually do in-game, then bash WoW.
He is not trying to make sense of anything like you are. He doesnt understand that this is the AOC Forum and some people with interest or are playing AOC are discussing changes. Some people may be looking to come back and are very excited about what they are reading. Lumache's goal in the whole thing is to talk shit and try to turn away anyone who might want to play.
Lumache what game are you playing? Wizhk
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
He is not trying to make sense of anything like you are. He doesnt understand that this is the AOC Forum and some people with interest or are playing AOC are discussing changes. Some people may be looking to come back and are very excited about what they are reading. Lumache's goal in the whole thing is to talk shit and try to turn away anyone who might want to play.
Lumache what game are you playing? Wizhk
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
Your issues with the forums are not because you are posting things they don’t want people to know, as there are, and have been many threads on the topics. It’s because your posts are like reading something from an insufferable child in tone and delivery. The also, break forums rules, and common curtsy.
There have also been many postings from the dev team about the numbers and stats used on items, including the current announcement that changes are coming.
I also played Rysom for years.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
He is not trying to make sense of anything like you are. He doesnt understand that this is the AOC Forum and some people with interest or are playing AOC are discussing changes. Some people may be looking to come back and are very excited about what they are reading. Lumache's goal in the whole thing is to talk shit and try to turn away anyone who might want to play.
Lumache what game are you playing? Wizhk
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
Your issues with the forums are not because you are posting things they don’t want people to know, as there are, and have been many threads on the topics. It’s because your posts are like reading something from an insufferable child in tone and delivery. The also, break forums rules, and common curtsy.
There have also been many postings from the dev team about the numbers and stats used on items, including the current announcement that changes are coming.
I also played Rysom for years.
Are you playing it now? Its back and set to relaunch as a pay to play. I dont appreciate your comments either - they are rude and arrogant as well. You decide how you read my posts, and how you take them. If thats how you see them MrB then maybe the issue lies with you?
My issues with the AoC forums are the same as the countless thousands of others that were banned for complaining about issues being ignored. They ignored the OOM errors until september and only even started addressing any posts on the matter in late august, roughly the time they began bleed accounts in a life threatening way. I think its well known how people feel they were treated by funcom and dont think its a mystery why Guate was forced out, do you? If that makes me infantile for not approving of being treated badly, then so be it!
Ive seen that lately, one game director later and 4 months from release they have decided to address items stats, but I have yet to see anything anywhere that explains what each character stat does exactly and if in fact some of them actually work. Ive seen at least 100 posts on the AoC forums asking about this issue over just that last few weeks and there are probably 1000 in total. Interestingly enough, not ONE has ever been responded to by the developers in any substanitive way.
Are you playing it now? Its back and set to relaunch as a pay to play. I dont appreciate your comments either - they are rude and arrogant as well. You decide how you read my posts, and how you take them, if thats how you see them MrB then maybe thats how you see life in general?
"but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game."-Lumache
Maybe it's this type of attitude he's referring to? Which seems to imply if you enjoy AOC, you're to stupid to play or even understand Ryzom. As far as sandboxes with depth go, Ryzom is years behind games like pre-cu SWG or EVE. It's crafting is good, but not as good as SWG's was prior to the crafting nerfs that came along with the NGE. If Ryzom is so good why was it shutdown (two times)? Especially considering the amount of people craving a decent sanbox experience.
If anything ryzom is the AoC of sandbox games.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Are you playing it now? Its back and set to relaunch as a pay to play. I dont appreciate your comments either - they are rude and arrogant as well. You decide how you read my posts, and how you take them, if thats how you see them MrB then maybe thats how you see life in general?
"but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game."-Lumache
Maybe it's this type of attitude he's referring to? Which seems to imply if you enjoy AOC, you're to stupid to play or even understand Ryzom. As far as sandboxes with depth go, Ryzom is years behind games like pre-cu SWG or EVE. It's crafting is good, but not as good as SWG's was prior to the crafting nerfs that came along with the NGE. If Ryzom is so good why was it shutdown (two times)? Especially considering the amount of people craving a decent sanbox experience.
If anything ryzom is the AoC of sandbox games.
Well its one that works for me now and it was totally free so I cant bring myself to care if something isnt working correctly, which happens far less often than in AoC, strangely enough.
And that last comment, Im having a hard time deciding how to interpret that comment given that you are pretty PRO AOC. Are you saying its good? Bad? I dont get it , so AoC is a pile of crap?
But back to the stats - any comments on the developers responses to the base stats? I would LOVE to see them as I dont read the AoC forums very often anymore. Im there on an off and cant seem to find one official post that says anything like THIS change in stats DOES THIS to THIS ability etc. Like +4 of this = +X DMG. Im not sure they do much at all in fact.
Are you playing it now? Its back and set to relaunch as a pay to play. I dont appreciate your comments either - they are rude and arrogant as well. You decide how you read my posts, and how you take them, if thats how you see them MrB then maybe thats how you see life in general?
"but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game."-Lumache
Maybe it's this type of attitude he's referring to? Which seems to imply if you enjoy AOC, you're to stupid to play or even understand Ryzom. As far as sandboxes with depth go, Ryzom is years behind games like pre-cu SWG or EVE. It's crafting is good, but not as good as SWG's was prior to the crafting nerfs that came along with the NGE. If Ryzom is so good why was it shutdown (two times)? Especially considering the amount of people craving a decent sanbox experience.
If anything ryzom is the AoC of sandbox games.
Well its one that works for me now and it was totally free so I cant bring myself to care if something isnt working correctly, which happens far less often than in AoC, strangely enough.
And that last comment, Im having a hard time deciding how to interpret that comment given that you are pretty PRO AOC. Are you saying its good? Bad? I dont get it , so AoC is a pile of crap?
But back to the stats - any comments on the developers responses to the base stats? I would LOVE to see them as I dont read the AoC forums very often anymore. Im there on an off and cant seem to find one official post that says anything like THIS change in stats DOES THIS to THIS ability etc. Like +4 of this = +X DMG. Im not sure they do much at all in fact.
What it means is they have failed to please their target customers for one reason or another. That doesn't mean it's a pile of dung, it means something went wrong. I am in no way a AOC target customer, though I enjoyed certain aspects of the game very much. Mostly things I didn't enjoy before hand, like PVE. I hate raiding, have a strong distaste for instanced anything and despise instanced PVP. Yet Something about AOC felt good. However it seems those it was intended for despise it.
As for stats, from my understanding they basically don't do much (intentionally) which was an attempt to alleviate away from gear dependence. Now they're reversing this decision, I'm not quite certain on any of the details as of yet, I'm not sure anyone really is. I don't like the idea of them dumbing down combat, which it seems they're also about to do.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
He is not trying to make sense of anything like you are. He doesnt understand that this is the AOC Forum and some people with interest or are playing AOC are discussing changes. Some people may be looking to come back and are very excited about what they are reading. Lumache's goal in the whole thing is to talk shit and try to turn away anyone who might want to play.
Lumache what game are you playing? Wizhk
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
Your issues with the forums are not because you are posting things they don’t want people to know, as there are, and have been many threads on the topics. It’s because your posts are like reading something from an insufferable child in tone and delivery. The also, break forums rules, and common curtsy.
There have also been many postings from the dev team about the numbers and stats used on items, including the current announcement that changes are coming.
I also played Rysom for years.
Are you playing it now? Its back and set to relaunch as a pay to play.
I did briefly, when the relaunch was active and the reactivated old accounts.
I dont appreciate your comments either - they are rude and arrogant as well. You decide how you read my posts, and how you take them. If thats how you see them MrB then maybe the issue lies with you?
Right back at ya. But then again, I’m not the one going around "Oh, well, i think your PRO *Insert game here* and think your comments are invalid". As far as my take on your AOC forum postings, we see the results. Check your posting style, mabye you wont get banned so much.
Had to reply this way, becouse the MMORPG.com "Forum fix" is ass.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH.
Look, this is where you completely lose me. This is exactly how you are turning something I said into something it wasn't mean to be. Your error is in your inability to understand what you are reading. Am I wrong? You tell me... but the proof is in the pudding.
I realise you are upset that FunCom screwed you and lied to you, blah blah blah. Cry me a river already. I'm an SWG vet, so don't even get me started on being lied to about broken aspects of a game. In all of AoC's faults, it isn't even a quarter of the nightmare SOE put us through. As a matter of fact, this fiasco probably wouldn't have even been a big deal had SOE not completely smeared the repuation of online game developers. But that has nothing to do with what I wrote, and neither does your beef with FunCom. By the way... the news of day is - FUNCOM LIED TO EVERYONE, NOT JUST YOU! Grow up already...
I was able to put aside my differences to offer sound estimation - you on the other hand, are appearantly incapable of doing that. Thus, I'll thank you for not responding to anything I post in the future, or reading it for that matter.
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They are changing that, because, apparently, fractions and percents confuse gamers (That were brought up on wow).
So, you are saying that Funcom developers are making changes to armor stats in AoC, because most of the people playing AoC are Wow kiddies?
But I thought that the playerbase in AoC was made up entirely of mature adults, not Wow kiddies. Funcom must think very little of you to force this "dumbing down" on you mature people. I don't know how you can stand it.
Not what i said at all. Nice work on implying what i was saying, in your own confusion, then flaming me for things YOU said.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Well regarding the core gameplay of most MMOs, so AoC, is loot (surprise bags) there is a serious issue there as players have no clue how good is their reward.
Well regarding the core gameplay of most MMOs, so AoC, is loot (surprise bags) there is a serious issue there as players have no clue how good is their reward.
That is being changed to a more "Standard" way of presentation, and is patterned after other games that people are familiar with.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
They are changing that, because, apparently, fractions and percents confuse gamers (That were brought up on wow).
So WoW gamers are less likely to understand stats, huh? Well, I assume then that the millions of posts, websites, and even calculated spreadsheets devoted to WoW combat mechanics are posted by people who have no clue on what a percentage means? I guess then that all the WoW gamers devoted to breaking down stats to exactly what the in-game benefit is are just making up numbers then? Go to any WoW forum or fansite and check out any class and I will guarantee you that stats will be broken down by a WoW player into fractions of percents into exactly what the stat does in-game.
WoW players have even coined a new field, and possibly as far as I know, a new term, for studying and making assumptions on stats that have not been proven: theorycraft.
Yeah, those little WoW kiddies really need more math skills. Show me any site anywhere that breaks down what those AoC stats actually do in-game, then bash WoW.
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
-Lum
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
Your issues with the forums are not because you are posting things they don’t want people to know, as there are, and have been many threads on the topics. It’s because your posts are like reading something from an insufferable child in tone and delivery. The also, break forums rules, and common curtsy.
There have also been many postings from the dev team about the numbers and stats used on items, including the current announcement that changes are coming.
I also played Rysom for years.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
Your issues with the forums are not because you are posting things they don’t want people to know, as there are, and have been many threads on the topics. It’s because your posts are like reading something from an insufferable child in tone and delivery. The also, break forums rules, and common curtsy.
There have also been many postings from the dev team about the numbers and stats used on items, including the current announcement that changes are coming.
I also played Rysom for years.
Are you playing it now? Its back and set to relaunch as a pay to play. I dont appreciate your comments either - they are rude and arrogant as well. You decide how you read my posts, and how you take them. If thats how you see them MrB then maybe the issue lies with you?
My issues with the AoC forums are the same as the countless thousands of others that were banned for complaining about issues being ignored. They ignored the OOM errors until september and only even started addressing any posts on the matter in late august, roughly the time they began bleed accounts in a life threatening way. I think its well known how people feel they were treated by funcom and dont think its a mystery why Guate was forced out, do you? If that makes me infantile for not approving of being treated badly, then so be it!
Ive seen that lately, one game director later and 4 months from release they have decided to address items stats, but I have yet to see anything anywhere that explains what each character stat does exactly and if in fact some of them actually work. Ive seen at least 100 posts on the AoC forums asking about this issue over just that last few weeks and there are probably 1000 in total. Interestingly enough, not ONE has ever been responded to by the developers in any substanitive way.
-Lum
"but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game."-Lumache
Maybe it's this type of attitude he's referring to? Which seems to imply if you enjoy AOC, you're to stupid to play or even understand Ryzom. As far as sandboxes with depth go, Ryzom is years behind games like pre-cu SWG or EVE. It's crafting is good, but not as good as SWG's was prior to the crafting nerfs that came along with the NGE. If Ryzom is so good why was it shutdown (two times)? Especially considering the amount of people craving a decent sanbox experience.
If anything ryzom is the AoC of sandbox games.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game."-Lumache
Maybe it's this type of attitude he's referring to? Which seems to imply if you enjoy AOC, you're to stupid to play or even understand Ryzom. As far as sandboxes with depth go, Ryzom is years behind games like pre-cu SWG or EVE. It's crafting is good, but not as good as SWG's was prior to the crafting nerfs that came along with the NGE. If Ryzom is so good why was it shutdown (two times)? Especially considering the amount of people craving a decent sanbox experience.
If anything ryzom is the AoC of sandbox games.
Well its one that works for me now and it was totally free so I cant bring myself to care if something isnt working correctly, which happens far less often than in AoC, strangely enough.
And that last comment, Im having a hard time deciding how to interpret that comment given that you are pretty PRO AOC. Are you saying its good? Bad? I dont get it , so AoC is a pile of crap?
But back to the stats - any comments on the developers responses to the base stats? I would LOVE to see them as I dont read the AoC forums very often anymore. Im there on an off and cant seem to find one official post that says anything like THIS change in stats DOES THIS to THIS ability etc. Like +4 of this = +X DMG. Im not sure they do much at all in fact.
-Lum
"but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game."-Lumache
Maybe it's this type of attitude he's referring to? Which seems to imply if you enjoy AOC, you're to stupid to play or even understand Ryzom. As far as sandboxes with depth go, Ryzom is years behind games like pre-cu SWG or EVE. It's crafting is good, but not as good as SWG's was prior to the crafting nerfs that came along with the NGE. If Ryzom is so good why was it shutdown (two times)? Especially considering the amount of people craving a decent sanbox experience.
If anything ryzom is the AoC of sandbox games.
Well its one that works for me now and it was totally free so I cant bring myself to care if something isnt working correctly, which happens far less often than in AoC, strangely enough.
And that last comment, Im having a hard time deciding how to interpret that comment given that you are pretty PRO AOC. Are you saying its good? Bad? I dont get it , so AoC is a pile of crap?
But back to the stats - any comments on the developers responses to the base stats? I would LOVE to see them as I dont read the AoC forums very often anymore. Im there on an off and cant seem to find one official post that says anything like THIS change in stats DOES THIS to THIS ability etc. Like +4 of this = +X DMG. Im not sure they do much at all in fact.
What it means is they have failed to please their target customers for one reason or another. That doesn't mean it's a pile of dung, it means something went wrong. I am in no way a AOC target customer, though I enjoyed certain aspects of the game very much. Mostly things I didn't enjoy before hand, like PVE. I hate raiding, have a strong distaste for instanced anything and despise instanced PVP. Yet Something about AOC felt good. However it seems those it was intended for despise it.
As for stats, from my understanding they basically don't do much (intentionally) which was an attempt to alleviate away from gear dependence. Now they're reversing this decision, I'm not quite certain on any of the details as of yet, I'm not sure anyone really is. I don't like the idea of them dumbing down combat, which it seems they're also about to do.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH. Sure would be nice to know what basic character stats actually do. Ive seen some caster tests posted on the AoC forums and with a full set of caster gear and naked, the damage is the same. So thats my point, and if I seem a little anti-funcom, well I guess I just dont take kindly to being lied to and then served a broken, half finished game, with oom bugs and every other conceivable and some of them not so conceivable issue imaginable.
Then when I start to try address these on the forums I start finding my posts locked, moved, or outright deleted. As if they were just trying to hide these issues rather than actually address them? Oh yea its all my fault that AoC is the pile of crap it is.
What game am I playing: Ryzom, free to download and install and play. Ten times the Game AoC is, but its not for you or other AoC fanbois. Ryzom requires you to think when you edit and create actions and has a depth in crafting that I have never seen in any game. In fact the best ingredients used to create some of the high end in game items are closely guarded secrets, held by those that have experimented enough to create them.
Your issues with the forums are not because you are posting things they don’t want people to know, as there are, and have been many threads on the topics. It’s because your posts are like reading something from an insufferable child in tone and delivery. The also, break forums rules, and common curtsy.
There have also been many postings from the dev team about the numbers and stats used on items, including the current announcement that changes are coming.
I also played Rysom for years.
Are you playing it now? Its back and set to relaunch as a pay to play.
I did briefly, when the relaunch was active and the reactivated old accounts.
I dont appreciate your comments either - they are rude and arrogant as well. You decide how you read my posts, and how you take them. If thats how you see them MrB then maybe the issue lies with you?
Right back at ya. But then again, I’m not the one going around "Oh, well, i think your PRO *Insert game here* and think your comments are invalid". As far as my take on your AOC forum postings, we see the results. Check your posting style, mabye you wont get banned so much.
Had to reply this way, becouse the MMORPG.com "Forum fix" is ass.
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Lumache wrote:
No my point was he was turning guessing into then determined fact in his post and more directly that noone at funcom has said much about this issue since LAUNCH.
Look, this is where you completely lose me. This is exactly how you are turning something I said into something it wasn't mean to be. Your error is in your inability to understand what you are reading. Am I wrong? You tell me... but the proof is in the pudding.
I realise you are upset that FunCom screwed you and lied to you, blah blah blah. Cry me a river already. I'm an SWG vet, so don't even get me started on being lied to about broken aspects of a game. In all of AoC's faults, it isn't even a quarter of the nightmare SOE put us through. As a matter of fact, this fiasco probably wouldn't have even been a big deal had SOE not completely smeared the repuation of online game developers. But that has nothing to do with what I wrote, and neither does your beef with FunCom. By the way... the news of day is - FUNCOM LIED TO EVERYONE, NOT JUST YOU! Grow up already...
I was able to put aside my differences to offer sound estimation - you on the other hand, are appearantly incapable of doing that. Thus, I'll thank you for not responding to anything I post in the future, or reading it for that matter.