At least on EU, nearly all servers are balanced at the moment. I somehow doubt it's any different on the US servers. You might have been right at launch, but things are looking a bit different now. And I saw this coming 2 years ago.
The thing that irks me about Order is that Mythic deliberately excluded the badassery from the realm. Sure, they have Witch Hunters and Warrior Priests, but the Destruction has so much more.
Sure, some people like Elves for their fabulousness (like me), some people will like dwarves for being dwarves, but at the end of the day a tremendous juggernaut in gigantic armor is gonna be more appealing to the mass. I hope the Order gets some more mass appealing manliness like Slayers.
In order to make money for EA/Mythic changes will be made to help the bottom line. If Destruction has to much then they will be toned down or be forced to go order. If the company does not make the changes they will lose monthly paying customers. Its the Bottom Line folks.
You have some weird hopes man. Mythic has next to no control over that right now. There not gonna make all the Destro players unhappy to fix a minor scale.
What people are failing to realise is that there can only be so many destro logged in at a time. Us current Destro pretty much have first pick, anyone comes along will more then likey roll order simply because of Que times.
I never roled Destro because I knew they would pwn. I rolled Destro cause there tanks, look like tanks. Order tanks are not "real"tanks unless dwarve (Not a fan of them). I also used to play the tabletop version and had the chaos army.
If they added an actual Human Tank then people would join over there, but no, they chose not to. What they need to is fix the Order to make them appealing, not to take away from destro.
But to assume that Mythic is gonna diminish the destro's in any way is just not gonna happen. And if you think that is gonna ruin the game, again thats not gonna happen. Just because Destro has more players does not mean there all good. I can count on 1 hand how many Destro players are better then the opponents in a scenario, seige and what not.
I agree 100 percent. I think they made a choice that at the time they thought was small but is now turning out to be huge. Swordmaster VS Knight of the Blazing Sun. IMO neither of the classes were finished and ready for release. It shows because SM is STILL borked. I think they had to pull one or the other and then concentrate on getting the one they didnt pull as good as possible. Well, first off they chose to pull the wrong one. Should have pulled SM but pulled KotBS instead. Now, I understand the logic behind this. SM was susposed to be the 2 handed tank. It was good pull to get players over to order side. Problem is, they couldnt make that work so they ended up turning them into just another sword and shield tank and here we are. Order has no desirable tanks.
i gurentee you he would not be complaining if it was the other way around, without a shadow of a doubt.
You're right, I wouldnt complain - I'd switch sides.
As to other responses:
-They only offered the bonuses to a few servers that had the most extreme imbalance.
-1000 to 10 just an exageration, but 4:1 or 3:1 or even 2:1 is enough to take the challenge out and just make it impossible
-butterball? Im speaking out because as I said: take away any possibility of winning (and there is 0 possibility for order to take any keeps for more than a few minutes on my server) and the game becomes boring. I would imagine that knowing you're going to win everytime would be just as boring.
And look at all the lame fucking excuses from the destruction side in this very thread: "Destruction just matched my play style". Is a white lion radically different from squig hearder? Witch elf in a whole different ball park from bright wizard? I tried both WE and BW to mid-teens and they are pretty damn close.
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The realm imbalance doesn't seem as bad on the roleplaying core servers, but I've never had a wait time as order, but that happens to me on the server I have destruction characters on.
But, there's another problem!
Class imbalances!
What I mean is that in scenarios, order often has from zero to two tanks. Destruction typically fields four to eight tanks per scenario, plus as many marauders and witch elves. They then use this imbalance to zerg past order tanks and slaughter any and all healers, then casters one by one. The way the math works out, this strategy is almost impossible to beat with a balanced order contingent.
Something has to be done to make overloading with melee DPS and tanks and overpowering the game's intended mechanics less viable.
I'm not complaining because destruction is winning, or smart enough to use flaws in the class balance and interaction to win, but that soon both sides will be stocked with nothing but tanks and melee DPS, and perhaps some melee healers as well.
So you suggest that they, say.. make any new order character created be forced to be one of the order tank classes, to fight this imbalance? Because like.. there are order tanks, its just a question of someone playing them yes? Blame the players :]
Those ironbreakers are pesky to kill, often enough.
No Randomt, I'm not suggesting that. I'd just like to see a situation where imbalanced scenario compositions don't cause an advantage. They don't need to be penalized because it is sometimes hard to get that balance in composition.
I'm guessing badlands is immune to all this crap about WAR.
Everyone complains about Scenario timers, and they pop almost every other minute here.
Everyone complains about imbalance, seems order and destro are even here, might be a 1.1-1.2-1. But both sides I believe already have level 4 capitals and are pretty even taking keeps on and off.
Most of the folks complaining the most here are Destruction folks who know there over populated and overpowered. That being said they know the Nerf bat is out of the bad and is just a matter of time till used. In some shape or form.
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The problem isnt a balance issue. Its a player issues. Pretty much every server has a pretty balanced player base. The problem is that depending on the server you are on there are less players on one side willing to go into the rvr areas. They are either leveling execlusively on pve or doing scenarios. On Phoenix Throne for example the T2/T3 rvr areas are dominated by destruction, yet if you run over to the order areas there are a ton of people there who are just running around questing or doing PQ's...
It seems like nothing really works right in this game, scenrios ruined open pvp and the imbalance in pop and better exp makes everyone play scenarios, so we have seemingly empty servers w/ no real open pvp! I dont think they can do anything to fix it w/o pissing everyone off so the whole thing is just a big failed experiment i guess! Im sure we all new dest. would get the vast majority of players, who whats to play a elf who all wear dresses, regardeless of sex or frilly humans or stupid dwarves! I dont think most people picked dest becuase they would be overpopulated and either have to play on emty servers or wait in line to play.
Order almost always loses in the scenarios that I have been in. Something is not right. At a certain point, knowing you you have a 10% or less chance of victory is not a lot of incentive to keep playing.
Losing almost all the time becomes kind of boring, and then you are sitting there at your computer wondering what else the game has to offer and deciding maybe there is something more fun to play.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/146974/page/1 It certainly wasn't hard to figure out. Every dev podcast/interview/post wouldn't shut up about destruction and most preview articles were the same. Every 'what class will you be' poll showed destruction waaaaaay ahead. And here we are, with almost every server balanced heavily against order. The most recent realm population bonuses to try to correct the problem are a joke. So flame away. I know the people who rolled destruction (likely fully knowing what was going to happen) are going to be the quickest to get angry and try to defend themselves. We all know the people who are best at PvP gravitate toward destruction and I'm sure they know that tips the scale as it is. Don't you guys get bored over there? You can take the most fun game in the world -take away the possibility to win (or take away the possibility to lose) and that game gets old real quick.
I could see this coming also but mainly because the Order characters just look terrible IMO...... I still say the Dwarves in WAR look worse than any dwarf i have ever seen in any game...i usually like the race but have zero interest in playing them or the Elves in this game......IT doesnt have anything to do with classes or any other factor other than they just plain look bad.
I've dabbled on both sides, and yes, I definitely see how destruction is more fun to play. I play a WP, DoK and Chosen at the moment. Tried WH, but it's too squishy for my liking. I like WP cause you get to stay in the battle longer, but their DPS is kinda lacking. DoK has DPS AND healing, which is why I usually just play on him.
Order classes definitely don't look as badass as destruction classes do. Dwarves..no. High elves...Big no. Only people who look decent on high elves is either the shadow warrior or swordmaster. I love playing human classes, but I'm usually a melee type who likes tons-o-armor. When Knight of the Blazing Sun comes out, you know I'll be playing that. Until then, destruction it is.
I think the imbalance in population comes from the simple fact that there isn't a single order class that is unique or sexy.
Witch Elves wear less than most women would go to the beach in. Sorceress, the same. Chosen, Black Orc and Marauders are slight variations on "billy bad azz" people wish they could be when road rage strikes, or the bully takes their lunch money.
Even if order was skewed to be tougher, I wouldn't play a single class because they're not nearly as interesting as the destruction side. I'm a nice person every day, why would I want to pretend to be ... me ...
Where's the Bretonnian Tanks? Done right, people would flock to play a character that fought almost exclusively from horseback. Get your first mount at lvl 10 instead of 20. Throw in a "CHARGE" special ability and it would be seriously cool to be or watch some chaos getting crunched underneath.
Wood Elf War Dancers would certainly add some sex appeal to the order side.
Right now, Order offers nothing that every other MMO hasn't already done.
Im sorry but Order loses on two fronts. First the classes are weak compared to their destruction counterparts second all the elves look like women no matter what you do to them and the dwarves while ok looking are far too easy to jump over in pvp and they get ignored while destruction kills the usually few healers there and proceed to roll over order rather easily.
For the most part only the DPS classes get any real play on order so we wind up with a weak easily defeated team. Its not the players faults its the lack of visual appeal on the order tanks and healers as well as them being fairly weak to begin with.
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On Grimnir, I win 90% of my T2 scenarios as a Swordmaster. Now step into RVR and destro comes out of the woodwork 2:1 easily, and then ontop of that they will still just camp the lord so he can steal their kills.
FYI there no such thing as male elves. All elves are female and most fantasy is wrong.
Elf guys in this game look lame. The females are okay, but I don't like elf eyes in general. As far as dwarves, I know short, fat, hairy people in real life and frankly I never wanted to be one.
Basically if you want to look bad ass pick destro....if you want to look other pick order....if you want to statistically speaking kick ass in pvp pick destro....if you want to get your ass kicked, statistically speaking, pick order.
Choices seem simple enough...and we wonder why there is faction imbalance?
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At least on EU, nearly all servers are balanced at the moment. I somehow doubt it's any different on the US servers. You might have been right at launch, but things are looking a bit different now. And I saw this coming 2 years ago.
The thing that irks me about Order is that Mythic deliberately excluded the badassery from the realm. Sure, they have Witch Hunters and Warrior Priests, but the Destruction has so much more.
Sure, some people like Elves for their fabulousness (like me), some people will like dwarves for being dwarves, but at the end of the day a tremendous juggernaut in gigantic armor is gonna be more appealing to the mass. I hope the Order gets some more mass appealing manliness like Slayers.
Swordmasters,shadow warriors and engineer look cool.
You have some weird hopes man. Mythic has next to no control over that right now. There not gonna make all the Destro players unhappy to fix a minor scale.
What people are failing to realise is that there can only be so many destro logged in at a time. Us current Destro pretty much have first pick, anyone comes along will more then likey roll order simply because of Que times.
I never roled Destro because I knew they would pwn. I rolled Destro cause there tanks, look like tanks. Order tanks are not "real"tanks unless dwarve (Not a fan of them). I also used to play the tabletop version and had the chaos army.
If they added an actual Human Tank then people would join over there, but no, they chose not to. What they need to is fix the Order to make them appealing, not to take away from destro.
But to assume that Mythic is gonna diminish the destro's in any way is just not gonna happen. And if you think that is gonna ruin the game, again thats not gonna happen. Just because Destro has more players does not mean there all good. I can count on 1 hand how many Destro players are better then the opponents in a scenario, seige and what not.
I agree 100 percent. I think they made a choice that at the time they thought was small but is now turning out to be huge. Swordmaster VS Knight of the Blazing Sun. IMO neither of the classes were finished and ready for release. It shows because SM is STILL borked. I think they had to pull one or the other and then concentrate on getting the one they didnt pull as good as possible. Well, first off they chose to pull the wrong one. Should have pulled SM but pulled KotBS instead. Now, I understand the logic behind this. SM was susposed to be the 2 handed tank. It was good pull to get players over to order side. Problem is, they couldnt make that work so they ended up turning them into just another sword and shield tank and here we are. Order has no desirable tanks.
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Look cool. Yes. Play well. Ummm. No. Well, I cant really speak for engies but even DESTRO thinks SM and SWs are gimp.
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You're right, I wouldnt complain - I'd switch sides.
As to other responses:
-They only offered the bonuses to a few servers that had the most extreme imbalance.
-1000 to 10 just an exageration, but 4:1 or 3:1 or even 2:1 is enough to take the challenge out and just make it impossible
-butterball? Im speaking out because as I said: take away any possibility of winning (and there is 0 possibility for order to take any keeps for more than a few minutes on my server) and the game becomes boring. I would imagine that knowing you're going to win everytime would be just as boring.
And look at all the lame fucking excuses from the destruction side in this very thread: "Destruction just matched my play style". Is a white lion radically different from squig hearder? Witch elf in a whole different ball park from bright wizard? I tried both WE and BW to mid-teens and they are pretty damn close.
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"Everything is awesome. Fundamentally."
So you suggest that they, say.. make any new order character created be forced to be one of the order tank classes, to fight this imbalance? Because like.. there are order tanks, its just a question of someone playing them yes? Blame the players :]
Those ironbreakers are pesky to kill, often enough.
No Randomt, I'm not suggesting that. I'd just like to see a situation where imbalanced scenario compositions don't cause an advantage. They don't need to be penalized because it is sometimes hard to get that balance in composition.
I'm guessing badlands is immune to all this crap about WAR.
Everyone complains about Scenario timers, and they pop almost every other minute here.
Everyone complains about imbalance, seems order and destro are even here, might be a 1.1-1.2-1. But both sides I believe already have level 4 capitals and are pretty even taking keeps on and off.
Dunno, I guess the server must be blind.
I love WAR, but anyone who thinks there is not a serious imbalance is drinking way too much kool-aid.
Most of the folks complaining the most here are Destruction folks who know there over populated and overpowered. That being said they know the Nerf bat is out of the bad and is just a matter of time till used. In some shape or form.
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I have only gotten up to T2 and as far as I noticed in my server the only unbalnce is that Destruction ( Me ) loses 9 in every 10 scenarios
The problem isnt a balance issue. Its a player issues. Pretty much every server has a pretty balanced player base. The problem is that depending on the server you are on there are less players on one side willing to go into the rvr areas. They are either leveling execlusively on pve or doing scenarios. On Phoenix Throne for example the T2/T3 rvr areas are dominated by destruction, yet if you run over to the order areas there are a ton of people there who are just running around questing or doing PQ's...
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It seems like nothing really works right in this game, scenrios ruined open pvp and the imbalance in pop and better exp makes everyone play scenarios, so we have seemingly empty servers w/ no real open pvp! I dont think they can do anything to fix it w/o pissing everyone off so the whole thing is just a big failed experiment i guess! Im sure we all new dest. would get the vast majority of players, who whats to play a elf who all wear dresses, regardeless of sex or frilly humans or stupid dwarves! I dont think most people picked dest becuase they would be overpopulated and either have to play on emty servers or wait in line to play.
Order almost always loses in the scenarios that I have been in. Something is not right. At a certain point, knowing you you have a 10% or less chance of victory is not a lot of incentive to keep playing.
Losing almost all the time becomes kind of boring, and then you are sitting there at your computer wondering what else the game has to offer and deciding maybe there is something more fun to play.
I could see this coming also but mainly because the Order characters just look terrible IMO...... I still say the Dwarves in WAR look worse than any dwarf i have ever seen in any game...i usually like the race but have zero interest in playing them or the Elves in this game......IT doesnt have anything to do with classes or any other factor other than they just plain look bad.
I've dabbled on both sides, and yes, I definitely see how destruction is more fun to play. I play a WP, DoK and Chosen at the moment. Tried WH, but it's too squishy for my liking. I like WP cause you get to stay in the battle longer, but their DPS is kinda lacking. DoK has DPS AND healing, which is why I usually just play on him.
Order classes definitely don't look as badass as destruction classes do. Dwarves..no. High elves...Big no. Only people who look decent on high elves is either the shadow warrior or swordmaster. I love playing human classes, but I'm usually a melee type who likes tons-o-armor. When Knight of the Blazing Sun comes out, you know I'll be playing that. Until then, destruction it is.
I think the imbalance in population comes from the simple fact that there isn't a single order class that is unique or sexy.
Witch Elves wear less than most women would go to the beach in. Sorceress, the same. Chosen, Black Orc and Marauders are slight variations on "billy bad azz" people wish they could be when road rage strikes, or the bully takes their lunch money.
Even if order was skewed to be tougher, I wouldn't play a single class because they're not nearly as interesting as the destruction side. I'm a nice person every day, why would I want to pretend to be ... me ...
Where's the Bretonnian Tanks? Done right, people would flock to play a character that fought almost exclusively from horseback. Get your first mount at lvl 10 instead of 20. Throw in a "CHARGE" special ability and it would be seriously cool to be or watch some chaos getting crunched underneath.
Wood Elf War Dancers would certainly add some sex appeal to the order side.
Right now, Order offers nothing that every other MMO hasn't already done.
Im sorry but Order loses on two fronts. First the classes are weak compared to their destruction counterparts second all the elves look like women no matter what you do to them and the dwarves while ok looking are far too easy to jump over in pvp and they get ignored while destruction kills the usually few healers there and proceed to roll over order rather easily.
For the most part only the DPS classes get any real play on order so we wind up with a weak easily defeated team. Its not the players faults its the lack of visual appeal on the order tanks and healers as well as them being fairly weak to begin with.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
On Grimnir, I win 90% of my T2 scenarios as a Swordmaster. Now step into RVR and destro comes out of the woodwork 2:1 easily, and then ontop of that they will still just camp the lord so he can steal their kills.
FYI there no such thing as male elves. All elves are female and most fantasy is wrong.
Elf guys in this game look lame. The females are okay, but I don't like elf eyes in general. As far as dwarves, I know short, fat, hairy people in real life and frankly I never wanted to be one.
Basically if you want to look bad ass pick destro....if you want to look other pick order....if you want to statistically speaking kick ass in pvp pick destro....if you want to get your ass kicked, statistically speaking, pick order.
Choices seem simple enough...and we wonder why there is faction imbalance?
FYI there no such thing as male elves. All elves are female and most fantasy is wrong.
Now that is just wrong. Male elves are metrosexuals and just a bit confused.
Looks elves originate from France and we all know there are no real men in France :P