Then McCain needs to step down as well for being born in Panama. Since you're not a McCain supporter, Im sure you agree with that
Let's take this to the legal conclusion.
A precedent was already set by Berry Goldwater born in the Arizona Territory, though he was not elected as president. This provides some support should McCain win and be challenged to court. The only item that can be disputed is not being born on US soil (though in Panama it was leased). Everything else supports McCain. So it goes to the court system, up to the Supreme Court. Seeing that the Supreme Court has a majority of Conservatives, most likely will provide a favorable verdict to McCain.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by Dekron Because truth of Obama is coming out? He is not eligible for Presidency, he has terrorist ties and is supported by dictators? It only takes a little reading to verify the truth of many of these statements. I believe the desperation of Obama supporters is rank. They simply ignore facts and continue to praise him as if he is some saint.
I don't support either McCain or Obama because they BOTH have ties to terrorist organizations. They are both dirty. But Republicans dont seem to care about McCain's ties the US Council for World Freedom, and Democrats don't seem to care that Obama has links to a man that wanted to kill people in his own country.
When are people going to realize that both of these guys are bad news?
Originally posted by Slythe Actually no, there's a law that was put into effect in the early 1900's (1906? or something like that) that says anyone born to a US citizen who is living in the Panama Canal Zone is a natural born US citizen. Which is pretty dumb if you ask me, considering that Panama is another freaking country and not a state controlled by us.
You are correct. It wasn't put into effect in the early 1900's, but it was retroactive to 1904. That law, on top of the above, is why McCain is a US Citizen.
Originally posted by Rayx0r Then McCain needs to step down as well for being born in Panama.
I don't think you read it. McCain is a US citizen based upon 8 USC 1401(c), Obama is not.
Paulistas were jumping up and down and screaming that John McCain was ineligible to run for President last spring.
They were of course in error. The "McCain wasn't born on US soil!" argument is totally bogus, based on a law passed in 1792! Not the first time, and certainly not the last time, the Paulistas were flat out wrong about something.
Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. You can't even use the bogus Goldwater argument on him (Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state). He's a natural born US Citizen. He's over 35, so constitutionally he's qualified to be the President.
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Originally posted by Dekron You are correct. It wasn't put into effect in the early 1900's, but it was retroactive to 1904. That law, on top of the above, is why McCain is a US Citizen.
Ah ok, thanks for the correction. I knew it had something to do with the early 1900's though lol.
Originally posted by Triggger Poor dekron You are really getting worried arnt you? Obama is one foot away from being your leader. Next, they will be getting the white hoods out and burning the cross, they are that scared.
1) Worried that an individual such as Obama would obtain Presidential powers? Most certainly.
2) He will never be my leader. Ever.
3) Of course, you must bring out the racist card when there is none.
Mcsame and his pathetic side kick failin are just digging a bigger hole and i say let them. Next, they will be getting the white hoods out and burning the cross, they are that scared.
Interesting, playing the race card while being a sexist.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Yeah, that`s right i am just like many other mcsame/failin supporters on this forum.
I'm just holding up the mirror and changing racism to sexism.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by SioBabble You're only destroying your own credibilty as you do so.
Let's see. You thought to yourself "Hmmm, my personal attack didn't phase him. Oh, I know! I will use my other tactic and attack credibility!"
Sorry, pal, but YOU are the one destroying your crediblity by making the totally false claim that Obama was not born in the United States. He was. In Honolulu. Capital city of the state of Hawaii. You know. In the United States. Of America. USA! USA!
Heck, he's got a perfectly valid copy of a birth certificate to prove it. The original is on file in Honolulu. With a raised seal and everything! Some guys at factcheck.org have seen it! It looked perfectly kosher to them!
Even if both his parents were not US citizens (his mother was born in Kansas, you know) by virtue of his birth in Honolulu he's a US citizen.
Keep claiming otherwise and confirming what everyone suspects about you.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
It matters not if one holds the power. That does not make him a leader. You simply follow that flawed logic because you are an indoctrinated Obamite. He will never be my leader, he will never be the leader of the United States. He will merely be a temporary plague.
And to counter your point, I voted for Obama in the California Primary, so I'm not a racist.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Mcsame and his pathetic side kick failin are just digging a bigger hole and i say let them. Next, they will be getting the white hoods out and burning the cross, they are that scared.
Interesting, playing the race card while being a sexist.
Let me get this straight.
By mentioning Palin's name (albeit in mocking form) Trigger is a sexist? The mocking was on her name, not anything else about her!
I mean, really. He didn't even allude to her sex. He just mentioned her name!
She's on the ticket, you know. You can't claim Trigger's a sexist because he mentioned that she's McCain's side kick. Because Joe Biden is Obama's side kick. It's what a veep IS. A side kick! There's nothing terribly derogatory about that.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Sorry, pal, but YOU are the one destroying your crediblity by making the totally false claim that Obama was not born in the United States. He was. In Honolulu. Capital city of the state of Hawaii. You know. In the United States. Of America. USA! USA!
The document you refer to is a short-form birth certificate. It is simply a quick copy. No one has seen, nor can find, the original long-form, "official" birth certificate.
Originally posted by Triggger Hehe, i am glad you are showing your real hate. Are you beating up your keyboard now through frustration. If he gets in he will be the leader of the USA and that makes him your leader,their will be no way round it. Obama your leader. 08
I never hid my hatred and disdain for Obama. He is the epitome of everything the US does not stand for. Your ideal of a "leader" is seriously misconstrued. I am not frustrated, but feel sorry for you since you lack any free will of your own.
You can repeat it as many times as you wish, but Obama will never be my leader. It's very sad you do not understand why.
Let me get this straight. By mentioning Palin's name (albeit in mocking form) Trigger is a sexist? The mocking was on her name, not anything else about her!
And when a person makes an attack against Obama or is a McCain supporter, that person is considered a racist. So that is why I make that statement.
Attack Obama, or vote for McCain: Thou art a Racist.
Attack Palin, or vote for Obama: Thou art a Sexist.
I know, rather pathetic because not everyone is a racist or a sexist, but I grow tired of reading of racist remarks here.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Sorry, pal, but YOU are the one destroying your crediblity by making the totally false claim that Obama was not born in the United States. He was. In Honolulu. Capital city of the state of Hawaii. You know. In the United States. Of America. USA! USA!
The document you refer to is a short-form birth certificate. It is simply a quick copy. No one has seen, nor can find, the original long-form, "official" birth certificate.
You have nothing to prove otherwise.
Thank you for playing. You're now using hypertechnicality that no one but you and your fellow Obama haters will buy into.
Your crediblity is still zero. By your own hand.
BTW, a "short form" birth certificate was all I needed to take the oath of office as a commisioned officer in the US Army, get a security clearance, and obtain a passport.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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Let's take this to the legal conclusion.
A precedent was already set by Berry Goldwater born in the Arizona Territory, though he was not elected as president. This provides some support should McCain win and be challenged to court. The only item that can be disputed is not being born on US soil (though in Panama it was leased). Everything else supports McCain. So it goes to the court system, up to the Supreme Court. Seeing that the Supreme Court has a majority of Conservatives, most likely will provide a favorable verdict to McCain.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I don't support either McCain or Obama because they BOTH have ties to terrorist organizations. They are both dirty. But Republicans dont seem to care about McCain's ties the US Council for World Freedom, and Democrats don't seem to care that Obama has links to a man that wanted to kill people in his own country.
When are people going to realize that both of these guys are bad news?
You are correct. It wasn't put into effect in the early 1900's, but it was retroactive to 1904. That law, on top of the above, is why McCain is a US Citizen.
I don't think you read it. McCain is a US citizen based upon 8 USC 1401(c), Obama is not.
Paulistas were jumping up and down and screaming that John McCain was ineligible to run for President last spring.
They were of course in error. The "McCain wasn't born on US soil!" argument is totally bogus, based on a law passed in 1792! Not the first time, and certainly not the last time, the Paulistas were flat out wrong about something.
Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. You can't even use the bogus Goldwater argument on him (Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state). He's a natural born US Citizen. He's over 35, so constitutionally he's qualified to be the President.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Personal attacks as usual. Do you have anything new?
No, he was not. He has yet to provide proof and his own family is willing to testify against him.
Ah ok, thanks for the correction. I knew it had something to do with the early 1900's though lol.
Personal attacks as usual. Do you have anything new?
You're one of the most rigid ideologues to be found in off topic discussion. You just got through making personal attacks on Daily Buzz yourself.
I'll keep pointing this out as long as you post, becasue you'll never change. You're as rigidly ideological as the most fervent Maoist.
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Once a denizen of Ahazi
Oh really. Please, show me my personal attack.
1) Worried that an individual such as Obama would obtain Presidential powers? Most certainly.
2) He will never be my leader. Ever.
3) Of course, you must bring out the racist card when there is none.
No, he was not. He has yet to provide proof and his own family is willing to testify against him.
Good grief.
The truth is utterly irrelevant to our rigid ideologue Dekron.
Keep saying that, pal. You're only destroying your own credibilty as you do so.
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Once a denizen of Ahazi
It`s not a personal attack.
That was referenced to Babble.
Interesting, playing the race card while being a sexist.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Let's see. You thought to yourself "Hmmm, my personal attack didn't phase him. Oh, I know! I will use my other tactic and attack credibility!"
No, he will not. He is not a leader unless acknowledged.
I'm just holding up the mirror and changing racism to sexism.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Let's see. You thought to yourself "Hmmm, my personal attack didn't phase him. Oh, I know! I will use my other tactic and attack credibility!"
Sorry, pal, but YOU are the one destroying your crediblity by making the totally false claim that Obama was not born in the United States. He was. In Honolulu. Capital city of the state of Hawaii. You know. In the United States. Of America. USA! USA!
Heck, he's got a perfectly valid copy of a birth certificate to prove it. The original is on file in Honolulu. With a raised seal and everything! Some guys at factcheck.org have seen it! It looked perfectly kosher to them!
Even if both his parents were not US citizens (his mother was born in Kansas, you know) by virtue of his birth in Honolulu he's a US citizen.
Keep claiming otherwise and confirming what everyone suspects about you.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
It matters not if one holds the power. That does not make him a leader. You simply follow that flawed logic because you are an indoctrinated Obamite. He will never be my leader, he will never be the leader of the United States. He will merely be a temporary plague.
No problem.
And to counter your point, I voted for Obama in the California Primary, so I'm not a racist.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Interesting, playing the race card while being a sexist.
Let me get this straight.
By mentioning Palin's name (albeit in mocking form) Trigger is a sexist? The mocking was on her name, not anything else about her!
I mean, really. He didn't even allude to her sex. He just mentioned her name!
She's on the ticket, you know. You can't claim Trigger's a sexist because he mentioned that she's McCain's side kick. Because Joe Biden is Obama's side kick. It's what a veep IS. A side kick! There's nothing terribly derogatory about that.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
The document you refer to is a short-form birth certificate. It is simply a quick copy. No one has seen, nor can find, the original long-form, "official" birth certificate.
You have nothing to prove otherwise.
It`s not a personal attack.
That was referenced to Babble.
OK, credit where it's due.
SOMEONE finally got the Babble part. About time.
Now, please connect it to Star Wars lore for bonus points!
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
I never hid my hatred and disdain for Obama. He is the epitome of everything the US does not stand for. Your ideal of a "leader" is seriously misconstrued. I am not frustrated, but feel sorry for you since you lack any free will of your own.
You can repeat it as many times as you wish, but Obama will never be my leader. It's very sad you do not understand why.
And when a person makes an attack against Obama or is a McCain supporter, that person is considered a racist. So that is why I make that statement.
Attack Obama, or vote for McCain: Thou art a Racist.
Attack Palin, or vote for Obama: Thou art a Sexist.
I know, rather pathetic because not everyone is a racist or a sexist, but I grow tired of reading of racist remarks here.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
The document you refer to is a short-form birth certificate. It is simply a quick copy. No one has seen, nor can find, the original long-form, "official" birth certificate.
You have nothing to prove otherwise.
Thank you for playing. You're now using hypertechnicality that no one but you and your fellow Obama haters will buy into.
Your crediblity is still zero. By your own hand.
BTW, a "short form" birth certificate was all I needed to take the oath of office as a commisioned officer in the US Army, get a security clearance, and obtain a passport.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi