thats just bad form, now to get the complete game..we gonna have to spend 3x$50?
I don't begrudge anyones right to be mad at this news but reading the article it says each game will be as big as the first starcraft by themselves so I tend to think you are getting what you pay for (shrugs).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
So none should ever buy any game wich has or will have expansions? If they release Starcraft 2 with only one campaining at first, then it's a full game and should be judged as such. And the next 2 Starcraft 2 releases will be expansions, it's not so uncommon for a game company to release expansions to their games. I trust that Blizzard will come up with superb game and two really good expansions for it.
But I agree that Blizzard has started grubbing a little too much money. Paid transfers from PvE to PvP servers I can still understand, because ultimately they don't mean so much after all. But their recruit a friend triple exp bonus means that they are selling triple levelling speed from 1-60, while at the same time they are banning botters, powerlevellers and account-buyers, who are trying to increase they leveling speed using those methods. And the news about paid character customization are a bit frightening, what will it mean? If they just start selling some nice-looking items wich won't have affect on game balance, then it's really not a problem for game balance. But if they start selling anything wich alters player stats in any way, then it'll be another way for players to purchase advantage in WoW.
they splitting it to make each one have 30 missions for each terron,zerg and protoss so 90 missions all together massive story arc combined but once again blizzard using there lore mastery in order to get more cash. as I see it i wanted sc2 for the multiplayer but playing the story i guess better be damn worth it for 80-200 bucks.
Well honestly who didnt see this coming? Look at how much they are making off of all the WoW products like card games, novels, miniatures, security keys, etc.. People will buy up whatever crap blizzard throws at them that has the World of Warcraft tag on it. So, guess what they figure all the Starcraft fans will do? The same thing.
Dont expect the trilogy of games to be the only thing coming. Not too long after release there will be downloadable map packs for $10, and advanced terran/protos/zerg squads for $5 each. Customize your army and give it its own identity in online play for $29.95!!! Dont like the lag of our free servers? For only $9.95 a month you can play on our premium SC2 servers which includes stats, rankings, friends lists, etc.. And dont forget to "purchase the complete set of zerg miniatures for $49.95 to unlock bonus missions in your zerg campaign."
While I am not in favor of this move, from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense. You release a game and dont have an expansion or something else within a few months then those customers are going to spend their money elsewhere.. Hopefully for the customers sake, each game in this trillogy is a full on game and not 1/3rd of a complete game.
Sad. They were one of the best companies out there. Now they just milk their successful franchises.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
well its been proven over the past few years that wow players dont like any other games, or at least a majority of them. They can charge whatever they want and you guys will keep forking over.
I think the real test is going to be on their next mmo.
i would not be surprised to see a industry high subscription charge (above $15/mo) on top of rebuying the box every expansion.
why, because they know you will pay it rather than play another game.
sounds like blizzard has labeld its player base as suckers..
HAHA what is it with today's gen. of people who try to play games, I mean this is what they are talking about "each game would be approximate in size to the original StarCraft. Each game will be a stand-alone installment – not an expansion"
Oh noes they are given the players even more StarCraft, how can a gamecompany do something like this......amazing......the end of the world is near.........sorry it's pretty early today and then to read a topic like this.......
That's too bad. When I heard the game was going to be broken up into 3 separate games I assumed they were going to be in the same box as compilation title.
They better give players a discount or more than their moneys worth on this or a lot of folks will feel cheated.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Ok. So they give 3 Starcrafts instead of one and that is bad how exactly?
Yes EACH of them is gonna be as big as the WHOLE starcraft! They are not selling you a 10 mission campaign for full price, for God's sake, people these days will complain about anything, I swear!
A FULL sized campaign for each race sounds great, especially if the story will be of quality.
There is no mention of prices anywhere, but I am sure you can wait a few months and take home the "Starcraft 2 battle chest" that will have all three of them for about the price of one (as usually the battle chests work).
I think this is a great news, not a bad one, it means MORE starcraft, really!
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
The price of a normal pc game is 40-60 dollars. So if the combined price of all 3 parts is anywhere more than that, it should be considered a ripoff.
And what if the other 2 campaigns are the size of full games? Are you going to say they are rip offs if Blizzard charges full price for a full game?
Im guessing you will.
What I find odd is that no one jumped on Guild Wars for charging full price for each installment and yet the rules are somehow different for Blizzard.
This topic looks like another standard Blizzard hate fest for the sake of hating on Blizzard.
Guildwars gives you a whole game instead of 'preplanned' content that was already there from day one on top of that campaigns aren't the core of the game, but they're still releasing units here and there so even if y ou don't touch the campaigns for some reason or another you just have to buy them.
Sure the campaigns probably won't be made by now but we already know blizzard enough that they have all the new units they plan on releasing and most of the balance for them. We'll probably even see the new units in the last part of the missions but not play them(last part is obviously a wild guess by most standards).
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
And what if the other 2 campaigns are the size of full games? Are you going to say they are rip offs if Blizzard charges full price for a full game?
Doesn't matter how long they make the campaign, in fact longer is worse in some regard - RTS single player gameplay typically gets stale before you hit the end of one races campaign, and its the switching to different campaigns that keeps everything fresh and unique. All this means is we will have to trudge through three times as much staleness before getting to the fresh stuff. There is simply not enough variety in gameplay in a single race to be considered a full game's worth of content. Its like releasing an mmo with one class, additional classes purchased by expansion (oh oh... i hope i didnt just give them a bad idea).
Ultimately, every RTS ever released has shipped with multiple campaigns, and this will ship with one. If you think this is actually a positive move for the industry... by all means support it. What I find odd is that no one jumped on Guild Wars for charging full price for each installment and yet the rules are somehow different for Blizzard.
The problem is not about having installments. The problem is the amount of content and variety contained within a single installment. RTS's are by nature, not that deep within a single 'faction'. There is little room to change things up. The best they can hope for is some additional storyline. Guild Wars came with many classes to choose from. And I bet you the number of hours of content in guild wars is several times what the starcraft content will be. You are comparing apples to oranges. This topic looks like another standard Blizzard hate fest for the sake of hating on Blizzard.
Don't fall into the ignorence trap of labeling everyone as a hater if they don't support this move. I have nearly all blizzard games released to date and I thought WoW was a great mmo. I have no longstanding blizzard hate like many others in this community. But realistically an RTS with only one faction compaign is a huge step back for the genre.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
I for one think Blizzard are one of the few companies out there that still have integrity. I really get a sense that they are just a bunch of talented guys who love playing and making games, just look at their recruitments: Jeff Kaplan used to be the Guild Leader for one of Everquests biggest guilds and now he is a lead designer for WoW.
They have protracted development cycles because they want their games to be perfect for the fans. If people were a little more informed before jumping to conclusions and leaping aboard the 'Blizzard are now capitalist pigs' bandwagon, they would know that this decision was from a development standpoint.
To paraphrase their statement at Blizzcon, they said that to get the game complete with all races, balancing, quests etc. would take an obscenely long time. Instead, to keep their fans from waiting, they are going to break the game into chunks to deliver to a more realistic timescale without compromising quality.
I don't care playing SC2. .....Not my kind of game.
The War/Mythic fans are willing to pay 15 Euros per month for War. So they are paying 180 + 50 Euros for an underdevelopped and crappy MMO. If they can stand the boredom of course for that long. Mythic should be giving refunds for those with a nervous breakdown after this period.
Blizzard must have thinking if THAT is possible, well we can sell 3*40 Euros for the complete SC2 campaign as well.
And I don't even play SC, but I bet you it will have more lasting appeal than that clunky piece of hyped War has in stock.
So blame it on Mythic and FunCom: they create hype without an added value and STILL can charge 50 bucks. So the customers are once again the victims.
I don't care playing SC2. .....Not my kind of game. The War/Mythic fans are willing to pay 15 Euros per month for War. So they are paying 180 + 50 Euros for an underdevelopped and crappy MMO. If they can stand the boredom of course for that long. Mythic should be giving refunds for those with a nervous breakdown after this period. Blizzard must have thinking if THAT is possible, well we can sell 3*40 Euros for the complete SC2 campaign as well. And I don't even play SC, but I bet you it will have more lasting appeal than that clunky piece of hyped War has in stock. So blame it on Mythic and FunCom: they create hype without an added value and STILL can charge 50 bucks. So the customers are once again the victims.
wtf do these mmos have to do with SC2? nothing, your just venting your anti - anybody who doesnt like blizzard - rage.
and just for the record, this rage only stands right now if they charge full price for each campaign. If they dont, then i am cool with it and have no problem, its if they think they are going to get 150 bucks from me for a 3 tier game which i will probably blow through each one in a month. Not going to happen. And then of course they will charge you for expansions later on to each campaign, which will be another 50 bucks.
Then i see the item mall option in wow for customization, possible online charges for D3, and it just starts getting me a little fired up. There is no reason why, a company like vivendi/blizzard, which brings in the amount of money it does from wow, would need to charge for these sort of options.
If you think this was a bad idea, just ask yourself if you believe your opinion more than Blizzards reasons.
Then look at your and Blizzards track records and continue from there.
I just find it strange how internet started hating on Blizzard, it's everywhere, in every title of every news about every new new blizzard descision. Sure people who actually tryed D3 at Blizzcon are convinced it's gonna rock, but we are still far from people actually playing the single player SC2 to start praising it.
If you think this was a bad idea, just ask yourself if you believe your opinion more than Blizzards reasons. Then look at your and Blizzards track records and continue from there. I just find it strange how internet started hating on Blizzard, it's everywhere, in every title of every news about every new new blizzard descision. Sure people who actually tryed D3 at Blizzcon are convinced it's gonna rock, but we are still far from people actually playing the single player SC2 to start praising it.
where do i state i hate blizzard, i own everyone of their games, and loved almost all of them...do you know how many countless nights i layed awake playing D1 in HS and D2 in college? lol
I don't care playing SC2. .....Not my kind of game. The War/Mythic fans are willing to pay 15 Euros per month for War. So they are paying 180 + 50 Euros for an underdevelopped and crappy MMO. If they can stand the boredom of course for that long. Mythic should be giving refunds for those with a nervous breakdown after this period. Blizzard must have thinking if THAT is possible, well we can sell 3*40 Euros for the complete SC2 campaign as well. And I don't even play SC, but I bet you it will have more lasting appeal than that clunky piece of hyped War has in stock. So blame it on Mythic and FunCom: they create hype without an added value and STILL can charge 50 bucks. So the customers are once again the victims.
HAHA I think its funny bodypass that you have been a member here for 1 month and have almost 400 posts almost all of them bashing WAR and promoting WoW. This post isnt even about WAR and somehow you "vomit" out your "WAR touches me at night" attitude full of anger and spitefulness. How much does blizzard pay you? Maybe a better question is -- Do you use vasoline or lotion when polishing Robert Kotick's short sword? Reguardless you need to give it a rest. Go outside and get some sun on those pasty thighs.
Personally I don't mind the 3 campaigns for SC2 in the initial box we are getting 30+ terran pve missions, a Protos and Zerg mini campaign, full multi player with all three races.
then with the next Xpac we get 30+ missions for the Zerg, new multiplayer maps and units.
then we get 30+ protos single player missions, more multi player maps and units
thats 90-100 missions (depending on how big the zerg/prot mini-campaigns are) keep in mind the Pve lets you explore a ter/prot/zerg ship and has a fully fleashed out story arc with side missions and units can be purchased.
A shit ton of multiplayer maps, tons of units, map editor, skirmish mode, battle.net 2.0
Thats a lot of content I would rather it this way than getting only 8-10 missions for each race and full multiplayer and blizz calling it a day.
30 ter missions +3-5 Zerg missions + 3-5 Protoss Missions > 8-10 missions for all
Now can someone link me the info on this so called Item shop for Diablo?
there is no item shop for diablo that i am aware of, i said item shop for wow character customization, and possibly an online fea for diablo 3, nothing about an item shop for diablo though
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I don't begrudge anyones right to be mad at this news but reading the article it says each game will be as big as the first starcraft by themselves so I tend to think you are getting what you pay for (shrugs).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
So none should ever buy any game wich has or will have expansions? If they release Starcraft 2 with only one campaining at first, then it's a full game and should be judged as such. And the next 2 Starcraft 2 releases will be expansions, it's not so uncommon for a game company to release expansions to their games. I trust that Blizzard will come up with superb game and two really good expansions for it.
But I agree that Blizzard has started grubbing a little too much money. Paid transfers from PvE to PvP servers I can still understand, because ultimately they don't mean so much after all. But their recruit a friend triple exp bonus means that they are selling triple levelling speed from 1-60, while at the same time they are banning botters, powerlevellers and account-buyers, who are trying to increase they leveling speed using those methods. And the news about paid character customization are a bit frightening, what will it mean? If they just start selling some nice-looking items wich won't have affect on game balance, then it's really not a problem for game balance. But if they start selling anything wich alters player stats in any way, then it'll be another way for players to purchase advantage in WoW.
they splitting it to make each one have 30 missions for each terron,zerg and protoss so 90 missions all together massive story arc combined but once again blizzard using there lore mastery in order to get more cash. as I see it i wanted sc2 for the multiplayer but playing the story i guess better be damn worth it for 80-200 bucks.
Well honestly who didnt see this coming? Look at how much they are making off of all the WoW products like card games, novels, miniatures, security keys, etc.. People will buy up whatever crap blizzard throws at them that has the World of Warcraft tag on it. So, guess what they figure all the Starcraft fans will do? The same thing.
Dont expect the trilogy of games to be the only thing coming. Not too long after release there will be downloadable map packs for $10, and advanced terran/protos/zerg squads for $5 each. Customize your army and give it its own identity in online play for $29.95!!! Dont like the lag of our free servers? For only $9.95 a month you can play on our premium SC2 servers which includes stats, rankings, friends lists, etc.. And dont forget to "purchase the complete set of zerg miniatures for $49.95 to unlock bonus missions in your zerg campaign."
While I am not in favor of this move, from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense. You release a game and dont have an expansion or something else within a few months then those customers are going to spend their money elsewhere.. Hopefully for the customers sake, each game in this trillogy is a full on game and not 1/3rd of a complete game.
Warp
Sad. They were one of the best companies out there. Now they just milk their successful franchises.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
They were one of the best companies out there. Now theyre just a subsidiary of Viacom.
----ITS A TRAP!!!----
well its been proven over the past few years that wow players dont like any other games, or at least a majority of them. They can charge whatever they want and you guys will keep forking over.
I think the real test is going to be on their next mmo.
i would not be surprised to see a industry high subscription charge (above $15/mo) on top of rebuying the box every expansion.
why, because they know you will pay it rather than play another game.
sounds like blizzard has labeld its player base as suckers..
HAHA what is it with today's gen. of people who try to play games, I mean this is what they are talking about "each game would be approximate in size to the original StarCraft. Each game will be a stand-alone installment – not an expansion"
Oh noes they are given the players even more StarCraft, how can a gamecompany do something like this......amazing......the end of the world is near.........sorry it's pretty early today and then to read a topic like this.......
That's too bad. When I heard the game was going to be broken up into 3 separate games I assumed they were going to be in the same box as compilation title.
They better give players a discount or more than their moneys worth on this or a lot of folks will feel cheated.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Ok. So they give 3 Starcrafts instead of one and that is bad how exactly?
Yes EACH of them is gonna be as big as the WHOLE starcraft! They are not selling you a 10 mission campaign for full price, for God's sake, people these days will complain about anything, I swear!
A FULL sized campaign for each race sounds great, especially if the story will be of quality.
There is no mention of prices anywhere, but I am sure you can wait a few months and take home the "Starcraft 2 battle chest" that will have all three of them for about the price of one (as usually the battle chests work).
I think this is a great news, not a bad one, it means MORE starcraft, really!
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
no doubt they got their eyes on more and more $$ but isn't this the same as half-life 2 and it's episodes?
Looking forward to the Rips.
And what if the other 2 campaigns are the size of full games? Are you going to say they are rip offs if Blizzard charges full price for a full game?
Im guessing you will.
What I find odd is that no one jumped on Guild Wars for charging full price for each installment and yet the rules are somehow different for Blizzard.
This topic looks like another standard Blizzard hate fest for the sake of hating on Blizzard.
Guildwars gives you a whole game instead of 'preplanned' content that was already there from day one on top of that campaigns aren't the core of the game, but they're still releasing units here and there so even if y ou don't touch the campaigns for some reason or another you just have to buy them.
Sure the campaigns probably won't be made by now but we already know blizzard enough that they have all the new units they plan on releasing and most of the balance for them. We'll probably even see the new units in the last part of the missions but not play them(last part is obviously a wild guess by most standards).
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
I for one think Blizzard are one of the few companies out there that still have integrity. I really get a sense that they are just a bunch of talented guys who love playing and making games, just look at their recruitments: Jeff Kaplan used to be the Guild Leader for one of Everquests biggest guilds and now he is a lead designer for WoW.
They have protracted development cycles because they want their games to be perfect for the fans. If people were a little more informed before jumping to conclusions and leaping aboard the 'Blizzard are now capitalist pigs' bandwagon, they would know that this decision was from a development standpoint.
To paraphrase their statement at Blizzcon, they said that to get the game complete with all races, balancing, quests etc. would take an obscenely long time. Instead, to keep their fans from waiting, they are going to break the game into chunks to deliver to a more realistic timescale without compromising quality.
I don't care playing SC2. .....Not my kind of game.
The War/Mythic fans are willing to pay 15 Euros per month for War. So they are paying 180 + 50 Euros for an underdevelopped and crappy MMO. If they can stand the boredom of course for that long. Mythic should be giving refunds for those with a nervous breakdown after this period.
Blizzard must have thinking if THAT is possible, well we can sell 3*40 Euros for the complete SC2 campaign as well.
And I don't even play SC, but I bet you it will have more lasting appeal than that clunky piece of hyped War has in stock.
So blame it on Mythic and FunCom: they create hype without an added value and STILL can charge 50 bucks. So the customers are once again the victims.
wtf do these mmos have to do with SC2? nothing, your just venting your anti - anybody who doesnt like blizzard - rage.
and just for the record, this rage only stands right now if they charge full price for each campaign. If they dont, then i am cool with it and have no problem, its if they think they are going to get 150 bucks from me for a 3 tier game which i will probably blow through each one in a month. Not going to happen. And then of course they will charge you for expansions later on to each campaign, which will be another 50 bucks.
Then i see the item mall option in wow for customization, possible online charges for D3, and it just starts getting me a little fired up. There is no reason why, a company like vivendi/blizzard, which brings in the amount of money it does from wow, would need to charge for these sort of options.
If you think this was a bad idea, just ask yourself if you believe your opinion more than Blizzards reasons.
Then look at your and Blizzards track records and continue from there.
I just find it strange how internet started hating on Blizzard, it's everywhere, in every title of every news about every new new blizzard descision. Sure people who actually tryed D3 at Blizzcon are convinced it's gonna rock, but we are still far from people actually playing the single player SC2 to start praising it.
where do i state i hate blizzard, i own everyone of their games, and loved almost all of them...do you know how many countless nights i layed awake playing D1 in HS and D2 in college? lol
Are you internet miagisan?
HAHA I think its funny bodypass that you have been a member here for 1 month and have almost 400 posts almost all of them bashing WAR and promoting WoW. This post isnt even about WAR and somehow you "vomit" out your "WAR touches me at night" attitude full of anger and spitefulness. How much does blizzard pay you? Maybe a better question is -- Do you use vasoline or lotion when polishing Robert Kotick's short sword? Reguardless you need to give it a rest. Go outside and get some sun on those pasty thighs.
Personally I don't mind the 3 campaigns for SC2 in the initial box we are getting 30+ terran pve missions, a Protos and Zerg mini campaign, full multi player with all three races.
then with the next Xpac we get 30+ missions for the Zerg, new multiplayer maps and units.
then we get 30+ protos single player missions, more multi player maps and units
thats 90-100 missions (depending on how big the zerg/prot mini-campaigns are) keep in mind the Pve lets you explore a ter/prot/zerg ship and has a fully fleashed out story arc with side missions and units can be purchased.
A shit ton of multiplayer maps, tons of units, map editor, skirmish mode, battle.net 2.0
Thats a lot of content I would rather it this way than getting only 8-10 missions for each race and full multiplayer and blizz calling it a day.
30 ter missions +3-5 Zerg missions + 3-5 Protoss Missions > 8-10 missions for all
Now can someone link me the info on this so called Item shop for Diablo?
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
there is no item shop for diablo that i am aware of, i said item shop for wow character customization, and possibly an online fea for diablo 3, nothing about an item shop for diablo though
hey if you guys are cool with it, fine, but i am venting, nothing more, and though i probably will not buy all 3 campaigns, i might buy 1.