Oh noes, a hotfix caused issues, how will Mythic ever fix this? Dude, OP, if it's really really bad, Mythic will just rollback the hotfix to get rid of the problems, tweak the fix until it's not doing the bad things anymore then either re-hotfix or throw it in the next patch.
And the point is that now bugs are accurring that possibly are so big that it requires a rollback. That is a huge issue even tho you fanboys dont consider it to be.
Players got burned on the "new "bug creations issues in AOC every patch and hotfix. It was a obvious sign that the devs and technical crew is doing a poor job and should be a warning sign to all. And if its affecting the game data then that is a HUGE ISSUE. And like said - it is not happening to all so next data issue might be affecting gold or renown or whatever that ppl dont notice right away and might need huge rollbacks.
SInce ppl think this is a made up issue.... These problems are caused by a technical issue with one of our support systems. Our system admins are on it and we'll hopefully see a solution soon. A server restart may be needed. Should I get an update on our progress, I'll get back to you in this thread.
Ok so they hotfixed something this morning and there was a problem with their support systems that they are looking into and more than likely will be fixed today and all of the data loss fixed/reversed and your preaching doom over this? I would say they were pretty efficient identifying the problem on the day it happened and working on a fix.
Most likely all data will hopefully be fixed yes. But it is STILL gamebreaking cause there are ppl at this point in time that CAN NOT play the game. There is no info up on official sites about this EXACTLY because it is a huge issue that diretly shows that there are HUGE issues with this.
I honestly do not get your point "its a huge issue that shows that there are HUGE issues with this" ?!?! Something was broken on their support servers today and they are looking to fix it ASAP, i still dont get it why you are preaching doom over this.
I dont think you understand how this works the servers are not a piece of glass that now is broken and they are gonna glue it together they can just reverse back to the state prior to the patch and fix it if they want, bugs are just gonna happen no matter how much you test it, its how they handle them that really matters and they seem pretty much on top of it and there is no reason to worry about it.
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How is reversing a bad thing you make it seem like a bad thing they only have to rollback the characters that were lost, not the entire population lol, thats not how the servers work, there are separated layers that handle different things, the people who will get a rollback are most likely people who lost their characters and those will be restored to just before they lost them.
SInce ppl think this is a made up issue.... These problems are caused by a technical issue with one of our support systems. Our system admins are on it and we'll hopefully see a solution soon. A server restart may be needed. Should I get an update on our progress, I'll get back to you in this thread.
Oh noes, a hotfix caused issues, how will Mythic ever fix this? Dude, OP, if it's really really bad, Mythic will just rollback the hotfix to get rid of the problems, tweak the fix until it's not doing the bad things anymore then either re-hotfix or throw it in the next patch.
And the point is that now bugs are accurring that possibly are so big that it requires a rollback. That is a huge issue even tho you fanboys dont consider it to be.
Players got burned on the "new "bug creations issues in AOC every patch and hotfix. It was a obvious sign that the devs and technical crew is doing a poor job and should be a warning sign to all. And if its affecting the game data then that is a HUGE ISSUE. And like said - it is not happening to all so next data issue might be affecting gold or renown or whatever that ppl dont notice right away and might need huge rollbacks.
I'm no fanboy. You must be new to MMOs, this is a tiny problem for a game this new.
As far as new bug creations every patch/hotfix, this is #1 by my count, I'll worry later.
no data is ever lost, all servers are redundant and can be rolled back at a moments notice....every single mmorpg and online game has a redundant system.
I honestly do not get your point "its a huge issue that shows that there are HUGE issues with this" ?!?! Something was broken on their support servers today and they are looking to fix it ASAP, i still dont get it why you are preaching doom over this. I dont think you understand how this works the servers are not a piece of glass that now is broken and they are gonna glue it together they can just reverse back to the state prior to the patch and fix it if they want, bugs are just gonna happen no matter how much you test it, its how they handle them that really matters and they seem pretty much on top of it and there is no reason to worry about it.
Edit: How is reversing a bad thing you make it seem like a bad thing they only have to rollback the characters that were lost, not the entire population lol, thats not how the servers work, there are separated layers that handle different things, the people who will get a rollback are most likely people who lost their characters and those will be restored to just before they lost them.
Im sorry but I dont think you have any idea how game coding works. Seriously stick to your job as fanboy here and let the devs handle the rollback. Thank god you are not doing my rollbacks.
These are issues. Yes there is a problem. No it is NOT gamebreaking. No it is NOT the end of the game. No it is NOT that big of a deal.
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
These are issues. Yes there is a problem. No it is NOT gamebreaking. No it is NOT the end of the game. No it is NOT that big of a deal.
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
i will make you a bet right now, that everyone will have their toons and guilds back before the end of the hotfix....what would you like to bet?
These are issues. Yes there is a problem. No it is NOT gamebreaking. No it is NOT the end of the game. No it is NOT that big of a deal.
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
I honestly do not get your point "its a huge issue that shows that there are HUGE issues with this" ?!?! Something was broken on their support servers today and they are looking to fix it ASAP, i still dont get it why you are preaching doom over this. I dont think you understand how this works the servers are not a piece of glass that now is broken and they are gonna glue it together they can just reverse back to the state prior to the patch and fix it if they want, bugs are just gonna happen no matter how much you test it, its how they handle them that really matters and they seem pretty much on top of it and there is no reason to worry about it.
Edit: How is reversing a bad thing you make it seem like a bad thing they only have to rollback the characters that were lost, not the entire population lol, thats not how the servers work, there are separated layers that handle different things, the people who will get a rollback are most likely people who lost their characters and those will be restored to just before they lost them.
Im sorry but I dont think you have any idea how game coding works. Seriously stick to your job as fanboy here and let the devs handle the rollback. Thank god you are not doing my rollbacks.
As a matter of fact I am a game engine programmer, and you sir have no clue what you are talking about, and the more you post the more you show your ignorance, I rest my case as you have no more refuting arguments.
I honestly do not get your point "its a huge issue that shows that there are HUGE issues with this" ?!?! Something was broken on their support servers today and they are looking to fix it ASAP, i still dont get it why you are preaching doom over this. I dont think you understand how this works the servers are not a piece of glass that now is broken and they are gonna glue it together they can just reverse back to the state prior to the patch and fix it if they want, bugs are just gonna happen no matter how much you test it, its how they handle them that really matters and they seem pretty much on top of it and there is no reason to worry about it.
Edit: How is reversing a bad thing you make it seem like a bad thing they only have to rollback the characters that were lost, not the entire population lol, thats not how the servers work, there are separated layers that handle different things, the people who will get a rollback are most likely people who lost their characters and those will be restored to just before they lost them.
Im sorry but I dont think you have any idea how game coding works. Seriously stick to your job as fanboy here and let the devs handle the rollback. Thank god you are not doing my rollbacks.
As a matter of fact I am a game engine programmer, and you sir have no clue what you are talking about, and the more you post the more you show your ignorance, I rest my case as you have no more refuting arguments.
lol - yes.. you are a game enginer programmer.... At work are you ? lol
Since this is all so simple.... I hope these ppl will be get their extra days played with these rollbacks. hahaha.
These are issues. Yes there is a problem. No it is NOT gamebreaking. No it is NOT the end of the game. No it is NOT that big of a deal.
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
i will make you a bet right now, that everyone will have their toons and guilds back before the end of the hotfix....what would you like to bet?
It would be wrong of you to take advantage of the less fortunate like that Miagisan. It seems pretty clear that this person hasn't been around playing MMOs for very long, maybe a year or two at best. Those of us who have been around since the late 1990s know that stuff like this can happen, it isn't "GAMEBREAKING!!!!11!!" like the OP is trying to make it up to be.
Some people just want to try to put themselves on the "gaming radar" to try to look important with this tabloid magazine type chicken little hype. I can't count since 1997 how many times stuff like this has happened over the MANY MMOs I've played and every single time it was fixed in a few days.
*yawn*
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
I tried to read this thread and just couldn't get through it. Two different sides are arguing against brick walls that aren't going to listen to them:
Ok, yes, there may have been a problem with a hotfix. That happens in MMOs, so there's really no need to call the guy a liar. That's just way out of line.
On the other hand, the psot was created and seemed to imply that this is a catastrpohicx problem that won't be addressed and that is just not coming to light. Of course fans of the game are going to get defensive when it's approached like that.
So let's all just stop and take a deep breath. A hotfix may very well have cause some serious issues. It happens. If Mythic doesn't fix the problem, then we can get all up in arms about it. Until then, the sky probably isn't falling.
I was going to approach the topic until I saw Stradden's post so I'll behave *sigh* honestly though its not gamebreaking its normal...I've been MMOing since UO and to be honest this sort of stuff happens. Its only game breaking / worth getting upset over if the Devs don't do anything about it. Mythic is extremely active and on the ball when stuff like this happens which is a good thing and thats all that should matter. Everyone on both sides just needs to chill out there's no Failcom'ing going on here.
ha i remember the bug in WoW that allowed druids to get their full T6 gear, maybe it was shammies, and just open a can of woopazz on ppl. That was pretty funny
These are issues. Yes there is a problem. No it is NOT gamebreaking. No it is NOT the end of the game. No it is NOT that big of a deal.
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
How much of a drama queen are you? Yes... it's shocking that something like this happened. I would hate to log on to find a char gone or a guild gone. However, no... it is not something to worry about, as i would bet good money it'll be fixed by tonight. But hey... keep screaming doom. Let me know how that works out for you. Everything you listed is a minor issue at best with a very short term solution.
I would have to agree that the OP acted like a drama queen with the title of this thread however, I don't understand peoples actions. So many are saying "what is the big deal?" I do not think you would preaching this if your characters were deleted. In the end, the problem will most likely be fixed but at what cost? This patch just gives people more reasons not to renew their subscription.
Few huge issues now happening with game. - WHole guilds "dissapear". Players are no longer in the guilds.
- Players that travel with the flight service ends out in nowhere and have to "Ctrl-del" out of the game.
- Some characters ingame have dissapeared from Mythic databases. Meaning yes... they no longer existing...
- Players can not join scenarios. Great job Mythic.
All of the bugs mentioned are what happens right before a server is about to crash. Part of playing on a high pop server. Once this happens just wait for the server to reset and everythings good to go. My servers been full since CE launch and i've seen it happen 2 times.
According to the OP, World of WarCraft is a failure because pretty much all servers were having hourly down-time, on a daily basis, for the first few months of its launch (which repeated itself in the EU release 3 months later). In addition customer support was virtually non-existent. I'm sure Blizzard would check in on this thread and laugh at the OP, but to be honest I think they're a bit too busy polishing their Ferraris.
Well, to be honest, according to the OP, pretty much all MMOs are failures since WAR is pretty much one of the, if not the, least troublesome in this regard. Most likely the OP is someone new to the MMO scene, likely joined World of WarCraft a year or more after release, and believes the game didn't have a horrible and buggy launch, and that MMOs ever launch in a perfect state. Or he's simply bitter that his personal favourite MMO is crap, and feels a need to project its failure onto new MMOs coming out. In essence - nerd rage.
According to the OP, World of WarCraft is a failure because pretty much all servers were having hourly down-time, on a daily basis, for the first few months of its launch (which repeated itself in the EU release 3 months later). In addition customer support was virtually non-existent. I'm sure Blizzard would check in on this thread and laugh at the OP, but to be honest I think they're a bit too busy polishing their Ferraris. Well, to be honest, according to the OP, pretty much all MMOs are failures since WAR is pretty much one of the, if not the, least troublesome in this regard.
Nope, they are too busy releasing Starcraft II as three different games in order to create steps to their next MMO. They are painting the new garages their next 4 Ferraris are going in.
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And the point is that now bugs are accurring that possibly are so big that it requires a rollback. That is a huge issue even tho you fanboys dont consider it to be.
Players got burned on the "new "bug creations issues in AOC every patch and hotfix. It was a obvious sign that the devs and technical crew is doing a poor job and should be a warning sign to all. And if its affecting the game data then that is a HUGE ISSUE. And like said - it is not happening to all so next data issue might be affecting gold or renown or whatever that ppl dont notice right away and might need huge rollbacks.
Ok so they hotfixed something this morning and there was a problem with their support systems that they are looking into and more than likely will be fixed today and all of the data loss fixed/reversed and your preaching doom over this? I would say they were pretty efficient identifying the problem on the day it happened and working on a fix.
Most likely all data will hopefully be fixed yes. But it is STILL gamebreaking cause there are ppl at this point in time that CAN NOT play the game. There is no info up on official sites about this EXACTLY because it is a huge issue that diretly shows that there are HUGE issues with this.
I honestly do not get your point "its a huge issue that shows that there are HUGE issues with this" ?!?! Something was broken on their support servers today and they are looking to fix it ASAP, i still dont get it why you are preaching doom over this.
I dont think you understand how this works the servers are not a piece of glass that now is broken and they are gonna glue it together they can just reverse back to the state prior to the patch and fix it if they want, bugs are just gonna happen no matter how much you test it, its how they handle them that really matters and they seem pretty much on top of it and there is no reason to worry about it.
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How is reversing a bad thing you make it seem like a bad thing they only have to rollback the characters that were lost, not the entire population lol, thats not how the servers work, there are separated layers that handle different things, the people who will get a rollback are most likely people who lost their characters and those will be restored to just before they lost them.
Man, every day I hear how the game is dead. The game is broke, people quitting.
Sounds like just about every game I've ever played. The vocal minority screaming the game is dead.
Ah, well. Will be back on tonite playing again. And loving it.
So they appeared after the update this morning and they're already working on it?
What's the big deal man... not like these issues have been in game for months. Kudos to Mythic for addressing the issues so quickly.
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And the point is that now bugs are accurring that possibly are so big that it requires a rollback. That is a huge issue even tho you fanboys dont consider it to be.
Players got burned on the "new "bug creations issues in AOC every patch and hotfix. It was a obvious sign that the devs and technical crew is doing a poor job and should be a warning sign to all. And if its affecting the game data then that is a HUGE ISSUE. And like said - it is not happening to all so next data issue might be affecting gold or renown or whatever that ppl dont notice right away and might need huge rollbacks.
I'm no fanboy. You must be new to MMOs, this is a tiny problem for a game this new.
As far as new bug creations every patch/hotfix, this is #1 by my count, I'll worry later.
no data is ever lost, all servers are redundant and can be rolled back at a moments notice....every single mmorpg and online game has a redundant system.
Im sorry but I dont think you have any idea how game coding works. Seriously stick to your job as fanboy here and let the devs handle the rollback. Thank god you are not doing my rollbacks.
umm ok....
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
i will make you a bet right now, that everyone will have their toons and guilds back before the end of the hotfix....what would you like to bet?
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
Or a 2 hour server restart...
Im sorry but I dont think you have any idea how game coding works. Seriously stick to your job as fanboy here and let the devs handle the rollback. Thank god you are not doing my rollbacks.
As a matter of fact I am a game engine programmer, and you sir have no clue what you are talking about, and the more you post the more you show your ignorance, I rest my case as you have no more refuting arguments.
Im sorry but I dont think you have any idea how game coding works. Seriously stick to your job as fanboy here and let the devs handle the rollback. Thank god you are not doing my rollbacks.
As a matter of fact I am a game engine programmer, and you sir have no clue what you are talking about, and the more you post the more you show your ignorance, I rest my case as you have no more refuting arguments.
lol - yes.. you are a game enginer programmer.... At work are you ? lol
Since this is all so simple.... I hope these ppl will be get their extra days played with these rollbacks. hahaha.
i am thinking you have issues, or just like the attention at this point
Is this your first MMO?
have you never seen bugs come up when a game is first patched?
So you're telling me with this mornings update a few crappy bugs were created? give the freaking guys some time to fix the shit man
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No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
i will make you a bet right now, that everyone will have their toons and guilds back before the end of the hotfix....what would you like to bet?
It would be wrong of you to take advantage of the less fortunate like that Miagisan. It seems pretty clear that this person hasn't been around playing MMOs for very long, maybe a year or two at best. Those of us who have been around since the late 1990s know that stuff like this can happen, it isn't "GAMEBREAKING!!!!11!!" like the OP is trying to make it up to be.
Some people just want to try to put themselves on the "gaming radar" to try to look important with this tabloid magazine type chicken little hype. I can't count since 1997 how many times stuff like this has happened over the MANY MMOs I've played and every single time it was fixed in a few days.
*yawn*
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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All right, that's enough folks.
I tried to read this thread and just couldn't get through it. Two different sides are arguing against brick walls that aren't going to listen to them:
Ok, yes, there may have been a problem with a hotfix. That happens in MMOs, so there's really no need to call the guy a liar. That's just way out of line.
On the other hand, the psot was created and seemed to imply that this is a catastrpohicx problem that won't be addressed and that is just not coming to light. Of course fans of the game are going to get defensive when it's approached like that.
So let's all just stop and take a deep breath. A hotfix may very well have cause some serious issues. It happens. If Mythic doesn't fix the problem, then we can get all up in arms about it. Until then, the sky probably isn't falling.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
I was going to approach the topic until I saw Stradden's post so I'll behave *sigh* honestly though its not gamebreaking its normal...I've been MMOing since UO and to be honest this sort of stuff happens. Its only game breaking / worth getting upset over if the Devs don't do anything about it. Mythic is extremely active and on the ball when stuff like this happens which is a good thing and thats all that should matter. Everyone on both sides just needs to chill out there's no Failcom'ing going on here.
ha i remember the bug in WoW that allowed druids to get their full T6 gear, maybe it was shammies, and just open a can of woopazz on ppl. That was pretty funny
No - its not big of a deal that guilds and characters have disspeared from the game.... Thats just minor issues that dont matter - specially considering that it could take days to solve this.
How much of a drama queen are you? Yes... it's shocking that something like this happened. I would hate to log on to find a char gone or a guild gone. However, no... it is not something to worry about, as i would bet good money it'll be fixed by tonight. But hey... keep screaming doom. Let me know how that works out for you. Everything you listed is a minor issue at best with a very short term solution.
I would have to agree that the OP acted like a drama queen with the title of this thread however, I don't understand peoples actions. So many are saying "what is the big deal?" I do not think you would preaching this if your characters were deleted. In the end, the problem will most likely be fixed but at what cost? This patch just gives people more reasons not to renew their subscription.
All of the bugs mentioned are what happens right before a server is about to crash. Part of playing on a high pop server. Once this happens just wait for the server to reset and everythings good to go. My servers been full since CE launch and i've seen it happen 2 times.
According to the OP, World of WarCraft is a failure because pretty much all servers were having hourly down-time, on a daily basis, for the first few months of its launch (which repeated itself in the EU release 3 months later). In addition customer support was virtually non-existent. I'm sure Blizzard would check in on this thread and laugh at the OP, but to be honest I think they're a bit too busy polishing their Ferraris.
Well, to be honest, according to the OP, pretty much all MMOs are failures since WAR is pretty much one of the, if not the, least troublesome in this regard. Most likely the OP is someone new to the MMO scene, likely joined World of WarCraft a year or more after release, and believes the game didn't have a horrible and buggy launch, and that MMOs ever launch in a perfect state. Or he's simply bitter that his personal favourite MMO is crap, and feels a need to project its failure onto new MMOs coming out. In essence - nerd rage.
Nope, they are too busy releasing Starcraft II as three different games in order to create steps to their next MMO. They are painting the new garages their next 4 Ferraris are going in.
Ka-Ching - Terran: Wings of Liberty
Ka-Ching - Zerg: Heart of the Swarm
Ka-Ching - Protoss: Legacy of the Void
Ka-Ching - Starcraft MMO
Any bets? Takers?