The only way SW: TOR will impact WoW is if current WoW subscribers actually discontinue their payment plans while they try SW: TOR. A lot of them won't, however. And that doesn't impact WoW/Blizzard at all (financially).
It may have trickle down impact on the game, though. If key players in raiding guilds decide to switch over and play SW:TOR for a while, they will disrupt the guild... and eventually, that will trickle out and impact pieces of the community (does WoW have one of those?).
Yes, I think it will. But just western players, I don't think it will be a hit in the asian market.
TOR will use Biowares nice quest system where the quests you do affect your character. It also have some of the best devs in there is. What I seen from it looks very nice.
Wow on the other hand is starting to show it's age and sooner or later a better game will come. As I see it Wow will loose many players to TOR and World of darkness online.
Most Wow players I know at least have quited more often than smokers but always got back since no other game have succeded in sucking them in as hard as Wow. But Bioware are one of the best gaming companies out there. Before have Blizzard only competed with smaller companies like SOE, Turbine, NC soft and FunCom but now other giants are starting to make MMOS.
Let's face it, Wow have had a great time but everything must end.
Bioware are kindoff Blizzards arch enemy, look on the best selling games, they do compete with eachother all the time and it is usually close. Bioware is aiming a bit more for the RPGers with games like KOTOR NWN, and BG1 & 2 while Blizz aim more to the hack and slash munchkins with games like Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft.
Blizzard will of course try to counter also so it will be a good ride that hopefully will change MMOs for the better. When Baldurs gate and Diablo came out the solo player RPGs got a huge boost and many new games come out from it. The same thing will surely happen to MMOs.
I don't believe that SWTOR will dig deeply into WOW's subscription base. Even if Blizzard looses 3% of subscriptions to the game it will hardly be noticed. The only games that it will impact are those that are of the same genre. That being science fiction. I currently have subs to both WOW and LOTR and while I am a die hard Star Wars fan and having played SWG pre NGE and post NGE for met the particular time frame that this new MMORPG takes place in doesn't appeal to me at all.
How do you think the release of SWTOR will impact WoW. Will there be less players and will SWTOR even rival WoW?
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
How do you think the release of SWTOR will impact WoW. Will there be less players and will SWTOR even rival WoW?
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
You can't just give your opinion on what he asked your opinion on? I understand what you're asking, but its his thread to ask what he likes. Just sounds like your giving him a hard time for the sake of it. if im wrong i apologize.
TOR is in many people's view the only western game to have a chance to compete on a level higher than any other western MMO besides WOW. He's just curious as to what level you think it will compete. Everyone has an opinion on it even if it is "i personally don't care". Why not just say that then?
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
How do you think the release of SWTOR will impact WoW. Will there be less players and will SWTOR even rival WoW?
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
You can't just give your opinion on what he asked your opinion on? I understand what you're asking, but its his thread to ask what he likes. Just sounds like your giving him a hard time for the sake of it. if im wrong i apologize.
TOR is in many people's view the only western game to have a chance to compete on a level higher than any other western MMO besides WOW. He's just curious as to what level you think it will compete. Everyone has an opinion on it even if it is "i personally don't care". Why not just say that then?
Yeah you are wrong and apology accepted.
I don't really care what MMO competes with what MMO because I have nothing to gain no stock options at stake.
Like yourself I have my own opinions which I am entitled to and once again I say the obvious..Who cares and what difference will it make at the end of the day?
SWTOR will have an impact, to one extent or another. There are lot of games in development, due to be released soon, and their collecive impact will certainly be felt by Blizzard. Between Aion, Fallen Earth, TOR, Star Trek, and Mortal Online, WoW is likely to start bleeding subscriptions. Will it put them out of business? Not at all. But I wouldn't be suprised to see some server consolidation in the near future.
As I have mentioned in other threads, the EU/US pop has been dropping. But Blizzard makes more money off of those customers than the 1.99 per how ever many hours like the asian players pay.
Needless to say, I see TOR taking a LOT of the 4-5 million EU/US players. The game is old. But can TOR hold players is the question. Polish needs to be great.
But I cannot see them removing the soon 7++ million asian players. Dunno if SW is that big over there, or if the game can appeal.
How do you think the release of SWTOR will impact WoW. Will there be less players and will SWTOR even rival WoW?
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
You can't just give your opinion on what he asked your opinion on? I understand what you're asking, but its his thread to ask what he likes. Just sounds like your giving him a hard time for the sake of it. if im wrong i apologize.
TOR is in many people's view the only western game to have a chance to compete on a level higher than any other western MMO besides WOW. He's just curious as to what level you think it will compete. Everyone has an opinion on it even if it is "i personally don't care". Why not just say that then?
Yeah you are wrong and apology accepted.
I don't really care what MMO competes with what MMO because I have nothing to gain no stock options at stake.
Like yourself I have my own opinions which I am entitled to and once again I say the obvious..Who cares and what difference will it make at the end of the day?
Cool, sorry for the mistake. As far as who cares or what difference it would make is irrelevent on my opinion on what level of success TOR has and As you said, thats stating the obvious. His thread, his questions. I don't care why he asked them any more than i care if Blizzard only makes a billion dollars or 2 billion. I just answered what he asked.
Again, sorry for the mistake. And you never know what could make a difference:)
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Yes, I think it will. But just western players, I don't think it will be a hit in the asian market. TOR will use Biowares nice quest system where the quests you do affect your character. It also have some of the best devs in there is. What I seen from it looks very nice. Wow on the other hand is starting to show it's age and sooner or later a better game will come. As I see it Wow will loose many players to TOR and World of darkness online. Most Wow players I know at least have quited more often than smokers but always got back since no other game have succeded in sucking them in as hard as Wow. But Bioware are one of the best gaming companies out there. Before have Blizzard only competed with smaller companies like SOE, Turbine, NC soft and FunCom but now other giants are starting to make MMOS. Let's face it, Wow have had a great time but everything must end. Bioware are kindoff Blizzards arch enemy, look on the best selling games, they do compete with eachother all the time and it is usually close. Bioware is aiming a bit more for the RPGers with games like KOTOR NWN, and BG1 & 2 while Blizz aim more to the hack and slash munchkins with games like Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft. Blizzard will of course try to counter also so it will be a good ride that hopefully will change MMOs for the better. When Baldurs gate and Diablo came out the solo player RPGs got a huge boost and many new games come out from it. The same thing will surely happen to MMOs.
Well said. That is very convincing. But then, not being a WOW hater, I never understood why WOW was such a big success in the first place. Not in that dimensions. Ok, just for the fun, lets make some very guesswork like scoring. ^^
World Hype/Known factor:
I guess no world beats Star Wars in the hype/known factor: WOW 0 - TOR 1
Many Races/Classes:
Remains to be seen with TOR, but potentially equal IMO: WOW 1 - TOR 1
Big, rich company with tons of money
Yeah Bioware IS rich, but none beats LucasArts and EA with all the funds behind them: WOW 0 - TOR 1
Experienced Devs
Neither Blizz nor Bioware had made a MMO before, but succesful games; still Bioware has made RPGs, so WOW 0 - TOR 1
Established MMO
Blizz WOW sure has the advantage to already "be there": WOW 1 - TOR 0
Graphics
tough one, but WOW does start to look old; many who leave and just go back because nothing else is there: WOW 0 - TOR 1
appeal to female gamers & family play
hard to say, but my instincts tell me WOW wont be topped here, so: WOW 1 - TOR 0
Casual Friendlyness
also hard to say, but I predict a tie: WOW 1 - TOR 1
So far the standing is *drumroll*
WOW 4 - TOR 6
hehe XD matter solved, questions all answered ^^
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I dont think any game will be the much discussed "wow killer"... the subs in wow, even after so many years, is still on top...
Before i go on, im not a wow fanboi, i dont even play the game...
i think wow will die from age... its going slowly towards the end, and everytime something new comes out, it'll take a chunk out of wow's subs.. some of those will come back, some will not.. and then it will slowly die out...
Blizz will pull the plug and then release something new.
then everyon will start talking about, why no1 is bringing something new to the table to kill Aion, MO, or some other game.
Wow I can't believe you guys are trying to guess-a-mate the impact this will have on WoW. When in fact it will be so subtle that most of you won't even see what happened. First of all, every western MMO comes with what we call a free 30-day trial. That's 30 full days to try the game before you even get charged for it. That's a 30 day grace period for WoW players. Players that Blizzard already having paying for their game.
If they cannot convince a person in 30 full days to see that their grass is greener, they will cancel before they are charged for the next month. And we all know it does not take a full 30 days for you to know if you like a game or not. If any of those WoW players experience any form of frustration when trying to enjoy their freebie month, be it the developer's fault or not,then expect to chalk up another lost subscriber. And all the while Blizzard won't even skip a beat on the way back to the bank the next month.
On the condescending remarks to WoW players:
And for all you bitter little gamers out there hoping not to occupy the same game as ex-WoW players think about what you are saying. Every current company knows that it's easier to attract people who are already playing MMOs in one form or another than to attract totally new players into the fray. Something that you few obviously do not comprehend. They are not looking to bite off players from MMOs with sub numbers of a few 300-500k. They need their OWN base of 300-500K subs and the bigger the MMO's player base you choose to cater to, the easier time you have of doing just that. In other words you don't find many remoras attached to guppies, so yes expect some similarities in gameplay experiences to the current sub king on the block. It's only natural for a triple A developer to "research" what's working and avoid what's not, hell Blizzard did it....what makes you think Bioware won't?
New players or ex-WoW players, either way you're gonna be dealing with players of all types. And you're telling me that the 1 or 2 of you here are gonna hold full investigations into the backgrounds of the players you play with JUST to find out of they've played WoW? Now you're the ones sounding mentally challenged.....
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I dont think any game will be the much discussed "wow killer"... the subs in wow, even after so many years, is still on top... Before i go on, im not a wow fanboi, i dont even play the game... i think wow will die from age... its going slowly towards the end, and everytime something new comes out, it'll take a chunk out of wow's subs.. some of those will come back, some will not.. and then it will slowly die out...
Blizz will pull the plug and then release something new. then everyon will start talking about, why no1 is bringing something new to the table to kill Aion, MO, or some other game.
History repeats itself..
While I agree that wow will die from old age. Alot of mmo's have came out since wow, all taking tiny bits of it. And then WOW announces 5 mil subs, 7 mil subs, 8 mil subs..ect. WOW is STILL growing..massively. So ganging up on wow from the competition so far has only made wow what it is. No game will kill wow with superior numbers or by stealing there customers. (any time soon)
The game that really kills WOW is the one that puts an end to its unbelievalbe growth. While the game that does this may not ever reach WOW like numbers..once WOW stops growing it will destroy itself naturally. I think TOR could be that game. Im speaking from a western audience point of view though. There will be another game out that may provide as much if not more value for the customer than WOW does. First time ever for that if it happens. WOW is number one because they're number 1 in value of the product they provide their customers.They may have competition soon, they may not.
A wow killer is a game that offers more entertainment, a higher quality, and a better overall experience, for the best price. Value as determined by your customers. In otherwords..competition is the only thing that is a WOW killer. Theres no competition for blizzard to stunt its growth atm. Thats all TOR will do IMO. But, it's the beginning. Looks like Aion may be in the east, what i think TOR could be in the west. Not a wow-killer, but a "real" alternative in terms of value. Thats why i beleive what business model they use is really important.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
The game was only announced a few months ago, the amount we know about it amounts to a drop in the bucket, and you want us to predict whether it will impact WoW? You have got to be kidding. Anyone that uses their brain knows its not possible to predict the future like that.
Oh and remember, all the games impact each other. Thats the way the industry works. Thats the way all industry works.
As for me, I loath WoW in a way thats not able to be expressed in words.
As I understand it, you can only have 1 "merc' at a time, so it''s no different than a hunter's pet. Except you can interact with them. Not game-killing.
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Ofcourse it will. The WOW diehards will always say otherwise.
I currently play WoW with some friends. I don't give a damn if it impacts WoW.
I just hope SW:TOR delivers a good MMO experience. I want to be a part of the SW universe again.
The only way SW: TOR will impact WoW is if current WoW subscribers actually discontinue their payment plans while they try SW: TOR. A lot of them won't, however. And that doesn't impact WoW/Blizzard at all (financially).
It may have trickle down impact on the game, though. If key players in raiding guilds decide to switch over and play SW:TOR for a while, they will disrupt the guild... and eventually, that will trickle out and impact pieces of the community (does WoW have one of those?).
Yes, I think it will. But just western players, I don't think it will be a hit in the asian market.
TOR will use Biowares nice quest system where the quests you do affect your character. It also have some of the best devs in there is. What I seen from it looks very nice.
Wow on the other hand is starting to show it's age and sooner or later a better game will come. As I see it Wow will loose many players to TOR and World of darkness online.
Most Wow players I know at least have quited more often than smokers but always got back since no other game have succeded in sucking them in as hard as Wow. But Bioware are one of the best gaming companies out there. Before have Blizzard only competed with smaller companies like SOE, Turbine, NC soft and FunCom but now other giants are starting to make MMOS.
Let's face it, Wow have had a great time but everything must end.
Bioware are kindoff Blizzards arch enemy, look on the best selling games, they do compete with eachother all the time and it is usually close. Bioware is aiming a bit more for the RPGers with games like KOTOR NWN, and BG1 & 2 while Blizz aim more to the hack and slash munchkins with games like Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft.
Blizzard will of course try to counter also so it will be a good ride that hopefully will change MMOs for the better. When Baldurs gate and Diablo came out the solo player RPGs got a huge boost and many new games come out from it. The same thing will surely happen to MMOs.
I don't believe that SWTOR will dig deeply into WOW's subscription base. Even if Blizzard looses 3% of subscriptions to the game it will hardly be noticed. The only games that it will impact are those that are of the same genre. That being science fiction. I currently have subs to both WOW and LOTR and while I am a die hard Star Wars fan and having played SWG pre NGE and post NGE for met the particular time frame that this new MMORPG takes place in doesn't appeal to me at all.
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
You can't just give your opinion on what he asked your opinion on? I understand what you're asking, but its his thread to ask what he likes. Just sounds like your giving him a hard time for the sake of it. if im wrong i apologize.
TOR is in many people's view the only western game to have a chance to compete on a level higher than any other western MMO besides WOW. He's just curious as to what level you think it will compete. Everyone has an opinion on it even if it is "i personally don't care". Why not just say that then?
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
You can't just give your opinion on what he asked your opinion on? I understand what you're asking, but its his thread to ask what he likes. Just sounds like your giving him a hard time for the sake of it. if im wrong i apologize.
TOR is in many people's view the only western game to have a chance to compete on a level higher than any other western MMO besides WOW. He's just curious as to what level you think it will compete. Everyone has an opinion on it even if it is "i personally don't care". Why not just say that then?
Yeah you are wrong and apology accepted.
I don't really care what MMO competes with what MMO because I have nothing to gain no stock options at stake.
Like yourself I have my own opinions which I am entitled to and once again I say the obvious..Who cares and what difference will it make at the end of the day?
It is to be hoped, but lets wait until E3.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
SWTOR will have an impact, to one extent or another. There are lot of games in development, due to be released soon, and their collecive impact will certainly be felt by Blizzard. Between Aion, Fallen Earth, TOR, Star Trek, and Mortal Online, WoW is likely to start bleeding subscriptions. Will it put them out of business? Not at all. But I wouldn't be suprised to see some server consolidation in the near future.
I could completely wrong, here... it's realy hard to tell.
EDIT:
madeux you have a good point about it bleeding subs to other MMOs.
In time people will spead out.
To an extent.
As I have mentioned in other threads, the EU/US pop has been dropping. But Blizzard makes more money off of those customers than the 1.99 per how ever many hours like the asian players pay.
Needless to say, I see TOR taking a LOT of the 4-5 million EU/US players. The game is old. But can TOR hold players is the question. Polish needs to be great.
But I cannot see them removing the soon 7++ million asian players. Dunno if SW is that big over there, or if the game can appeal.
Who cares? In all honesty, Are you the CEO for either company? Then why should you care? Even if you had your reasons and you did care what could you do about it?
You can't just give your opinion on what he asked your opinion on? I understand what you're asking, but its his thread to ask what he likes. Just sounds like your giving him a hard time for the sake of it. if im wrong i apologize.
TOR is in many people's view the only western game to have a chance to compete on a level higher than any other western MMO besides WOW. He's just curious as to what level you think it will compete. Everyone has an opinion on it even if it is "i personally don't care". Why not just say that then?
Yeah you are wrong and apology accepted.
I don't really care what MMO competes with what MMO because I have nothing to gain no stock options at stake.
Like yourself I have my own opinions which I am entitled to and once again I say the obvious..Who cares and what difference will it make at the end of the day?
Cool, sorry for the mistake. As far as who cares or what difference it would make is irrelevent on my opinion on what level of success TOR has and As you said, thats stating the obvious. His thread, his questions. I don't care why he asked them any more than i care if Blizzard only makes a billion dollars or 2 billion. I just answered what he asked.
Again, sorry for the mistake. And you never know what could make a difference:)
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Well said. That is very convincing. But then, not being a WOW hater, I never understood why WOW was such a big success in the first place. Not in that dimensions. Ok, just for the fun, lets make some very guesswork like scoring. ^^
World Hype/Known factor:
I guess no world beats Star Wars in the hype/known factor: WOW 0 - TOR 1
Many Races/Classes:
Remains to be seen with TOR, but potentially equal IMO: WOW 1 - TOR 1
Big, rich company with tons of money
Yeah Bioware IS rich, but none beats LucasArts and EA with all the funds behind them: WOW 0 - TOR 1
Experienced Devs
Neither Blizz nor Bioware had made a MMO before, but succesful games; still Bioware has made RPGs, so WOW 0 - TOR 1
Established MMO
Blizz WOW sure has the advantage to already "be there": WOW 1 - TOR 0
Graphics
tough one, but WOW does start to look old; many who leave and just go back because nothing else is there: WOW 0 - TOR 1
appeal to female gamers & family play
hard to say, but my instincts tell me WOW wont be topped here, so: WOW 1 - TOR 0
Casual Friendlyness
also hard to say, but I predict a tie: WOW 1 - TOR 1
So far the standing is *drumroll*
WOW 4 - TOR 6
hehe XD matter solved, questions all answered ^^
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I dont think any game will be the much discussed "wow killer"... the subs in wow, even after so many years, is still on top...
Before i go on, im not a wow fanboi, i dont even play the game...
i think wow will die from age... its going slowly towards the end, and everytime something new comes out, it'll take a chunk out of wow's subs.. some of those will come back, some will not.. and then it will slowly die out...
Blizz will pull the plug and then release something new.
then everyon will start talking about, why no1 is bringing something new to the table to kill Aion, MO, or some other game.
History repeats itself..
On the impact of WoW subs:
Wow I can't believe you guys are trying to guess-a-mate the impact this will have on WoW. When in fact it will be so subtle that most of you won't even see what happened. First of all, every western MMO comes with what we call a free 30-day trial. That's 30 full days to try the game before you even get charged for it. That's a 30 day grace period for WoW players. Players that Blizzard already having paying for their game.
If they cannot convince a person in 30 full days to see that their grass is greener, they will cancel before they are charged for the next month. And we all know it does not take a full 30 days for you to know if you like a game or not. If any of those WoW players experience any form of frustration when trying to enjoy their freebie month, be it the developer's fault or not,then expect to chalk up another lost subscriber. And all the while Blizzard won't even skip a beat on the way back to the bank the next month.
On the condescending remarks to WoW players:
And for all you bitter little gamers out there hoping not to occupy the same game as ex-WoW players think about what you are saying. Every current company knows that it's easier to attract people who are already playing MMOs in one form or another than to attract totally new players into the fray. Something that you few obviously do not comprehend. They are not looking to bite off players from MMOs with sub numbers of a few 300-500k. They need their OWN base of 300-500K subs and the bigger the MMO's player base you choose to cater to, the easier time you have of doing just that. In other words you don't find many remoras attached to guppies, so yes expect some similarities in gameplay experiences to the current sub king on the block. It's only natural for a triple A developer to "research" what's working and avoid what's not, hell Blizzard did it....what makes you think Bioware won't?
New players or ex-WoW players, either way you're gonna be dealing with players of all types. And you're telling me that the 1 or 2 of you here are gonna hold full investigations into the backgrounds of the players you play with JUST to find out of they've played WoW? Now you're the ones sounding mentally challenged.....
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Who cares?
A game doesn't have to "impact WoW" to be succesful.
Your poll was incomplete... it's missing "I don't care" and "it's not important in the grand scheme of things"...
This ^
Either it will ... or ... it wont
While I agree that wow will die from old age. Alot of mmo's have came out since wow, all taking tiny bits of it. And then WOW announces 5 mil subs, 7 mil subs, 8 mil subs..ect. WOW is STILL growing..massively. So ganging up on wow from the competition so far has only made wow what it is. No game will kill wow with superior numbers or by stealing there customers. (any time soon)
The game that really kills WOW is the one that puts an end to its unbelievalbe growth. While the game that does this may not ever reach WOW like numbers..once WOW stops growing it will destroy itself naturally. I think TOR could be that game. Im speaking from a western audience point of view though. There will be another game out that may provide as much if not more value for the customer than WOW does. First time ever for that if it happens. WOW is number one because they're number 1 in value of the product they provide their customers.They may have competition soon, they may not.
A wow killer is a game that offers more entertainment, a higher quality, and a better overall experience, for the best price. Value as determined by your customers. In otherwords..competition is the only thing that is a WOW killer. Theres no competition for blizzard to stunt its growth atm. Thats all TOR will do IMO. But, it's the beginning. Looks like Aion may be in the east, what i think TOR could be in the west. Not a wow-killer, but a "real" alternative in terms of value. Thats why i beleive what business model they use is really important.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I agree with those that are saying it does not matter if this game can impact World of Warcraft.
At this point I can speak for myself when I say I just hope it would successful, regardless if it is better than this game or that.
I know a lot of friends both online and off that are looking for a permanent escape from World of Warcraft. Here's to hoping this is it.
The game was only announced a few months ago, the amount we know about it amounts to a drop in the bucket, and you want us to predict whether it will impact WoW? You have got to be kidding. Anyone that uses their brain knows its not possible to predict the future like that.
Oh and remember, all the games impact each other. Thats the way the industry works. Thats the way all industry works.
As for me, I loath WoW in a way thats not able to be expressed in words.
This is a really really generic statement.
unless the get rid of the mercs that help you that are in the game as of now i see a fail game incoming.
As I understand it, you can only have 1 "merc' at a time, so it''s no different than a hunter's pet. Except you can interact with them. Not game-killing.