i seriously doubt they have 1 million active subs. I do think they will surpass that mark though within the next 6 months or so. btw using xfire as a reference to measure the warhammer population is silly considering there are probably alot of gamers like myself that see no use for apps like that.
xfire doesnt mean much majority of players dont use it. Most just stick to MSN. But seriously lets end this stupid thread the OP is just a troll and well it worked and got alot of people aggitated
X-Fire numbers don't mean shit, What like 1/5th of the population might even use that? I don't know anyone who uses X-Fire.
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
X-Fire numbers don't mean shit, What like 1/5th of the population might even use that? I don't know anyone who uses X-Fire.
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
Newhopes I was gonan say the same thing but you beat me to it. These people dont get it. You should stop trying to explain it to them they will never get it
I think the OP is full of it. While, IMO, WAR will, once bugs etc are smoothed out, be the best MMORPG out on the market currently, at least to me, I think it's highly unrealistic that so many players would continue to subscribe to a newly-released MMO, even with a launch as smooth as WAR's. So unless the OP can provide a link, I'll believe the current subscribers is somewhere between 400k and 600k. I've seen a lot of lying on this board trying to make WAR somehow look bad, but I'm going to say that in this case the OP is lying to make WAR seem more successful than it is.
It's a lie like I already said. He says it excludes people out of their free month. WAR did *not* have 1 million users a week after they released so the OP is a fake, end of story.
I could *care* less about whether does good or bad but I do find numbers interesting therefor people posting fake numbers are just sad, and this is fake.
I don't really get the point of this thread, is the OP a total fanboi or a hater?
There is no chanse that WAR have 1 million paying customers, I havn't even heard that they sold 1M boxes yet, that would be possible however and I might have missed it.
Mark was not clear with exactly how many players continued playing when the free month stopped but in best case it might be 80% then...
80% of less than a million is never a million. In best case it is 750K but even 500K is not bad for an MMO after a month. Declaring that WAR is the next Wow or a complete and dying failure at this point is both stupid however.
WAR is doing ok right now but outragous lying won't make anyone buy it or stop playing it either. I wish WAR all the luck in the future, it will be very intresting to see where the game stands in 5 more months.
I'd call the comment from MJ about concurrency only dropping 3% a smoke screen. The concurrency has no relevance in this case, as - like some already said - the people who didn't subscribe after the free month already stopped playing. Presenting such an irrelevant number as great news has me worried about what the real numbers show.
I hope the numbers are good though. I really hope WAR does very well. But this kind of comment from the CEO makes me think it unfortunately doesn't. :-(
I'd call the comment from MJ about concurrency only dropping 3% a smoke screen. The concurrency has no relevance in this case, as - like some already said - the people who didn't subscribe after the free month already stopped playing. Presenting such an irrelevant number as great news has me worried about what the real numbers show. I hope the numbers are good though. I really hope WAR does very well. But this kind of comment from the CEO makes me think it unfortunately doesn't. :-(
Thats one of the things that bugs me about MJ.. He is very deceitful. Not as much as AOC... but just in the way he twists things.
1. He says they can't give subscriber information because of being a publicly traded company - This is false.. Blizzard is a publicly traded company and in July gave the 10.7M number and in Jan gave the 10.0 number. He then gives stuff like the 3% number and lets the reader 'assume' that retention rate was really high.
2. He chooses to give the numbers that aren't very descriptive - He gave 750k accounts created, which deceptively includes people who preordered, created an account, but never bought the game. Why not give total game sales? Other companies have done it and it must be a fairly easy number for them to get Blizzard announced they sold 2.4M copies of BC in one day only a few days later. Instead, MJ used 'accounts created' and implies it means 'games sold'.
At this point, Xfire and Amazon sales charts are probably more accurate then the spin that MJ is using. The point is, if he had good numbers, he would use them. The fact that he is using vague or misleading numbers is an indication that the real numbers (box sales, subscribers) aren't very good.
i would think one million is a fair estimation of what the average monthly subscriber base is or will be . personally i think once theres a free trial and people give it a go and find out what sheer fun this game is it will rise .
X-Fire numbers don't mean shit, What like 1/5th of the population might even use that? I don't know anyone who uses X-Fire.
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
xfire does not IMO accurately represent a fair portion of the playerbase. I have been playing MMOs since 1999 -- I have never used it, no one I know IRL who games has used it.
Regardless of what the actual subscriber numbers are (I could care less.. it seems only the trolls and the people who want the game to fail care), it's OBVIOUS that the game is doing very well... contrary to the handful of doomsdayers and trolls who wish the game to not be a success.
Guess they'll have to find some other game to troll.
_________________________________ JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
It was just announced that WAR has 1 million CURRENT SUBSCRIBERS. This does not include any canceled/banned accounts or accounts in their first free month. This only includes accounts which have been subscribed after their free month and are as of the announcement, still active.
well seeing as you are still a CURRENT SUBSCRIBER until your 30days are up from when you pay you would still be included. Because im still subscribed but i did cancel so it wont renew after this 1 payable 30 days.
It was just announced that WAR has 1 million CURRENT SUBSCRIBERS. This does not include any canceled/banned accounts or accounts in their first free month. This only includes accounts which have been subscribed after their free month and are as of the announcement, still active.
well seeing as you are still a CURRENT SUBSCRIBER until your 30days are up from when you pay you would still be included. Because im still subscribed but i did cancel so it wont renew after this 1 payable 30 days.
Nope, it states people in their free month aren't included. That's why the OP is full of it ^^
X-Fire numbers don't mean shit, What like 1/5th of the population might even use that? I don't know anyone who uses X-Fire.
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
If polls were right, EVER, we'd have John Kerry as a president right now.
Xfire is bullshit, and the people that follow it's numbers are stupid.
The OP is making crap up. Complete troll post...move along nothing to see here.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
i have strong doubts about those figures. from my experience people are trying the game, playing the free month and thats it.
Most wont subscribe it due to several factors:
Nothing to do once you reach 40.. after a while it gets boring to repeat 50 times per day the same good ol scenario to grind renown.
Open rvr borked, game totally dest biased so it eventually gets frustating for people playing order and the 'light'.
Crafting is a joke.
Missing classes.
etc.
So i doubt WAR will even pass 200k subs after first free month.
PLUS Fallout 3 is there.. and i bet many will spend one or 2 months playing Fallout 3 while they get new classes and fix the bugs in WAR.
PS: About Xfire.. Xfire is actually good to measure the evolution of a games population simply cos in every game theres a % of gamers using xfire. that % reflects the population on the game too since the number can be generalized keeping propotions. So yes.. Xfire is a good indicator of how a game is evolving in terms of active players.
X-Fire numbers don't mean shit, What like 1/5th of the population might even use that? I don't know anyone who uses X-Fire.
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
xfire does not IMO accurately represent a fair portion of the playerbase. I have been playing MMOs since 1999 -- I have never used it, no one I know IRL who games has used it.
Just because you don't use xfire dosen't mean other people don't ,I'am finding it's been fairly accurate so far if we go by the stats the highest number of users I can remember was 12500 compare that with todays 9000 thats a drop of around 27% which is fairly normal for a mmorpg after it's frist month, if you take that 27% off the 750k you'll come up with around 545k players which isn't bad but like I said before it's not an exact science .
The time people played is also going down a fair bit but thats to be expected people naturally play less as the newness of the game wears off. But if the numbers keep droping at the rate they have been it could pose a risk to the games large scale furture.
hey guys aliens landed in boston today and are taking pics
no, but seriously - i love WAR but please don't announce things that are as truthful as elvis being alive...
like previous posters have said - when it does hit the 1 mill sub numbers (which it will) we will be hearing a lot about that, and i am sure it will be on the top new articles on this site's front page...
ok - Xfire do not gives us any insight into total account created, but it gives a decent insight into the games relations between each other in the meaning of popularity - because even if only 0.5% of population are using it there is no reason why players of one title will use it more then the other. And like in every opinion pool - the more ppl participate, the more true the outcome is.
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i seriously doubt they have 1 million active subs. I do think they will surpass that mark though within the next 6 months or so. btw using xfire as a reference to measure the warhammer population is silly considering there are probably alot of gamers like myself that see no use for apps like that.
X-Fire numbers don't mean shit, What like 1/5th of the population might even use that? I don't know anyone who uses X-Fire.
xfire doesnt mean much majority of players dont use it. Most just stick to MSN. But seriously lets end this stupid thread the OP is just a troll and well it worked and got alot of people aggitated
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
Newhopes I was gonan say the same thing but you beat me to it. These people dont get it. You should stop trying to explain it to them they will never get it
lol xfire
I think the OP is full of it. While, IMO, WAR will, once bugs etc are smoothed out, be the best MMORPG out on the market currently, at least to me, I think it's highly unrealistic that so many players would continue to subscribe to a newly-released MMO, even with a launch as smooth as WAR's. So unless the OP can provide a link, I'll believe the current subscribers is somewhere between 400k and 600k. I've seen a lot of lying on this board trying to make WAR somehow look bad, but I'm going to say that in this case the OP is lying to make WAR seem more successful than it is.
It's a lie like I already said. He says it excludes people out of their free month. WAR did *not* have 1 million users a week after they released so the OP is a fake, end of story.
I could *care* less about whether does good or bad but I do find numbers interesting therefor people posting fake numbers are just sad, and this is fake.
I don't really get the point of this thread, is the OP a total fanboi or a hater?
There is no chanse that WAR have 1 million paying customers, I havn't even heard that they sold 1M boxes yet, that would be possible however and I might have missed it.
Mark was not clear with exactly how many players continued playing when the free month stopped but in best case it might be 80% then...
80% of less than a million is never a million. In best case it is 750K but even 500K is not bad for an MMO after a month. Declaring that WAR is the next Wow or a complete and dying failure at this point is both stupid however.
WAR is doing ok right now but outragous lying won't make anyone buy it or stop playing it either. I wish WAR all the luck in the future, it will be very intresting to see where the game stands in 5 more months.
I'd call the comment from MJ about concurrency only dropping 3% a smoke screen. The concurrency has no relevance in this case, as - like some already said - the people who didn't subscribe after the free month already stopped playing. Presenting such an irrelevant number as great news has me worried about what the real numbers show.
I hope the numbers are good though. I really hope WAR does very well. But this kind of comment from the CEO makes me think it unfortunately doesn't. :-(
If I had to take a guess, I would say WAR is around 400k players at the moment...
He's from SWG. Enough Said!
Thats one of the things that bugs me about MJ.. He is very deceitful. Not as much as AOC... but just in the way he twists things.
1. He says they can't give subscriber information because of being a publicly traded company - This is false.. Blizzard is a publicly traded company and in July gave the 10.7M number and in Jan gave the 10.0 number. He then gives stuff like the 3% number and lets the reader 'assume' that retention rate was really high.
2. He chooses to give the numbers that aren't very descriptive - He gave 750k accounts created, which deceptively includes people who preordered, created an account, but never bought the game. Why not give total game sales? Other companies have done it and it must be a fairly easy number for them to get Blizzard announced they sold 2.4M copies of BC in one day only a few days later. Instead, MJ used 'accounts created' and implies it means 'games sold'.
At this point, Xfire and Amazon sales charts are probably more accurate then the spin that MJ is using. The point is, if he had good numbers, he would use them. The fact that he is using vague or misleading numbers is an indication that the real numbers (box sales, subscribers) aren't very good.
i would think one million is a fair estimation of what the average monthly subscriber base is or will be . personally i think once theres a free trial and people give it a go and find out what sheer fun this game is it will rise .
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
xfire does not IMO accurately represent a fair portion of the playerbase. I have been playing MMOs since 1999 -- I have never used it, no one I know IRL who games has used it.
Regardless of what the actual subscriber numbers are (I could care less.. it seems only the trolls and the people who want the game to fail care), it's OBVIOUS that the game is doing very well... contrary to the handful of doomsdayers and trolls who wish the game to not be a success.
Guess they'll have to find some other game to troll.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
well seeing as you are still a CURRENT SUBSCRIBER until your 30days are up from when you pay you would still be included. Because im still subscribed but i did cancel so it wont renew after this 1 payable 30 days.
well seeing as you are still a CURRENT SUBSCRIBER until your 30days are up from when you pay you would still be included. Because im still subscribed but i did cancel so it wont renew after this 1 payable 30 days.
Nope, it states people in their free month aren't included. That's why the OP is full of it ^^
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
If polls were right, EVER, we'd have John Kerry as a president right now.
Xfire is bullshit, and the people that follow it's numbers are stupid.
The OP is making crap up. Complete troll post...move along nothing to see here.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
i have strong doubts about those figures. from my experience people are trying the game, playing the free month and thats it.
Most wont subscribe it due to several factors:
Nothing to do once you reach 40.. after a while it gets boring to repeat 50 times per day the same good ol scenario to grind renown.
Open rvr borked, game totally dest biased so it eventually gets frustating for people playing order and the 'light'.
Crafting is a joke.
Missing classes.
etc.
So i doubt WAR will even pass 200k subs after first free month.
PLUS Fallout 3 is there.. and i bet many will spend one or 2 months playing Fallout 3 while they get new classes and fix the bugs in WAR.
PS: About Xfire.. Xfire is actually good to measure the evolution of a games population simply cos in every game theres a % of gamers using xfire. that % reflects the population on the game too since the number can be generalized keeping propotions. So yes.. Xfire is a good indicator of how a game is evolving in terms of active players.
Xfire, are you serious?.. excuse me while I snort incredulously at your 'dose of reality'
To be fair, his Xfire stats provide a lot more proof/insight than the OP's statement ^^
I always laugh at people who say xfire doesn't mean anything.How the hell do you think they do polls for elections and things like that do you thing they go around and ask everyone in the country how they're going to vote, of course they don't do that they ask a small number of people often less than 0.01% of the population what there going to do and estimate the results from that small cross section of people and do you know what they get pretty damn close to the results 9 time out of 10.
Xfire works pretty much the same way as the polls it may not be a exact science but it can be used to see general trends in games.
xfire does not IMO accurately represent a fair portion of the playerbase. I have been playing MMOs since 1999 -- I have never used it, no one I know IRL who games has used it.
Just because you don't use xfire dosen't mean other people don't ,I'am finding it's been fairly accurate so far if we go by the stats the highest number of users I can remember was 12500 compare that with todays 9000 thats a drop of around 27% which is fairly normal for a mmorpg after it's frist month, if you take that 27% off the 750k you'll come up with around 545k players which isn't bad but like I said before it's not an exact science .
The time people played is also going down a fair bit but thats to be expected people naturally play less as the newness of the game wears off. But if the numbers keep droping at the rate they have been it could pose a risk to the games large scale furture.
hey guys aliens landed in boston today and are taking pics
no, but seriously - i love WAR but please don't announce things that are as truthful as elvis being alive...
like previous posters have said - when it does hit the 1 mill sub numbers (which it will) we will be hearing a lot about that, and i am sure it will be on the top new articles on this site's front page...
I play a lot of games...
ok - Xfire do not gives us any insight into total account created, but it gives a decent insight into the games relations between each other in the meaning of popularity - because even if only 0.5% of population are using it there is no reason why players of one title will use it more then the other. And like in every opinion pool - the more ppl participate, the more true the outcome is.