why do people keep counting eve as a mmorpg? interesting online game yes, but we dont count every online game as a mmorpg (a tale in the desert III for example). the whole acronym mmorpg is completely stupid when you think about it. i play all sorts of games and if they would put out a DEEP innovative online rpg (sci-fi all the better) i will play it, if for no other reason than to talk crap about it. that doesnt happen though...oh yay more elf hunters...how very original. the fact is the mmorpg's cant keep up with their semi-online or offline contemporaries as far as immersion, gameplay, PLOT, or character development. they are just kind of floundering, minimal progress is being made to the genre (where is a mmo Crysis though i hate that game too, shit where is a mmo Portal). i think people post here under the misconception that devs read the posts and gives a rats ass. personally i do it to try and promote logic and reasoning in making decisions as to how large amounts of free time will be spent, and if you let the fanboys do all the talking the world becomes an all too agreeable place.
Counting Eve as an MMO, well let's check it out:
MM is for massively mutliplayer. Is Eve full of hundreds of thousands of people? Well, yes, so I guess it passes the MM test.
O is for online. That settles it for me personally.
As for devs reading these posts. Some do in fact, and I've received correspondence from them via other posts or PMs. So yeah, I know some devs read these threads. Also lawyers and MMO community managers.
I've received PMs, posts, and invitations to PMs from all the above.
Either MMO subscription statistics is either a new MMO that nobody told me about or hating on every single title out there is the new cool thing to do.
Does anybody here play any game... at all..? Pacman? Anything?
I'm 2 seconds away from taking a loan outta the bank and making a MMO that all you do is bash on all other MMOs and point out their highs and lows in subscription numbers. I'm going to be a millionaire over night cause thats clearly where it's at this days.
Would that be Un-WoW clone/ sandbox enough for you all?
I actually like a lot of MMO, just don't have the time to play them all. Can't say I really hate any game, the one I thought was most boring was city of heroes, not sure why. I really doesn't hate it either.
Can't see the point of hating a game anyways, even though I can't love every game.
MMOs are my favorite games too play I will try any MMO once... but i've been playing MMO sense around 99 so im a picky customer. I've seen it all and done it probably 1000x lol my problem is im just bored with the current MMOs they all are the same too me some have a few better feature but nothing that makes them really stand out too me like they did back in the day.
After maxing out characters on WoW, LOTRO & DAOC i've really tired of those kinda mmos so I rag on them and mostly give negative feedback to whatever they are trying to do because frankly it ain't good enough they are taking the same ball and painting it a different color and saying here is something tottaly new and never done before! take the ball and run with it! no thank you sir. untill you can come up with something thats worth a damn im gonna negative feedback you untill you come out with something that's really new and emproved and has more gameplay.
Take Warhammer online and age of conan they are newer MMO but they didn't do shit with there MMOs to make them any different then the rest they just put there own classes and questing in the game and sold the game saying all these great things they have done with the game thats gonna be the next big thing. I compare everything too WoW because it sets the genre for the current MMO and untill someone can give me something better im gonna throw up WOW and kick there MMO untill I get what I want. Right now im waiting on DFO it seems to be the only MMO that may be able to feed my hungar for a good MMO or half way decent on atleast.
Yeah I like mmos but lets face it, for the past 2 years mmos have been an utter disappointment. The last real mmo I played was FFXI (played it for 2 years) and that was 3 years ago. I tried AOC, Lotro and WAR and all have only captured my attention for 2 months, if that and its cancel subcription time. I played WOW for 6 months and I left to play Guild Wars (playing for 3 years).
Honestly, I am tired of paying monthly fees to companies who rehash someone else's ideas and concepts just to make a quick buck. Yes I know it is their job to make money but for pete's sake for the price they charge us for the box and the monthly fee give us something worth playing that actually works!
There are a few current MMOs that I will give some respect/credit to, but for the most part the genre is pretty stale right now. Not much ambition in any of these games. They're just safe bets that stick to the same old formulas, only now they're more watered-down and "accessible".
I have a fairly good idea of what will keep me entertained (for more than 2 months) and until I see that, I won't even bother picking up a box or down loading a trial.
Really, I've always been more interested in the potential of the genre than anything else. And honestly, the potential is still there, we just need some one to pull it off.
Right now i'm playing Eve (if you want something different - well, there it is). Plan on trying Aion when it comes out. I played WoW for years but I lost interest with the BC expansion and the community.. well.. yeah...
2. Safari hunting with me shooting and my buddy driving! (Neocron)
3. Looking for Obi one's house! (SWG)
4. Taking the first trip too the Undercity! (Guess which MMO).
5. Mining my first asteroid.(EVE)
In conculsion, these game's where all inventive in some way. They where all orginal even if WOW did not think of it first. I like MMO's, just not the clones we are seeing today. Since WOW was a hit dev's through out the play book. Looking foward to earthrise, fallen earth, and startrek online> yes all sci-fi! But give me fun and community and I will even play Darkfall if it offers something new.
Either MMO subscription statistics is either a new MMO that nobody told me about or hating on every single title out there is the new cool thing to do.
Does anybody here play any game... at all..? Pacman? Anything?
I'm 2 seconds away from taking a loan outta the bank and making a MMO that all you do is bash on all other MMOs and point out their highs and lows in subscription numbers. I'm going to be a millionaire over night cause thats clearly where it's at this days.
Would that be Un-WoW clone/ sandbox enough for you all?
I don't see the reason to be so judgemental.
Yes people from this forum play MMO, no not everyone. There's people who have never even played an MMO here and will start their first MMO and are asking for advice.
There's also players who have stopped playing MMO and will post their delusion and dissapointments.
There's a good amount of people on the OT forum who don't play MMO atm and even recommend single player games to each other they like.
Not everyone should like MMO to post here, and luckily not everyone does, because discussions are more interesting with differnt point of views.
not any of the new ones no ... its sad that the best MMO is still EQ1 and that was developed so many years ago . if you say otherwise you haven't played it or couldn't "hack it" in EQ1.
I agree on that... I mean it may had the downsides of terrible naked corpse runs, times of sitting around forever LFG and times when you litterally LOSE your corpse cause you have no clue exactly where you died.
/ooc Has anyone seen my corpse?
Oddly enough it was those same things that made me love EQ1 so much. You really felt in the world and eveything was scary. In a lot situations for many classes an even con mob would kick your face in 1v1. Back in the old days that is, no twink, no maps etc.. It was great.
I remember when I first started with some friends and we were grouping in crushbone, pure noobs. If we pulled 1 extra mob or pulled a Legionaire we all would take off running to the zone lines screaming for our lives.. Good times..
I really and truly miss that game.
If they would start a classic server, up to Vellious, no further, I would sign up in a heartbeat.
The original EQ was so far and away a better game than any MMO since... it is really a comment on how pathetic developers are these days.
Either MMO subscription statistics is either a new MMO that nobody told me about or hating on every single title out there is the new cool thing to do.
Does anybody here play any game... at all..? Pacman? Anything?
I'm 2 seconds away from taking a loan outta the bank and making a MMO that all you do is bash on all other MMOs and point out their highs and lows in subscription numbers. I'm going to be a millionaire over night cause thats clearly where it's at this days.
Would that be Un-WoW clone/ sandbox enough for you all?
Most of us love what MMO's used to be, and despise what MMO's have become. This is sort of like the horror film genre. There used to be some pretty cool horror films, but now the stuff that's cranked out is filled with 2-dimensional 20-nothing characters that no one can really care about.
What both MMO's and horror films lost was the sense of fear. You have to care about your character and there must be an element of suspense and threat evident. If not, then boredom and detachment set in.
I'll give you some MMO examples of comparison gameplay, both involving running through a zone filled with tough creatures that can kill you:
Everquest: Running through West Karanas at night when the high-level werewolf is loose. You can get lost, you can die, and if the latter happens you lose a bar of experience and are tasked with recovering your corpse (i.e., going back to where you died) or of losing your items.
A truly heartpounding and exciting experience.
World of Warcraft: Running through the Burning steppes with all sorts of high level elementals and golems shambling about. You can die and... you suddenly have the option to release at the encampment you were running to anyway in order to link a flightpath. No experience loss, minimal equipment repair bill. Dying actually saved you time.
This is dull.
Now, if Everquest were as updated as WOW is, in terms of graphics and smoothness of gameplay, and if it didn't have a moon and POK, there would be absolutely no contest on which game to play.
What WOW brought to the genre was polish. What it left behind was the fun.
I use to love MMO's but now they are all the same and tbh i just cant stand them anymore. Only MMO i have played and enjoyed every second on it was FFXI which right now i plan to play again since there are no other games worth my time and effort. Right now all i do is play PS3 since again there are no MMO's worth playing anymore.
This is just my opinion if you don't like it too bad!
yeah i like MMOs .... i play the ones i like and dont bother criticising other mmorpgs because, im not exclusively playing them. There really isnt anything like playing a good rpg like fallout 3 or fable 2 to relaxe from grinds of MMORPGs.
Playing: EVE Online Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2 KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -
Most people on this site (or at least the vocal community) are disgruntled people who had a love for an older mmo that has since evolved or changed and don't like the direction the genre is going. So yes, they like MMO's, they just don't like the trend mmo's are going in and feel the need to justify that dislike and their disgruntled behavior.
There are also some people who had false expectations about what some games were going to be like upon release because of mmo developers trend of not finishing games before releasing it and feel compelled to share this rather shocking discovery with everyone else who probably knew this already or came to this discovery at the same time.
Then there's people who actually like current mmo's and the state they're in/going to be in, they're also part-time masochists.
Compare any MMO to a AAA single player rpg title such as Fallout 3, the only thing an MMO has got going for it is the social/player competition aspect, basically its only real appeal is that its online. If you compare the game mechanics to any modern sp-rpg you'll soon realise its a steaming pile of shit.
The problem is that todays MMOs just don't freakin cut it anymore, they're falling behind. AoC had a great chance, but Funcom fucked that well and truly. Just look at WAR, the game woulda been great 5 years ago.
People want some innovation already, there is a massive market of bored WoW players looking for something new. Scrap bloody levels, and make the game PLAYER-RUN, make a game thats like EvE but has more appeal and isn't boring as fuck. Anyhoo I'm rambling, it will be at least another 5 years before such a MMO will release, in the meantime people will bitch and moan at the drivel that we have at the moment.
I love MMOs, they are pretty much the only video games I play anymore. I played EQ2 for years, the after a brief dalliance with AoC, I played stand alone PC games for a month until Warhammer came out which I am still subscribed to now.
Usually I prefer the MMOs where you can buy your own house & fill it with junk, but Warhammer doesn't have any of that & the community is a bit on the quiet side which is slightly disappointing as I like in-game chat. I have joined a guild which helps a bit, but the heavy PvP & Grouping emphasis probably just means people are too busy killing things to talk & it has to be said that the constant state of panic in scenarios is a lot of fun.
I will see how it goes though, there aren't many new games on the horizon that look that interesting enough to make me switch again apart from maybe Stargate. There are a couple I will probably try just for the free trial out of curiousity & I might be pleasantly surprised who knows.
Whilst it is great to read others opinions about MMOs on forums, there definitely is no substitute for trying things out for yourself. Let's face it, MMOs are a cheap form of entertainment so if you think you might like something, why not take a chance. Even a bad MMO still has that thrill of exploring new territory for a short time, unless performance issues make it completely unplayable that is.
I love the sheer variety of MMOs & am looking forward to visiting many more new worlds in the future.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
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Counting Eve as an MMO, well let's check it out:
MM is for massively mutliplayer. Is Eve full of hundreds of thousands of people? Well, yes, so I guess it passes the MM test.
O is for online. That settles it for me personally.
As for devs reading these posts. Some do in fact, and I've received correspondence from them via other posts or PMs. So yeah, I know some devs read these threads. Also lawyers and MMO community managers.
I've received PMs, posts, and invitations to PMs from all the above.
I actually like a lot of MMO, just don't have the time to play them all. Can't say I really hate any game, the one I thought was most boring was city of heroes, not sure why. I really doesn't hate it either.
Can't see the point of hating a game anyways, even though I can't love every game.
MMOs are my favorite games too play I will try any MMO once... but i've been playing MMO sense around 99 so im a picky customer. I've seen it all and done it probably 1000x lol my problem is im just bored with the current MMOs they all are the same too me some have a few better feature but nothing that makes them really stand out too me like they did back in the day.
After maxing out characters on WoW, LOTRO & DAOC i've really tired of those kinda mmos so I rag on them and mostly give negative feedback to whatever they are trying to do because frankly it ain't good enough they are taking the same ball and painting it a different color and saying here is something tottaly new and never done before! take the ball and run with it! no thank you sir. untill you can come up with something thats worth a damn im gonna negative feedback you untill you come out with something that's really new and emproved and has more gameplay.
Take Warhammer online and age of conan they are newer MMO but they didn't do shit with there MMOs to make them any different then the rest they just put there own classes and questing in the game and sold the game saying all these great things they have done with the game thats gonna be the next big thing. I compare everything too WoW because it sets the genre for the current MMO and untill someone can give me something better im gonna throw up WOW and kick there MMO untill I get what I want. Right now im waiting on DFO it seems to be the only MMO that may be able to feed my hungar for a good MMO or half way decent on atleast.
Yeah I like mmos but lets face it, for the past 2 years mmos have been an utter disappointment. The last real mmo I played was FFXI (played it for 2 years) and that was 3 years ago. I tried AOC, Lotro and WAR and all have only captured my attention for 2 months, if that and its cancel subcription time. I played WOW for 6 months and I left to play Guild Wars (playing for 3 years).
Honestly, I am tired of paying monthly fees to companies who rehash someone else's ideas and concepts just to make a quick buck. Yes I know it is their job to make money but for pete's sake for the price they charge us for the box and the monthly fee give us something worth playing that actually works!
There are a few current MMOs that I will give some respect/credit to, but for the most part the genre is pretty stale right now. Not much ambition in any of these games. They're just safe bets that stick to the same old formulas, only now they're more watered-down and "accessible".
I have a fairly good idea of what will keep me entertained (for more than 2 months) and until I see that, I won't even bother picking up a box or down loading a trial.
Really, I've always been more interested in the potential of the genre than anything else. And honestly, the potential is still there, we just need some one to pull it off.
I like MMOs, of course I do. We all do.
Right now i'm playing Eve (if you want something different - well, there it is). Plan on trying Aion when it comes out. I played WoW for years but I lost interest with the BC expansion and the community.. well.. yeah...
i agree...
i just love it!
Things I miss:
1. Highering an interior decorator. (SWG pre-cu)
2. Safari hunting with me shooting and my buddy driving! (Neocron)
3. Looking for Obi one's house! (SWG)
4. Taking the first trip too the Undercity! (Guess which MMO).
5. Mining my first asteroid.(EVE)
In conculsion, these game's where all inventive in some way. They where all orginal even if WOW did not think of it first. I like MMO's, just not the clones we are seeing today. Since WOW was a hit dev's through out the play book. Looking foward to earthrise, fallen earth, and startrek online> yes all sci-fi! But give me fun and community and I will even play Darkfall if it offers something new.
I don't see the reason to be so judgemental.
Yes people from this forum play MMO, no not everyone. There's people who have never even played an MMO here and will start their first MMO and are asking for advice.
There's also players who have stopped playing MMO and will post their delusion and dissapointments.
There's a good amount of people on the OT forum who don't play MMO atm and even recommend single player games to each other they like.
Not everyone should like MMO to post here, and luckily not everyone does, because discussions are more interesting with differnt point of views.
I agree on that... I mean it may had the downsides of terrible naked corpse runs, times of sitting around forever LFG and times when you litterally LOSE your corpse cause you have no clue exactly where you died.
/ooc Has anyone seen my corpse?
Oddly enough it was those same things that made me love EQ1 so much. You really felt in the world and eveything was scary. In a lot situations for many classes an even con mob would kick your face in 1v1. Back in the old days that is, no twink, no maps etc.. It was great.
I remember when I first started with some friends and we were grouping in crushbone, pure noobs. If we pulled 1 extra mob or pulled a Legionaire we all would take off running to the zone lines screaming for our lives.. Good times..
I really and truly miss that game.
If they would start a classic server, up to Vellious, no further, I would sign up in a heartbeat.
The original EQ was so far and away a better game than any MMO since... it is really a comment on how pathetic developers are these days.
Most of us love what MMO's used to be, and despise what MMO's have become. This is sort of like the horror film genre. There used to be some pretty cool horror films, but now the stuff that's cranked out is filled with 2-dimensional 20-nothing characters that no one can really care about.
What both MMO's and horror films lost was the sense of fear. You have to care about your character and there must be an element of suspense and threat evident. If not, then boredom and detachment set in.
I'll give you some MMO examples of comparison gameplay, both involving running through a zone filled with tough creatures that can kill you:
Everquest: Running through West Karanas at night when the high-level werewolf is loose. You can get lost, you can die, and if the latter happens you lose a bar of experience and are tasked with recovering your corpse (i.e., going back to where you died) or of losing your items.
A truly heartpounding and exciting experience.
World of Warcraft: Running through the Burning steppes with all sorts of high level elementals and golems shambling about. You can die and... you suddenly have the option to release at the encampment you were running to anyway in order to link a flightpath. No experience loss, minimal equipment repair bill. Dying actually saved you time.
This is dull.
Now, if Everquest were as updated as WOW is, in terms of graphics and smoothness of gameplay, and if it didn't have a moon and POK, there would be absolutely no contest on which game to play.
What WOW brought to the genre was polish. What it left behind was the fun.
I use to love MMO's but now they are all the same and tbh i just cant stand them anymore. Only MMO i have played and enjoyed every second on it was FFXI which right now i plan to play again since there are no other games worth my time and effort. Right now all i do is play PS3 since again there are no MMO's worth playing anymore.
This is just my opinion if you don't like it too bad!
yeah i like MMOs .... i play the ones i like and dont bother criticising other mmorpgs because, im not exclusively playing them. There really isnt anything like playing a good rpg like fallout 3 or fable 2 to relaxe from grinds of MMORPGs.
Playing: EVE Online
Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -
Most people on this site (or at least the vocal community) are disgruntled people who had a love for an older mmo that has since evolved or changed and don't like the direction the genre is going. So yes, they like MMO's, they just don't like the trend mmo's are going in and feel the need to justify that dislike and their disgruntled behavior.
There are also some people who had false expectations about what some games were going to be like upon release because of mmo developers trend of not finishing games before releasing it and feel compelled to share this rather shocking discovery with everyone else who probably knew this already or came to this discovery at the same time.
Then there's people who actually like current mmo's and the state they're in/going to be in, they're also part-time masochists.
Compare any MMO to a AAA single player rpg title such as Fallout 3, the only thing an MMO has got going for it is the social/player competition aspect, basically its only real appeal is that its online. If you compare the game mechanics to any modern sp-rpg you'll soon realise its a steaming pile of shit.
The problem is that todays MMOs just don't freakin cut it anymore, they're falling behind. AoC had a great chance, but Funcom fucked that well and truly. Just look at WAR, the game woulda been great 5 years ago.
People want some innovation already, there is a massive market of bored WoW players looking for something new. Scrap bloody levels, and make the game PLAYER-RUN, make a game thats like EvE but has more appeal and isn't boring as fuck. Anyhoo I'm rambling, it will be at least another 5 years before such a MMO will release, in the meantime people will bitch and moan at the drivel that we have at the moment.
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I love MMOs, they are pretty much the only video games I play anymore. I played EQ2 for years, the after a brief dalliance with AoC, I played stand alone PC games for a month until Warhammer came out which I am still subscribed to now.
Usually I prefer the MMOs where you can buy your own house & fill it with junk, but Warhammer doesn't have any of that & the community is a bit on the quiet side which is slightly disappointing as I like in-game chat. I have joined a guild which helps a bit, but the heavy PvP & Grouping emphasis probably just means people are too busy killing things to talk & it has to be said that the constant state of panic in scenarios is a lot of fun.
I will see how it goes though, there aren't many new games on the horizon that look that interesting enough to make me switch again apart from maybe Stargate. There are a couple I will probably try just for the free trial out of curiousity & I might be pleasantly surprised who knows.
Whilst it is great to read others opinions about MMOs on forums, there definitely is no substitute for trying things out for yourself. Let's face it, MMOs are a cheap form of entertainment so if you think you might like something, why not take a chance. Even a bad MMO still has that thrill of exploring new territory for a short time, unless performance issues make it completely unplayable that is.
I love the sheer variety of MMOs & am looking forward to visiting many more new worlds in the future.
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