im fairly sure Bioware wont even go near that tbh.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
Geez i hope this was a joke because lol if they was really millions of people who like pre-cu swg, this game will still be there.......... If pre-cu was so damn good where it is now?
I don't know about millions when there was only ever around 250k subscribers max. I'd say at the most there's half of that who want to play the broken, unbalanced game that was pre-CU.
If someone would make a game like you described I think I would financially donate 50% of my paycheck per week to help with development! However, a game like that would take some extremely talented folks that I don't feel exsist in this industry as of yet. They prefer the cookie-cutter WoW method.
Even though that will be awsome and refreshing, that wont happen. Because from what ive seen from the last 40 MMOs noone wants (or cant) create there own MMO. Its to high of a risk they would rather recreate a successful MMO. Also I think we can all agree that EQ2 and SWG are far more complicated games then WoW...Which is probably why WoW has so many subs.
So you want them to re create an unsuccessful MMO?
That doesn't seem like all that good of a business plan to me.
Thankfully from what we've seen, they are heading in their own direction and will let the past, be the past. Here's to hoping they get it right with their vision and their game.
Even though that will be awsome and refreshing, that wont happen. Because from what ive seen from the last 40 MMOs noone wants (or cant) create there own MMO. Its to high of a risk they would rather recreate a successful MMO. Also I think we can all agree that EQ2 and SWG are far more complicated games then WoW...Which is probably why WoW has so many subs.
So you want them to re create an unsuccessful MMO?
That doesn't seem like all that good of a business plan to me.
Thankfully from what we've seen, they are heading in their own direction and will let the past, be the past. Here's to hoping they get it right with their vision and their game.
SWG was NOT successful because of SOE and how they treated there community. The game itself (which had MANY bugs) was truly a work of art in a MMO prospective.
im fairly sure Bioware wont even go near that tbh.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
Geez i hope this was a joke because lol if they was really millions of people who like pre-cu swg, this game will still be there.......... If pre-cu was so damn good where it is now?
You should ask sony that. They screwed up a perfectly good game and turned it into some half assed 3rd person-shooter to try to compete with WoW. I can tell you have not played Pre-cu SWG or else you wouldnt have asked this question.
You'll never please the Star Wars fans, why even bother trying. No matter what the company does, or how they do it, some group or another is gonna hate it.
Youd have an easier time consolidating all the religions on earth into one.
Jedi's like SWG must be a unlockable class, imo and MANY other people i know dont like the idea of 245745737 jedi's because it just destroys the lore.
Don't talk about destroying lore when you don't understand it yourself. The Old Republic timeline HAD hundreds of thousands of Jedi/Sith running around.
Kailash only knows SWG doubt if he ever played any of the Kotor titles, and if bioware is smart they wont go the way he is suggesting
Acually ive beaten both KOTOR titles. Alittle proof. Towards the end of KOTOR 1 you find out that the jedi have blanked your memory and you are acually Revan. Legendary story. Anyways giving me examples of why you think that sugesstion is unwise would be nice.
im fairly sure Bioware wont even go near that tbh.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
Geez i hope this was a joke because lol if they was really millions of people who like pre-cu swg, this game will still be there.......... If pre-cu was so damn good where it is now?
There may not have been millions but there is truely no doubt that SWG was a better game and much more full of life before the CU or the NGE.
SOE changed it so they could try to reach the millions and it failed... not the other way around.
im fairly sure Bioware wont even go near that tbh.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
I would be careful with posts like that, because, you see, sarcasm does not go down too well on these boards...
im fairly sure Bioware wont even go near that tbh.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
Geez i hope this was a joke because lol if they was really millions of people who like pre-cu swg, this game will still be there.......... If pre-cu was so damn good where it is now?
You should ask sony that. They screwed up a perfectly good game and turned it into some half assed 3rd person-shooter to try to compete with WoW. I can tell you have not played Pre-cu SWG or else you wouldnt have asked this question.
Lol my question was not a question it was sarcastic because i already know the answer. SOE change the game because they lost a lots of player at the account of WOW. Now only die hard fan still dont forget it who where not enough for soe to get some profits and yeah company like SOE create video game for money.
Now pre-cu fan are so desperate to see they best game rise again, they can say anything. Now they are millions who want it So you can defend it if you want but Bioware are not fool they will not do a game the same way of another who failed years ago....
Bioware will not be making the 2nd incarnation of SWG, nor anything remotely close to it. The only thing the two games will really have in common is a shared IP.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Even though that will be awsome and refreshing, that wont happen. Because from what ive seen from the last 40 MMOs noone wants (or cant) create there own MMO. Its to high of a risk they would rather recreate a successful MMO. Also I think we can all agree that EQ2 and SWG are far more complicated games then WoW...Which is probably why WoW has so many subs.
So you want them to re create an unsuccessful MMO?
That doesn't seem like all that good of a business plan to me.
Thankfully from what we've seen, they are heading in their own direction and will let the past, be the past. Here's to hoping they get it right with their vision and their game.
SWG was NOT successful because of SOE and how they treated there community. The game itself (which had MANY bugs) was truly a work of art in a MMO prospective.
SWG was not successful for many reasons. Bugs and SOE's management were some of the major culprits. However, in the end, the game just did not appeal to enough people to make it viable in the eyes of the publishers. If it did, you would not have had CU or NGE, they would have stayed with a formula that was working.
Fact of the matter is, whether you or I like WoW, it is the most successful MMO ever made. It appeals to a far wider crowd than any other game made before it. Even before any of SOE's changes, their numbers were falling and they lost tons of people to WoW. Sure, there were a lot of people that liked it how it was, but not enough to keep SOE happy, so they tried to save the game.
Most people say they failed, however, who's to say the plug wouldn't have been pulled if they didn't make the changes they did. Fact is, Pre-CU/NGE was not even in the same ballpark as WoW in terms of success. People voted before the change, with their dollars, and SOE was forced to take steps. Whether or not they took the right ones will be endlessly debated. However, the game you describe on page 1, failed the first time and had a max pop far below what Bioware would love to see.
It's easy to talk about gambles and people not taking risk and all, but when it's your millions of dollars on the line, do you stick to a formula that worked, make your own, or go back to a failed formula? I hope they go their own, but if they stick to the WoW mold, it's certainly understandable.
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Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
I don't know about millions when there was only ever around 250k subscribers max. I'd say at the most there's half of that who want to play the broken, unbalanced game that was pre-CU.
If someone would make a game like you described I think I would financially donate 50% of my paycheck per week to help with development! However, a game like that would take some extremely talented folks that I don't feel exsist in this industry as of yet. They prefer the cookie-cutter WoW method.
So you want them to re create an unsuccessful MMO?
That doesn't seem like all that good of a business plan to me.
Thankfully from what we've seen, they are heading in their own direction and will let the past, be the past. Here's to hoping they get it right with their vision and their game.
So you want them to re create an unsuccessful MMO?
That doesn't seem like all that good of a business plan to me.
Thankfully from what we've seen, they are heading in their own direction and will let the past, be the past. Here's to hoping they get it right with their vision and their game.
SWG was NOT successful because of SOE and how they treated there community. The game itself (which had MANY bugs) was truly a work of art in a MMO prospective.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
You should ask sony that. They screwed up a perfectly good game and turned it into some half assed 3rd person-shooter to try to compete with WoW. I can tell you have not played Pre-cu SWG or else you wouldnt have asked this question.
You'll never please the Star Wars fans, why even bother trying. No matter what the company does, or how they do it, some group or another is gonna hate it.
Youd have an easier time consolidating all the religions on earth into one.
Don't talk about destroying lore when you don't understand it yourself. The Old Republic timeline HAD hundreds of thousands of Jedi/Sith running around.
Kailash only knows SWG doubt if he ever played any of the Kotor titles, and if bioware is smart they wont go the way he is suggesting
Acually ive beaten both KOTOR titles. Alittle proof. Towards the end of KOTOR 1 you find out that the jedi have blanked your memory and you are acually Revan. Legendary story. Anyways giving me examples of why you think that sugesstion is unwise would be nice.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
There may not have been millions but there is truely no doubt that SWG was a better game and much more full of life before the CU or the NGE.
SOE changed it so they could try to reach the millions and it failed... not the other way around.
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
I would be careful with posts like that, because, you see, sarcasm does not go down too well on these boards...
Sadly your probably right.
Something tells me there going for the WoWtarded crowd...
Hopefully Bioware is intelligent enough to know No WoW wannabe will ever be successful. People arent looking for another WoW not even WoW vets are looking for a remake of WoW 90% of the people that want to play a new MMO acually want to play a NEW!!! MMO. AOC sold alot of boxs because people were looking for innovation not the same old shit...
Hopefully bioware reads my post and takes it seriously. (which i doubt)
Forgive me if I'm mistaken here but your post just seems to be another "I want TOR to be SWG pre NGE/CU clone and think it will be retarded if its not post"
While this maybe hard for you to grasp there are different playstyles and tastes and just because some people are not looking for SWG pre NGE/CU doesn't make them any less intelligent then you. Strangly you seem very against a wow clone yet are for a SWG clone? Maybe you should wish Bioware trys to make their own game and not just a clone of anything?
But you see people who play those other playstyles are "tards" and in the minority I guess. There are millions of people just waiting for a game like Pre-cu SWG to come back, and as soon as it does gonna put wows tard numbers to shame.
You should ask sony that. They screwed up a perfectly good game and turned it into some half assed 3rd person-shooter to try to compete with WoW. I can tell you have not played Pre-cu SWG or else you wouldnt have asked this question.
Lol my question was not a question it was sarcastic because i already know the answer. SOE change the game because they lost a lots of player at the account of WOW. Now only die hard fan still dont forget it who where not enough for soe to get some profits and yeah company like SOE create video game for money.
Now pre-cu fan are so desperate to see they best game rise again, they can say anything. Now they are millions who want it
So you can defend it if you want but Bioware are not fool they will not do a game the same way of another who failed years ago....
Mine and a lot of other players' wishes are completely different than the OP's and his many players' wishes.
Bioware, don't listen to him and the other players' wishes,
Not another SWG, please. Good luck.
Bioware will not be making the 2nd incarnation of SWG, nor anything remotely close to it. The only thing the two games will really have in common is a shared IP.
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So you want them to re create an unsuccessful MMO?
That doesn't seem like all that good of a business plan to me.
Thankfully from what we've seen, they are heading in their own direction and will let the past, be the past. Here's to hoping they get it right with their vision and their game.
SWG was NOT successful because of SOE and how they treated there community. The game itself (which had MANY bugs) was truly a work of art in a MMO prospective.
SWG was not successful for many reasons. Bugs and SOE's management were some of the major culprits. However, in the end, the game just did not appeal to enough people to make it viable in the eyes of the publishers. If it did, you would not have had CU or NGE, they would have stayed with a formula that was working.
Fact of the matter is, whether you or I like WoW, it is the most successful MMO ever made. It appeals to a far wider crowd than any other game made before it. Even before any of SOE's changes, their numbers were falling and they lost tons of people to WoW. Sure, there were a lot of people that liked it how it was, but not enough to keep SOE happy, so they tried to save the game.
Most people say they failed, however, who's to say the plug wouldn't have been pulled if they didn't make the changes they did. Fact is, Pre-CU/NGE was not even in the same ballpark as WoW in terms of success. People voted before the change, with their dollars, and SOE was forced to take steps. Whether or not they took the right ones will be endlessly debated. However, the game you describe on page 1, failed the first time and had a max pop far below what Bioware would love to see.
It's easy to talk about gambles and people not taking risk and all, but when it's your millions of dollars on the line, do you stick to a formula that worked, make your own, or go back to a failed formula? I hope they go their own, but if they stick to the WoW mold, it's certainly understandable.