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100% sure-fire way to tell if DF will be a scam
Preorders.
If Darkfall does some sort of preorder offer that also involves beta access as part of the deal, you can bet everything you own that the game will be a complete flop. Mark my words. Once you hear the devs make a preorder announcement, run for the hills and don't look back.
I'm telling you it's coming. Everything about this game and the way it's being handled screams SCAM. I could be wrong, but I guess we will have to wait and see. I'm expecting to hear the announcement sometime before Dec.An open beta looks very unlikely. There will be maybe a 1 or 2 day stress test at best for the people who don't preorder.
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Didn't they say there are no pre orders and everyone can test it free aka trial / open beta.
So they basically can't scam us. ( Pre launch till post launch)
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To be honest it would be a pretty crappy scam. They have a few hundred thousand people interested but this is mainly because the community has self-promoted the game. Adventurine have done very little promotion themselves up until now and have kept a relatively low profile. If it were a scam I'd imagine they'd try and bait more people before screwing them over (Funcom?).
After 7 years of developing, even a idiot wouldn't try that.
FC is a bigger company then adventurine, they have released more games and can live longer because of the money of other games.
Adventurine has no games released , if they try to scam people, it will fail since it will be known in a few hours and thus results in a massive failure and maybe even a lawsuite. They don't have money because they don't have games released. They cannot afford a scam. If DFO is a failure then adventurine probably needs to close and is basically financiel ruined/ screwed.
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Didn't they say there are no pre orders and everyone can test it free aka trial / open beta.
They also said the game was coming out in 2004. What they say is meaningless at this point. I thought everyone knew that by now?
We can only go on what they do, or what seems likely, since they've completely used up all the trust and benefit of the doubt usually given to developers.
Didn't they say there are no pre orders and everyone can test it free aka trial / open beta.
They also said the game was coming out in 2004. What they say is meaningless at this point. I thought everyone knew that by now?
We can only go on what they do, or what seems likely, since they've completely used up all the trust and benefit of the doubt usually given to developers.
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Oh don't misunderstand me. By scam I just mean a really horrible game. I'm not saying they would take preorders and then not release anything. That would be criminal. I just think they know the game is garbage and that they can't allow open beta testing unless they wan't word to get out. That's why the preorders will be necessary to get some money up front. Basically this is Dark and Light part 2 imho.
Lol, thats one of silliest thing I've heard on this forum.
If is was scam do you think they would go on Greek national tv news talking about the game?
Of course not, they wouldn't even get an interview unless it was credible.
They certainly would not organise a large tech festival and have university professors giving talks.
How exactly do you have a live demo in front of hundreds / thousands of people if it's all just a scam?
They would be hiding out in a basement somewhere waitnig for the cash to flow in.
dark and light had a few hundred thousand following it too but they still tried to scam people. You'd be very stupid to pre-order this game.
You are just another troll, beleive me, we have seen all sorts.
now -go hide!
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Well that really depends. I don't think aventurine really gives a flying rats a$$ about the games possible players. They've had a steady income through a goverment grant from Greece. As long as they continue to make whatever headway the Greek goverment sets for them they can continue to milk the grant. Why bother to scam a few 100k gamers at best for what a month or 2 when you can scam a entire country for years? This is of course just conjecture.
Troll move along your failing completely:P
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In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Didn't they say there are no pre orders and everyone can test it free aka trial / open beta.
They also said the game was coming out in 2004. What they say is meaningless at this point. I thought everyone knew that by now?
We can only go on what they do, or what seems likely, since they've completely used up all the trust and benefit of the doubt usually given to developers.
It was end of 2003 but they did not release 2 long game movies.
1.17min gamemovie
1.30 mingameplaymovie
They did not have tv press interview
They did not have convention press event to show world how far game have developed.
So forget 2003 beta annouce
Its completely different now and absolutely no hoax.
And scam is not Posible they let you first dl game and give you some free PLAYTIME BEFORE BUYING GAME.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I love these trolls that desperately try to sound like they got a clue. Make a claim and then try to back it up with something that has no relation to said claim, "it's a scam cuz... they promized sumtin years ago and failed to deliver".
If it were a scam, it would the worst scam in history. They've spend several years working on a scam that hasn't produced a dime for them so far (compared to what they would get by simply working that time), they've hired more and more people (30 now), their target audience is largely unaware of their product, they don't advertize it anywhere, they don't pay big gaming mags to write positive stuff of their product like some other developers (if you think this is not happening all the time in the industry... then you're blind) and overall they keep things out the media. Basicly doing everything the opposite a real, succesful scammer would do.
I also find funny how by letting people beta test a game somehow proves it is a working, non-shitty game. Hello...? AoC, Vanguard... ring a bell?
All that said, I'll add that I'll never preorder games from anyone, anymore. I've learned that lesson a long time ago.
I don't remember saying anything like that. What I said was that it's a garbage game which is exactly why they won't let people beta test it, unless you pay first.
I think you need some more experience following the development of MMORPGs if it isn't obvious to you that DF is almost certainly a scam.
Um... not that I'm disagreeing (if they have a pre-order w/ beta access before anybody can try the game, Darkfall probably sucks), but you're assuming a lot here.
The Darkfall devs have given absolutely NO indication that they're planning a pre-order. They've said the exact opposite recently - that there will be a free, open-beta and that they want people to try the game before they have to shell out any money.
This all seems a little presumptuous. You seem to be saying that Darkfall WILL suck because it MIGHT have a pre-order... which makes you seem like a troll...
I don't remember saying anything like that. What I said was that it's a garbage game which is exactly why they won't let people beta test it, unless you pay first.
I think you need some more experience following the development of MMORPGs if it isn't obvious to you that DF is almost certainly a scam.
I've been a gamer since the 80's and played nearly every MMO since UO. I've followed more games I care to count. Nice try though.
I think you need some more experience in backing your so called points with facts, instead of bullshit.
You guys really need to stop answering with "The devs said...." It doesn't matter what the devs said. Hello, Mcfly, The game has been in development since 2000. They announced betas and release dates numerous times in the past and never followed through. At what point do you stop paying attention to what they say?
If presuming they will have preorders makes me seem like a troll, then believing they won't because they said so makes you seem like a moron.
Scam is far too harsh a word. No, my feeling is that was Darkfall will end up being is a really awesome idea that never had a prayer (and by prayer I mean manpower and budget) of living up to it's ideals.
You know the REAL reason why WoW is successful dispite it's simplicity? Because of it's simplicity. WoW is what WoW is and does what it does, does what it does well, and doesn't pretend to do anything else... and it took huge team of the best paid developers in the industry and unfathomable budget just to accomplish that much, which is to a say a game that Darkfall fans(and hell WoW fans) describe as overly simplistic and linear. And yet I'm supposed to just accept on blind faith that a tiny low-budget indie developer is going to deliver the sun, the moon, AND the stars, with a bag of potato chips to boot?
You know it will indicated if Darkfall DOESN'T have a pre-order promotion as you say? It will indicate they don't have the distribution or advertising power to make it happen, kind of like not having the development power to actual deliver this ultimate dream super MMO expirience they've been selling on little more than big promises.
Darkfall, like many over reaching projects that came before it, will finally release incomplete after it finally runs out of money, only to disappoint the few that care enough to try it.
If Darkfall was everything people think it is and was even close to a beta-ready state, major distibutors would be all over it. You REALLY think that there's a distributor out there that isn't Activision that wouldn't LOVE to get their hands on a game like Darfall is supposed to be? Oh, and don't give me that "independant distribution" crap, that's absolute commerical suicide... hell Star Wars movies get distributed by Fox.
And for the record, I LOVE to be proven wrong. I'd LOVE to see Adventurine break literally EVERY SINGLE rule of and literally revolutionize the entire entertainment industry. I'd also LOVE to get phone call saying I inherited a billion dollars and small island in the Carribean.
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10 million Euro is a respectable amount for MMO development; I think if anything, funding never was a problem for Aventurine. and the team of 30 is also the perfect balance between maintaining good communication in development and having enough hands for the jobs required.
They aren't doing anything that hasn't been done before, except navel combat maybe.
What so hard to understand about that?
People are hyped because of the oldschool ruleset, thats it.
We aren't expecting anything revolutionary.
I don't remember saying anything like that. What I said was that it's a garbage game which is exactly why they won't let people beta test it, unless you pay first.
I think you need some more experience following the development of MMORPGs if it isn't obvious to you that DF is almost certainly a scam.
I've been a gamer since the 80's and played nearly every MMO since UO. I've followed more games I care to count. Nice try though.
I think you need some more experience in backing your so called points with facts, instead of bullshit.
Sorry to hear you've been playing and following games since the 80s and still don't have a clue.
I guess if after 20 years you're still as gullible as a newb then there's no hope for you. You sound exactly like one of Darkfall's target players/suckers.
10 million Euro is a respectable amount for MMO development; I think if anything, funding never was a problem for Aventurine. and the team of 30 is also the perfect balance between maintaining good communication in development and having enough hands for the jobs required.
You know that's still only about a 3rd the budget, and fewer people than WoW had serving coffee? And I'm just talking about the initial buggy as hell, content absent release version.
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I also have been playing games since the 80's.
This is clearly not a scam.
If you think that this is a scam then I feely sorry for you because you won't know a real scam if you are ever unfortunate enough to be intended victim of one.
Bad game maybe, scam certainly not.
I voted no in your poll because I simply don't pre-order.
Now, As far as pre-orders to enter some beta being a scam, I agree that is why I refused to take part in War's beta because they required a pre-order to do so.
Now a few things, Aventurine there will not be pre-orders and that they want everyone to try the game free before paying. Secondly they came out and warned people not to pre-order DarkFall on there official website. They said it was a scam because they weren't doing pre-orders and asked people not to fall for it.
Logic says your jumping to assumptions with no basis in fact, Commen sense says your just trolling.
I guess it would have been a decent enough arguement if Aventurine hadn't beat you to the punch and warned people against pre-ordering DarkFall.
In any case I advise Everyone against pre-ordering any game. You pay extra money you don't need to and there is always digital means of downloading it when you want as well as being able to order online if the store is sold out. The pre-order thing is always a scam with any game. They want as much money as they can get from you, after the pre-orders the price drops, after a few months it drops more. The earlier you buy a MMO the more it costs and the more bugs and issues that come with it.
So if you ever get ripped off or feel like you got ripped off like many did with DnL, AoC, War then it was your own fault for pre-ordering knowing it isn't a smart thing to do.
10 million Euro is a respectable amount for MMO development; I think if anything, funding never was a problem for Aventurine. and the team of 30 is also the perfect balance between maintaining good communication in development and having enough hands for the jobs required.
You know that's still only about a 3rd the budget, and fewer people than WoW had serving coffee? And I'm just talking about the initial buggy as hell, content absent release version.
You don't understand. They don't need a huge staff because the NPCs are so intelligent they can play and bug test the game for them. The devs said so!