Remember New Hampshire. Everyone thought Obama was going to win NH against Hillary by 10%.. it was so 'predicted' that a lot of hardcore Obama supporters didn't bother to vote. Hillary won.
Obama should win. Bush has like 25% approval rating and Republicans are getting beat up for the economny and Iraq. That said, this election is going to come down to about 5 states (Ohio, Virginia, NM, Nevada, Florida). Obama should win all of them, but they are all 1-3%... which means if Obama keeps polling ahead nationally by 9% there is a chance that those 1-3% of people don't bother voting because they think things are locked up. A lot of people are looking at the national poll and forgetting that the electoral college is what elects the president, and there are a ton of states that Obama is only winning by 1-3%.
Dont know about the sky - All I know is that the stocks are falling way to fast. Under 4 NKR. Thats just.... Game over.
I mean its funny this article is so appropriately titled. I mean lets say you bought stock in May 08', would you NOT feel like the sky was falling? 3.89/share from 55 a share? Thats a 'sky is falling' to me.... to whom isnt that a 'sky is falling'?
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Im sure the fanbois will find a favorable way to spin the stock dropping from 55 dollars to under 4 but it doesnt sound good to me.....Factor in that one of the main guys resigned, the CEO of the company selling alot of his stock, and many rumors of the company up for sale and it does not look good for AoC (or AO for that matter)........
I'm sure all the families who depend on a salary from Funcom will be delighted to know that...
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
I'm sure all the families who depend on a salary from Funcom will be delighted to know that...
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
Not sure, you live there, you tell me?
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
I'm sure all the families who depend on a salary from Funcom will be delighted to know that...
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
Not sure, you live there, you tell me?
That was a (failed) attempt at humour, Orzo - of course they don't bloody let you vote
I'm sure all the families who depend on a salary from Funcom will be delighted to know that...
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
I have to say you have made me feel a little guilty ....you raise a valid point about if Funcom does go under families and people who have nothing to do with it will be negatively effected ..maybe we are a little gleeful about there possible demise ?
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust. A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
I'm sure all the families who depend on a salary from Funcom will be delighted to know that...
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
Part of it I think stems from how the treated people and how they did buisness. The lied, lied, denied, lied and denied some more. They intentionaly did things that were a bit deceptive intentionaly. I mean they promoted and hyped DX10 for a good while and suddenly days before launch they said there would be no DX10. The problem here is they did it in enough time and in such a way they could say they never meant to decieve us but the problem is people can clearly see they did. They intetnionaly tried to decieve many over and over and over. This was a prime example of big buisness only carring about money and not giving a rats arse about there customer.
While I don't really want to see them fail I would smile if they did. Karma at work lol.
Part of it I think stems from how the treated people and how they did buisness. The lied, lied, denied, lied and denied some more. They intentionaly did things that were a bit deceptive intentionaly. I mean they promoted and hyped DX10 for a good while and suddenly days before launch they said there would be no DX10. The problem here is they did it in enough time and in such a way they could say they never meant to decieve us but the problem is people can clearly see they did. They intetnionaly tried to decieve many over and over and over. This was a prime example of big buisness only carring about money and not giving a rats arse about there customer. While I don't really want to see them fail I would smile if they did. Karma at work lol.
Enough time? Are you talking about DX10? If I'm not wrong they announced it like 2 or 3 days before launch. You call that "enough time"?
They knew DX10 was not going to be in lauch MONTHS before, but choose not to tell us so they could sell more pre-orders. Very dishonest way of doing business. But like you said, karma at work.
Part of it I think stems from how the treated people and how they did buisness. The lied, lied, denied, lied and denied some more. They intentionaly did things that were a bit deceptive intentionaly. I mean they promoted and hyped DX10 for a good while and suddenly days before launch they said there would be no DX10. The problem here is they did it in enough time and in such a way they could say they never meant to decieve us but the problem is people can clearly see they did. They intetnionaly tried to decieve many over and over and over. This was a prime example of big buisness only carring about money and not giving a rats arse about there customer. While I don't really want to see them fail I would smile if they did. Karma at work lol.
Enough time? Are you talking about DX10? If I'm not wrong they announced it like 2 or 3 days before launch. You call that "enough time"?
They knew DX10 was not going to be in lauch MONTHS before, but choose not to tell us so they could sell more pre-orders. Very dishonest way of doing business. But like you said, karma at work.
Karma is a bitter viscious mistress and she like to take along those that sell of their morals to gain a title among other things so there a few poeple here and over at the AOC forums and may be paddling up a well known creek one of these days
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust. A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot...
What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust. A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot...
What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income.
I'm sorry if you think that's 'dumbass logic'...
Funcom only has 300 employees. Most of them are probably typical office type people who will find other jobs (accontants, secretarys, human resources etc). The server tech guys will also not have a problem finding a job. Only the handful of devs will have a hard time finding something else. EE probably also might want to leave this one off the ole resume'.
Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot... What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income. I'm sorry if you think that's 'dumbass logic'...
Lol..
You make it sound like they have to live on the street with no food or shelter . You do know we are talking about Norway here, right? Like Azrile said above, most of them will find a new job and those that don't, will get handled by social security so we can all sleep our nights in peace knowing that "random ex-FC dev number 24" will have enough money to feed his starving baby.
If you want to see some real tragedy and families in real trouble, you should look somewhere else than in a Norwegian game development company. I suggest traveling and seeing the world outside your little bubble.
But if you still want to help, maybe you can start a "Feed starving ex-FC employees" fund? If you do that, I'll promise to donate 10 euros, maybe even more
Just like all those 100's of Vanguard haters on these forums said it was going to be gone after a few more months after release...they was right! oh wait...no they was idiots. Most people spewing forth this nonsense are likely teens who are just looking to rile people up.
It really doesn't take many people to keep running a game...DAOC and Anarchy Online are proof of that.
Just like all those 100's of Vanguard haters on these forums said it was going to be gone after a few more months after release...they was right! oh wait...no they was idiots. Most people spewing forth this nonsense are likely teens who are just looking to rile people up.
It really doesn't take many people to keep running a game...DAOC and Anarchy Online are proof of that.
I also believe AoC is not going to "die". Most likely scenario in my mind is where FC goes bankrupt, sells AoC, and some other company milks it 4-5 years as a niche game with a skeleton crew.
Just like all those 100's of Vanguard haters on these forums said it was going to be gone after a few more months after release...they was right! oh wait...no they was idiots. Most people spewing forth this nonsense are likely teens who are just looking to rile people up.
It really doesn't take many people to keep running a game...DAOC and Anarchy Online are proof of that.
There really is a big difference between DAOC, AO and vangaurd from games like WOW, LOTRO and EVE.
It's called a development team.
Yes, if you are happy paying $15/month for a game that never adds anything to the game, then I'm sure for the next few years there will be someone who keeps AOC online for you.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust. A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
You missed his point entirely... perhaps English isn't your first language. He wasn't saying that people should support bad products just because there are families who will suffer if we don't. He just feels that the level of manic glee expressed on this forum for this inevitable suffering (as a result of Funcom's potential collapse) is a little inappropriate.
Myself I just find it creepy... the hugely disproportionate rage that gamers seem to vent when something like this happens (just like the SWG debacle) is pretty ridiculous, as though Funcom employees had broken into your house and eaten your babies rather than just lying about how broken their computer game was going to be on release.
Get some perspective. You're not saving the world here.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust. A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
Anyone else find this reminiscent of the scene in 'Clerks' where they are discussing "the innocent contractors who were killed when the rebels blew up the uncompleted Death Star". I think the contractor who chimed in at the end had a valid point.
More than one MMORPG.com member / user worked for FC on AO and than AOC and quit early on because of how the show was being run.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust. A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
Anyone else find this reminiscent of the scene in 'Clerks' where they are discussing "the innocent contractors who were killed when the rebels blew up the uncompleted Death Star". I think the contractor who chimed in at the end had a valid point.
More than one MMORPG.com member / user worked for FC on AO and than AOC and quit early on because of how the show was being run.
Actually I was thinking of a scene from the West Wing where the President was told that a certain building was being bombed at night so at to limit the loss of life. He said "tell that to the janitors working third shift".
In any event, I really think the only people who will have a hard time getting a job are the developers. The server stuff was actually done well (no major downtimes etc). And I think most of us can agree it would be a blessing to gamers everywhere if the developers of AOC find a new line of work.
Actually I was thinking of a scene from the West Wing where the President was told that a certain building was being bombed at night so at to limit the loss of life. He said "tell that to the janitors working third shift". In any event, I really think the only people who will have a hard time getting a job are the developers. The server stuff was actually done well (no major downtimes etc). And I think most of us can agree it would be a blessing to gamers everywhere if the developers of AOC find a new line of work.
They would do well in marketing...
They did so well in uber-hyping AoC before release and slathering all the Forum sites with marketing fans. You don't have to know much to be in advertising and you don't have to actually produce anything.
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Heh... it's spun way
but hey, still makes for interesting reading.
Now it just remains to be seen what you guys actually do with your country a week from now.
About the election LOL
Remember New Hampshire. Everyone thought Obama was going to win NH against Hillary by 10%.. it was so 'predicted' that a lot of hardcore Obama supporters didn't bother to vote. Hillary won.
Obama should win. Bush has like 25% approval rating and Republicans are getting beat up for the economny and Iraq. That said, this election is going to come down to about 5 states (Ohio, Virginia, NM, Nevada, Florida). Obama should win all of them, but they are all 1-3%... which means if Obama keeps polling ahead nationally by 9% there is a chance that those 1-3% of people don't bother voting because they think things are locked up. A lot of people are looking at the national poll and forgetting that the electoral college is what elects the president, and there are a ton of states that Obama is only winning by 1-3%.
Rock the vote!!!!
Dont know about the sky - All I know is that the stocks are falling way to fast. Under 4 NKR. Thats just.... Game over.
I mean its funny this article is so appropriately titled. I mean lets say you bought stock in May 08', would you NOT feel like the sky was falling? 3.89/share from 55 a share? Thats a 'sky is falling' to me.... to whom isnt that a 'sky is falling'?
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Im sure the fanbois will find a favorable way to spin the stock dropping from 55 dollars to under 4 but it doesnt sound good to me.....Factor in that one of the main guys resigned, the CEO of the company selling alot of his stock, and many rumors of the company up for sale and it does not look good for AoC (or AO for that matter)........
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
Not sure, you live there, you tell me?
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
Not sure, you live there, you tell me?
That was a (failed) attempt at humour, Orzo - of course they don't bloody let you vote
OMG.. people in Iceland can't vote!!
Don't say that too loudly, some overbearing President might invade you to promote democracy
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
I have to say you have made me feel a little guilty ....you raise a valid point about if Funcom does go under families and people who have nothing to do with it will be negatively effected ..maybe we are a little gleeful about there possible demise ?
"after the time of dice came the day of mice "
Such is the brutal life of business and public ownership.
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
I just hope you vote your interests this coming election gracefield. I mean it wasnt the employees fault that are being laid off in droves now, that FORD and GM and Chrysler decided to keep building hummers and trucks large enough to haul 4 CY of dirt at a time. Those companies made the choices at the top and they are still making nice salaries and deciding whom to lay off due to their inept production decisions. This is no different for funcom.
Not to go down that road but the unions get to share a lot of the blame. Not that the unions= employess as they are corrupt as the day is long BUT many employees milked the system and their jobs went elsewhere as they were part of unions that milked the companies..
However none of those issues apply to what happened at FC. The average employee is not to blame in the least.
Ford, GM and Chrysler had almost a ten-year period of record profits and skyrocketing sales of some of their most profitable companies (ie. SUV's and large pick-ups) in their history. God-forbid they actually share some of those profits with the people that actually build their cars. This is the kind of thinking that got us into this entire mess. The middle-class has always been the back-bone of our country, and unions were the driving force that payed it's due in blood that created our middle-class.
The only employees milking the system were the high-end CEO's and upper-management. Instead of thinking forward, like Toyota did with their Prius, they kept redesigning the grill on their gas-guzzling behemoths and expected to keep raking in the profits.
while I agree with the thinking ahead it is kind of hard to quote records related to SUV's and then knock them for not developing a prius.
And no my friend I am sorry but upper management is not the only bad guy here. I grew up in the rust belt, watched the steel mills, auto makers and other manufacturing go bye bye and the unions were a big culprit.
Don't beleive me? Compare cars made in the US and then ask yourself why the big 3 have so much overhead. The unions have/had their place but then as is typical some power/money hungry scumbag got in there and used the workers.
Far too many workers have the "you owe me because you cant make the product without me" attitude and yet at every turn do everything they can to bleed the company dry with no thought of the future. way too many union members stand around with their hand out even when the company is in trouble and then wonder why their jobs go overseas.
You provide the perfect example as you seem angry because they didnt share their profits even though the union workers in those plants have some of the best blue color jobs in the country and yet you think they should get more.
And please dont get me wrong I am not saying that the companies are in the right 100% either. As in most things the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately most management has never spent time as a "grunt" and most average union workers have no idea what goes on in management.
Anyway we'll agree to disagree but as I said if there was more understanding between the sides then they might be more successful.
I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.
A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.
By the way, Orzo, I'd love to vote in your forthcoming election - do they let you vote if you live in Ireland?
Part of it I think stems from how the treated people and how they did buisness. The lied, lied, denied, lied and denied some more. They intentionaly did things that were a bit deceptive intentionaly. I mean they promoted and hyped DX10 for a good while and suddenly days before launch they said there would be no DX10. The problem here is they did it in enough time and in such a way they could say they never meant to decieve us but the problem is people can clearly see they did. They intetnionaly tried to decieve many over and over and over. This was a prime example of big buisness only carring about money and not giving a rats arse about there customer.
While I don't really want to see them fail I would smile if they did. Karma at work lol.
Enough time? Are you talking about DX10? If I'm not wrong they announced it like 2 or 3 days before launch. You call that "enough time"?
They knew DX10 was not going to be in lauch MONTHS before, but choose not to tell us so they could sell more pre-orders. Very dishonest way of doing business. But like you said, karma at work.
Enough time? Are you talking about DX10? If I'm not wrong they announced it like 2 or 3 days before launch. You call that "enough time"?
They knew DX10 was not going to be in lauch MONTHS before, but choose not to tell us so they could sell more pre-orders. Very dishonest way of doing business. But like you said, karma at work.
Karma is a bitter viscious mistress and she like to take along those that sell of their morals to gain a title among other things so there a few poeple here and over at the AOC forums and may be paddling up a well known creek one of these days
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot...
What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income.
I'm sorry if you think that's 'dumbass logic'...
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot...
What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income.
I'm sorry if you think that's 'dumbass logic'...
Funcom only has 300 employees. Most of them are probably typical office type people who will find other jobs (accontants, secretarys, human resources etc). The server tech guys will also not have a problem finding a job. Only the handful of devs will have a hard time finding something else. EE probably also might want to leave this one off the ole resume'.
Lol..
You make it sound like they have to live on the street with no food or shelter
. You do know we are talking about Norway here, right? Like Azrile said above, most of them will find a new job and those that don't, will get handled by social security so we can all sleep our nights in peace knowing that "random ex-FC dev number 24" will have enough money to feed his starving baby.
If you want to see some real tragedy and families in real trouble, you should look somewhere else than in a Norwegian game development company. I suggest traveling and seeing the world outside your little bubble.
But if you still want to help, maybe you can start a "Feed starving ex-FC employees" fund? If you do that, I'll promise to donate 10 euros, maybe even more
Just like all those 100's of Vanguard haters on these forums said it was going to be gone after a few more months after release...they was right! oh wait...no they was idiots. Most people spewing forth this nonsense are likely teens who are just looking to rile people up.
It really doesn't take many people to keep running a game...DAOC and Anarchy Online are proof of that.
I also believe AoC is not going to "die". Most likely scenario in my mind is where FC goes bankrupt, sells AoC, and some other company milks it 4-5 years as a niche game with a skeleton crew.
There really is a big difference between DAOC, AO and vangaurd from games like WOW, LOTRO and EVE.
It's called a development team.
Yes, if you are happy paying $15/month for a game that never adds anything to the game, then I'm sure for the next few years there will be someone who keeps AOC online for you.
Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.
We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.
Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?
It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.
I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.
You missed his point entirely... perhaps English isn't your first language. He wasn't saying that people should support bad products just because there are families who will suffer if we don't. He just feels that the level of manic glee expressed on this forum for this inevitable suffering (as a result of Funcom's potential collapse) is a little inappropriate.
Myself I just find it creepy... the hugely disproportionate rage that gamers seem to vent when something like this happens (just like the SWG debacle) is pretty ridiculous, as though Funcom employees had broken into your house and eaten your babies rather than just lying about how broken their computer game was going to be on release.
Get some perspective. You're not saving the world here.
Anyone else find this reminiscent of the scene in 'Clerks' where they are discussing "the innocent contractors who were killed when the rebels blew up the uncompleted Death Star". I think the contractor who chimed in at the end had a valid point.
More than one MMORPG.com member / user worked for FC on AO and than AOC and quit early on because of how the show was being run.
Anyone else find this reminiscent of the scene in 'Clerks' where they are discussing "the innocent contractors who were killed when the rebels blew up the uncompleted Death Star". I think the contractor who chimed in at the end had a valid point.
More than one MMORPG.com member / user worked for FC on AO and than AOC and quit early on because of how the show was being run.
Actually I was thinking of a scene from the West Wing where the President was told that a certain building was being bombed at night so at to limit the loss of life. He said "tell that to the janitors working third shift".
In any event, I really think the only people who will have a hard time getting a job are the developers. The server stuff was actually done well (no major downtimes etc). And I think most of us can agree it would be a blessing to gamers everywhere if the developers of AOC find a new line of work.
They would do well in marketing...
They did so well in uber-hyping AoC before release and slathering all the Forum sites with marketing fans. You don't have to know much to be in advertising and you don't have to actually produce anything.