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Atlantica Online: Considering the Turn-Based MMORPG
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Kim Tae Gon, Producer of Atlantica Online writes this second developer journal in our series for the game. In this journal, Kim tells us a little bit about the company's decision to created a turn-based MMORPG.
What Is Turn-based?
Turn-based action is when each player takes his or her own turn, in succession, one after each other. Each player takes his or her turn without any interference from other players. Player A takes his turn, then player B gets his turn and it continues in this fashion throughout the game.
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Just a warning to people thinking about this game, it's client is not written very well, just like Conan you need a better computer to run it than an average one.
2.2 million concurrent users is truly a draw dropping number. Whats more amazing is its only 1 country. I can't think of any mmo that worldwide had 2.2 million concurrent users.
Im sure WoW has had more than that.
This game is phenominal, Im quite hooked and loving it. So much strategy and depth, I highly suggest if you ever played older console rpgs you give this game a try. Ive always wanted to have a party not just 1 dude in an mmo and this game has done that and done it well.
Did they fix the weapon enchants so that you can't make equal damage equivilants to the highest weapons in the game with spirit weapons? I remember they added that when they added stamina.
The point of turn based combat in my book is to give the player the time to decide what move they want to do next. Having a timer on the ennemy actions (NPC) is fine, but why impose one on the players ?
I tried the game but i found that i was always rushing my attacks because of the timer. The way the game is made, you have to control several characters with unique abilities, that counter really makes you rush your actions. That completly kill the whole point of a turn base game where time and strategy is important.
What's the point of this timer anyway ? Making the computer wait is not a problem for anyone. It's like playing chess, it's a turn base game but if you put a 15 second time limit each move, it completly kills the strategy side of the game, unless your a master chess player.
There is a time limit so as to keep the battles moving. If every player's turn took 3 min, then it would take forever to get things done, especially in a pvp environment.
I was not talking about PVP here, only PVE. When i'm in a battle, it's me vs the computer. I'm not making anyone wait by taking my time to decide what's going to be my next move.
I play the game more like a chess master views a game of chess. I always have my round and next round planned long beore its my turn.
The one thing I really like is that you get 9 people in your party but you can only do 5 actions per round max provided you have 5 guys with 100+ Action points. you can guard and pass that persons action to another person with 100+ AP but you can only do a max of 5 things. A lot of spells arent usable until round 2 or 3 so it works really well to pass off from your witch or vikings for one round and then use there big spells etc
The fact that every action costs action points, every char generates a different amount of AP per round, certain abilities cost a lot or little action, certain abilities can only be done in certain rounds, and many other factors. This leads to a lot of strategy and calculation on the gamer and the time on rounds makes you have do to these calculations quickly on the fly.
Al these things make the game a great strategy mmo and the PvP is very intense, I only stumbled into Atlantica while waiting for wow xpac (nov 13) I am now lvl 62 and loving the game and wishing xpac was delayed a month to let me enjoy atlantica abit more before I go back to wow but its on time and Ill be playing.
In Summary all the depth of the combat plus the timer on rounds just make the game very skill based and leaves a huge gap between a newb and a pro which is what I look for in a pvp game. It is not exactly newb friendly, It can be with auto battle or auto merc and you control your hero etc but realisticly you need skill to win in pvp and thats great. I only wish WoW wasnt so newb friendly then maybe I wouldnt keep quiting it after I conquer PvP (hwl / gladiator etc) . Ill still be back for xpac and then Im sure Ill quit after season 1 of arena and go back to atlantica :P
This game has lots of really strong points, especially on the tactical side:
- Party composition
- Formation you use and movement in battle
- Lots of diverse abilities and the need to "cycle" through characters
When people hit the level cap I really think and hope that skill will be king in PvP.
Other elements aren't as advanced or not as much to my liking, but it still makes for a strong game proposition. I'm playing and enjoying it.
I would not get too excited about Cleffy's numbers, he has a tendency to get excited and add 3 or 4 zeros to any number he sees. He should use the dictionary to look up what the word concurrent means so the next time he uses it, he uses in a correct manner.
Not my number, its in the article. WoW has 11 million subscribers, but it really doesn't peak 800k concurrent users. Also I do know what concurrent means.
Whatever may be the number i have been into this game and i feel its a complete made up story going on there nothing much authentic.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
"Last August, a Chinese turn-based online game reached 2.2 million concurrent users. "
What game are they talking about here?
I just started playing Atlantica Online last week and I'm hooked so far. I really dig the turn-based battles, but I do wish I had a bit more time to make my moves. Just an extra 10 seconds would help a lot. The game population seems very healthy and stuff I put on the market sells very quickly too.
Whatever may be the number i have been into this game and i feel its a complete made up story going on there nothing much authentic.
If you have really tried it out then you are not a intellectual person at all, since this game thus need your functioning brain to really enjoy it.
Atlantica online, a turn based game that won't really bore you. Why will I say such? The main thing about its battle system, is that it is turn base, so it means that you have to wait for the other player or the monster to finish off their turns, due to its time duration it limits then your boredom you need to think off fast enough to counter what damages you have taken during your enemies turn. To tell you frankly, this is the first time I've ever tried off a turn base system game, but still I've enjoyed every move I make to simply outwit my enemy.
Ha! Well that means that that country is pretty much addicted to the game. 2.2 mil is just a small number from what i know compareed to an MMORPG that has about more than 11mil players that can't be accurately stated anymore due to the vast database. In any case, it is nice to see something new. I myself am enjoying this game honestly speaking. And even if it still has bugs here and then, i'm one of those players that is actually enjoying it. ^-^ Leveling up is not a pressure since you can take your time in finishing things and with the PvP(Free league that is) it is your chose when to join and how frequent you actually sign up for it.
Maybe, just maybe, the concurrent users you are reffering to are the ones the discussion is saying as the users who want s to see a new flavor in a game. To see what this new game can offer, and chose to stay and have fun in a way the game was designed.
on the contrary, i think the limited time actually promotes strategy rather than taking it out. at first, yea, it seemed like such a rush to think and attack in 30seconds. when you get used to the shortcuts though and adjust to your team's build then the timer won't be much to worry about.
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The limited time actualy in laag do not allow you to take the turns or in laag it do not allow you to take all the turns and thus you miss turns. If you shout the problem out in free league then people may answer all your other characters were stunned. You can make the same logic against monsters too. But my explanation is we have a faulty system released as a game which do not work when it laags and thus this error if not fixed and i do not know if slowing the game more will fix it will eventually kill the game. All will find this flaw out no matter how much you market it or fight me out in this forums. Atlantica Online has a faulty combat system that do not work accordingly in low bandwidths or in laag.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
Great game, a bit of innovation in the cookie cutter mmorpg world.
Think Heroes of might and magic meets WoW meets Age of empire.
The game is way more complicated than first meets the eye. Lots of content, but the storyline is very linear.
PvP & PvE are very addictive.
A great alternative before the Darkfall/Earthrise/Mortal online revolution.
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"" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict . "
Hey, sourajit, i agree with you on your signature. Amidst all the negative comment you had posted all over the atlantica forums and even here, i still tried the game. and guess what? i enjoyed it.
I didn't listen to you that i can't play the game. I made up my mind and set my mind to try the game. And i am the type of guy that has a go at every game and so i joined in all the MMORPGs and this one i haven't tried. ^-^
most of the issues you had has been resolved. and regarding the lag, i pretty much do not experience it(the one during battle that is). The lag i experience is in Rome and in any other town that has a lot of players in it. As with the community, so far so good. most people are helpful. a few smart alecs but hey, there is one or 2 in any Online game.
On top of everything, i can consider now myself as an addict of the game. lol
I noticed by the way that all other people in this discussion thread have their own personal opinion on the game. so i believe you technique of posting multiple copy-pasted article of yours in almost all atlantica threads is just plain bitterness of how you really love the game but can't enjoy it and can't play it that well like any other f2ps out there. So i don't know, it is just my opinion so i might be wrong.
Then if you understand the meaning you would grasp the impossibility of such a happenstance. Sorry they just don't have enough servers to support that many people playing at the same time. Concurrent means at the same time. So the saying goes don't believe everything you read, especially on the internet. Sometimes it requires common sense to understand when someone misposts a number. Reposting it pretty much guarentees the lack of it.
If after playing the game there is bitterness , then there is a reason for it , solved bitterness is not bitterness any more. I wrote what i felt like and i made multiple posts as Mmorpg.com is not for marketting or advertising a game. It is for discussing , discussions are more of logic based , clear out the illogic and we have a better marketting post here , arent we ?
Multiple posts is what makes me know who all are into marketting and advertising , i hate the game support in that game , take out that games pseudo system and fix the core turn based time dependent fault that comes in with laag , we can surely get a good game or else , we will have a game and a forum with bitter posts.
Today it is me and may be tomorrow it is someone else , but the problem solved at the cause is no longer a problem , isn't it always that way ?
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
I doubt this...
The last time i checked it was only 16600 in free league .
So you suggesting me that there is 2.2 million -16600 or is it 800k -16600 always on and not joining free league right and that means they are below 20.
Are they bots or the company made bots ?
I made a guild there and i could hardly find any real players sticking on after level 60ish.
May be many are trying the game out but not many persistent real players. If the game would have been that popular and good and flawless i would have been not writing harshness in my critical writings. There is a show off i guess.
And please there is no way to advertise and market a game and then also go on and on making Mmorpg.com accounts and spam a topic in the games side. Please be logical as i have been writing here since i have forgotten. My old account is with the USA address and i do not use it that much nowadays. Please guys stop this extra Atlantica Online advertisement and give good fun times to your existing players or they will also go away from this game like me.
Time will tell and the game will tell but as off now i do not buy this 2.2 million crap.
The game world needs to be open to the real players and out of the clutches of the in -game support people is what i would suggest but then again i have already quit so hardly any difference for me as such .
This is a basic fault that needs to be fixed as soon as possible as this is the core of this game.
The game is dependent on time. Each turn takes 30secs. So if you lag you will miss turns either against monsters or against opponents in free league. The game has many battle speeds and I have found that the same toon and the same opponents difficulty level rises or falls in free leagues with different battle speeds and thus I think the game is a bit dependent on the internet speed when it comes to free league
The limited time actualy in laag do not allow you to take the turns or in laag it does not allow you to take all the turns and thus you miss turns. If you shout the problem out in free league then people may answer all your other characters were stunned. You can make the same logic against monsters too. But my explanation is we have a faulty system released as a game which do not work when it laags and thus this error if not fixed and i do not know if slowing the game more will fix it, will eventually kill the game.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
Turn-based is the way to go! I think one more thing that some games are turn-based is because they promote strategy and not just like the others where you hack and slash. That is very tiring for me.
Why are you having issues with the timer? I think it is not too long and not too short. Just okay. If you make it too long then it would really be pretty easy to decide and strategizing will not be maximized.
Its like you are clicking and the turn is implemented late sometimes but the timer runs in my client side. So in a way what should be really the case is the timer should run in the server side when the click is not executing a turn in laag. Now going by this if you are loosing turns then the timer is running at its own pace in the client side while the server is lagged or the internet which makes you miss turns.
In free league however i have not tested it but i have found i win more against same opponent under medium speed than under fast speed. I am just stating my observations here not anything at all that i have not observed.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .