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An Unbiased opinion please
jeffg316
Member Posts: 48
I am trying to figure out what to play. WoW or Warhammer.
I just got done with a 10 day trial and liked WoW, but heard PvP sux on wow.
I have heard pvp is good on warhammer. How is the PVE experience?
Is it worth it to pay the 45 for Warhammer without out trying it out? How popular are the servers?
What are the Highpoints and lowpoints of warhammer?
Remember an unbiased opinion. I don't want the war or wow fanbois to come out and explain.
I recently retired from CoX and am looking for something to kill my time til SW:TOR comes out.
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, Eve Online, DCUO, Rift
Playing: SW:TOR
Comments
Definitly WoW.
Mythic has to make some changes before the game start to be fun for the majority of players.
Since you just tried WoW I would say stick with that. It is the best game out there right now, which is a sad statement regarding the genre. Most people are not playing it because we are sick of it and want something new and better.
WAR is good for RVR/PVP but overall the game is lacking and sounds like it will go the way of most pvp games where it will do ok until the next latest and greatest comes out and then it will only keep a couple hundred thousand hardcore fans.
Another good game to consider is Lord of the Rings for the pve aspect.
Cool. But I need some PvP. That is why I was asking. I don't want just great pve experience, but a pvp experience as well.
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, Eve Online, DCUO, Rift
Playing: SW:TOR
You and eleven other million players think its best how arrogant can you be to say its best game?
Becouse 6billion people say thats what you have to believe in then its the truth?
Its by far not best game its by far most popular game for those who like themepark, with all the game fun they seek good for you but you can never say its best game.
Granted your free to say that offcorse but a copy of copy of copy of a copy can hardly be best game out there.
And im sure many who play different games dont agree with you and say there is best and thats where its false.
Its your personal taste and best game for you well keep playing it and have fun hehe.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
lineage2 have decent pvp and they have chanced the grind alot with faster lvling.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
WoW is not the "best game out there right now" between the two (WoW and WAR) WoW is probably the better choice.
It all depends on the taste of the player and the OP didn't tell us anything about his preferences only to choose what game to play, for him.
Play EVE OP, forget that cartoon junk.
From one CoX player to another you will probably find both WoW and WAR simplistic and base with a very low quality community.
At the moment PvP is just happening in scenarios in WAR, which is the same as WoW Battlegrounds.
WAR hypotetically has better PvP (in form of RvR), but Mythic made the game so that people don't bother with open field RvR and they play only scenarios.
Also PvE in WAR is very limited at the moment.
So if you want to have fun now, play WoW, WAR needs some work before t is fit to purpose.
You want PVP, then you really need to play FPS games.
What do you like about PVP? How do you know that WOW won't meet your likes?
You won't get an unbiased opinion here.
Warhammer is better than WoW in every PvP and PvE aspects. WoW is an old ugly wh*re putting lipstick to attract naive clients from afar, but when you know her better, yuck!
No crap! Every one on here is opionated. I have played both WoW and War, and in no way would I go back to WoW. it is a solid game no doubt, but it is a bit . . well read else where for that. I will give you a vote for War. It had a solid release, the PVP/RVR is fun and engaging, it does not have the content/polish of a 4 year old game, but I have not run into any problems finding something to do in it, Open RvR, PQs, PVE, Scenarios, they are all fun. In fact I have not had this much fun since SB, and I have played most MMOs out there. But to each there own. WoW has content and Polish, it is also looking dated, and is the cookie cutter, if it was fun in an mmo it is in WoW but easier, and sometime less engaging. War is new, thus does not have the huge library of content (athough it does have a huge IP to pull from), is not the prettist like AoC, and in some regions you might have a hard time doing certian PQs (this is because the Population is busy killing each other) I love the fact that even though I am higher level I can still hop in and do something with my character in a short amount of time.
Still not sure, there are a host of trials out there, and War will have one up soon too I am sure. War is fun WoW is fun. I maybe alone , but I have had way more fun in War than WoW.
Oh last number I heard for WoW 11 mil
Last number for War 750k
WoW is definitely the more established game, and they are making changes to the PvP with the Lake Wintergrasp zone in the upcoming expansion. I'm personally very interested to see how this will play out as I've heard only good things from the Beta.
I haven't played WAR personally but I get the impression that it's generally percieved as a pretty good game but let down by a few bugs here and there. There's also the balance/population issues that keep popping up in every other thread.
Play WAR
Play the free WoW trial period
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WAR PvP, in its current state is not better than WoW. In fact, there seems to be less balance between factions.
The PvE game of WoW is miles ahead.
This is unbiased. I currently play neither. War bored the hell out of me within a month and WoW became intolerable in the mind-numbing repetitive raiding end game.
Neither is any sort of challenge whatsoever.
1. You can can go to a full PvP server.
2. There are many other forms of PvP other than arena and the and Battle Grounds. Guild raids against opposing factions, Flag youself and you'll get some action. You dont have some of the equipment loss as you do in full loot PvP but it can still be fun.
Like the earlier poster said...those of us that have quit, have quit because of wanting something new and different...better would be nice too
All-in-all WoW is a good game...smooth, though cartoonish, graphics and plenty of options in developing your toons.
Mik
I've seen things, you...people, wouldn't believe... . Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion... . I watched C-Beams, glitter in the darkness near the Tannhauser Gate... . All those...moments will be lost in time... . Like...tears...in the rain...
Time to die.....
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Blade Runner
It's true, most of the PvP in WAR right now is in the scenarios, but there's always the possiblity that will change and there will be more open world RvR later.
I'd say pick the one with the graphics you like best. I prefer the WAR graphics, but some people like the WoW graphic style.
I'm not totally unbias but I'll try and give the pros and cons of each
WoW has a very large loot system and your PvE experience will 99% in instances or fighting an instance like boss outdoors. In order to "raid" said instances it will usually require you to schedule yourself time each week to dedicate to playing and that you have near the best gear from non-raid instances. Raids are linear and require that you and all your group mates know what to do, act together, are geared up enough to defeat whatever you're fighting, and have the right group make-up. The non-raid instances are basically what you get your primer gear for raid instaces. The loot and instance system is fairly linear and so you will be going from tier to tier to tier. Normally raids do the lower tiers to keep getting geared up because they've mastered them. Most guilds have a point system for allocation called DKP which you earn by each instance you do with them and that's what determines what loot you get. If you're new you can count on getting whatever anyone else doesn't want or waiting a long time to get the very good items. Leveling is usually just doing every quest and grinding until I reach the top to do everything else. Also, this is all intended for groups and there is no solo content in WoW other than farming materials which you mainly use for groups.
WoW's PvP is really unique. If you're looking for arena battles and winning it will usually require that you're a certain spec, in a certain group make-up, and already have good gear. If you don't have good gear then you can look forward to dying over and over and over for several months until you can get free points to buy some decent arena gear. Battlegrounds, unless you have a preorganized group of friends that are good players, will be a toss-up. If you get a lot of good people you just mow down the enemies with little effort or vice versa. I found them to be pretty fun but they do get old after a while but there is gear that you get by doing them which you need in order to advance in pvp. Openworld PvP is non-existant, there used to be a lot of it way back when the game first came out but it's pretty dead. Even if you play on a PvP server there doesn't tend to be much actual pvp. If you're leveling up you can count of just being killed a few dozen times by higher level players. If you've reached max level there isn't much incentive to do open world pvp because there are better ways to get better items which is why most people stay away. So with WoW you will be doing instanced PvP the majority of time as well.
Warhammer's PvE is very linear but there are a few twists. It has a bit of the grinding and doing every quest until I reach the top but the PvP kind of interacts with that. The party system allows to click a button and see what open groups are in your area and so if there are public quests available you can find somewhere to go to. Public Quests are very short 3 stage PvE events that usually require a group of 3-6 or more to complete. The first stage you should be able to solo with any class regardless of the PQ and it will help you build influence there which gets you some loot for that area. Each PQ if you complete it will drop a chest with some more loot in it and whether you get some or not depends on how well you did in the PQ. There are instances in the game but I've only tried one instance zone and we didn't get far so I really don't know about them. That pretty much sums up Warhammer's PvE.
PvP in Warhammer is based around capturing enemy keeps, doing scenarios, and random run-ins with enemy players. Level isn't important with Warhammer PvP because you're autoleveled to a minimum level for an area to keep everything somewhat fair. Gear doesn't play as big of roll as it does in WoW so even though you may or may not have awesome gear you can probably compete and have a good chance of winning regardless. All of their scenarios have a time limit cap of 15 minutes so they're something you can do in bite sized chunks. If you only have 30 minutes before you go to work you can hop on and play a little bit. The keep takes require you bash an enemys keep outer wall door, then their inner door to the actual keep, then assault and kill their keep lord (keep lord and his guards are NPCs). It varies in difficulty and fun depending on if anyone is defending or how big your group is and if they know what to do. Hmm, that's a brief overview of each.
My opinion - Warhammer is the best for PvP and PvE is just filler for inbetween when you do PvP and will net you some nice rewards.
WoW has a lot more to do PvE wise but it all depends on how much you like PvE instancing and all of the open world PvE just like Warhammer is obsolete once you've been through it once (except Warhammer has PQs so you may need to do it more than once). I didn't like PvP in WoW because you're type-cast into a specific spec to be able to compete. I didn't like PvE instancing because after a couple years of dedicating my schedule to running instances at a set time it got old.
God did not create from the the foot of man to slave her, he did not create women from the mind of man to control her but he created women from the rib of man because it is closest to his heart.
WoW's PvP is superior unless you define PvP as meaningless zerg vs meaningless zerg(Sorry guys, but for me, consquences, severe penalties and complex group abilties are a must for zerg MMOs otherwise the MMO will become boring after a few weeks. Drama and politics prevents this better than you think).
@Ihmotepp: Fan art!=actual game graphics.
Wait for the new WOW expansion and then buy it.
I actually suggest on trying Atlantica Online. It's F2P so the only thing you lose is time. It's a more unique experience than some other turn based MMOs.
If you insist on WoW or Warhammer though it's a pretty tough call. WoW is mostly PvE with a hint of PvP and Warhammer is the opposite. It all depends which you want more of because no game currently out there is great in both fields.
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I only played WOW a very brief time, it just wasnt my kind of game. WAR is just not ready, its approximately half a year or more from completition. The only reason to play WAR would be if you had played WOW long enough and are fed up with it.
You need a long time until TOR comes out, and I am sure neither WOW nor WAR can fill that gap. The current state of MMOs is quite bad. If you are not too demanding in terms of "making your MMO a second home" like I do, you may find WOW entertaining enough. Its a proven thing, it seems; might be a bit under-complex tho, depending on your appetite.
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It's pretty much...
WoW PvP = 40% gear, 10-40% spec(if arena not matters), 10% skill, 10-40% group makeup (if arena or not matters).
Warhammer = 20% gear, 20% spec, 30% skill, 30% group makeup
This is a made up statistic but I've played WoW since open beta and this what I've experienced. In Warcraft you can really spend time and energy to get great gear then it absolutely trumps skill. I'm not saying that as negative but WoW is a largely gear based game and gear is the most important thing and more important than skill. I know because I got to be one of those well geared up players that used to farm battlegrounds all of the time. We'd win probably 200 battlegrounds and lose 3. So it rarely comes down to skill of the players. Arena is purely based on group make-up, spec, and gear and very little else matters and that is the large pvp appeal to people. If you have great gear and good group make up then pvp becomes farming and is no longer a challenge and regardless of whether you're good or not.
Warhammer is a bit more tactical because a players spec and gear doesn't matter as much. It still matters but just not as much as in WoW which makes Warhammer more skill/group oriented. I haven't been in a circumstance where I really though the other side was so unfairly overpowered or that we were so overpowered that it wasn't a challenge. Sometimes it would seen like we were going to get an easy win and then everything would turn upside down in a heartbeat.
If you have a lot of time to dedicate to PvP or care about PvE more then WoW could definite be a blast for you. I would recommend waiting until the expansion to start though. If you start pvping 6 months later after the expansion you can count on dying pretty quick until you're geared up. Most of the content will require you spend a large amount of your week and will need to schedule your life around the game. PvE instances usually last several hours, battlegrounds depending on how you're doing 5-45minutes (5 minutes if your group is a premade, geared up, knows what they're doing and vs a pug or crappy pre made), and raids... well...if you run with people that don't have the raid instance down tight sometimes guilds will spend 25+ hours a week in them.
If you don't have the time to dedicate to playing PvP consistently everyday or spend a huge chunk of time gearing up enough to become competitive I would go with Warhammer. If you're more concerned more with PvP than PvE than I would definitely recommend Warhammer. Warhammer has about 5 times the amount of PvP content and has a lot of content you can do in bite sized chunks such as 15-30 minutes here or there.
God did not create from the the foot of man to slave her, he did not create women from the mind of man to control her but he created women from the rib of man because it is closest to his heart.
If you're ok levelling to the end before you pvp then WoW- you have twinkgrounds prior to that- people who have maybe been in that bracket 1-2 years and equipped themselves to the max.
You retired your CoX?
You retired your CoX?
Yeah. I might go back when like I15 comes out. But the next two issues really haven't grabbed my attention. and they kinda messed the pvp up a little. But over all, the next two issues are really not appealing to me.
Anyways, I talked to a couple guys at work here and I am gonna roll with WoW for a little bit. Prolly won't stay on too long. But am gonna give it a try. Thanks for all the advice.
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, Eve Online, DCUO, Rift
Playing: SW:TOR